It could also be a fleam. Not quite the canonical, but with artistic
license... could be that or the aforementioned fire steel.
Picture is surely Norris.
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dress, outside in the daytime in the snow, without a coat? I haven't
watched Dr. Who.)
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Got a response!
I asked:
*Dear witchesbrewha,*
The red one looks rather different than the other picture; are the green
and white ones for sale also?
And received:
*Dear C,*
smaller ones are for sale, I will remove the picture is is confusing people.
- witchesbrewha
you resend? (Am
now very curious!)
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Oh, my! Yes, that is quite a difference. I in all innocence asked
her about the difference between the two images; I'll tell you if she
says anything. ;)
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the costumer continued the use of it for the film.
Conjecture, but might be reliable.
The book, should anyone be curious, is _Rude Mechanicals_ by Kage Baker
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I knew this wasn't _my_
like that in the stills, but it behaves rather oddly
when in motion.
Found one clip online which shows the costume just a bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGYghQtsumoNR=1
At 1:57, she comes from the left sadly, that's only about 1 second
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Suzi Clarke wrote:
I'm probably way off, but it looks like strips of cellophane to me -
easy to cut fringe on the edges of a sheet of it, cut a hole it the
top and wear it like a poncho - she's not still so it doesn't matter
about accuracy of cutting.
It does look like it, to be sure. But
parents'
old real-metal Christmas Tree icicles: heavy, shiny, soft.
Google searches have not turned up any details, alas.
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quite well without help, but I sewed them down for my
husband's houp (the blue damask one.)
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Linda Walton wrote:
if you persevere, you will find a review of the latest Janet Arnold
Patterns of Fashion book, which is just being published
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7689554.stm
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Ruth FW wrote:
I don't think you'll find anything to confirm that it's a wax cone; while
I've read that too, I've also read discussions in KMT, A Modern Journal of
Ancient Egypt (which tends to take a mixed scholarly/popular approach; the
articles are all footnoted) noting that the idea of what
Hi H-Cost!
In grade school, I was told that pictures like this
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/womena6.jpg showed ancient
Egyptian women with perfumed wax or fat on their heads, which melted
over the course of the evening, and smelled good.
It recently came to mind again, and I've
monica spence wrote:
It is called a scent cone. It is seen all over Egyptian art. It was wax with
a scent. It did melt, giving off a pleasant smell. (Kind of an Airwick solid
on your head.)
Monica
Fashion History teacher
Right -- that's what all the web sources and various books seem to say,
in this to do very, very
thorough research on the treatment of creative people and unconventional
people before responding to Ms. Abatzis.
Regards,
Cynthia Virtue
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Claire Clarke wrote:
This seems a little curious, given that this was the start of the Little Ice
Age, but then again, if one is wearing a houppelande why would one need
anything else? So my question to the list is - am I missing something
here? Can anyone point me to some examples of 15th
Yep, the average tunic is not made for those of us who are nonskinny!
The trapezoidal front and back panels are one good solution. Another is
to have side panels (the side gores/godets) which are not pointed, but
have a few inches across the top. They would start at the armhole,
still,
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Hi,
I just tried to join MEDTC-DISCUSS and I was denied. Any idea why the
moderator would be denying people?
Is the list only for a select few?
--Kathy
I got on, and I'm not select -- but be sure to put in a personal note if
it gives you a box for
I know we've discussed it some, but that was 7 or more years ago!
For those who are curious about more recent menstruation habits, there's
the online Museum of Menstruation: http://www.mum.org/
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I think you may have happened upon a server error or somesuch; it was
working fine this morning and is likewise this evening.
Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
The museum appears to have been closed.
On May 12, 2008, at 7:22 AM, Cynthia Virtue wrote:
I know we've discussed it some, but that was 7
Robin Netherton wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen a copy of the Planche edition of Strutt that was
hand-colored like these, but that doesn't mean this isn't one. It would make
me ill to think that this might be a 1796 Strutt taken apart and sold page by
page. Not so awful if it's the
Robin Netherton wrote:
Yes, I did not mean to imply that the Dragonbear site was responsible for
breaking up the book! The eBay story is explained on the index page there.
But
the edition date is not correct.
Not to worry; didn't think you were. I should have gone to reread the
I'm fairly sure it isn't medieval -- I can't think of an example which
shows a short skirt over a long one, although it should be noted that
*many* people making modern versions of medieval clothing wear them this
way*. I'd be very interested to hear if anyone on your other email
lists come
Are you treating the transparent kerchiefs at the neck of the circa-1400
era as something not-a-partlet-ancestor?
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After all these interesting tales of historical laundering, I asked my
mother what she remembers.
She was born in 1937; he father was an executive at the paper mill in
Old Town, Maine. She wrote:
My mother had a hired girl/woman who did all the personal stuff by hand
and then ironed the
Beteena Paradise wrote:
That might not be the best idea... by the time those things come off, they
often stink to high heaven. I recall one night many years ago when I placed my
broken hand near my face while sleeping and the stench woke me up. ;-)
LuAnn Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My
E House wrote: A bunch of great links.
I have some pictures and thoughts about related hairstyles at:
http://www.virtue.to/articles/crespinette.html
http://www.virtue.to/articles/easy_cauls.html
Includes some costumery level construction ideas. I know there are
other websites out there with
Suzi Clarke wrote:
A friend of mine is looking for the following book. Any ideas? She is
in the U.K. so Library searches in the U.K. are preferable, but she
would actually like to buy a copy.
Plucked, Shaved Braided: Medieval and Renaissance Beauty and
Grooming Practices 1000-1600
Hmm,
Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
Wouldnt the skits have more understructure? I forget what they wore
under them in this period but it seems they should be sticking out a
bit more.
There's an image at IMDB showing one woman in the foreground, with many
women sitting in the background. You can easily
Dawn wrote:
Hobby Lobby has some good deals from time to time, but they like to
tear the top of the envelope off when you buy them on sale. I can see
marking the envelope like Hancock's does, so it can't be returned for
full price, but the envelope flap often has important sizing
Melanie Schuessler wrote:
Some 15th-century hose were built with soles so one didn't need to
wear shoes. I don't know about 14th-century hose, but it's possible
that it was done that way earlier as well.
Yes. There was a christmas card sold by the Metropolitan several years
ago, which showed
Those hats are fun!
(Between all of us, though, I think a hat like those needs hair put up
to look best. But maybe I'm a throwback.)
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Jean Waddie wrote:
Just what I thought! How wonderful to have the photo as well - but
looking at the photo I would never have guessed the dress was bright red.
I seem to remember that when we only had black and white TV I was more
used to recognising colours from their shading - watching
MaggiRos wrote:
What's being asked for is (or should be)something like
this
http://www.curiousfrau.com/Art_Research/pouches.htm
I don't know anyone who makes them, although something
similar can be built on with a plain ring.
What a useful page -- thank you!
Here are the two that are in
Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote:
Another note,
The young gentleman in the foreground, dressed in yellow - is he
wearing womens shoes or is it his own?
Just that i se a big difference for the other gentlemans shoes, and
the yellow gentlemans shoes, looks very like the maids shoes on the
right.
The
A different age, to be sure! I suppose the servants would supply a
vessel and then take it off to the gardens or wherever to deal with it.
I am reminded of the Castillian (iirc) standard nativity figurine, of
the man relieving himself (don't know if those articles passed through
here this
-Bujold fans, I sent her the URL
back-when and said looking at this sort of grand house helped me
envision Vorkosigan House. She said it was just this sort of house she
had in mind for it, and she enjoyed looking at the costumes, too.
(Fangirl delight!)
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folds at the hem; the fur stopped a bit inside, just as if it were
edging. Now, whether or not this was artistic shorthand, I can't say.
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wear?
Go back to houppelandes for academics, that's what I say!
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Wow-could we get away with these at an 18th century gig?
Wouldn't you have to cover them with something else? And of course
remove the leopard-print bow. (Even modernly, the combination with red
paisley is hideous!)
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I'll know things have really gotten historical when we see those
broad-toed slased Henry 8 type shoes. I wouldn't put money on it, though.
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long.
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not dreadfully
uncomfortable.
I have a friend whose mother does not wear underwear, and is rubenesque.
My friend tells me that although her mom's thighs rub, since it's the
way she's always done things, the skin has toughened up a bit, and she
does not get chafing, even in hot weather.
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-lettered signs which say Eat More Chicken!
The calendars can be bought from the stores, directly, but no price savings.
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in about 4-5
months.
I don't doubt that it works for some women, but I'd be reluctant to
assume it was this way for a majority.
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Snow ants are of course snow white, and travel in huge packs, are quite
invisible against the snow. Usually, the only way to know they're
Dawn wrote:
otsisto wrote:
or this
http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/EMILIA1560.jpg
only a little more fitted in the bodice region.
What is that she is holding in her right hand? It looks like some part
of her coat. A belt? Or is she holding the hem up? Or is it something
intended to show the painting.
That would be my guess -- a tantalizing lead for the real painting.
What marvelous sleeves!
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Snow ants are of course snow white, and travel in huge packs, are quite
invisible against the snow. Usually, the only way to know they're nearby
is when moose disappear in a puff of white with a little spattering of
red. The Great Canadian
to York house, he was treated with
a banquet, that cost 200 pounds, as I was assured, c:..”
ftp://ftp.cac.psu.edu/pub/humanities/John_Evelyn/#Evelyn
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Snow ants are of course snow white, and travel in huge packs, are quite
invisible against the snow
Chris Laning wrote:
Commercial hook and eye tape usually has its hooks
spaced a bit too far apart for this, unfortunately.
I suppose you could run two layers of it, if the thickness weren't a
problem.
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Snow ants are of course snow white
, but with plexiglas. (Two 4-yr-olds increases the chaos factor
enough that it's worth a few bucks for the plastic!)
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-section. Which mostly gave it a slightly weird air, not
unreasonable in a Fantasy movie.
And I had a giggle at the elastic loop yardage glued on the inside of
Elrond's coronet, clearly for bobby pins or similar to anchor it on.
Inventive, if a little mystique-bursting!
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otsisto wrote:
For some reason my system doesn't access the pictures as only three pictures
show up and the rest are frames with a little box and red X in the upper
left hand corner.
Argh. It's not your system, it's my ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) editing program. Sorry.
It will be fixed in a few
characteristic of the
fabric/fur; perhaps a variation on ermine patterning.
Agreed.
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It's fixed for the second, and hopefully final, time. Sorry about that,
folks!
Its at http://www.virtue.to/articles/bells.html
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website, but I didn't see it. Providing my memory is accurate!
however, I think I found it via a discussion on this list some 6-7 years
ago, so searching at the archives on the filename might find more info.
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of the top...
Hair shampoo works fairly well as a first-pass; rub it in, wait a few
minutes, throw in the washer.
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to be all houps, although some are
the men's aren't my cheeks cute type of houp.
The Museum of London Dress Accessories book has a number of citations,
and you could check Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince for earlier.
(Although I think I have looked there and found no bells.)
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that they
were open on the center front, but held closed somehow.
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of this
time, most notably the Tres Riches Heures.
http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/images/aria/sk/z/sk-c-1454.z
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otsisto wrote:
So could the undergarment be exposed, used like a outer gown and the
houppelande used like a coat?
I'm quite sure that most of the time a houppelande was like a coat, or
maybe a sweater (jumper to you in the UK.) There was at least one outer
gown under there, of several
if they didn't have specific clothing, there would have
been supplies and skill of some level.
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Mathematics and Advanced Supercomputing
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colors
Celtic
Gown. It was a brown tunic without gores -- just straight sides.
Those Medieval Amish, those jokers!
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Lavolta Press wrote:
They are called spline curves, and you can get them in a number of
lengths at big art stores, including lengths over 12 inches. Not
necessarily with a ruler built in though.
This is a job for Felt-tipped Marker Woman!
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as I
think of it. The Bronzino example looks more like a straight band with
half-circle bumps off of it, alternating sides, rather than a wave shape.
It's very interesting, though.
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Then to the King's Theatre, where we saw Midsummer's Night's
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Then to the King's Theatre, where we saw Midsummer's Night's Dream,
which I had never seen before, nor shall ever again, for it is the most
insipid ridiculous play
for these things, but I think the carpet sweeper
may be a better solution if you don't want to get a new vacuum. (And if
you do, check Consumer Reports first.)
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Then to the King's Theatre, where we saw Midsummer's Night's Dream,
which I had never seen
in the clothes.
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Then to the King's Theatre, where we saw Midsummer's Night's Dream,
which I had never seen before, nor shall ever again, for it is the most
insipid ridiculous play that ever I saw in my life. -- Samuel Pepys, 1662
of the
clothing.
Other sources call it the white wedding although it doesn't seem to be
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Then to the King's Theatre, where we saw Midsummer's Night's Dream,
which I had never seen before, nor shall ever again, for it is the most
insipid
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myths can at
least be found to have roots in real events (although, apparently, not
the 'Betsy Ross made the flag' one, last I heard.)
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Now that the 20th century is over, what do you think the big clothing
thing will be that defines it? Y'knowwhat quality will it be known for, you
think? What garment?
Denim jeans would be my vote.
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Such virtue
What about some of the early polar explorer type of clothing, done up
in Santa colors?
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Met, these days. The Met has a lot of images online in their image bank.
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as son as he found out that Louisiana had oil. -- Jay Leno
considered writing a book? If The Nanny Diaries can be a
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Penny Ladnier wrote:
I too have stitched several actors into their costumes before going on
stage. You do want you can in a hurry.
... and it's a lot better than superglue and staples.
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jordana robinson wrote:
from his attempt to iron the collar of his shirt while he was wearing
it.
I actually watched a person try to drive with one of those cardboard
windshield sun things still on the car. He/She had bent down a corner
to peer out.
Penny Ladnier wrote:
I am guilty of stapling a hem when an actor needs to get on stage real
quick.
I was trying to be amusing -- sorry it wasn't clear.
But don't staples really mess up the fabric? Pulls and such?
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Cin wrote:
Whalebone is not bone, it's baleen.
Right. But whales have actual *bones* too - were these ever used for
things?
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regular in size, and thin, due
to the job they do for the whale. I could easily understand if
different sections of the baleen have different properties, though, and
maybe the ladle handles could have been made out of a thicker section,
or actual bones?
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is more serious than a brochure on constructing a beginning T-tunic
just to look acceptable at events.
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Such virtue hath my
catalog descriptions. Storm as a color name, for example.
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accomplished she was with medieval
costuming to a clerk, and she needed a particular sort of frilly lace
fabric for one of these projects.
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It stressed the negative effects of long hair on human intelligence
development, noting that long hair consumes
to be serious or silly. As a
result, it got fairly crazy, and some people clearly thought it was
let's be as unhelpfully critical as possible, for fun.
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It stressed the negative effects of long hair on human intelligence
development, noting
mad scientists. I'll be interested to hear if
anyone comes up with a ready-made source.
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About 1/4 of men and 1/6 of women leave a bathroom without washing their
hands. So wash! And use soap. Just rinsing doesnÕt help, and in fact it
hurts; wet
://halfass.com/images/madman.jpg
GG version:
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I don't know if these are what Susan is thinking of, though.
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About 1/4 of men and 1/6 of women leave a bathroom without washing their
hands. So wash
Mad science mouse:
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Oh, *that* jacket! I don't think I've ever seen one in the flesh. I'd
think
that the chef's jacket would be a good place to start for making one
though.
And would be dandy as-is for a nearly-right costume, if someone
with mad
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About 1/4 of men and 1/6 of women leave a bathroom without washing their
hands. So wash! And use soap. Just rinsing doesnÕt help, and in fact it
hurts; wet hands are a great place for breeding more bacteria. -- The
Bad
are the particular fitting problems you see? Might be useful to
point them out specifically. My biggest annoyance is people putting the
armscye halfway down their upper arm.
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Such virtue hath my pen -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81
I knew
I've heard people rant about not calling tunics-with-gores/godets
T-Tunics but I'm not sure why. The top is shaped like a T, even if
the skirt area spreads out. Could someone enlighten me?
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Such virtue hath my pen -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81
Marc Carlson wrote:
Let's first establish what a tunic is: according to the Oxford
Mnglish Dictionary and Middle English Dictionary, a Tunic (for the
middle ages at least) is A garment resembling a shirt or a gown, worn
by both sexes among the Greeks and Romans (OED), In Old English and
means New Zealand, I'd guess?
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that is square-rigged except for a
fore-and-aft mainsail
Main Entry: brig·an·dine
Pronunciation: 'bri-gn-dEn
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from brigand
: medieval body armor of scales or plates
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