Re: [h-cost] 18th century Tricorn hats....on back of head
I think this might be the painting you are thinking of - it is 'Mr and Mrs Andrews' by Gainsborough. This is a link to the painting in the National Gallery - http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebObjects.dll/CollectionPublisher.woa/wa/work?workNumber=NG6301 Best wishes Viv The military cocked hat is also cocked differently from the equilaterally cocked hat. There are portraits that show the hat tipped back, not just parodies. The one that comes to mind immediately is a sporting painting however. I will try to look up the name and artist, I know I have a copy of it around here somewhere. I have seen two that I can remember, which I only remember because I hate the look and was surprised to see it. It looks so Disney. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 18th century Tricorn hats....on back of head
That's the one that first came to mind, I know I have seen another one as well. I'm your huckleberry Ron Carnegie r.carne...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Viv Watkins Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:09 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century Tricorn hatson back of head I think this might be the painting you are thinking of - it is 'Mr and Mrs Andrews' by Gainsborough. This is a link to the painting in the National Gallery - http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebObjects.dll/CollectionPublisher .woa/wa/work?workNumber=NG6301 Best wishes Viv The military cocked hat is also cocked differently from the equilaterally cocked hat. There are portraits that show the hat tipped back, not just parodies. The one that comes to mind immediately is a sporting painting however. I will try to look up the name and artist, I know I have a copy of it around here somewhere. I have seen two that I can remember, which I only remember because I hate the look and was surprised to see it. It looks so Disney. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] possibly OT -- Academic Hoods
Yes, the hat I described is the floppy one...and now seems to be the major style of Phds at WJ, Pa. After reading some of the other replies, it would appear that the color scheme is not totally understood. Math and all of the other disciplines have a traditional color so that if you are watching a 'parade', you can identify what department the wearer represents. The other color identifies what Institution the degree was gained. The style of the hood itself identifies the Degree of higher learning. Thus, ubless every one went to the same university the colors will make their own honorific statement. Kathleen -Original Message- From: Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Sent 4/15/2009 8:45:48 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] possibly OT -- Academic HoodsQuoting R Lloyd Mitchell rmitch...@staff.washjeff.edu: I used my husband's hood to make one for my soninlaw. Is yours to be for the MA or Phd. I would be happy to make up a pattern for you. First, research the general style (any of Academic garb sites and find out the proper colors for School and discipline to be featured. I can also send you my pattern for an Oxford don hat. You can get a wonderful gilt tassel from a present company...which I will identify from my records. Is that (the Oxford Don hat) the octagon-shaped tudor-flat-cap kinda hat? I so want one of those. My morter-board cap is just way too big on my little pin-head! I have a PhD hood, but I just would like to get the patterns for both kinds of hoods (in my observations this morning, most folks don't know how they're supposed to hang! Those MS hoods are more hood like but they're harder to make hang right.) There are more than a few folks here who have no hoods -- if I had patterns, I could whip up some hoods for the division to have as reserves. I have *no* clue how to take my hood and make a pattern from it. Thanks! Susan - Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Mathhttp://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-cost...@mail.indra.comhttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ??___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] possibly OT -- Academic Hoods
Searching on Google Image under academic hood brought up many interesting pages, including the differences in size and complexity between Master's, Doctorate, etc. levels. Also some amusing photos of people actually trying to wear them as hoods (on a lark) and how foolish the hoods look.) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Such virtue hath my pen -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 I knew this wasn't _my_ pen! --Cynthia Virtue ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] possibly OT -- Academic Hoods
Math and all of the other disciplines have a traditional color so that if you are watching a 'parade', you can identify what department the wearer represents. Here is what I remember, without looking it up: The hood lining is the school colors.? The velvet edging, which varies in width according to the degree, is traditionally, white for arts (BA, MA), gold for sciences (BS, MS), and blue for philosophy, hence the Ph.D.? However, a modern innovation is to use specific disciplines for that color--mine, for example, was home economics, and designated as maroon.? The velvet stripes on the doctoral robe can be black or the blue. Both the hood and the gown are different styles for the different degrees.? I seem to remember the master's has the long hanging sleeves--a place to stash your stuff! Unfortunately, the ready-made ones that people buy, instead of rent, nowadays often resemble the cheapy Ben Cooper Halloween costumes, so, yes, cheesy fabric and gathers instead of nice pleats.? Ann Wass -Original Message- From: R Lloyd Mitchell rmitch...@staff.washjeff.edu To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 9:20 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] possibly OT -- Academic Hoods Yes, the hat I described is the floppy one...and now seems to be the major style of Phds at WJ, Pa. After reading some of the other replies, it would appear that the color scheme is not totally understood. Math and all of the other disciplines have a traditional color so that if you are watching a 'parade', you can identify what department the wearer represents. The other color identifies what Institution the degree was gained. The style of the hood itself identifies the Degree of higher learning. Thus, ubless every one went to the same university the colors will make their own honorific statement. Kathleen -Original Message- From: Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Sent 4/15/2009 8:45:48 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] possibly OT -- Academic HoodsQuoting R Lloyd Mitchell rmitch...@staff.washjeff.edu: I used my husband's hood to make one for my soninlaw. Is yours to be for the MA or Phd. I would be happy to make up a pattern for you. First, research the general style (any of Academic garb sites and find out the proper colors for School and discipline to be featured. I can also send you my pattern for an Oxford don hat. You can get a wonderful gilt tassel from a present company...which I will identify from my records. Is that (the Oxford Don hat) the octagon-shaped tudor-flat-cap kinda hat? I so want one of those. My morter-board cap is just way too big on my little pin-head! I have a PhD hood, but I just would like to get the patterns for both kinds of hoods (in my observations this morning, most folks don't know how they're supposed to hang! Those MS hoods are more hood like but they're harder to make hang right.) There are more than a few folks here who have no hoods -- if I had patterns, I could whip up some hoods for the division to have as reserves. I have *no* clue how to take my hood and make a pattern from it. Thanks! Susan - Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Di vision of Science and Mathhttp://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-cost...@mail.indra.comhttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ??= ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] possibly OT -- Academic Hoods
Susan Farmer wrote: Quoting Ruth Anne Baumgartner ruthan...@mindspring.com: I've read everyone's helpful replies to this, but what I'd say is: Go ahead and make 13th-century garb and wear it. There is a pattern in Alcega for a gown for a learned man -- but what would a 12th century gown look like? From what I understand, the 12th-13th century version of a scholar's gown--the cappa clausa -- looked more or less like a long hooded poncho with a slit in front for the hands. Susan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] possibly OT -- Academic Hoods
Now, THAT sounds comfortable! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner On Apr 16, 2009, at 7:11 PM, Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: Susan Farmer wrote: Quoting Ruth Anne Baumgartner ruthan...@mindspring.com: I've read everyone's helpful replies to this, but what I'd say is: Go ahead and make 13th-century garb and wear it. There is a pattern in Alcega for a gown for a learned man -- but what would a 12th century gown look like? From what I understand, the 12th-13th century version of a scholar's gown--the cappa clausa -- looked more or less like a long hooded poncho with a slit in front for the hands. Susan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] possibly OT -- Academic Hoods
Quoting R Lloyd Mitchell rmitch...@staff.washjeff.edu: Yes, the hat I described is the floppy one...and now seems to be the major style of Phds at WJ, Pa. After reading some of the other replies, it would appear that the color scheme is not totally understood. Math and all of the other disciplines have a traditional color so that if you are watching a 'parade', you can identify what department the wearer represents. The other color identifies what Institution the degree was gained. The style of the hood itself identifies the Degree of higher learning. Thus, ubless every one went to the same university the colors will make their own honorific statement. It's my understanding that the Color Scheme only applies to hoods. The velvet is the color of the discipline -- the color(s) of the satin are the colors of the institution. The velvet bands on the front of the gown and the sleeves c either be the discipline colors, trimmed in the discipline colors, or Your Basic Black. Susan - Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] possibly OT -- Academic Hoods
Quoting Susan Carroll-Clark scarrollcl...@gmail.com: Susan Farmer wrote: Quoting Ruth Anne Baumgartner ruthan...@mindspring.com: I've read everyone's helpful replies to this, but what I'd say is: Go ahead and make 13th-century garb and wear it. There is a pattern in Alcega for a gown for a learned man -- but what would a 12th century gown look like? From what I understand, the 12th-13th century version of a scholar's gown--the cappa clausa -- looked more or less like a long hooded poncho with a slit in front for the hands. How cool is that! susan - Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
