On Sep 13, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:
I recently looked through a (not yet published) costume book of one
of my friends which tells about clothing in the western Europe
around the 13th and 14th centuries. It is divided into chapters,
each for one specific garment (like
On Sep 13, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Schaeffer, Astrida wrote:
As it happens I'm working on a book too, only pesky life keeps
getting in the way of completion. Sigh.
Anyway, I -DID- run across a rape trial account where the man was
convicted because he'd had to pull the girl's braies down
February. Du Berry Hours
http://www.christusrex.org/www2/berry/DB-f2v.jpg
http://www.christusrex.org/www2/berry/DB-f2v-d3l.jpg
But the man next to the woman not wearing any underwear isn't wearing any
either, so does that support men not wearing brais?
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Greetings!
Heather: In addition to the battle-for-the-pants genre, there are other images
commonly circulated in the historic costuming community as evidence
for medieval women wearing underpants that -- when examined more
closely -- are using the underpants as a symbol or representation of
women
I'd say that it wouldn't be very surprising if a man didn't always wear braies,
if he had a long tunic on. The Scottish, as far as I know, didn't wear any as
well. But I remember I recently read a text where someone criticized the
Scottish for having no braies - he regarded it a sort of a
On Sep 14, 2007, at 4:03 AM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:
It is surely interesting to think logically about such a problem,
but, just as you say, we can never rely on it, and, as we all know,
people didn't always act very logically and didn't choose the most
comfortable garments they could.
Anyway, I -DID- run across a rape trial account where the man was
convicted because he'd had to pull the girl's braies down before he
could do the deed. Had there been no braies, her status as
an innocent
in the proceedings would have been in question.
I'd be very interested in more
Anyone who thinks that people wear clothing for comfort and practicality
should contemplate the wearing of pantihose.
Janet
It is surely interesting to think logically about such a problem, but,
just as you say, we can never rely on it, and, as we all know, people
didn't always act very
And there you go-- this is so totally subjective. I don't mind pantyhose
at all (except on really hot days).
Astrida
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The Art Gallery
University of New Hampshire
Paul Creative Arts Center
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(603) 862-0310
Funny thing is I've met a couple of gentlemen who swear up and down that
pantyhose are the most comfortable things they've ever worn!
Laurie
From: JAMES OGILVIE [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion
Date:
For those of us who came of age wearing stockings and either a garter belt or
girdle to keep them up, believe me, pantihose were a GREAT invention.
Ann Wass
Anyone who thinks that people wear clothing for comfort and practicality should
contemplate the wearing of pantihose.?
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On Sep 14, 2007, at 6:06 AM, Melanie Schuessler wrote:
On Sep 14, 2007, at 4:03 AM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:
It is surely interesting to think logically about such a problem,
but, just as you say, we can never rely on it, and, as we all
know, people didn't always act very logically and
otsisto wrote:
February. Du Berry Hours
http://www.christusrex.org/www2/berry/DB-f2v.jpg
http://www.christusrex.org/www2/berry/DB-f2v-d3l.jpg
But the man next to the woman not wearing any underwear isn't wearing any
either, so does that support men not wearing brais?
I'm going to have to go
Oops, sorry, I forgot-- the rape trial was in 1337 in Paris...
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Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director
The Art Gallery
University of New Hampshire
Paul Creative Arts Center
30 College Road
Durham, NH 03824
(603) 862-0310
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fax: (603) 862-2191
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In a message dated 9/14/2007 11:31:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anyone who thinks that people wear clothing for comfort and practicality
should contemplate the wearing of pantihose.
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You would prefer stockings and a garter belt?
Astrida: Là, en un selier, fist entrer, oultre son gré et par force, ladicte
Perrete la Souplice, et la
jeta à terre, et avala ses braies, et se mist sus lui, et s'efforça contre sa
nature tant
comme il pot...
(Tanon, 88)
Have you ever thought that et avala ses braies might also mean his, not
I understand the there is no evidence one way or the other about women
wearing underpants in pre-16th century Europe.
but what about during their menses?
I haven't done any research, but I would speculate that they would need to wrap
or tie something around them in order to keep the linen pads
Tori Ruhl wrote:
I understand the there is no evidence one way or the other about women
wearing underpants in pre-16th century Europe.
but what about during their menses?
I haven't done any research, but I would speculate that they would need to wrap or tie something around them in order to
http://web.archive.org/web/20070517100921/http://www.tudor-portraits.com/
I can find it with the Way Back Machine
Sarah Paterson
- Original Message -
Greetings,
Does anyone know what happened to the Tudor and Elizabethan Portraits
website? (http://www.tudor-portraits.com/) For
I do not wish to imply that all women in all
European cultures in all times wore some sort of
pants under their dresses, but do wish to point
out a few items still existing that no one has mentioned
The leather bikinis (late Roman time period)
found in London and on display at the Museum of
On 9/14/07, Tori Ruhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I understand the there is no evidence one way or the other about women
wearing underpants in pre-16th century Europe.
but what about during their menses?
They wore them in 15th c. Spain per The Hispanic Costume Book
1480-1530. They adopted them
Oooh, neat! Is this a permanent archive or a temporary one?
Thanks,
Melanie
On Sep 14, 2007, at 4:37 PM, SPaterson wrote:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070517100921/http://www.tudor-
portraits.com/
I can find it with the Way Back Machine
Sarah Paterson
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On Sep 14, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote:
The Frauenhose von Dätgen, Kr. Rendsburg. Abb. 184-190 (text
pp78-79) published in
Schlabow, Karl. Textilfunde der Eisenzeit in Norddeutschland.
Gottinger Schriften zur Vor- und Frugeschichte, Bd. 15. Neumunster:
K. Wachholtz,
I actually don't know how long it will be up through that archive - you may
want to consider saving any images you may need to disc...but it is a great
tool for old or defunct sites.
Sarah
- Original Message -
Oooh, neat! Is this a permanent archive or a temporary one?
Thanks,
Well, there was an email link on the page via the Way Back Machine. I've
emailed the site owner; so far it hasn't bounced back, so hopefully,
we'll soon have an answer as to whether it's gone or has just been moved.
kate
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From: SPaterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:
Oh, thanks! I'll be very interested to hear what they say.
Much obliged,
Melanie
On Sep 14, 2007, at 9:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, there was an email link on the page via the Way Back Machine.
I've
emailed the site owner; so far it hasn't bounced back, so hopefully,
we'll soon
On Sep 14, 2007, at 1:41 PM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote:
I do not wish to imply that all women in all European cultures in
all times wore some sort of pants under their dresses, but do wish
to point out a few items still existing that no one has mentioned
The leather bikinis (late Roman
On Sep 14, 2007, at 1:03 AM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:
Heather: In addition to the battle-for-the-pants genre, there are
other images
commonly circulated in the historic costuming community as evidence
for medieval women wearing underpants that -- when examined more
closely -- are using the
I haven't worn panyhose in years. I never could find them long enough for
my legs. When I do wear hose, I purchase thigh-highs with the elasticized
tops. But I only wear hose for warmth in the winter. If it is really cold
or snowstorms, I will put on legwarmers. Since my 30s, I have a
JAMES OGILVIE wrote:
Anyone who thinks that people wear clothing for comfort and
practicality should contemplate the wearing of pantihose.
OK, I thought about it. I don't wear them because they're uncomfortable
and impractical ;-)
--
Adele de Maisieres
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Tori Ruhl wrote:
I understand the there is no evidence one way or the other about women
wearing underpants in pre-16th century Europe.
but what about during their menses?
I haven't done any research, but I would speculate that they would need to wrap or tie something around them in order to
Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:
Astrida: Là, en un selier, fist entrer, oultre son gré et par force, ladicte
Perrete la Souplice, et la
jeta à terre, et avala ses braies, et se mist sus lui, et s'efforça contre sa
nature tant
comme il pot...
(Tanon, 88)
Have you ever thought that et avala ses braies
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