Re: [h-cost] Catching up
2. Image: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429.jpg . These medallions are borders on a three-tiered net dress. My question: What is the name of the type of hand-crochet around the medallions? It is a cotton thread very similar what is used on doilies. I am so embarrassed that I can't remember this term. I have made this type of crochet so many times. It is made by using a double or triple crochet, then chain two or three and then repeat. There are three rows of this type of crochet around each medallion. Claire, Thank you for your answer for what type of crochet surrounding the medallions on the dress. Your answer is correct. I checked several websites against your answer...filet. I have seen the word spelled filet and fillet. Are both spellings correct? I have seen these used interchanged. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] scanning large format items Was:How Many Costume Books
Many thanks to everyone for the suggestions about scanning oversized items. I am checking with the college Library to see if they have an extra large scanner bed. If they don't I am checking with the school of arts. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Catching Up
One more time...Rebecca suggested lattice crochet. I found this example of a lattice bookmark: http://www.yarncat.com/mybookmark.html . This example does look like what is on the dress. But other images that I found on http://www.crochetpatterncentral.com/search.php look kinda like the pattern but not as much as the fillet pattern. Are both these patterns similar? Which would be the proper term to call the pattern on the dress? I am so confused. Does anyone know the website to change your membership status for the historic needlework email list? I know there are h-costumers that are on h-needlework. I changed to no mail when I was out of town, and lost my email with directions to change back my status to receiving mail. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] silk brokade
I am looking for a brokade of some sort, black and red. Or it could also be orange and red. The pattern should be renaissance. I found one at the Delectable Mountain fabric store wich was posted here some time ago, but its miniature format for dolls. I have looked everywhere, but dont seem to find any. Where did they find the fabrics for Elizabeth Golden age? Very happy if anybody could help. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] silk brokade
At 09:40 05/05/2008, you wrote: I am looking for a brokade of some sort, black and red. Or it could also be orange and red. The pattern should be renaissance. I found one at the Delectable Mountain fabric store wich was posted here some time ago, but its miniature format for dolls. I have looked everywhere, but dont seem to find any. Where did they find the fabrics for Elizabeth Golden age? Very happy if anybody could help. Bjarne Try here - even if you don't like anything, it's a beautiful site, and the lady is so helpful. http://www.hyenaproductions.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATSCategory=6 Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Catching up
This is not crotched. Its needle lace Penny, if you look at the right corner above the medallions, you can see some round loops on each center bar. Either this, or it could be a combination of crotched and needlelace. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Catching up 2. Image: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429.jpg . These medallions are borders on a three-tiered net dress. My question: What is the name of the type of hand-crochet around the medallions? It is a cotton thread very similar what is used on doilies. I am so embarrassed that I can't remember this term. I have made this type of crochet so many times. It is made by using a double or triple crochet, then chain two or three and then repeat. There are three rows of this type of crochet around each medallion. Claire, Thank you for your answer for what type of crochet surrounding the medallions on the dress. Your answer is correct. I checked several websites against your answer...filet. I have seen the word spelled filet and fillet. Are both spellings correct? I have seen these used interchanged. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Catching up
I just sent another image to the web with a close-up of one medallion. Feel free to download it and zoom in to see the stitches. http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429A.jpg If using IE, place your cursor on the lower right corner, an arrow will appear, and click on it for the enlargement to see the stitches. I am open for discussion. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] silk brokade
Hi Suzi, I know Hyena, and i have had things from them before, but i dont find what i am looking for here. Thanks anyway! Bjarne - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk brokade At 09:40 05/05/2008, you wrote: I am looking for a brokade of some sort, black and red. Or it could also be orange and red. The pattern should be renaissance. I found one at the Delectable Mountain fabric store wich was posted here some time ago, but its miniature format for dolls. I have looked everywhere, but dont seem to find any. Where did they find the fabrics for Elizabeth Golden age? Very happy if anybody could help. Bjarne Try here - even if you don't like anything, it's a beautiful site, and the lady is so helpful. http://www.hyenaproductions.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATSCategory=6 Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] silk brokade
We've just begun to sell Chinese silk fabrics, also brocades, my sister buys them in China and I sell them in Europe. We currently don't have any red-black brocade, but we could possibly have a look next time we go shopping, it depends on how quickly you need the fabric. Not very easy to get it this way, I know, but if you didn't find anything... Zuzana www.sartor.cz Note: this shop is quite new, so there's almost nothing in it and almost no proper historical dresses - I'm working on it and hope to add some more interesting items during the summer. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] silk brokade
Hi Zuzana, Thankyou for the big favour, but i think it would be two much to ask. I only need one skirt height as i want to fake the underskirt and only have the front part in the real brokade. Rest of the dress is black. So it would be two much to ask you for such a little quantity. Also the underskirt is decorated with gold braid in the front, wich i think is a shame, but it was the fashion i guess. Therefore the pattern of the fabric dont has to be so authentic as possible. The whole buisiness in trying to recreate such a dress, has almost made me give up the whole buisiness. The lace i baught from England wich is a reproduktion of a reticella lace is ideal, but it is two big and clumsy, not at all as fine as the portrait. And besides this the research and looking for the right materials, is really time consuming, the museum cant pay me for all the research, i think i might give it up after all. Bjarne Original Message - From: Zuzana Kraemerova [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk brokade We've just begun to sell Chinese silk fabrics, also brocades, my sister buys them in China and I sell them in Europe. We currently don't have any red-black brocade, but we could possibly have a look next time we go shopping, it depends on how quickly you need the fabric. Not very easy to get it this way, I know, but if you didn't find anything... Zuzana www.sartor.cz Note: this shop is quite new, so there's almost nothing in it and almost no proper historical dresses - I'm working on it and hope to add some more interesting items during the summer. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt
On May 4, 2008, at 10:10 PM, Bella wrote: I think it's an optical illusion. What at first looked to me like an opening in the skirt, I now believe to be a blackworked handkercheif/small towel pinned to the waist. Yes, it's a muckinder. Melanie Schuessler ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] silk brokade
Yes, that can happen...the research and everything around is so time consuming that it's not worth the money you get for it...it often happens to me...and I do it just because it's a kind of a hobby... Well, we won't go and search, but if we stumbled on something we might let you know:-) Zuzana Leif og Bjarne Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Zuzana, Thankyou for the big favour, but i think it would be two much to ask. I only need one skirt height as i want to fake the underskirt and only have the front part in the real brokade. Rest of the dress is black. So it would be two much to ask you for such a little quantity. Also the underskirt is decorated with gold braid in the front, wich i think is a shame, but it was the fashion i guess. Therefore the pattern of the fabric dont has to be so authentic as possible. The whole buisiness in trying to recreate such a dress, has almost made me give up the whole buisiness. The lace i baught from England wich is a reproduktion of a reticella lace is ideal, but it is two big and clumsy, not at all as fine as the portrait. And besides this the research and looking for the right materials, is really time consuming, the museum cant pay me for all the research, i think i might give it up after all. Bjarne Original Message - From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk brokade We've just begun to sell Chinese silk fabrics, also brocades, my sister buys them in China and I sell them in Europe. We currently don't have any red-black brocade, but we could possibly have a look next time we go shopping, it depends on how quickly you need the fabric. Not very easy to get it this way, I know, but if you didn't find anything... Zuzana www.sartor.cz Note: this shop is quite new, so there's almost nothing in it and almost no proper historical dresses - I'm working on it and hope to add some more interesting items during the summer. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] child's skirt
I too think this is an illusion; an artist's attempt at painting a realistic pose that shows what happens to the clothing when a child is being held. Most other paintings from earlier times are more concerned with content and meaning and not with pictoral renderings that try to duplicate the image of the sitters. Kathleen___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Ottoman, grosgrain, or corded silk.
Anybody have any idea where I might be able to get hold of a decent weight silk (or silk and cotton) ottoman, grosgrain, or otherwise corded (not striped silk in a dark red colour? Have tried the usuals (henry bertrand, james hare, etc, etc) and come up blank so far. Any suggestions? Needs to be UK or mail order. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt
At 03:17 05/05/2008, you wrote: On Sunday 04 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/KatherineGrey.jpg What in the world is going on with that child's skirt? Did the artist decide after the fact that the skirt should be split, with a forepart? Would trim really have been applied diagonally and interrupted? I don't think there is any difference with the trim at all; I think that half of her skirt is partly obscured by a black blanket that covers most of the second half of her skirt. I see the muckinder, but surely the trim is still not right if the top and bottom are meant to match? On the right side facing us, there are two rows of trim missing, if it's meant to match, in my opinion? I love the whole outfit though - sooo grownup! Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] silk brokade
I am looking for a brokade of some sort, black and red. Or it could also be orange and red. The pattern should be renaissance. I found one at the Delectable Mountain fabric store wich was posted here some time ago, but its miniature format for dolls. THANK YOU! I've been looking for a red miniature Renaissance brocade for almost ten years! Now I can finish the Ditchley Doll! Margo ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question for embroiderers
Hi Margaret, I am sorry I did not get back to you sooner but everything was in chaos when I go back from London. We lost one cat to cancer and almost lost another to hyperthyroidism. All is much improved now. Anyway, I looked in several stores and was unable to find anyplace in London or Colchester that sold Pearsall's. We even went online and the only place that had any was in Wales. It would need to be mail ordered. I even went to a place here in Va. Beach that as supposed to carry it and they did not. The only other place I could find was also online but nobody carries the spools. I suspect that you got some vintage silk that is no longer made. Sorry I was no successful. Anne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of margaret Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:49 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for embroiderers Does anyone know of a distributor here in the US for Pearsalls Silk Embroidery Thread? I inherited some several years ago but its about gone now and I would love to get some more. It is made in England. Margaret ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 2/5/2008 8:57 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1415 - Release Date: 5/5/2008 6:01 AM ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Cartridge Pleating
I'm planning a class on Cartridge Pleating for next week. My time frame is 16C and I'm trying to keep it fairly basic. Any advice? Thanks, Catherine **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question for embroiderers
Sorry, this was supposed to be private. Anne No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1415 - Release Date: 5/5/2008 6:01 AM ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] silk brokade
I'm not 100% sure this company mails to Europe, but it seems worth a try: http://www.designerfabrics.ca/shop/scripts/ -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ottoman, grosgrain, or corded silk.
Last I heard, Fashion Fabrics Club had begun mailing worldwide, and they often have silk ottoman: http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Catching up
At 02:07 AM 5/5/2008, you wrote: I just sent another image to the web with a close-up of one medallion. Feel free to download it and zoom in to see the stitches. http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429A.jpg If using IE, place your cursor on the lower right corner, an arrow will appear, and click on it for the enlargement to see the stitches. I am open for discussion. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com It looks like embroidery to me, with needle lace around the medallion. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] crotched
I know we have disgussed the history of crotched here manny times. I was amazed when i got a book : Our New Clothes: Acquisitions of the 1990ies from The Metropolidan Museum of Arts. There is a beautifull Robe a la francaise dated 1740ies, floral handpainted cream silk moiré faille. It has crotcheted netting, cream silk fly-fringe and polycrome flowers of silk floss. Crotcheted netting is made in a ecry colloured thread. I didnt know crotching was as old as that! Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cartridge Pleating
One tip is to line the top of the fabric to be pleated with evenly checked gingham. The regular spacing of the checks makes it easy to make even pleats and the gingham finishes the top edge. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Cartridge Pleating I'm planning a class on Cartridge Pleating for next week. My time frame is 16C and I'm trying to keep it fairly basic. Any advice? Thanks, Catherine **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ottoman, grosgrain, or corded silk.
Ottoman silk http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/Catalog_items.aspx?Query=ottoman%20silk http://tinyurl.com/5aha24 Dark Red Ottoman silk http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_itemdetail.aspx?ItmID=FF814 http://tinyurl.com/5gurv3 -Original Message- Last I heard, Fashion Fabrics Club had begun mailing worldwide, and they often have silk ottoman: http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches
I really like that pocket and would be interested in embroidering a replica. I couldn't back out of the link to find the page with the pocket description, date, materials, etc. Could someone please direct me to that part of the site? Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are talking about 1500s the you might look for pocket pouches. http://vads.ahds.ac.uk/images/PHS/floral_pocket.jpg To my understanding these were wore under their skirts. It is believed that the skirts had a slit in them for easy access or in some cases where the pocket is between the under skirt and the over skirt, the over skirt would be hiked up for access. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches
I think it was from the Museum of London site. The pocket I believe said that it was listed at about 1620. There are very few pockets from pre1600s. Presently I can not find the site. De -Original Message- I really like that pocket and would be interested in embroidering a replica. I couldn't back out of the link to find the page with the pocket description, date, materials, etc. Could someone please direct me to that part of the site? Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are talking about 1500s the you might look for pocket pouches. http://vads.ahds.ac.uk/images/PHS/floral_pocket.jpg To my understanding these were wore under their skirts. It is believed that the skirts had a slit in them for easy access or in some cases where the pocket is between the under skirt and the over skirt, the over skirt would be hiked up for access. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches
At 00:02 06/05/2008, you wrote: I think it was from the Museum of London site. The pocket I believe said that it was listed at about 1620. There are very few pockets from pre1600s. Presently I can not find the site. The embroidery seems very 18th century to me - are you sure it was 1620? I have looked at a large number of pockets, and pictures of, for a small project I am working on, and have never seen one dated that early. Some of the MoL items are not always dated accurately, or with a very wide range of dates, as I have found while working there, as a volunteer. Suzi De -Original Message- I really like that pocket and would be interested in embroidering a replica. I couldn't back out of the link to find the page with the pocket description, date, materials, etc. Could someone please direct me to that part of the site? Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are talking about 1500s the you might look for pocket pouches. http://vads.ahds.ac.uk/images/PHS/floral_pocket.jpg To my understanding these were wore under their skirts. It is believed that the skirts had a slit in them for easy access or in some cases where the pocket is between the under skirt and the over skirt, the over skirt would be hiked up for access. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches
Wikipedia gives this information about the site: VADS (Visual Arts Data Service) is a UK organisation that provides digital images and other visual arts resources free and copyright cleared for use in UK higher education and further education. It has provided services to the academic community for 11 years, and has built up a portfolio of visual art collections comprising over 100,000 images. VADS is based at the University College for the Creative Arts at Farnham. Perhaps you could try writing the organization about the source? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On May 5, 2008, at 6:17 PM, Julie wrote: I really like that pocket and would be interested in embroidering a replica. I couldn't back out of the link to find the page with the pocket description, date, materials, etc. Could someone please direct me to that part of the site? Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are talking about 1500s the you might look for pocket pouches. http://vads.ahds.ac.uk/images/PHS/floral_pocket.jpg To my understanding these were wore under their skirts. It is believed that the skirts had a slit in them for easy access or in some cases where the pocket is between the under skirt and the over skirt, the over skirt would be hiked up for access. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] crotched
I have to say, this post wasn't what I was expecting from the subject line. Honestly not sure what I *was* expecting. Thanks for the giggle, Bjarne! Laurie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:29:20 +0200 Subject: [h-cost] crotched I know we have disgussed the history of crotched here manny times. I was amazed when i got a book : Our New Clothes: Acquisitions of the 1990ies from The Metropolidan Museum of Arts. There is a beautifull Robe a la francaise dated 1740ies, floral handpainted cream silk moiré faille. It has crotcheted netting, cream silk fly-fringe and polycrome flowers of silk floss. Crotcheted netting is made in a ecry colloured thread. I didnt know crotching was as old as that! Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
