Well I have no idea about judging, because we don't have contests here.
But period correct fabrics are more than available (easily), like fulled
wools, (admittedly I do live near several of the best wool mills in Europe),
and flat felled seams are just as easy as french on a sewing
On May 9, 2009, at 8:11 AM, debloughcostu...@aol.com wrote:
But period correct fabrics are more than available (easily), like
fulled wools, (admittedly I do live near several of the best wool
mills in Europe),
Must be nice! :-)
It's all a matter of compromise — the correct
individuals learn and make their own compromises. There may be
a conflict of technique vs. the overall look — the machine French seam with
the non-offensive exterior appearance.
Judges of competitions have a difficult job of determining which
compromise is better than another,
One difficulty is that cloth was fulled much better in various historic
periods than what's available now. There are some fulled fabrics available,
but more expensive. Anyway, as pointed out earlier, sometimes raw edges are
appropriate.
For a recreation in competition, I personally would
Judges of competitions have a difficult job of determining
which compromise is better than another, not to mention comparing
work portraying different time periods!
On May 9, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Käthe Barrows wrote:
Don't start thinking one period is compared to another period in
I didn't say the time periods were compared in that sense. I said the
work.
Good. I guess I misunderstood. Some people do make that mistake, and avoid
entering if they think their entire period isn't good enough.
In periods where there is either little costume book information, often
1) It was great!
2) What the H stands for is obvious to me! ;P
Henry W. Osier
Chairman, Costume-Con 28
May 7 to May 10, 2010
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At 01:58 PM 5/8/2009, you wrote:
One difficulty is that cloth was fulled much better in various
historic periods than what's available now. There are some fulled
fabrics available, but more expensive. Anyway, as pointed out
earlier, sometimes raw edges are appropriate.
So what
And note, there is no right way to achieve your compensation. In your
example, I could also see binding all the seam edges and then flat-felling
the seams. You could also zig-zag stitch or even serge the edges as well.
None of these techniques would be any better than the others. The
You wrote:
--The worst thing we judges saw, in Workmanship, was unfinished raw edges
with loose threads fraying out of them. I think about half of what we saw
had this problem, and it didn't gain anybody points. (That said, my own
seam finish isn't always that great unless I think a
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Subject: Re: [h-cost] CC27 historical judge talks about workmanship
andhistorical interpretation
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:09:54 +1000
You wrote:
--The worst thing we judges saw, in Workmanship, was unfinished raw edges
with loose threads fraying out of them. I think about half of what we
Of course, there are periods where a raw edge is more authentic than
finished edges.
You're absolutely right, except we didn't see anything from those periods,
only from the ones where seam finish was common. But if you'd documented
the lack of seam finish, and if your other hand-sewing was
On May 8, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Käthe Barrows wrote:
Of course, there are periods where a raw edge is more authentic
than finished edges.
But if you'd documented the lack of seam finish, and if your other
hand-sewing was good, the lack of seam finish would have looked
deliberate, not like
Yeah, I'm the type of person that trolls through the books looking for the
correct period seams and uses what I've found as a mix throughout the
clothing I'm doing. I took 6 years to work out how I should do my 7th
century Anglo-Saxon cloak, out of a beautiful natural grey warp and deep red
weft
If your fabric is finished, your seam does not have to be.
In other words, if the fabric doesn't fray. But it's a finishing type that you
can pretty much only get on wool--or polyester bathrobe fleece (loved that
bathrobe for years . . .).
If your as-accurate-as-you-can-make-it Anglo-Saxon
On Friday 08 May 2009 2:58:59 pm Carol Kocian wrote:
On May 8, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Käthe Barrows wrote:
Of course, there are periods where a raw edge is more authentic
than finished edges.
But if you'd documented the lack of seam finish, and if your other
hand-sewing was good, the lack of
A raw edge is one thing; a seam with loose threads hanging off of it is
another. *That* sort of seam is not period for Anglo-Saxon; clothing took too
many resources (both of material and person power) to make for it to be
tolerable to create shoddy clothing.
Edges shedding loose threads is
Workmanship, one of the three inter-related aspects of a costume, is how
well the garments are constructed.
Myth - Hand sewing beats machine sewing.
Reality - Ugly hand sewing is an embarrassment, both to the judges and to
the costume maker. It doesn't say good things about your sewing skill.
At 05:42 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote:
Do I need compulsive documentation?
No. If you don't have any documentation, and if you're doing a period the
judges know a lot about anyway (or is commonly done), and if your
presentation is good and your construction is right up there, you stand a
chance to
Every set of historical judges will be different, but without your docs they
can't tell how well you did, and they'd just be guessing how well you knew
your stuff.
Do I need compulsive documentation?
No. If you don't have any documentation, and if you're doing a period the
judges know a lot
On May 7, 2009, at 2:19 AM, Käthe Barrows wrote:
What if the judges don't like my historical period?
This shouldn't matter if they're honest. Case in point, all three
of us
judges gagged when we saw that someone was entering that 1959 Dior
outfit.
We' were all old enough to have developed
On May 7, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Heather Rose Jones wrote:
It's probably bad manners to say this on the list rather than
privately, but I'm a bit concerned for what the lurkers might think
if this isn't responded to.
No, it's really not bad manners.
If that had been something I entered, I would
that, but
it was the best.
Kathleen Norvell
-Original Message-
From: Andrew T Trembley attre...@bovil.com
To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com
Sent: Thu, 7 May 2009 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: [h-cost] CC27 historical judge talks about workmanship and
historical interpretation
On May 7
Sorry. I guess people couldn't see how much I was laughing when I wrote it
- the entrant saw our actual reaction at the time. IIRC, the entrant
laughed *with us* when we said all this in front of her, so I didn't think
she'd be offended when I said it again. (If she was offended, I'll
apologize
I was going to write something about presentation, but now I'm going
to let someone else write it. I apologize to all the people who I
promised this article to.
--
Carolyn Kayta Barrows
--
Blank paper is God's way of saying it ain't so easy being God.
--
I'm really sorry that you're not going to write it. I really enjoyed the first
two parts you wrote.
Claudine
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From: Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com
To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 7:45:45 PM
Subject: [h-cost] CC27 historical
Your call. Thank you for providing your perspective with the first two articles.
Kimiko
--- On Thu, 5/7/09, Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com
Subject: [h-cost] CC27 historical judge talks about presentation
To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com
Hi Kayta,
May I put your article on my website? I think it was very well done, and a good
resource for historical costumers.
Happy sewing,
Deb Salisbury
The Mantua-Maker
Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns
Renaissance to Victorian
Now available:
Sure.
BTW, if you're the same Deb Salisbury who designed the wizard tabard I wore
in Costume Maker's Art, now my 21-year-old has started making one.
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker
d...@mantua-maker.com wrote:
Hi Kayta,
May I put your article on my website? I
I was a historical judge at CC27, and I think I promised somebody a judge's
eye view report afterward. In addition, as I told the contestants and
audience Sunday night, I will answer specific questions on the results. The
first is the perennial question about entering in the first place.
Why
Thanks so much for taking the time to explicate. This was my first
CostumeCon. Don't know when, or if, I will go to another, but am toying with
the
idea of entering the historical masquerade, if I do attend another.
Ann Wass
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I've got at least two more parts of this, one on workmanship and
another on presentation. With all the help I got when I was a
complete newbie, it's at least time I gave some back.
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:26 PM, annbw...@aol.com wrote:
Thanks so much for taking the time to explicate. This
Quoting Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com:
I've got at least two more parts of this, one on workmanship and
another on presentation. With all the help I got when I was a
complete newbie, it's at least time I gave some back.
I can't wait to see the rest of it -- I've already printed the first
I'm not the ultimate right answer, and the exact rules change
slightly with every masquerade. But I'll be spending time on those
other parts tonight.
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com wrote:
Quoting Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com:
I've got at least two more
Quoting Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com:
I'm not the ultimate right answer, and the exact rules change
slightly with every masquerade. But I'll be spending time on those
other parts tonight.
It looks to me like it would be useful in all areas of competition --
not just the Costume Con
It looks to me like it would be useful in all areas of competition -- not
just the Costume Con Msquerade.
I've done a little F/SF judging and I agree. The F/SF masquerade
often requires research, always requires presentation, and sometimes
also has a workmanship judge.
Is it always the same
Quoting Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com:
It looks to me like it would be useful in all areas of competition -- not
just the Costume Con Msquerade.
I've done a little F/SF judging and I agree. The F/SF masquerade
often requires research, always requires presentation, and sometimes
also has a
Go next year Susan, I am. And I would love to meet you. Go here for more info.
http://www.cc28.org/
Kimiko
Who still has to buy a membership, but I am going.
--- On Wed, 5/6/09, Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com wrote:
I've never been -- but just reading all the journal entries
makes me
Becky Rautine wrote:
What is the H for? I know some kind of badge...why an H?What does the H
stans for?
Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine
H-costume list! H is for Historic.
-Judy Mitchell
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H-costume list! H is for Historic.?
Ah, shucks--no Hester Prynne jokes?
Ann Wass
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From: Judy Mitchell judymi...@theoldforest.net
To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com
Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 8:57 am
Subject: Re: [h-cost] CC27
Becky Rautine wrote:?
What
annbw...@aol.com wrote:
H-costume list! H is for Historic.?
Ah, shucks--no Hester Prynne jokes?
Ann Wass
Ann, if you'd like to wear a fancy embroidered Scarlet H... I'm sure
we'd be happy to look amusedly askance at your shame(lessness) G
-Judy Mitchell
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From: Judy Mitchell judymi...@theoldforest.net
To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com
Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 9:11 am
Subject: Re: [h-cost] CC27
annbw...@aol.com wrote:?
H-costume list! H is for Historic.??
Ah, shucks--no Hester Prynne jokes??
Ann Wass?
?
? Ann, if you'd like to wear
Only if you're Cockney--and pronounce it H-adultery.
:-)
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Behalf Of annbw...@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 6:04 AM
To: h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] CC27
H-costume list! H
I'll be at CC27 this year. I will be lecturing on the history of
sewing patterns at 9 AM on Saturday and hosting a Hairspray party at 4
PM also on Saturday.
I hope to see h-costume folks there. I will be rooming with my Evil
Twin Skippy - Cin Barnes who is an active member of H-costume.
Dear List,
I'm going to check out Costume Con this year, since it is nearby.? As I've
never been, what will list members be wearing as ID?
Ann Wass
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Where is it this year?
Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine
To: h-cost...@indra.com
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:42:24 -0400
From: annbw...@aol.com
Subject: [h-cost] CC27
Dear List,
I'm going to check out Costume Con this year, since it is nearby.? As I've
never been, what will list members
Where is it this year?
Timonium, which is just north of Baltmore, Maryland, near the Maryland State
Fairgrounds.
Ann Wass
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From: Becky Rautine zearti...@hotmail.com
To: h-cost...@indra.com
Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: [h-cost] CC27
here
annbw...@aol.com wrote:
Dear List,
I'm going to check out Costume Con this year, since it is nearby.? As I've
never been, what will list members be wearing as ID?
Some people may have their Big Red H's left from previous years. I'm
hoping to remember the neat one that Robin Netherton gave
Judy Mitchell wrote:
annbw...@aol.com wrote:
Dear List,
I'm going to check out Costume Con this year, since it is nearby.? As
I've never been, what will list members be wearing as ID?
Some people may have their Big Red H's left from previous years. I'm
hoping to remember the neat one
So sounds like I should contrive some kind of red H, eh?
Ann Wass
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annbw...@aol.com wrote:
So sounds like I should contrive some kind of red H, eh?
Ann Wass
That's been the standard for the last few years at conventions (or
anywhere that uses badges). Some sort of red H.
-Judy Mitchell
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What is the H for? I know some kind of badge...why an H?What does the H
stans for?
Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:24:33 -0400
From: judymi...@theoldforest.net
To: h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] CC27
annbw...@aol.com wrote:
So sounds like I should
(reposted from ICG-D)
This is a friendly reminder that there are just over two weeks left to the
deadline for the Costume-Con 27 Fashion Design contest. Rules are on the
CC27
site here:
http://www.costume-con.com/cc27/future_fashion_folio.htm
You do NOT have to be a member of the convention
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