Re: [h-cost] Slashed skirts (was 1620 dress images?) a new question about th is...

2007-07-05 Thread Melody Watts
After looking at the drawings, I began to wonder, were the sleeves possibly made seperate from the bodice and perhaps pinned onto the chemise,level with the bodice top , to look like they were connected? I'd like to try an Italian but so many things about them I find confusing, melody Bella

[h-cost] embroidered corset

2007-07-05 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
In the book 18th century embroidery teckniques, there is a corset wich is very elaborate embroidered all over. It has shoulderstraps and laces center back. I am very keen in making a similar one, having in mind to mix it with a pink taffeta i baught in Rome. I was thinking about making the

RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images?

2007-07-05 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 02:19 05/07/2007, you wrote: more pictures http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Various_8.htm perhaps the Margo Anderson pattern might help as the hanging sleeve is a carry over from the late 1500s. De Thanks - I had all these that are relevant. I don't have time to get patterns - I have The

Was: [h-cost] 1620 dress images?; Now: Leaving the business?

2007-07-05 Thread Jennifer Byrne
Wait a second! Aside from all the interesting suggestions that people have made about sleeves, what's this about hanging up your scissors? Are you getting out of the historical costuming business? (I am sorry if you are - I have always admired your work!) If so, what is that made you decide

RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images?

2007-07-05 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 10:39 05/07/2007, you wrote: Actually I was thinking you could have a look online at the pattern. The site doesn't allow you to go directly to the pattern so, http://www.margospatterns.com/ You want the Elizabethan Lady's Wardrobe (click on it) Then scroll down to the Eight sleeve styles to

Re: Was: [h-cost] 1620 dress images?; Now: Leaving the business?

2007-07-05 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 11:14 05/07/2007, you wrote: Wait a second! Aside from all the interesting suggestions that people have made about sleeves, what's this about hanging up your scissors? Are you getting out of the historical costuming business? (I am sorry if you are - I have always admired your work!) If

Re: [h-cost] Slashed skirts (was 1620 dress images?) a new question about th is...

2007-07-05 Thread Bella
Anything is possible Melody! There are no extant Venetian gowns of the 16th century to look at, as far as I'm aware, so anything that works to get the bodice/sleeves to look like that is good, in my opinion. I love to see how people deal with design issues, and non-existant shoulder straps is

Re: [h-cost] embroidered corset

2007-07-05 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 08:58 05/07/2007, you wrote: In the book 18th century embroidery teckniques, there is a corset wich is very elaborate embroidered all over. It has shoulderstraps and laces center back. I am very keen in making a similar one, having in mind to mix it with a pink taffeta i baught in Rome. I

[h-cost] Slashed Skirts

2007-07-05 Thread Saragrace Knauf
If you ever get a chance to look at Roy Strong. The English Icon: Elizabethan and Jacobean Portraiture. London: The Paul Meloon Foundation for British Art, Routledge and Kegan Paul, 1969.There is set of portraits of two women, clearly in the same dress, which is slashed so heavily, it looks

Re: [h-cost] Slashed Skirts

2007-07-05 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 16:51 05/07/2007, you wrote: If you ever get a chance to look at Roy Strong. The English Icon: Elizabethan and Jacobean Portraiture. London: The Paul Meloon Foundation for British Art, Routledge and Kegan Paul, 1969.There is set of portraits of two women, clearly in the same dress,

RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images?

2007-07-05 Thread Anne Moeller
This is a fascinating gown. Do you know where the original picture is? I would love a really good copy. Anne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michelle Plumb Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE:

[h-cost] Costumes in Madrid?

2007-07-05 Thread Suzi Clarke
I'll be going to Madrid again in a few weeks. I plan on finishing off the third floor of the Prado, visiting the Borne-Misza Museum again and showing my DH the Palacio Real. However, I have at the back of my mind that there is a costume museum there, that I missed a couple of years ago. Does

RE: Was: [h-cost] 1620 dress images?; Now: Leaving the business?

2007-07-05 Thread Anne Moeller
I am old and tired You are NOT old!! want to spend time doing something other than working for other people - I have so many projects that I have started over the years, This I can relate to. I will take on something if it interests me, That's the best way to do projects. I am

RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images?

2007-07-05 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 19:36 05/07/2007, you wrote: This is a fascinating gown. Do you know where the original picture is? I would love a really good copy. This is now at Kenwood House, apparently, in North London. It was formerly at the Ranger's House in Blackheath, and I thought was part of the Iveagh

Re: [h-cost] 1620 dress images?

2007-07-05 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
I have seen it before, and i still think its overdone, and if you really want my oppinion, i dont like the slashing at all, what a waist of beautifull brocade... Sorry :-( I know it was very fashionable.still Bjarne - Original Message - From: Anne Moeller [EMAIL

Re: [h-cost] Costumes in Madrid?

2007-07-05 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 19:50 05/07/2007, you wrote: Dont recall the details, but its called Museo de Traje. Wished i could go with you. Rome was so borring this year, my 3rd visit, and i thoaght there would be so many other things to see, but when you have seen most of the things there, its borring to see it

Re: [h-cost] Costumes in Madrid?

2007-07-05 Thread AnnBWass
And you are in the UK, so they may not be as exciting for you, but I enjoyed the two stores that specialize in church equipment, including vestments, and a store that sells mostly flamenco costumes, including a wall of roses in every color you can think of (they do have other costumes, too).

Re: [h-cost] Costumes in Madrid?

2007-07-05 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 20:27 05/07/2007, you wrote: And you are in the UK, so they may not be as exciting for you, but I enjoyed the two stores that specialize in church equipment, including vestments, and a store that sells mostly flamenco costumes, including a wall of roses in every color you can think of (they

Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914

2007-07-05 Thread MaggiRos
Ooh, deeply glamourous! However, I've got a month exactly till the event, so a heavy beading project isn't gonna happen. I think I'm thinking of something summery with pinks and greens, but the black does sound yummy. Hmmm, maybe for next year. I look terrific in black. ;-) Something like this:

[h-cost] looking for hi-rez images

2007-07-05 Thread Althea Turner
Greetings all, I am looking for hi-rez images of the extant arming coats of the Black Prince and of Charles of Blois, and of the Effigy of the Black prince in Canterbury Cathedral. This is so I can make line drawing illustrations for a class I am teaching later this summer. I've found

RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images?

2007-07-05 Thread otsisto
Nice. Someone may have already suggested it but how about some small lace along the edge as an option? metallic? Or combine the split and gold lace? De whose brain this week seems to be in first gear and slips into neutral periodically. -Original Message- Thanks, but I have patterns for

Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914

2007-07-05 Thread Katy Bishop
Nice fabric choice, very summery. Would work for both evening and a garden party or tea Katy On 7/5/07, MaggiRos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooh, deeply glamourous! However, I've got a month exactly till the event, so a heavy beading project isn't gonna happen. I think I'm thinking of

RE: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914

2007-07-05 Thread otsisto
How about making the tunic out of lace and add a few pearls, pink, green and clear beads to spots. De -Original Message- Ooh, deeply glamourous! However, I've got a month exactly till the event, so a heavy beading project isn't gonna happen. I think I'm thinking of something summery with

Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914

2007-07-05 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 7/5/2007 4:49:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about making the tunic out of lace and add a few pearls, pink, green and clear beads to spots. ** And of course they make the most opulent already embroidered / beaded /

Re: [h-cost] looking for hi-rez images

2007-07-05 Thread Beth and Bob Matney
How Hi-res do you want? I don't know of any on the web, but I have some pretty large scans from various books. The Charles is 3 MB with 1-2 MB details. Beth At 03:49 PM 7/5/2007, you wrote: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:17:29 -0700 From: Althea Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings all, I am

[h-cost] Costumes in Madrid?

2007-07-05 Thread Cin
Museo del Trajes http://museodeltraje.mcu.es/index.jsp?id=83ruta=3,16 There's an exhibit in conjunction with the Kyoto Museum of Costume coming up. Hope you get to see some of that stuff, too. -cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll be going to Madrid again in a few weeks. I plan on

RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images?

2007-07-05 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 21:34 05/07/2007, you wrote: Nice. Someone may have already suggested it but how about some small lace along the edge as an option? metallic? Or combine the split and gold lace? I have some gold/crimson/blue brocade left from the underskirt which will edge inside the sleeve, plus whatever

[h-cost] test

2007-07-05 Thread Jean Waddie
I've had no messages for a week - is anybody out there?? -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume

RE: [h-cost] test

2007-07-05 Thread Glenda Robinson
Have replied directly. Glenda. -Original Message- I've had no messages for a week - is anybody out there?? -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume

RE: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914

2007-07-05 Thread MaggiRos
That would be terrific, but again, there's a time constraint. The black stuff I just ordered, though will probably lend itself to some accent beads. Thanks for the inspiration! MaggiRos the Elizabethan --- otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about making the tunic out of lace and add a few

[h-cost] Thoughts on the cut of Schaube/Sleeve

2007-07-05 Thread Saragrace Knauf
Sorry for the X-posts http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Taufe-Christi-1556-Detail.jpghttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Taufe-Christi-1556-Detail.jpg Any thoughts on the cut of the coat and sleeves of the woman's Schaube? Here is a similar one for a man.

[h-cost] 1920 pattern

2007-07-05 Thread otsisto
AlbertCat wasn't kinding about the lace and embroidery prices. http://tinyurl.com/2l7w2a http://tinyurl.com/26g2xg http://www.finefabrics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGYCategory_Code= BD ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com

Re: [h-cost] Thoughts on the cut of Schaube/Sleeve

2007-07-05 Thread Saragrace Knauf
Ugh, sorry about the links. http://public.fotki.com/wickedfrau/schaube/mansschaube.html http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Taufe-Christi-1556-Detail.jpg - Original Message - From: Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TheRenaissanceTailor [EMAIL PROTECTED]; GermanRenCostume

Re: [h-cost] looking for hi-rez images

2007-07-05 Thread Althea Turner
Those would be wonderful! Im trying to see detail so I can make an illustrated version. Thank you! Althea On Jul 5, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: How Hi-res do you want? I don't know of any on the web, but I have some pretty large scans from various books. The Charles is 3

[h-cost] 2002-4 fashions

2007-07-05 Thread Julie
OK. I've resisted as long as I could. Of course I remember what I was wearing in 2002-4 because I'm still wearing it - and from much earlier too. It's probably heresy on a fashion-related list, but I refuse to wear some of the ugly junk that shows up in stores. It's expensive and frequently

Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions

2007-07-05 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Thursday 05 July 2007, Julie wrote: OK. I've resisted as long as I could. Of course I remember what I was wearing in 2002-4 because I'm still wearing it - and from much earlier too. It's probably heresy on a fashion-related list, but I refuse to wear some of the ugly junk that shows up in

Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914

2007-07-05 Thread MaggiRos
I've found a green that will go under it perfectly. It will also go under the embroidered black, so I'm going to go for it and do both! Mwahahaha. Two totally different looks off the same idea I'm feeling fairly evil, but it's payday, and I don't do this kind of thing very often. No honest. I

Re: [h-cost] Costumes in Madrid?

2007-07-05 Thread Beth and Bob Matney
Suzi, Have you seen these? BURIAL CHURCHES OF SPANISH SOVEREIGNS http://homepage.mac.com/crowns/e/avgal.html Museo Iglesia del Salvador (Salvador Church Museum ) (Oña, Province: http://www.spain.info/TourSpain/Destinos/Provincias/H/CW/0/Burgos.htm?Language=ENBurgos, Region:

Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions

2007-07-05 Thread Sylvia Rognstad
I'm sure a lot of us are still wearing the same clothes from years ago and earlier. I know I am!So what were you buying 5 years ago that you were still wearing? Sylrog On Jul 5, 2007, at 5:38 PM, Julie wrote: OK. I've resisted as long as I could. Of course I remember what I was

Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914

2007-07-05 Thread MaggiRos
I'm totally in love with this one, but I don't think it will go with the pink/green charmeuse. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=013sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AITviewitem=item=230147316386rd=1rd=1#ebayphotohosting or http://tinyurl.com/2pvtf4 Oh I'm all in a dither. I've got to pick

Re: [h-cost] Thoughts on the cut of Schaube/Sleeve

2007-07-05 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 00:02 06/07/2007, you wrote: Ugh, sorry about the links. http://public.fotki.com/wickedfrau/schaube/mansschaube.html http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Taufe-Christi-1556-Detail.jpg The man's sleeve can be seen on Holbein's iconic painting of Henry Vlll, (tucked in behind the puff

Re: [h-cost] Thoughts on the cut of Schaube/Sleeve

2007-07-05 Thread Saragrace Knauf
These make it pretty clear they are indeed not one with the rest of the coat. Thanks! Sg - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thoughts on the cut of Schaube/Sleeve

Re: [h-cost] 1920 pattern

2007-07-05 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 7/5/2007 6:59:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AlbertCat wasn't kinding about the lace and embroidery prices. http://tinyurl.com/2l7w2a http://tinyurl.com/26g2xg http://www.finefabrics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGYCategory_Code= BD

RE: [h-cost] Thoughts on the cut of Schaube/Sleeve

2007-07-05 Thread Anne Moeller
I don't think that it looks like that. It appears to me that the sleeve is only attached at the back half leaving a hole through which the arm could pass. That is the way I saw it on the Henry portrait. Anne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

[h-cost] New Orleans museums

2007-07-05 Thread Beth Chamberlain
I'm going to be in New Orleans for a conference next week. I've got one full day and some scattered time for sight seeing. Anyone recommend anything as a must-see for a costume junky? Thanks Beth ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com