[h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Saint/iconography question
I'm no expert on mediaeval costume, but I did happen to read yesterday that, before it became customary to show the Magi as of different races (to signify all peoples acknowledging Jesus), they used to be portrayed as representing different age groups. Of the 3 figures presenting containers, 1 has a grey beard, 2 a brown one, and 3 is beardless. Admittedly he does look feminine to our eyes, but the fact that he holds a phial like the others suggests to me that he is a Magus. Kate Bunting Cataloguing Data Quality Librarian University of Derby ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: saint/iconography question
Unless the context of this painting is a series on the nativity I wonder if it actually more of a sideways Virgin and Child Entroned with Saints and Angels. One is more likely to see Mary and Jesus presented in the center with saint important to the patron around the sides or below. I've been looking a lots and lots of nativity images in researching children's clothing and there generally aren't that many people hanging around a regualr nativity. But then why don't the rest of them have halos. If the person in red looks like Mary Magdalene then the guy in front looks a lot like St. Peter. The third haloed fellow just doesn't look exotic enough to be a Magi. The artist certainly knew how to paint people of different ethnities. Could the three haloed people be saints important in the life of Jesus. Peter and Mary M make sense but could the third one be Paul. He sometimes is depicted with a sword. Twelve years of Catholic school AND an art history degree and I'm still not sure. Context is everything. Maybe the patron was picky or the artist's modelbook had the saints mislabeled. Cheers, Mary ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] material for Russian coat
Hi-- I have just discovered a local store geared toward the craft of hooked and needle-punched and braided rugs-- which uses wool cut into narrow strips. So in this age of polar fleece, there's a store chock-full of wools of all weights and colors, year-round! I suggest she look for something like that. No idea if that particular craft is big in England, but it's certainly worth looking into... Astrida *** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery, University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824-3538 603-862-0310 FAX: 603-862-2191 www.unh.edu/art-gallery *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cassandra Greer Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] material for Russian coat Yes it has been like years but a friend of mine needs help that only clothaholics can provide. She would like to make the following coat for a play and still actually be able to use afterwards. She lives in England and is relatively clueless about where to find winter fabrics now that it is almost spring. Could any of you knowledgeable people suggest a few online fabric stores either in the States or in Europe that would have the appropriate type of material even at this time of year? Thanks in advance! Cass (clothaholic and costumer on ice until the kids are in school and the hubby has a better job...) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] material for Russian coat
Yes it has been like years but a friend of mine needs help that only clothaholics can provide. She would like to make the following coat for a play and still actually be able to use afterwards. She lives in England and is relatively clueless about where to find winter fabrics now that it is almost spring. Could any of you knowledgeable people suggest a few online fabric stores either in the States or in Europe that would have the appropriate type of material even at this time of year? Thanks in advance! Cass (clothaholic and costumer on ice until the kids are in school and the hubby has a better job...) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] saint/iconography question
Another useful bit to help you identify the Magi: frankincense and myrrh are aromatic resins*, so they're going to be in containers. Two of the Magi are always holding containers of some sort--either covered cups or boxes. Incidentally, the actual Biblical text (in Luke, IIRC) does not specify the number of Magi, it just says and there came wise men from the East. People decided that there were three of them because there were three gifts mentioned. Regards, Jen/pixel/Margaret *if you spill myrrh into your electric stove and fail to clean it out sufficiently, the aroma when the stove is on will last about six months. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 92
Wherabouts is she? And what kind of woollen fabric is she after? There's always the re-enactor's market this weekend. Failing that there are a number of suppliers that carry wools all year round for re-enactors and the like. Depends what she needs. There are some who make hooky mats here still, but it's a bit of a dying art - has been seen as antiquated for quite a few decades - although there are shops here that will have stuff for it, there aren't likely to be many that specialise in that alone. Mind you, that said retail haberdashery shops and fabric shops in general are something of a dying breed here. Yes it has been like years but a friend of mine needs help that only clothaholics can provide. She would like to make the following coat for a play and still actually be able to use afterwards. She lives in England and is relatively clueless about where to find winter fabrics now that it is almost spring. Could any of you knowledgeable people suggest a few online fabric stores either in the States or in Europe that would have the appropriate type of material even at this time of year? Thanks in advance! Cass (clothaholic and costumer on ice until the kids are in school and the hubby has a better job...) In a message dated 12/03/2008 18:02:55 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi-- I have just discovered a local store geared toward the craft of hooked and needle-punched and braided rugs-- which uses wool cut into narrow strips. So in this age of polar fleece, there's a store chock-full of wools of all weights and colors, year-round! I suggest she look for something like that. No idea if that particular craft is big in England, but it's certainly worth looking into... Astrida ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] material for Russian coat
Cassandra Greer wrote: Could any of you knowledgeable people suggest a few online fabric stores either in the States or in Europe that would have the appropriate type of material even at this time of year? Fabric.com has a few wools in solid colors left. Fashionfabricsclub.com has a better variety, including blends, in various prices. Voguefabricsstore.com also has wools at reasonable prices. Much more expensive wools can be had from dozens of online shops by searching fabric store wool on google. Unless she is looking for something specific in color or weave, it ought to be fairly easy to find coat weight fabrics online. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] saint/iconography question
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:27:27 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *if you spill myrrh into your electric stove and fail to clean it out sufficiently, the aroma when the stove is on will last about six months.LOL! That little tidbit has all the earmarks of the voice of experience Laurie _ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your fix. http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: getting smoke smell out of fabrics
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:25:23 +1300 From: Antonia Calvo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: getting smoke smell out of fabrics To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't tried it on smoke, but good old White Vinegar is my fall back. Lord knows it works for getting a certain cat smell out of fabric for me! Does it work when the cat is a smoker? -- Antonia Calvo (formerly known as Adele de Maisieres) Yes, but only Cigars and Pipes, and Turkish Cigarettes! Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: saint/iconography question
Quoting Mary [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Unless the context of this painting is a series on the nativity I wonder if it actually more of a sideways Virgin and Child Entroned with Saints and Angels. One is more likely to see Mary and Jesus presented in the center with saint important to the patron around the sides or below. I've been looking a lots and lots of nativity images in researching children's clothing and there generally aren't that many people hanging around a regualr nativity. But then why don't the rest of them have halos. This is what the wga.hu site says about the painting. Probably created for the Sant'Egidio's church in Florence, the central panel was executed by Lorenzo Monaco, painter and Camaldolite monk whose activity as illuminator appears in bright colours. His wholly Gothic style also emerges in lengthened figures. Prophets and the Annunciation in the upper part are by Cosimo Rosselli, and was added at the end of 15th century when the original triptych was made rectangular, with the almost complete abolition of divisions between panels. Restored in 1995 And thanks all for the comments. Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: saint/iconography question
Susan Farmer wrote: ... at the end of 15th century when the original triptych was made rectangular, with the almost complete abolition of divisions between panels. and Restored in 1995 That means at least two occasions on which parts were repainted, possibly significantly. That means things like, say, the shape of a silhouette are VERY suspect, because these things may change as someone repaints a background or redefines a figure. Although one would *hope* that a modern restorer would know the difference between a man and a woman in a formulaic scene like this, it is not inconceivable that the strangely feminine shape of the young Magus's torso is a result of the restorer's brush. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] material for Russian coat in England
If the lady lives near London the answer is BOROVIC Street and Borovic Fabrics. This is in the theater district or close to it. I was there years ago (I know for a fact it is still there) and a new show was opening in a couple of months. I was behind the set and costume people. They were ordering in the 100's of yards of various fabrics. When I got served I felt strange asking for 3 yards of this gorgeous white and gold quilted brocade. The clerks didn't even blink. They also directed me towards the back where the Harris Tweed was kept (no, not what you are likely to want for a Russian coat). The storefront was about 15' wide but went all the way to the center of the block and up four floors. All filled with fabrics of every type. Most of the street, which is really an alley with delusions of grandeur - you can only walk down it during the day - is made up of shops with the same sort of merchandise. They cater to the theater, but will never pass up a pound note if it's to be had! From a Blog on wedding dresses: MrsHays2B, my fabric is from Borovic Fabrics (I think that's what they are called!) They are based in Berwick Street, Soho. (Just off Oxford Street) There are LOADS of fabric and silk shops on that street, also lots of accessories shops in the area too - we got the beads for my Tiara from a bead shop a couple of streets away. They are stunning! Well worth a day-trip into London, even if you are just after ideas. Evidently the Beatles (there are people on this list that still remember the Beatles, aren't there? (whimper, feeling OLD today) got the silk that most of their wildest costumes were made from there as well. Looking for Wool in England seems like coals to Newcastle, but there you are :-) Regina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:17 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] material for Russian coat Cassandra Greer wrote: Could any of you knowledgeable people suggest a few online fabric stores either in the States or in Europe that would have the appropriate type of material even at this time of year? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] saint/iconography question
Well, they sure look like the 3 kings to me. They've taken off their crowns (see them either in hand or on the ground) and there are little fancy boxes that could hold frankincesne myrhh. Now, who the lady in orange blue is? I dunno. Mary Piero Carey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] material for Russian coat
Has she looked online? One source for starters: http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_items.aspx?TypID=5Viewby=TypesPa ge=1 http://tinyurl.com/kzdc6 Sorry, I don't know of any stores in England but I vaguely remember something about a store in Edinburgh (sp?) Scot. and that there is wool fabric sold in most Scottish fabric retailers year round. This is a vague memory, possibly flawed memory or dated. De -Original Message- Yes it has been like years but a friend of mine needs help that only clothaholics can provide. She would like to make the following coat for a play and still actually be able to use afterwards. She lives in England and is relatively clueless about where to find winter fabrics now that it is almost spring. Could any of you knowledgeable people suggest a few online fabric stores either in the States or in Europe that would have the appropriate type of material even at this time of year? Thanks in advance! Cass (clothaholic and costumer on ice until the kids are in school and the hubby has a better job...) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: saint/iconography question
In a message dated 3/12/2008 8:03:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Restored in 1995 Interesting! We here, so interested in accuracy and history, may tend to forget attitudes towards paintings like this and others, in the past. The fact that we can all read and write takes away a lot of the utilitarian function such works had originally. Of course those in the past though the painting pleasant and lovely enough to restore and reshape so that it could remain useful and on view. But long past restorations hardly seem interested in accuracy or the original concepts and wishes of the artist. I don't mean this as a negative criticism, just a very interesting observation. Everyone, living in the thick of his or her time period is not responsible for future attitudes so can be cut much slack. I mean, hey, we tore down Penn. Station!...so the monks cut a door through The Last Supper. It sometime works the other way. Remember when they were restoring the Sistine Chapel ceiling? Some art scholars were whining and decrying how removing the layers of varnish was removing subtle color effects Michelangelo had labored over. I thought: Good grief! The ceiling's what? 40 feet in the air. It's not like you can get close to it. Why would Michelangelo paint subtle anything? As the bright colors and scene-painting techniques were revealed, it all made so much more sense than subtle color effect. More like centuries of smoke and soot from candle and lamp lights. **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
