Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts [long]

2008-06-12 Thread Robin Netherton
Back to Salome again, but only briefly, as I am loaded with work and will not be able to pursue this thread further (I spent way too much time online this week). Suzanne wrote (among many other things in a very thoughtful and helpful post): > I suggest that we break up the question into 2 part

Re: [h-cost] Beyond the Veil?

2008-06-12 Thread Robin Netherton
Regina Voorhes wrote: > I am fishing for some info, and thought, ah-ha! H-Cos can help! My friend > MaggiRos specifically suggested Robin Netherton, but I know there are some > other experts out there. ... I certainly hope so, because I'm afraid I know absolutely nothing about Irish veils and

[h-cost] Beyond the Veil?

2008-06-12 Thread Regina Voorhes
I am fishing for some info, and thought, ah-ha! H-Cos can help! My friend MaggiRos specifically suggested Robin Netherton, but I know there are some other experts out there. So, folks, here I go. I am preparing a class for the Costumers' Guild West's Costume College 2008 on Irish Headdresses.

Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts [long]

2008-06-12 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Thursday 12 June 2008 9:23:35 pm Suzanne wrote: [snipping most] > If you look at the images in the link that otsisto sent > > http://tinyurl.com/4rk3xu > > you'll see many that appear in Anderson's book on Hispanic Costume. > That work is generally considered to be a standard in the field and

Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts [long]

2008-06-12 Thread Suzanne
There've been a number of intriguing comments on this thread. To go back to the beginning, Emma asked about this picture, which she found in a discussion concerning the development of the farthingale: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/ Image:Pedro_Garcia_de_Benabarre_St_John_Retable.jpg and

Re: [h-cost] 1490s Spanish help

2008-06-12 Thread michaela de bruce
> I usually just lurk on this list and occasionally ask questions or respond. > My question is when making a dress like this one with a close front bodice, > where do you put the lacing? I've read if it's english that it goes in the > back, but haven't been able to confirm or deny this. Also,

Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts

2008-06-12 Thread Martha Oser
> Did y'all notice the servant in the left corner with the horizontal lines on > her skirt, but no hoops? You know, when this discussion started, I looked at the pictures and thought to myself, "What if that isn't hoops on the outside but a tiered skirt with banding at the hem of each tier?"

Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts

2008-06-12 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 6/12/2008 11:51:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Low class copycat. * Really! Just look at her Moorish inspired headdress. **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest

Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts

2008-06-12 Thread zelda crusher
Low class copycat. There's always one. You get a great idea and then all the hoi polloi want to ape their betters Laurie(who is, in fact, the hoi polloi and apes her betters almost constantly) > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts> > > > http://www.oro

Re: [h-cost] 1490s Spanish help

2008-06-12 Thread Lynn Roth
I usually just lurk on this list and occasionally ask questions or respond. My question is when making a dress like this one with a close front bodice, where do you put the lacing? I've read if it's english that it goes in the back, but haven't been able to confirm or deny this. Also, if you

Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts

2008-06-12 Thread CBellfleur
I noticed that - she also appears to have a loose-fitting over-gown (brown) with elbow-length sleeves and a slit neckline. Quite different from anyone else. Catherine In a message dated 6/12/2008 11:03:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.oronoz.com/le

Re: [h-cost] Fan front bodice

2008-06-12 Thread AlbertCat
Earlier. In that big tome from the Kyoto Museum "Fashion", there's an 1830's gown with a fan front. Page 192dated C. 1835. **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg0005000102) ___

Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts

2008-06-12 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 6/12/2008 8:12:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.oronoz.com/leefoto.php?referencia=15099 ** Did y'all notice the servant in the left corner with the horizontal lines on her skirt, but no hoops? **V

Re: [h-cost] Doublet versus Court Gown

2008-06-12 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 6/12/2008 12:02:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/renaissance.jpg ** Nice group. The green gown is lov-er-ly. **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008.

Re: [h-cost] Doublet versus Court Gown

2008-06-12 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 6/11/2008 11:12:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was good enough for Mary, Queen of Scots, who was painted several times wearing a shirt or smock with a large ruff worn open. ** Yeahbut look what happened to her!

Re: [h-cost] Fan front bodice

2008-06-12 Thread Serena Dyer
Does anyone know of an exact date when fan front bodices were introduced in the 1840s? Thanks, Serena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume

Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts

2008-06-12 Thread Robin Netherton
Claire Clarke wrote: > I couldn't help noticing in the early link with loads of images > (http://jessamynscloset.com/15thgallery.html) that the Salome > with outside hoops is from a Catalan picture, and the Salome > with hoops on the underskirt is from Madrid (not Catalan). Further > down there's

Re: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts

2008-06-12 Thread Claire Clarke
> michaela de bruce wrote: >>> There's a nice book on Spanish costume, entitled [strangely enough] >>> "Hispanic Costume 1480- 1530" by R. M. Anderson (1979), where the >>> author has pulled together artwork of the period and grouped it by >>> garment type to show the development of styles. I