This post seems to have lots of images to show what you are talking about;
however I can not access any of them - I ge a "forbiden" note at the top of
every page. Is there another way to see these images?
Paula
> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 16:47:09 -0500
> From: hope.greenb...@uvm.edu
>
I believe
> that means it has a train, and they must still have been fashionable on the
> Continent at that time.
Or maybe, if someone gave uit to her, it's an older trained dress that
was out of fashion and the donor thought it could be remodeled by the
recipient.
--
Carolyn Kayta Barrows
--
Just wanted to thank everyone for their replies. Hope, thank you for
the images (your post below), and the difference between ball and
opera gowns. FWIW, I'm going for a basic day gown that might I might
accessorize in future for evening, if possible.
Based on your responses. I think I'm going to
Victorian bodices often have baleen stays. You can probably buy a really
damaged one off eBay and take out the bones. The bones I have, have all
become brittle with age, but if you want baleen, it's pretty easy to
find that way.
Fran
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In a message dated 3/4/2010 5:55:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
hope.greenb...@uvm.edu writes:
in 1817, but it's hard to imagine that anyone
would have a train on any gown by that time
Rosalie Stier Calvert, who lived in Prince George's County, Maryland,
received clothing from her sister
I know someone in the US who bought a long chunk off ebay. fascinating
stuff. No, it wasn't vintage. I don't believe.
-Judy Mitchell
SPaterson wrote:
I know in Canada you can be gifted with baleen, but there may be issues
in the selling/buying of it (unless already in a garment) - least
I know in Canada you can be gifted with baleen, but there may be issues in
the selling/buying of it (unless already in a garment) - leastwise it was
when I was on the hunt for it over 10 years ago..you may have better luck at
your friendliest costume museum.
Bess Darnley / Sarah Paterson
Hi all, I am looking for a piece of vintage baleen stay. I had a piece and
have lost it. I use it in my lectures to show people what it really was
like. If anyone knows of anyone willing to part with a piece I would be
very grateful - and willing to pay for it.
Saragrace
It is an interesting question, isn't it? My take on that phrase has
always been that when she wrote Northanger Abbey in 1798-1799, pinning
up a train would have been necessary, particularly in the crowded
assembly rooms at Bath. It would have still been an accurate statement
when Austen revised
And, as an aside, if making a formal gown for evening, be sure to
differentiate between 'ball dress' and 'evening wear.' I have yet to
find an image of a post-1810 ball gown that has a train. Up to and
around 1810 there are plenty of 'full dress' or 'evening wear' or 'opera
dress' gowns that do
I strictly avoid chat invites with people I don't know. Can't tell who they
REALLY are or what the heck they REALLY want, and this iffy-er than any
uninvited chats I've ever gotten.
Just my two (paranoid) pence.
Claudine
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Hmmm. I'd approach with caution, to be sure... while this could be
completely innocent (maybe just because her son wants to dress this way?) I
can easily see it as some sort of kiddie-porn as well.
Sigh. Ain't NOTHIN' "uncorrupted" any more
There is a photo of my grandfather c.1897,
Sounds lovely. Answering the question of what to do with a train, both
in terms of carrying it and in terms of protecting it, is a challenge.
Here are some thoughts:
For the gowns just before 1800 that were fuller, women are shown
twisting the train up behind their backs, holding a bit of it u
I don't know if this is OT, but I was asked to chat with someone who is
absolutely obsessed with boys in dresses. I was approached as a member of
an inactive Yahoo sewing group - I assumed the person just wanted to talk
construction and embroidery. She (there is a female persona with this
chatter
Thank you all,
I am very much relieved to hear that. I called
the company with my mobile phone (which worked
for some reasons, but thank you Rachel for your
kind offer!) and left a message on the answering
machine. I didn´t know it was such a small
company, so I am fine with a bit of waiting
I recently read (will try to hunt down the source, so this isn't official) that
they normally wore the train over one arm. The point was to bring the skirt
close to the legs to emphasize the "nearly naked" look.
So trains didn't trail, they helped you look naughty. ;-)
And they stayed cle
>I think I would go without, if I were you, considering the extreme hassle it
>would be in a white cotton.
And the fact that "nobody" seems to know how to behave around a train,
and if it ever hits the floor somebody will step on it.
--
Carolyn Kayta Barrows
--
“The future is already here, it i
I recently read (will try to hunt down the source, so this isn't official)
that they normally wore the train over one arm. The point was to bring the
skirt close to the legs to emphasize the "nearly naked" look.
So trains didn't trail, they helped you look naughty. ;-)
And they stayed clean!
Allison--many, but not all, day dresses had trains, and, at least in the US,
trains were out of style for day dresses by 1805. (I seem to remember a quote
that they were out of style in England by then, too, but I can't remember the
exact reference for that one.) The train would have been cut
Dear Annanbel,
there were no trains in the "Regency period".
The Prince Regent [ Prinny] became King George IV in 1820, and the first
railway opened in 1828. So one could posit that the first trains were
"Georgian".
Sorry, couldn't resist that.
:-)>: {grinning!]
Matthewe Baker
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I'm looking to make my first (non-fantasy-tinged) Regency gown, out of
white on white windowpane cotton.
I am finding that during my target time period (1800-1810) many (all?)
dresses had a train, even for day.
I'm considering eliminating this to reduce wear and tear (it's fine
white fabric after
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I ordered some buttons from them last year.
We had problems contacting them via e-mail, but had no problems contacting
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time difference from the UK).
The buttons (naval ones) were delivered quite a bit later than they
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