Re: [h-cost] Re: New Orleans
I'm pretty sure the Voodoo Museum is still there. I was in New Orleans just over a year ago; some of my friends went into the museum, but (IIRC) I believe there are steps inside which I couldn't navigate. kate - Original Message - From: Pierre Sandy Pettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 1:49 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Orleans I second the Mardi Gras Museum. Also fascinating, if not directly costume-related, is the Voodoo Museum (assuming it's still there after the storm). Sandy At 12:20 PM 7/6/2007, you wrote: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:10:50 -0400 From: Beth Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] New Orleans museums I'm going to be in New Orleans for a conference next week. I've got one full day and some scattered time for sight seeing. Anyone recommend anything as a must-see for a costume junky? Thanks Beth Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm The Illusion of Historical Fact -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Antique treadle sewing machine cabinets
Look around at garage sales and at sewing machine repair stores. You'll pay more at the store, but you may be able to get them to keep the machine lower the price a bit. I bought my 1904 Singer at a garage sale for $25 years ago; the shop had the same machine and cabinet for around $100. With regards, kate - Original Message - From: Lavolta Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 4:55 PM Subject: [h-cost] Antique treadle sewing machine cabinets I am thinking of getting a second sewing machine table, to put a modern machine on. I really love the antique treadle tables with an iron base, and, the great part, a big hinged fold-out leaf on the left side on which you can support long skirts while sewing them. They are really attractive and useful pieces of furniture. OK, the drawers aren't very big; but I don't really expect sewing machine table drawers to do much more than hold a few things like bobbins and scissors. I have other furniture for real storage. Anyway, I already have a lovely oak sewing table, which is from my old childhood antique treadle machine that my parents sent to me when we moved into this house. I took the machine itself out, gave it away to someone, had the hole filled up with a nice piece of antique oak, and put my Viking on top. Now I want a second one. But, since I didn't even buy the first one in the San Francisco area, I'm not sure where to buy another one. What with the cast iron base, they're not the lightest items to ship, so I'd rather buy one locally if I can. What I'm working around to asking is, does anyone know where to buy such a table/cabinet in the San Francisco Bay Area? I would rather have one that I did not have to take the machine out of and then find someone who wants the machine, but I will do that if necessary. Thanks for any info. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Wal-Mart fabric
I live in NE Ohio, roughly 60 miles south and slightly east of Cleveland. kate - Original Message - From: Catherine Olanich Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wal-Mart fabric On Tuesday 10 April 2007 12:05 am, Ailith Mackintosh wrote: So I think the fabric departments in Walmarts in areas where Walmart is the *only* choice are probably quite good; it's in wealthier suburban/urban areas where they're likely to fail the fabric shopper. Not necessarily. :-) The only Wal-Mart in my immediate area that will still carry fabric after this summer is just around the corner from a Jo-Ann's ETC and is in one of the country's fastest growing townships. The area is suburban and is reasonably upscale. I've found lovely stuff at that Wal-Mart - linen, linen blends and other nifty stuff. Most of it was on the dollar tables, too. Interesting. I stand corrected. What part of the country do you live in, if I may ask? And that particular Wal-Mart is just over a half hour's drive from Jo-Ann's corporate headquarters and their accompanying mega-store. Which might help to explain why that particular Walmart carries such good fabric deals. :-) -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do. -- George Mabry ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Wal-Mart fabric
So I think the fabric departments in Walmarts in areas where Walmart is the *only* choice are probably quite good; it's in wealthier suburban/urban areas where they're likely to fail the fabric shopper. Not necessarily. :-) The only Wal-Mart in my immediate area that will still carry fabric after this summer is just around the corner from a Jo-Ann's ETC and is in one of the country's fastest growing townships. The area is suburban and is reasonably upscale. I've found lovely stuff at that Wal-Mart - linen, linen blends and other nifty stuff. Most of it was on the dollar tables, too. And that particular Wal-Mart is just over a half hour's drive from Jo-Ann's corporate headquarters and their accompanying mega-store. kate ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen
I have some very fine linen that I got years ago at an estate sale. I have to wonder if it's the same stuff that's being discussed. It's so sheer that I can read through it when it's laid on a page. It has *no* slubs and has a crisp body. I did burn and bleach tests on it and it's 100% linen. The 4 yard piece has a single stamp. It's a circular with words that are Scandinavian (I think). The only thing that I could wish is that it was white instead of cream. But it was an incredible price - only $4 for the piece. It's safely tucked away (read: I was so clever at tucking it away, I cannot lay my hands on it right now!) waiting for me to decide what to do with it. kate - Original Message - From: Kathy Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen Hi Kimiko and Bjarne, I am very familiar with this linen, I am betting my boots this is the same supplier I use. 2.8 oz is about as fine as you are going to get it. I have bolts of both the Czech linen (which is what this Draper is selling) and the Belgian, which is much wider but also *much* finer quality. This largely competes with the Italian, but better priced. (Belgian is running at about $36.00 CAD cost, Italian is about $100.00 per yard at COST- eek!) Kammerdug, I understand translates to lawm or lawn, which I believe is a shade heavier than cambric. The yardage that Kimiko showed is lighter yet than Kammerdug. Doing a little looking around, lawm tends to be placed into a similar category as organdy. You will find Batiste and voile in this family of weaves as well. Between the two (Czech and Belgian) Czech is good, but as you mentioned, crisper. By comparison, the flaws are a little more noticable as well. There is some slubbiness to it. The Belgian doesn't have a slub larger than a pin head in the entire yardage. The Belgian is also qualified as museum quality and restoration shops use it for their work. (I found this out because my first order from the supplier was erroneously redirected to one of them!) Something else I have found out in my pursuit of the perfect linen: the price. YIKES! It's shot up! I was told the reason for this was because the flax seed and oil industry is more lucrative than the linen textile, and because they cannot harvest both the stalk and the seed and reap the income from both, many farmers have opted to follow their pocket books and not let the stalks mature into useable plants for the textile industry. This of course creates a supply and demand problem, quickly filtering down to the end user. I can get this linen for you, I have a wholesale account. I just need to gather orders because I just can't keep this stuff in stock and they require a minimum purchase. But, if you want to keep some in stock for yourself, this is definitely the way to go. I may in time start stocking it, but I have to get some income rolling in another easier to sell department - I have a wholesale account for Eterna Silks as well. I will be selling their stranded silk flosses, other lines as the demand sees fit. Kathy snip We are searching for that elusive fine linen. However, there is at least one site I know of a draper who sells fine 2.8 oz (~ 79.38 grams) linen. http://wmboothdraper.com/Linen/linens_index.htm 100% white handkerchief linen, 2.8 oz., 35” wide, $14.50/yd. snip I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug (very fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that this no longer is made. I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. snip Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:59:10 AM Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 744 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of h-costume digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: kyoto stays again ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2. WildThang2005 has invited you to FREE 3D avatar chat onIMVU (WildThang2005) 3. Re: Holbein exhibit (Dawn) 4. Re: a question about museums (Bjarne og Leif Drews) 5.
[h-cost] costuming website
The text in the pdf files are in Czech, but there are some paintings I've never seen before. And they have pictures of extant garments, too! http://www.kostym.cz/ Just click on the British flag for English. Vive omniem diem sit ultimus, ut qui numquam scis ubi ultimus. Outgoing email scanned by Norton AntiVirus ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Fw: Unpaid Internship in London
Farah Karim-Cooper of the Globe Theatre Education dept writes: I am currently looking for two research interns. One for a special project compiling a costume glossary resource with Jenny Tiramani; it would entail going to the BL quite a bit and reading early printed texts-- lexicons and dictionaries etc. We need someone with some grasp of Latin and perhaps French or Italian, but it's not absolutely vital. The other person would stay on until July and would help with various projects in the research department as well as conducting research for the theatre productions while they are in rehearsal. We need either MA or PhD (In either Shakespeare/Drama/Theatre or Renaissance Studies) students who wouldn't mind givig up two days a week to the Globe. Unfortunately, it is an unpaid internship, but well worth it for the experience and access to scholars and theatre artists. Please contact Farah at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Outgoing email scanned by Norton AntiVirus ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] white embroidery
Thank you *so* much for sharing! The pillow is exquisite. ailith - Original Message - From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:22 AM Subject: [h-cost] white embroidery Hi, As i promissed yesterday, i wanted to let you se the wonderfull 18th century pillow case i got as a gift: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pillowcase.htm It needs washing, but ill waite a little with this. Thoaght about using destilled water, and soap flakes. How about ironing after the wash, shouldnt i use a thick towel on the front of the embroidery and iron on the back? As it is the finest linnen you can imagine, i suppose i should be carefull with the ironing... I think i want to frame the pillow case, and hang it where no sun will harm it. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] book recomondation
Hi Bjarne. The 18th century isn't my area of interest, but the gifts that your client gave you sound amazing! Any chance that you might put pictures up of the needles (with a modern needle to compare it to) and of the pillow? I just *love* pretty pillows! :-) With regards, ailith - Original Message - From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: [h-cost] book recomondation Yesterday i had a meeting with a lady from Hamburg in Germany, whom i am making the new anglaise dress for. She gave me some wonderfull gifts. One of them, i would really recomend to read for those of you who loves the 18th century. Delany was one of the finest embroiderers of England, and she embroidered her own court mantua. This books have some pictures of her embroidery and her letters are full of describtions about fashion trough large parts of the century. She was born early in the century, and died more than 80 years old. I have already read large parts of the book, it is lovely reading! Here is a link to it http://tinyurl.co.uk/e7v7 The other gift i got was a lovely pillow cover embroidered with whitework and edged with esquisite lace. Its real antique 18th century. It has a kind of shadow work where the bottom is filled out with french knots, and believe me if i tell you, that these are so tiny, you wouldnt imagine it! Their needles must have ben very tiny, the finest i have, would be 10 times as big. Finally i got a real coin from the time of Christian VII its from 1787, what do you say? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Secret Santa??
Greetings. I was wondering if we're going to do a Secret Santa this year. I love the gifts that I got last year - the most important gift being a new friend! Thanks! Ailith Vive omniem diem sit ultimus, ut qui numquam scis ubi ultimus. Outgoing email scanned by Norton AntiVirus ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Lack of thread in extant garments
Greetings. I have received a request for help: It seems that in a lot of extant garments, the protein fibers (wool and silk) have survived, while the plant fibers have not. We can only speculate that linen thread was used because there are stitching holes and no thread (and it seems unlikely that they would have pulled the silk or wool sewing thread out before tossing the rest in the trash). I was hoping you might be able to help me find some sort of documentation that I can use as a reference that explains how this works? It doesn't have to be overly technical. Right now I cannot get to my books and my brain is not working...so I'm turning to the best group of costuming/clothing/historians that I can think of. Can any of you help, please? Thanks so much. kate Outgoing email scanned by Norton AntiVirus ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Update on Bjarne
Oh, I'm *so* glad that he's ok! My worry button was pushed in a major way...but then again, my family tells me that worrying is my job. :-) With regards, kate - Original Message - From: Five Rivers Chapmanry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: [h-cost] Update on Bjarne As there seem to be quite a few on this list who expressed concern, I thought you would like to know I've been in communication with Bjarne. He asked me to send along his assurances he is well and not to worry. I told him about all your lovely emails, and he is genuinely touched and wished me to convey that. I would ask that you respect his privacy. When he feels able he will likely be back. Not to worry. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.5rivers.org ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Changes at Joann's- (was Europa trims)
Ah, but the linen-cotton blend is on sale for half off right now, making it $3.99 a yard. I went yesterday and bought what was left of the white. All of the linen prints/embroidered, blends are half off. The 100% linen is $10/yd. Four or five years ago Jo-Ann's did carry more silk, linen and wool. It just didn't sell well enough. A friend of mine used to work in the advertising department and encouraged the buyers to buy for the reenactor market. I guess we just can't buy enough to make them happy. :-( There is one store near Pennsic (New Castle, PA) that Jo-Ann's keeps talking about closing, but it has a huge spike in sales every August, enough to keep it open (at least it was that way a couple of years ago). kate - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Changes at Joann's- (was Europa trims) In a message dated 6/20/2006 8:12:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wish they were going to bring in some more classic and natural fabrics but I'm afraid that they'll assume since things aren't moving people aren't sewing and not realize it is just because people don't want what they have Yes, I'm afraid that is a lost cause. When the mega-JoAnn's near us opened a few years ago, they had wonderful silks (not just dupioni) and Italian wools. I bought several pieces at various times, but eventually that whole section was closed out--did score one piece of silk when it went on clearance. BUT, I'm sure the reason it was all closed out is that most people just didn't buy it. And I must admit, most of what I bought was with the 40% or 50% off coupon. If it doesn't make money, there is no point in their giving it shelf space. On a brighter note, though, that JoAnn's, in with the brightly-colored and modern-printed and embroidered linens, does have a bolt of cotton/linen blend handkerchief weight. I was tempted, but I stocked up on linen in New York last year, so really couldn't justify buying it right now. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Changes at Joann's- (was Europa trims)
The white is lighter in weight than the colored stuff. I just finished a bonnet and shirt for an infant and they turned out just lovely. The stuff that I bought yesterday is ready for me to make a couple of chemises. It's comparable to the 3.5 oz. linen from Fabrics-store.com, maybe just a tad heavier - 4 oz. perhaps. I'm *very* happy with the blend from Jo-Ann's. :-) kate - Original Message - From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Changes at Joann's- (was Europa trims) Susan B. Farmer wrote: Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In a message dated 6/20/2006 11:18:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, but the linen-cotton blend is on sale for half off right now, making it $3.99 a yard. Good chemise weight? What I saw at my local stores was heavier than that, good for a shirt perhaps, or a summer dress. I've been eyeing it too, and if I buy any I will probably use it as lining. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] NYC recommendations
The link is no good. It just takes you to one of those generic link pages. :-( Darn it! kate - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] NYC recommendations One store I have info for right at hand is : Fashion Fabric, Inc 270 W 39th (don't know the cross street but it is near 7 - 8 Ave) M-F 9-7pm, Sat 10-7pm, Sun 11 - 5pm http://www.fashionfabricny.com (I copied this off their business card) As I find more I'll post them. Including one store that ONLY sells linen!! Katheryne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Changes at Joann's- (was Europa trims)
Yes! It's lovely stuff and washes up nicely. The hand is a bit stiff in the store (too much size), but after laundering, it's perfect - soft, yet still has some body. kate - Original Message - From: Susan B. Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Changes at Joann's- (was Europa trims) Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In a message dated 6/20/2006 11:18:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, but the linen-cotton blend is on sale for half off right now, making it $3.99 a yard. Good chemise weight? Jerusha *needing* good chemise weight ... - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] place names, was: Hancock Fabrics
:-D That's nothing...in Ohio, I can visit London, Paris, Cairo, Lima, Toledo and Mantua in a day. Of course, some of them are pronounced oddly; Mantua is Man-ta-way; Lima is Ly-ma like the bean. Cairo and Paris are just wide spots in the road. Except for Toledo, none of them have a fabric store. :-( kate, the wanderer - Original Message - From: Wanda Pease [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 7:41 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics Did this post make anyone else's head hurt from the names involved (grin)? Poland? Then I got the feeling that the country wasn't what was named by Youngstown, but then Boardman (which is in Oregon as far as I'm concerned) came up. Then we had China (Canton) to balance out Poland! That's what happens when you read in the preview screen and haven't an clue what you have just opened. Regina, Laughing in delight at the names found in short distances in the US ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 462
Well, duh. I've been through Cambridge many, many times and there's a yearly SCA event in Oxford that I regularly attend. My husband tells that there is a Rome here too. :-) Hmm...I just checked and there are not one, but THREE Romes in Ohio! Looks like all three are wide spots in the road, though. Who knew? Costume content?? Well, I just ordered some black linen so that I can make household colored stuff for my husband and myself. Hope it gets here in time for me to get things done! kate - Original Message - From: Gail Scott Finke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 462 Kate wrote: That's nothing...in Ohio, I can visit London, Paris, Cairo, Lima, Toledo and Mantua in a day. Of course, some of them are pronounced oddly; Mantua is Man-ta-way; Lima is Ly-ma like the bean. Cairo and Paris are just wide spots in the road. Don't forget Cambridge and Oxford! Gail Finke PS: And there's Versailles Indiana (Ver-SALES) too. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 462
The duh was for me, btw...I should have remembered that they're in Ohio! kate - Original Message - From: Ailith Mackintosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 462 Well, duh. I've been through Cambridge many, many times and there's a yearly SCA event in Oxford that I regularly attend. My husband tells that there is a Rome here too. :-) Hmm...I just checked and there are not one, but THREE Romes in Ohio! Looks like all three are wide spots in the road, though. Who knew? Costume content?? Well, I just ordered some black linen so that I can make household colored stuff for my husband and myself. Hope it gets here in time for me to get things done! kate - Original Message - From: Gail Scott Finke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 462 Kate wrote: That's nothing...in Ohio, I can visit London, Paris, Cairo, Lima, Toledo and Mantua in a day. Of course, some of them are pronounced oddly; Mantua is Man-ta-way; Lima is Ly-ma like the bean. Cairo and Paris are just wide spots in the road. Don't forget Cambridge and Oxford! Gail Finke PS: And there's Versailles Indiana (Ver-SALES) too. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics
Actually, Poland is just south of Youngstown in the Boardman area. It takes me the better part of an hour to get there, and I live just east of Canton. It also takes about the same amount of time to get there from Akron. The last time I was there I was able to get some nice pieces of suit weight wool in a warm brown and pieces in a lovely blue red. I'm hoping to stop this year on the way home from Pennsic. kate - Original Message - From: REBECCA BURCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics Well, they must have heard you because they list a store in Poland, which is in the Akron/Canton area. Then there is one in Columbus area and the others are split between Dayton and Cincinnati. I don't think they have much to worry about from JoAnn's. From what I can see they are turning into a craft/decorating store. My local store has less and less fine fashion fabric while the craft and quilting sections grows. Last winter they didn't have any wool at all. And can someone explain why a fabric store needs a candy section near the register? --- Ailith Mackintosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There used to be loads more Hancock stores in Ohio. A several years ago, on the way home from Pennsic, I stopped at the store in Boardman. The manager told me that all of the stores in a 200 mile radius had been closed. So far as I can see, there are no more Hancocks in the Cleveland area. I once wrote to them 4 or 5 years ago and asked if they'd consider putting a store in the Akron/Canton area and was told that there wasn't a customer base. I think that they're afraid of Jo-Anns (corporate office in Hudson, just 15 minutes north of Akron). kate ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Wal Mart Fabric was: Hancock's closing
I've been lucky enough to find linen/linen blends at Wal-Mart. And I have to admit that when I travel, I look for them just so I can check out their fabric department. I don't particularly like shopping at Wal Mart, but sometimes economics are the driving force. But I will still drive to Jo-Ann's to get Guterman thread. It's about a 30 mile round trip to the nearest store (they closed all of the smaller stores - 6 of them, or so - and opened up one of their super stores). I try to plan my trips so I'm not just going for thread; I also stock up on thread and sewing machine needles when they're on sale. kate ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics
There used to be loads more Hancock stores in Ohio. A several years ago, on the way home from Pennsic, I stopped at the store in Boardman. The manager told me that all of the stores in a 200 mile radius had been closed. So far as I can see, there are no more Hancocks in the Cleveland area. I once wrote to them 4 or 5 years ago and asked if they'd consider putting a store in the Akron/Canton area and was told that there wasn't a customer base. I think that they're afraid of Jo-Anns (corporate office in Hudson, just 15 minutes north of Akron). kate ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume?
I started sewing when I was 5. My gran sewed clothing and made quilts. I remember sitting on the floor watching the wheel spin on her treadle sewing machine. I kept on sewing, making my own halloween costumes. I, too, became interested in Star Trek and made several costumes for aliens to wear. :-) I made my wedding gown on a treadle machine. It was the only one that I had at the time. Unfortunately, it wasn't my gran's machine. It apparently went to charity when they moved to a smaller house in 1970. In addition to the beautiful treadle that I bought at a yard sale, I have a very old Viking (the first computerized machine), an old JC Penney machine, an old Singer in a bent wood case, a Euro-Pro basic machine and a little battery operated machine that goes with me to events (in case of a major clothing malfunction!). In 1990 I attended my first SCA event and the costume bug bit hard! Sixteenth century Florentine is my passion. I love how I feel when I wear one of my gowns. Lately, though, I've taken to wearing the Greenland-style gowns. They're easier for me to maneuver around in. Oh - I do have cats and have had since I was 6. :-) kate ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Yippee!!
My copy of Moda a Firenze arrived in today's mail!!! I'm so excited!! There are portraits that I've never seen in it AND there's a page-sized image of the portrait of Laudomia de Medici as well. Hurrah!! kate ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] silk velvet!
Late last night I was surfing the net and clicked on a link that someone here supplied for Distinctive Fabric. Much to my surprise they list silk velvet for only $19 per yard. Being just a tad skeptical (only $19/yard *and* a 100% silk??!!), I emailed them. This is the response I received: - Original Message - From: Distinctive Fabric [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Web inquiry (General inquiry) Yes it's a 100% silk, our suppliers claim it to be and our burn tests support their claim. Feel free to order samples to judge for yourself. ___ Distinctive Fabric Support 877-721-7269 http://www.distinctivefabric.com They've got a nice palette of colors in their special order page: http://www.distinctivefabric.com/fabric.php?product=SILKVELVET1palette=special_orderexpand=1 Special order colors require a minimum 5 yard cut. With regards, kate ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric?
I found the link in a friend's blog - fabric made from corn. Really! http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12225701/site/newsweek/ Wonder how much it truly costs... ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions
It's here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Martin_Frobisher_by_Ketel.jpg When the page came up, there was no image, but there was a link. kate - Original Message - From: REBECCA BURCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions Should be right on that page on the righthand side. He's wearing a buttery tan outfit. If for some reason it still doesn't come up you could try the Google image search. It is the only full length portrait of him. Rebecca --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one I need to make should replicate the ruff in the portrait of Martin Frobisher found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Frobisher Where's the portrait? I couldn't find it on the wiki page. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\ -@@\\\ 7 ))) )(( ))( * ) ( * /\ /---\ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Quality of clothing, Was: patterns
*snip* This sounds familiar! I have more shoes than any other man I know. Most of them cost at least $100, but none of those are suitable for daily wear! My regular shoes are cheap and I wear them untill I just can't get away with it anymore. Sometimes beyond that. People often dont recognize me out of costume because I dress well in period, but shabbily out! I actually have just started spending some money to amend that, but it is money that I have been forced to spend out of embarrassment. I wonder how common this is on this list? I'm betting that it's much more common than one would think. I know a number of folks whose period dress is better made and is a much higher fabric quality than what they wear in the modern world, myself included. Since my illness last year, my uniform has been sweat pants/capris, tee shirts and tennis shoes. I've pretty much stopped doing my beloved Italian gowns and have opted for 14th century stuff since it's easier for me to manage. My hair is much shorter now (it started falling out 4 months after my hospital stay); it's been years since it's been this short and I can't do a thing with it! :-) Most of the stuff that I've made recently is made of linen, linen/silk blend, wool, wool/silk blend. None of my modern clothing comes even close. kate ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza
I've got a 4 yard piece of linen that I got at an estate sale that is sheer enough to easily read through; it's as sheer as chiffon. When I first got it, I did a burn test and also tested it in bleach and it's definately linen. It has a stamped image on it (maybe 2x2) that indicates the country of origin. It's packed away and I can't get to it. When I can locate it, I'll post what the stamp says. kate - Original Message - From: Caroline [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza Why Joan - however fine linen gets I've never seen it transparent. Silk can be transparent and is evidenced in the archaeological record. It is only these women where the veil appears transparent - all the other pictures I have looked at for example Holkham PBB http://tinyurl.com/rlwa6 the Mac Bible http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/images/maciejowski/leaf44/otm44ra.gif Both of these show opaque veils which I am quite prepared to believe is linen. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re:18c
I use a combination of plastic and steel. Just make sure that the ends of the plastic are rounded (easy to do with kitchen shears). The combination works just fine for me and I wear a 26-28 US size. My area of interest is 16th century Italian (just about everywhere except Venice). With regards, kate - Original Message - From: Susan B. Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:18c Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd recommend against the plastic route. At least against the plastic boning you can get at JoAnn's -- I'm pretty curvy and have had two types of trouble with the plastic stuff: (1) in the heat of wearing it (and possibly lacing tight enough so my chest stays put - I have about a 10 difference between ribcage and bust line - almost entirely in the front - the plastic melts into my curvy shape, rather then making me nicely tubular. (2) The ends of the plastic tweak and buckle something' awful (and they _hurt_ when they do it, too!). Thanks for that piece of advice. We have much the same problem -- I boned an Italian bodice with That Stuff, and found that those ends do indeed hurt where they decide to poke you -- and they *will* poke you ... I had never tried an Elizabethan, but I want to. Jerusha, filing away *very* useful information - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays
Thanks so much. I haven't seen that one before, and, yes, it surely does look like Eleanora. In 1999 I went to London with some friends. While there we attended a Study Day at the VA. It was originally intended to be lead by Janet Arnold, but she had passed away the previous autumn. So it turned into a kind of rememberance of her. Anyway, one of the curators from the Tate said that she was working gathering images of pregnant ladies for (I believe) a book. I'm pretty sure that it wasn't an exhibition. Has anyone heard or seen anything about this? Just curious. And thanks again, Susan. With regards, kate PS: Does anyone know if there is a publication date for Janet Arnold's book on underwear? That was one other thing that was discussed that day. - Original Message - From: Susan B. Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays Quoting Ailith Mackintosh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, please! I'd love to see possible Eleanor of Toledo. The tinyurl is the link to the same page . Well, it's definately Eleanora (I found this one on the web somewhere, and seem to have misplaced the information. If it's yours, please let me know) just look at that pregnant face ... http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/bronzinoFollower_EleanorToledo.jpg http://tinyurl.com/9fn48 and she certainly looks pregnant to me! Bianca Capello -- found this one on the web too http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/unNoted_BiancaCapello.jpg http://tinyurl.com/css6h Wife of John Thynne -- found this one on the web as well http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/english_WifeJohnThynne-euh02108.jpg http://tinyurl.com/b8vw9 Maegherita of Austria http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/gonzalez_MargheritaAustria.jpg http://tinyurl.com/8rqty The 2 by Marcus gheeraerts, I found here http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ArtistWorks?cgroupid=99961artistid=206 The Pearly Queen http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/T/T07/T07699_9.jpg and protrait of a woman in red http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/T/T03/T03456_9.jpg That last one is from 1620. Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays
Yes, please! I'd love to see possible Eleanor of Toledo. Thanks. kate - Original Message - From: Susan B. Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays Quoting Kathy Page [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gah! I think that's the one that that came to mind for me as well, she is literally covered in pearls, right? I did a quick search on Lady Burghley and couldn't find the painting. I'll have to do a little more digging. She however is an example of nobility, rather than middle class, which is where the focus of my efforts are. But.. it's a start. I know that there's a portrait of Lady Burghley in a very pregnant state wearing a kirtle and surcoat. I don't think that's the correct name for the covered in pearls painting; I couldn't find it under that name either. I've found about a half dozen or so paintings of pregnant women late in the SCA period -- including one that's just out of period. I can see about getting them posted somewhere if y'all are interested; one of them appears to be a pregnant Eleanor of Toledo! Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts
Take a small circle of fabric and do a running stitch around the edge; pull the thread tight til the circle made by the thread is about the circumferance of your little finger. Make sure that the raw edges are tucked in. Flatten. You have just made your first yo-yo. Make a jillon more and join them together (stitched at the 4 compass point where the yo-yo's touch). My Gran made one when I was a kid (sometime in the very early 60's). I rapidly grew to hate them! :-) kate PS: It was very pretty when it was placed over a white bedspread, but not so pretty that I feel moved to make one of my own! - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts At 15:07 24/01/2006, you wrote: My Mom passed away 3 years ago. In her stash, there were yo-yos. I made them into pillow tops at Christmas and a laptop quilt for my niece. I still had pieces, as well as yo-yos left, so now I have a stash of yo-yos and yo-yos to be. I knit charity items while watching TV, and sometimes, also stitch up a few yo-yos. I have collected photos of completed yo-yo bed quilts to guide me toward my final goal. O.K. Information please - what is a yo-yo quilt - not a term used here. But then quilting in the U.S is not quite the same at all, anyway! Suzi (wishing for an extra day this week!!) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] name that garment
I, too, have heard that men's hoods did not button, but last January, I went to an exhibit at the Cleveland Museum of Art. There was a Burgundian themed exhibit which had some small statues of monks/lay men with hoods/mantles. One of them was pulled up and you could see buttons that were on the front opening. Very cool and quite exciting! kate - Original Message - From: Genie Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] name that garment At 07:13 AM 12/3/2005, you wrote: http://slumberland.org/moodle/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=864 I'd like to know the name of the dark grey/white piece on the woman in the second photo. It covers her head and shoulders. I'd be interested in making something similar for modern wear, but I have no idea what it's called in order to look for other examples and/or patterns. thanks! Yes, as Ro and Sunny said, it is a hood/mantle. It kpredates the first picture in most paintings, and is usually seen on women. The ones without buttons are the ones seen on men. I think it has to do with the fact that a woman would not want to pull a hood over her hair, while a man would be less concerned with messing up his locks. Genie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda aFirenze1540-1580
I've seen the portrait!! It was the only reason that I made the 4 hour drive. What an adventure! We nearly got sucked up by a tornado. The car actually left the road for a brief period of time. Last year the Detroit Museum of Art was one of the stops in an exhibition featuring Medici art. She's nearly life-size and the bottom of the portrait was less than 2 feet off of the floor. I was on my knees in front of it making inarticulate sounds. The guards thought I'd lost my mind! ;-D It's a really odd combination. Her gown is black. The bodice is black and deep burgundy brocade; the upper sleeves and skirt are plain black. There's no trace of any kind of pattern in either the upper sleeves or the skirt. Her upper sleeves are ruched like those in the Panciatichi portrait. The lower sleeves are the same deep burgundy color as in the brocade of the bodice, though they are solid, not brocade. kate - Original Message - From: monica spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda aFirenze1540-1580 The lower sleeves are deep maroon in most of the repros I have seen. It is funny that so many color reproductions vary in quality from place to place. Anybody ever see the real portrait up close and personal? And BTW, the lower sleeves (which tie into the armhole BTW, on the Lucrezia Panciatichi gown are eggplant purple (aubergine). Makes for the possibility of interesting color combos for costumers who do early 16th C. Florentine... Dame Catriona MacDuff ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] a holliday idea
I think it would be fun, too. Count me in. kate ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Tales From the Green Valley
Unfortunately, most dvd's from other countries won't play on US machines. :-( kate - Original Message - From: Kahlara [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:56 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tales From the Green Valley OOps, sorry about that last message - hit the wrong key! I showed my FI the website with the write-ups about the series and lamented that I couldn't watch them. Without promting he went online and found this... http://www.choicesdirect.com/templates/product.asp?ProductGuid=671598CallerID=NKLK9042cm_ven=Kelkoo%20DVDscm_cat=nacm_pla=nacm_ite=NKLK9042 About $30.00 US. I imagine they would ship to other countries for a fee. Annette M ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 520
Yes, it's just $12 - $15 for the whole weekend. It's great that they found a place that is so inexpensive! Wish I could go... kate - Original Message - From: Kahlara [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 1:03 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 520 This sounds interesting and fun! Is it really just $12 - $15 for the whole weekend - plus what ever extra fees might be incurred by a particular class? Of course, just getting there is the big expense these days, isn't it? Annette M Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:36:06 -0500 From: Catherine Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] KWCS Update I don't know if any of the autocrats are on this list but since I haven't seen this posted yet: The registration fee for KWC/RS has changed, prices have been lowered. Also, the feast has been canceled. Please check the website for updates: http://www.dunard.org/KnownWorldCostuming/Index.htm They also still have some openings for classes so if you have been thinking about volunteering, now would be a good time :). For the non-SCA folks; this is an SCA sponsored Costume Symposium here in the states in October. While it is an SCA event, anyone interested in costuming is welcome to attend. Catherine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze and other costume sourcebooks
Laudomia's listed in my copy of the Pitti's catalog, not shown though. It's an older copy - I bought it about 5 years ago or so. I'm not home so I don't know the publication date. kate - Original Message - From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze and other costume sourcebooks From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] The new Uffizi Pitti Palace painting catalog. All the stuff. All color! *All* the stuff? Including Laudomia de'Medici? No, my treasure, the picture of Laudonia that's shown in Francois Boucher's book, lives in the Galleria Antichi e Moderna. Different museum. I thought that was at the Pitti, since it's catalogued at the end of the Pitti catalog my father in law brought back when he want to Italy (no pic, but the info is there). I even had the room and the inventory number (I put it somewhere *safe* so, of course, now I can't find it). I'll have to ask to see that catalog again next time I see him, and figure out if it's written as being somewhere else. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
