Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions
The one I
need to make should replicate the ruff in the portrait
of Martin Frobisher found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Frobisher
Where's the portrait? I couldn't find it on the wiki page.
CarolynKayta Barrows
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RE: [h-cost] curtains
Cost Plus has nice cotton curtains. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 7:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains In a message dated 4/9/2006 8:23:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a great idea! Restoration Hardware and Pier One both had really nice Indian cotton panels a few years ago--sheer with a heavier thread woven in. Four 84 panels were plenty for a Regency dress. They don't seem to carry them any more. Got a set from Target last year--they are okay, but not as good a quality as the others (of course, they were a lot cheaper, too). But I guess quality varied significantly during the era, too. Didn't Jane Austen complain in one of her letters that if you buy the cheap muslin, it falls apart in washing? Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] curtains
Kathleen wrote: What a great idea! I am always having trouble finding cotton shear enough! Dharma carries the right weight, but only in sarongs (72 lengths). Their other cottons are quite wonderful, but heavier than one needs for a nice Regency. Have gotten a sample of their cotton lawn? It is not quite sheer enough to read through, but it isn't far off. -Katie -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains
A few years ago when I needed a mermaid costume, I looked at my bedroom curtains, which needed replacing anyway, and had a Scarlett O'Hara moment. The fabric was blue with a fan shape pattern, which when turned upside down created a perfect fishscale motif. It became a very effective fish tail skirt Katy On 4/9/06, Susan Data-Samtak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend had red curtains that were beginning to fade from the sun. She replaced them but couldn't part with the fabric. Opportunity knocked. She made a Wooden Soldier Costume for a Christmas Parade from them. As one of our members says-Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness Carol H. Susan On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:45 AM, Jayne Thomas wrote: Hi! Dawn I will put my hand up and admit that I am the same! I have even bought a pair of second hand curtains to make into an Elizabethan costume - I had little to spend on fabric, as Christmas was coming up. The same costume had what was a luxury bedding sheet as the skirt contrast! I have a pair of red velvet curtains in my lounge which I am dying to cut up, but I won't as it belonged to my late Grandmother, though every so often when I open them, I imagine the Elizabethan I could make! All the best Jayne - Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re:Curtains
My theatre studies exam costume was made out of two pairs of curtains from a charity shop. Brown velvet and yellow brocade. Cost three pounds a pair. (Got extra marks for being 'cost aware'). Debbie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Dress
Jame: When I did the Eleanor of Toledo dress in Janet Arnold for myself, I doubled the size of the pattern to 1/4 scale first. I only dress dolls, so this was a big project for me. Then I went to my fabric store, checked all the costumes to find one or more patterns with pattern piece(s) close to the Hunnisett diagrams. I then fitted the bodice pieces of the two commercial patterns to me and then using the Hunnisett diagrams as guide, altered and recut them using sew in interfacing(lies much nicer on fabric than the commerical tissue paper. In some cases, using commercial pattern pieces for fit, allowed me to keep some of the grainlines and notches/balance marks. You may have some luck in enlarging the Hunisett bodice diagram which is already larger than the usual 1/8=1 to roughly fit your daughter. I would put your daughter in all undergarments she is to wear first. However I did cheat on the Eleanor of Toledo dress(which I'm going to alter to make more accurate). Because our Nebraska/Iowa Renfaires can be hot and steamy and subject to sudden downpours, I built the Elizabethan corset right into the bodice. The original dress laces on the side backs, so this allows me to loosen/tighten the fit for weather and weight loss/gain. You could alter the 1569 dress bodice to allow for this. I worked all the eyelets by hand using large jewerly jump rings on either side of each hole made with an awl and covering rings and reinforcing each hole with a button hole stitch. Time consuming but worth it. But since your daughter is a growing girl, metal eyelets would work. Also put grow tucks in the skirt, and pleat it to the waistband deeply enough to allow for horizontal growth. Make the bodice separate and alter the shoulder straps so they can be extended for growth, if you wish. Elizabethan clothes are great as they were designed to be in pieces to mix and match. I hope this is a rewarding project for you both! Your daughter in bound to become quite a little expert in knowing how many pieces of clothing children way back when had to wear! Cindy Abel Hi! I would like to make the 1569 Elizabethan dress (or something near as possible!) that is illustrated on page 63 (the one in the middle of the group) of 'Patterns for Women's Dress 1500-1800 for my nearly four year daughter. Yes, I'm being very ambitious here! The thing is, how would scale the pattern (on page 68 onwards) to fit her? Am I being a bit too ambitious?! All the best! Jayne - To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions
Should be right on that page on the righthand side.
He's wearing a buttery tan outfit. If for some reason
it still doesn't come up you could try the Google
image search. It is the only full length portrait of
him.
Rebecca
--- Carolyn Kayta Barrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The one I
need to make should replicate the ruff in the
portrait
of Martin Frobisher found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Frobisher
Where's the portrait? I couldn't find it on the
wiki page.
CarolynKayta Barrows
dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian
www.FunStuft.com
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[h-cost] Dharma Trading wants fabric suggestions!
Here's our chance, folks, to help Dharma Trading carry some really costume-worthy fabrics! Michelle Expanding Our Fabric Collection Attention fabric lovers! We are continuing to expand our selection of fabrics aiming for a 'plethora' of fabrics instead of our current 'lots and lots'. To that end, we are asking you, our most valued and esteemed customers (who are also very intelligent and shockingly good looking, by the way) to weigh in on what new fabrics you would like to see us add. Wool fabrics? Bamboo fabrics? Fabrics woven from the back hair of a yeti, perhaps? Whatever! Please send any suggestions to the following e-mail address and we will consider all your ideas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions
Should be right on that page on the righthand side.
He's wearing a buttery tan outfit. If for some reason
it still doesn't come up you could try the Google
image search. It is the only full length portrait of
him.
With a gun in his hand, right? I've seen the portrait, but couldn't get to
it by the wiki page.
Conventional wisdom says to knife pleat the ruff material then like
cartridge pleat it to the neck band piece. This produces a mill wheel
ruff, like the ones in the 16th century and painted by folks like Reubens,
but does not produce a ruff like Frobisher wears.
The best example of Frobisher's kind of ruff is found in portraits of Mary,
Queen of Scots. In some of these you can see the same ruff from the side
as well as from straight on to the edge, since the shirt with the ruff on
it is worn open at the neck. These Mary portraits show the ruff material
gathered super-tightly at the inner edges and coaxed into the shape we
recognize at the outer edges. The inner edge of these ruffs is narrow, and
you can see this inner-edge narrowness in some other portraits showing
ruff-wearers. Compare this inner-edge narrowness with the inner-edge
thickness of the later ruffs and you'll see what I mean.
Compare also the way the artist paints the inside of the pleats of the
ruff. In the earlier ones the insides scrunch up to nothing, while in the
later ones the insides make flat vertical pleats.
Compare also the angle at which the two kinds of ruff sit relative to the
body, especially at the wrists. The mill-wheel kinds sit perpendicular
to their nearest body part, while the earlier ones sit at an angle to them.
Try the two methods out in sample pieces and compare them. Also remember
that these ruffs were held stiff as cardboard by the use of starch.
CarolynKayta Barrows
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[h-cost] Re: Wool Disaster!!
Hi. I had some luck with stretching out a wool knit sweater that had inadvertently gone through the washer and dryer. Put it in a bath of warm salt water, then stretch it out as best you can. Once it's stretched, block it and let it dry. When you're stretching it, remember to stretch for width as well as length. If you can find something suitable, put some sort of stretcher (tubular) in the sleeves so they get back their width during the stretch. Good luck! --Leslie Message: 7 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:10:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Galadriel Lothlorien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Wool Disaster!! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 A cashmere(?) knit, silk-lined Valentino coat was brought into my shop today. A very sweet old lady's maid had tried to wash it for her. Suffice it to say, the coat is now 15 shorter than the lining!! It hasn't been dried, and is still damp. ANYONE have any suggestions? We were thinking of keeping it wet and trying to stretch it out as best we can using some weights (chain?). Obviously the garment is a loss if it doesn't work so we're welcome to try any method at all to make it any better... because we can't make it much worse! I'm just not sure if the fact that it's knit makes it any more possible to save. Thanks, --Rachel Leslie Mundy, DCC Office Hours: M-W-F Noon-5:00 John Carter Brown Library, Box 1894, Brown University Providence, RI Just think... Somewhere a butterfly, dreaming that it is Chuang Chou, flutters its wings and creates a distant hurricane. http://NewMoon2000.tripod.com/oneway/indexnavigator.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions
Is that the ruff with the inner layer and outter layer? We had a discussion some time ago about how to make that special ruff. We all came to the conclusion that it took at least 3 layers of fabric. 2 lighter weight outer layers and 1 thinker inner layer. Make the usual ruff, then mold the lighter weight outer layers inward to form the details inside the larger ruff loops. Pulling the lighter weight fabric edge to the center created the small heart shaped deep-inside loops. That is as best I can describe how to do it... if that is the same ruff we talked about earlier. - Original Message - From: REBECCA BURCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions Should be right on that page on the righthand side. He's wearing a buttery tan outfit. If for some reason it still doesn't come up you could try the Google image search. It is the only full length portrait of him. Rebecca --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one I need to make should replicate the ruff in the portrait of Martin Frobisher found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Frobisher Where's the portrait? I couldn't find it on the wiki page. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\ -@@\\\ 7 ))) )(( ))( * ) ( * /\ /---\ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions
It's here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Martin_Frobisher_by_Ketel.jpg When the page came up, there was no image, but there was a link. kate - Original Message - From: REBECCA BURCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions Should be right on that page on the righthand side. He's wearing a buttery tan outfit. If for some reason it still doesn't come up you could try the Google image search. It is the only full length portrait of him. Rebecca --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one I need to make should replicate the ruff in the portrait of Martin Frobisher found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Frobisher Where's the portrait? I couldn't find it on the wiki page. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\ -@@\\\ 7 ))) )(( ))( * ) ( * /\ /---\ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Welt pocket wonders
If you have ever been intimidated by making welt pockets, Threads issue 122 has a solution. I have tried many welt pocket techniques over the years, and this works beautifully. It uses a silk organza facing and fabric glue (yes). Try it, you'll like it! It completely takes the mystery and challenge away! Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] need roommate for Hartford Symposium
I will need someone to share a room. I will be there from May30, 31, June 1, 2. Please contact me if you have any leads. Thank you, Sue Shatto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 401 Fairview Ave. Frederick, MD 21701 www.victorianmillinery.com 301-694-8950 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress
Recently we costumed for the play A Little Princess. One of the characters is a young girl with a bit of a weight problem. She was superbly portrayed by a rather thin young girl. We stuffed a bodystocking with fiberfill at first during rehearsals but it was so hot she nearly passed out and became very flushed. So we tried having her wear three cotton teeshirts but that didn't work too well either. We finally just used the fiberfill stuffed her blouse, a fitted Victorian high-collared style, after she put it on to fill out the necessary areas. That didn't work really either, because after every scene we had to readjust the fiberfill because it kept shifting even falling out below the skirt. She left puff-bunnies all over backstage but fortunately none fell out on stage --although in one of the final scenes she suddenly developed a hernia on her left side. Please --we may do this play again for the lower schools. Can anyone give us any ideas on making a Mrs. Doubtfire-type removable bodyshape suit on a low budget that won't cause the young actress to expire with heat? Thanks for any all suggestions. Blessings, Susannah - Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Ruff directions
For a ruff that looks ok, but isn't made period, cartridge pleat grosgrain ribbon onto a flat neckband. The ribbon is stiff enough to hold shape. You may have to stitch the points where each loop touches another. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carolyn Kayta Barrows Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:35 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions Should be right on that page on the righthand side. He's wearing a buttery tan outfit. If for some reason it still doesn't come up you could try the Google image search. It is the only full length portrait of him. With a gun in his hand, right? I've seen the portrait, but couldn't get to it by the wiki page. Conventional wisdom says to knife pleat the ruff material then like cartridge pleat it to the neck band piece. This produces a mill wheel ruff, like the ones in the 16th century and painted by folks like Reubens, but does not produce a ruff like Frobisher wears. The best example of Frobisher's kind of ruff is found in portraits of Mary, Queen of Scots. In some of these you can see the same ruff from the side as well as from straight on to the edge, since the shirt with the ruff on it is worn open at the neck. These Mary portraits show the ruff material gathered super-tightly at the inner edges and coaxed into the shape we recognize at the outer edges. The inner edge of these ruffs is narrow, and you can see this inner-edge narrowness in some other portraits showing ruff-wearers. Compare this inner-edge narrowness with the inner-edge thickness of the later ruffs and you'll see what I mean. Compare also the way the artist paints the inside of the pleats of the ruff. In the earlier ones the insides scrunch up to nothing, while in the later ones the insides make flat vertical pleats. Compare also the angle at which the two kinds of ruff sit relative to the body, especially at the wrists. The mill-wheel kinds sit perpendicular to their nearest body part, while the earlier ones sit at an angle to them. Try the two methods out in sample pieces and compare them. Also remember that these ruffs were held stiff as cardboard by the use of starch. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\ -@@\\\ 7 ))) )(( ))( * ) ( * /\ /---\ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress
Recently we costumed for the play A Little Princess. One of the characters is a young girl with a bit of a weight problem. She was superbly portrayed by a rather thin young girl. We stuffed a bodystocking with fiberfill at first during rehearsals but it was so hot she nearly passed out and became very flushed. So we tried having her wear three cotton teeshirts but that didn't work too well either. We finally just used the fiberfill stuffed her blouse, a fitted Victorian high-collared style, after she put it on to fill out the necessary areas. That didn't work really either, because after every scene we had to readjust the fiberfill because it kept shifting even falling out below the skirt. She left puff-bunnies all over backstage but fortunately none fell out on stage --although in one of the final scenes she suddenly developed a hernia on her left side. Please --we may do this play again for the lower schools. Can anyone give us any ideas on making a Mrs. Doubtfire-type removable bodyshape suit on a low budget that won't cause the young actress to expire with heat? Thanks for any all suggestions. Blessings, Susannah - Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume www.RenaissanceFabrics.net Everything for the Costumer Become the change you want to see in the world. --Ghandi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions
Hi, All. For excellent ruff info, I regard Lisa Sinervo's site www.thrednedlestrete.com as being quite useful. She has done considerable research into creating a working setup for starching ruffs and has considerable knowledge as to their construction. I also know that Ninya and Jane have done so much work in the area that they would also be a great source for info. Between the two, I don't think you can go wrong...Cheers, Mike T. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress
This is a tough one, but maybe cotton batting would work better because cotton breathes, polyester does not. If you build your shape using a cotton T-shirt as a base, layering your batting,to get the proper shape, it won't shift much and you can make it look very realistic. It will be flexible, also. Then tack all the together with large running stitches through all the layers. Then put another (larger ) T shirt over all the layers . tack again, and also stitch around arms, hem, neck to keep everything closed-- and you have a 1 piece garment that she can put on over her head. You could also split the back and add ties or hooks or velcro for closures... Just a thought. Monica Spence -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Diana Habra Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress Recently we costumed for the play A Little Princess. One of the characters is a young girl with a bit of a weight problem. She was superbly portrayed by a rather thin young girl. We stuffed a bodystocking with fiberfill at first during rehearsals but it was so hot she nearly passed out and became very flushed. So we tried having her wear three cotton teeshirts but that didn't work too well either. We finally just used the fiberfill stuffed her blouse, a fitted Victorian high-collared style, after she put it on to fill out the necessary areas. That didn't work really either, because after every scene we had to readjust the fiberfill because it kept shifting even falling out below the skirt. She left puff-bunnies all over backstage but fortunately none fell out on stage --although in one of the final scenes she suddenly developed a hernia on her left side. Please --we may do this play again for the lower schools. Can anyone give us any ideas on making a Mrs. Doubtfire-type removable bodyshape suit on a low budget that won't cause the young actress to expire with heat? Thanks for any all suggestions. Blessings, Susannah - Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume www.RenaissanceFabrics.net Everything for the Costumer Become the change you want to see in the world. --Ghandi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] curtains
Kathleen wrote: Bought the sarong at the same time and inquired how I might get a bolt of That fabric. The response was NA. Sigh... Coincidentally, I just got an email from Dharma asking for suggestions about what new fabrics people want to see, so it might be worthwhile to email them. -Katie -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
