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I agree that 2 looks Scottish. I've never seen Robin Hood portrayed wearing a kilt! Yes. and the man on the right is playing a bagpipe. The crossed swords under his feet make it a sword dance. 7 looked to me more Australian Aborigine than African, with the heavy beards and the body paint. I thought so too! I've forgotten which number, but the one that says Asian women and two men, the word Siam for the dancers jumped into my head. Denise ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I looked at the pictures before reading other people's comments. I agree that 2 looks Scottish. I've never seen Robin Hood portrayed wearing a kilt! The headdresses in 4 reminded me of ancient Cretan art. 7 looked to me more Australian Aborigine than African, with the heavy beards and the body paint. Kate Bunting Cataloguing Data Quality Librarian University of Derby ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Penny, I glanced at the lovely ceiling pictures. This is my favorite era. Wow! What a treat to have seen them in real life. I'm going to opine on the America social dances, merely because I run with a crowd of historic dance fans. #18 that cute pink flapper could represent most any of the wilder jazz age dances like charleston, black bottom or very early shag. #19 ragtime again, with more elegance - while it looks like waltz, could represent the american born animal trots. The only one we remember anymore is foxtrot, but there were zillions of them, such as the squirrel trot, snake dip, horse trot, camel walk, and grizzly bear. Think Crene Vernon Castle styling as seen in the original Whirl of Life. This one might also represent the tango, a South American dance, but brought to Paris then the US by the Castles around 1912. Someone who isnt a dance historian might mistake the ragtime tango for an American innovation. #20 American contradance - again, think 20s dance scholarship. You can hear American called quadrilles contra on many early recordings. #21 I'm stumped. Mazur, Polka, Waltz, Schottische are all of foreign origin. There are America choreographies for the 1840s thru Civil War, but nothing truly and uniquely American. They seem too well dressed for a hoe down or barn dance. Philadelpia Hop Waltz comes to mind, but these dancers are 50+ years out of fashion, IIRC. The American innovations would be the fretted dulcimer banjo, but I'm not enough of a music scholar to tell you when these appeared in a posh dance setting. Cant help you with the other folk dances. Not my cup of tea, --cin Message: 8 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 05:17:48 -0400 From: Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes To: h-costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I need help...please! I am so much out of my comfort zone. I have a slideshow online of the ballroom ceiling of the Ringling's Ca d'Zan Mansion in Sarasota, Florida. The ceiling is called Dancers of the World. There are 17 hand-painted medallions of cultural dancers. I need help with what countries and dances represented in the medallions. These were painted in the 1920s exclusively for the mansion by children's book illustrator / Broadway costume and set designer, William Andrew Willy Pogany. He was also a designer for the Zeigfeld Follies. He was friends with John and Mabel Ringling, the mansion's owner. He painted the medallions in his NYC studio and then applied them to the ballroom ceiling in Florida. I also need help with the photos 18-21. The curator said that these were titled Four Corners of American-born Dances. He told me that photos 18 19 dates represented but I can't recall the dances. I am not really sure that I have the dates correct for photos 20 21. And again, do not recall the dances. I had one hour to photograph the ballroom ceiling because I was running out of time and had to photograph around tour groups. This is a popular area of the mansion and is one of the first areas that the tour groups access. I didn't even have time to take notes. When I was photographing this room, I had a couple of hours before catching my flight home. I spent a week photographing other areas of the museum. Thankfully the photos turned out good. If you are able to answer my questions, please refer to the photo number on the slideshow headers in your answer. The slideshow can be seen at http://www.costumegallery.info/ . Please make sure to use .INFO and not .COM . When you go to the slideshow, make sure to click on the enlarged view...it looks like the number 7 on the right side of the menu. Many, many thanks in advance for your help. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Oh, my. Tastes in art have certainly changed over the last 100 years... ;-) Here's my take on the countries: #1 - ancient Greece; #4 - Aztec; #5 - Bali (Indonesia?); #7 - Aboriginal Australia; #8 - North Africa; #14 - Hungary; #15 - Italy (Sicily?); #17 - Czech or Slovak (or Bohemian, if that's the term they used in the 1920s). I'd also add that #9 is of course *ancient* Egypt, and I'm not seeing Turkish in #11 but I don't know *what* it is [might be some strange version of India]. And #6 could be Swiss...? As far as as the dances go, my first reactions were: tango, waltz, minuet, schottische or polka. But I'm no expert -- and none of those are American-born so I don't know what the artist was getting at. Your photos did turn out well! It must have been frustrating working around all the people but you got some good images. Good luck with the titles, and let us know how it turns out. Suzanne On Apr 5, 2008, at 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: April 5, 2008 4:17:48 AM CDT To: h-costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes Reply-To: Historical Costume h-costume@mail.indra.com I need help...please! I am so much out of my comfort zone. I have a slideshow online of the ballroom ceiling of the Ringling's Ca d'Zan Mansion in Sarasota, Florida. The ceiling is called Dancers of the World. There are 17 hand-painted medallions of cultural dancers. I need help with what countries and dances represented in the medallions. These were painted in the 1920s exclusively for the mansion by children's book illustrator / Broadway costume and set designer, William Andrew Willy Pogany. He was also a designer for the Zeigfeld Follies. He was friends with John and Mabel Ringling, the mansion's owner. He painted the medallions in his NYC studio and then applied them to the ballroom ceiling in Florida. I also need help with the photos 18-21. The curator said that these were titled Four Corners of American-born Dances. He told me that photos 18 19 dates represented but I can't recall the dances. I am not really sure that I have the dates correct for photos 20 21. And again, do not recall the dances. I had one hour to photograph the ballroom ceiling because I was running out of time and had to photograph around tour groups. This is a popular area of the mansion and is one of the first areas that the tour groups access. I didn't even have time to take notes. When I was photographing this room, I had a couple of hours before catching my flight home. I spent a week photographing other areas of the museum. Thankfully the photos turned out good. If you are able to answer my questions, please refer to the photo number on the slideshow headers in your answer. The slideshow can be seen at http://www.costumegallery.info/ . Please make sure to use .INFO and not .COM . When you go to the slideshow, make sure to click on the enlarged view...it looks like the number 7 on the right side of the menu. Many, many thanks in advance for your help. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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My take on the pictures is: 13 is definately Russian, look at his shirt - proto-typical of Russian historical shirts. I have seen sleeveless over pieces like hers on historical documents/ pictures. Most likely worn during the 'hot' summer days. 14 appears to be from the Tartar Mountain region of Poland, look at the man's boots and pants. Her outfit is like many different regional variations, however the lace sleeves and the flower on the apron is NOT at all period to any time/ area (accept for modern 20th Century 'dancing' outfits made for the tourists) Katheryne who has been researching 12thC Polish female outfits - Original Message - From: Schaeffer, Astrida I'm thinking #14 would be more Hungarian than Polish-- I've never seen such aprons on a Polish costume-- But in truth I fear the task will be made that much more difficult by the liberties taken by the artist. For example the red strapless front-lace bustier garment in #14 is sheer invention... My guesses: snippage 13 definitely Russia 14 generic Slavic or Hungarian (not sure Polish would have been depictedas a nation Poland had just come out of over a century of non-existence, though it did briefly exist again as a sovereign nation in the 20s so maybe it was in vogue...) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Having -danced- in Tatra Mountain costume, I can say #14 is not that... ; ) For one thing, the women of the region don't wear red boots, they wear leather slippers (with a really cool one-piece construction where the strip of leather than laces the flat piece of leather into a shoe shape is actually cut as part of the shoe, it's still attached...) Men wear similar leather shoes, not the boots the man in the painting wears. If anything, this might be an interpretation of the costumes worn in the Krakow area (which is the stereotypical costume most often worn in the country to represent Poland). But distinctive parts of Krakow costume are missing for the man-- namely red and white striped pants, and peacock feathers in the hat. Her red boots would work for Krakow, her flower/ribbon headdress would. As I said before, though, the apron is unlike anything I've seen, and her bodice is fantasy. There should be shoulder straps! *** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery, University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824-3538 603-862-0310 FAX: 603-862-2191 www.unh.edu/art-gallery *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 4/6/2008 7:43 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes My take on the pictures is: 13 is definately Russian, look at his shirt - proto-typical of Russian historical shirts. I have seen sleeveless over pieces like hers on historical documents/ pictures. Most likely worn during the 'hot' summer days. 14 appears to be from the Tartar Mountain region of Poland, look at the man's boots and pants. Her outfit is like many different regional variations, however the lace sleeves and the flower on the apron is NOT at all period to any time/ area (accept for modern 20th Century 'dancing' outfits made for the tourists) Katheryne who has been researching 12thC Polish female outfits - Original Message - From: Schaeffer, Astrida I'm thinking #14 would be more Hungarian than Polish-- I've never seen such aprons on a Polish costume-- But in truth I fear the task will be made that much more difficult by the liberties taken by the artist. For example the red strapless front-lace bustier garment in #14 is sheer invention... My guesses: snippage 13 definitely Russia 14 generic Slavic or Hungarian (not sure Polish would have been depictedas a nation Poland had just come out of over a century of non-existence, though it did briefly exist again as a sovereign nation in the 20s so maybe it was in vogue...) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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minuet, A couple of people have suggested minuet for that image, and that may be what the artist had in mind.? However, I don't believe a true minuet involved that kind of arm motion--it looks to me like an old version of the allamande from a longways country dance.? It seems reminiscent of an actual period image I've seen, but I can't put my finger on it. Ann Wass -Original Message- From: Suzanne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 1:03 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes Oh, my. Tastes in art have certainly changed over the last 100 years... ;-) Here's my take on the countries: #1 - ancient Greece; #4 - Aztec; #5 - Bali (Indonesia?); #7 - Aboriginal Australia; #8 - North Africa; #14 - Hungary; #15 - Italy (Sicily?); #17 - Czech or Slovak (or Bohemian, if that's the term they used in the 1920s). I'd also add that #9 is of course *ancient* Egypt, and I'm not seeing Turkish in #11 but I don't know *what* it is [might be some strange version of India]. And #6 could be Swiss...? As far as as the dances go, my first reactions were: tango, waltz, minuet, schottische or polka. But I'm no expert -- and none of those are American-born so I don't know what the artist was getting at. Your photos did turn out well! It must have been frustrating working around all the people but you got some good images. Good luck with the titles, and let us know how it turns out. Suzanne On Apr 5, 2008, at 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: April 5, 2008 4:17:48 AM CDT To: h-costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes Reply-To: Historical Costume h-costume@mail.indra.com I need help...please! I am so much out of my comfort zone. I have a slideshow online of the ballroom ceiling of the Ringling's Ca d'Zan Mansion in Sarasota, Florida. The ceiling is called Dancers of the World. There are 17 hand-painted medallions of cultural dancers. I need help with what countries and dances represented in the medallions. These were painted in the 1920s exclusively for the mansion by children's book illustrator / Broadway costume and set designer, William Andrew Willy Pogany. He was also a designer for the Zeigfeld Follies. He was friends with John and Mabel Ringling, the mansion's owner. He painted the medallions in his NYC studio and then applied them to the ballroom ceiling in Florida. I also need help with the photos 18-21. The curator said that these were titled Four Corners of American-born Dances. He told me that photos 18 19 dates represented but I can't recall the dances. I am not really sure that I have the dates correct for photos 20 21. And again, do not recall the dances. I had one hour to photograph the ballroom ceiling because I was running out of time and had to photograph around tour groups. This is a popular area of the mansion and is one of the first areas that the tour groups access. I didn't even have time to take notes. When I was photographing this room, I had a couple of hours before catching my flight home. I spent a week photographing other areas of the museum. Thankfully the photos turned out good. If you are able to answer my questions, please refer to the photo number on the slideshow headers in your answer. The slideshow can be seen at http://www.costumegallery.info/ . Please make sure to use .INFO and not .COM . When you go to the slideshow, make sure to click on the enlarged view...it looks like the number 7 on the right side of the menu. Many, many thanks in advance for your help. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes
I need help...please! I am so much out of my comfort zone. I have a slideshow online of the ballroom ceiling of the Ringling's Ca d'Zan Mansion in Sarasota, Florida. The ceiling is called Dancers of the World. There are 17 hand-painted medallions of cultural dancers. I need help with what countries and dances represented in the medallions. These were painted in the 1920s exclusively for the mansion by children's book illustrator / Broadway costume and set designer, William Andrew Willy Pogany. He was also a designer for the Zeigfeld Follies. He was friends with John and Mabel Ringling, the mansion's owner. He painted the medallions in his NYC studio and then applied them to the ballroom ceiling in Florida. I also need help with the photos 18-21. The curator said that these were titled Four Corners of American-born Dances. He told me that photos 18 19 dates represented but I can't recall the dances. I am not really sure that I have the dates correct for photos 20 21. And again, do not recall the dances. I had one hour to photograph the ballroom ceiling because I was running out of time and had to photograph around tour groups. This is a popular area of the mansion and is one of the first areas that the tour groups access. I didn't even have time to take notes. When I was photographing this room, I had a couple of hours before catching my flight home. I spent a week photographing other areas of the museum. Thankfully the photos turned out good. If you are able to answer my questions, please refer to the photo number on the slideshow headers in your answer. The slideshow can be seen at http://www.costumegallery.info/ . Please make sure to use .INFO and not .COM . When you go to the slideshow, make sure to click on the enlarged view...it looks like the number 7 on the right side of the menu. Many, many thanks in advance for your help. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Mostly questions. Curious about the other pictures. is there a specific dance for them as I can see that picture 2 is a Scottish sword dance. Picture 10 is Plains, Lakota but what they are doing don't look like anything I have seen. 18- looks like fox trot 19- Lindy hop? 20- Square dance? which was an American spinoff of the cotillion or perhaps a Virginia Reel. 21- (specific) Polka? 17 looks to be Swiss or Norweigian anyone know for sure which? 14, is that Baverian or Ukraine? what is 5? the angle makes it difficult to see, Balinese? Thank you, De -Original Message- I also need help with the photos 18-21. The curator said that these were titled Four Corners of American-born Dances. He told me that photos 18 19 dates represented but I can't recall the dances. I am not really sure that I have the dates correct for photos 20 21. And again, do not recall the dances. I had one hour to photograph the ballroom ceiling because I was running out of time and had to photograph around tour groups. This is a popular area of the mansion and is one of the first areas that the tour groups access. I didn't even have time to take notes. When I was photographing this room, I had a couple of hours before catching my flight home. I spent a week photographing other areas of the museum. Thankfully the photos turned out good. If you are able to answer my questions, please refer to the photo number on the slideshow headers in your answer. The slideshow can be seen at http://www.costumegallery.info/ . Please make sure to use .INFO and not .COM . When you go to the slideshow, make sure to click on the enlarged view...it looks like the number 7 on the right side of the menu. Many, many thanks in advance for your help. Penny Ladnier, ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Interestingand beautiful! Number 18...well the quintessential dance of the 20's is the Charlestonby today's recollection. But the Fox Trot was danced more at the time and these dancers don't look like they're doing the Charleston. The couple in number 19 look teens to me so maybe it's a 2-Step or a Rag. However they look like they're waltzing. I don't think the poses in the paintings are very accurate in representing the steps of a particular dance. The Virginia Reel is indeed a colonial dance so that may be what they have in mind for number 20. Now the 19th century couple could be doing anything the Hippy Hippy Shake Shake. From what I know there is a huge surge in dances with the coming of the middle class. Maybe it's some Round Dance, or the Boston Waltz. But of course the Waltz nor the Polka originate in America. **Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes
De4ar Penny, Here's a few more guesses to throw in the ring. #4 - looks Aztec or Mayan from the headdresses. #14 - Hungarian or perhaps Polish? (taking it from the woman's red boots) #15 - Greek? #17 - French ? Briitany? #20? 1770-1790 - this is supposed to be depicting AMERICAN dancing?? This is after our Revolution and I don't thing anyone in America would have been looking like this.? Perhaps a European court doing a minuet? Anyway, there's my two cents with guessing. Hope it can help some. Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 05:17:48 -0400 From: Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes I need help...please! I am so much out of my comfort zone. I have a slideshow online of the ballroom ceiling of the Ringling's Ca d'Zan Mansion in Sarasota, Florida. The ceiling is called Dancers of the World. There are 17 hand-painted medallions of cultural dancers. I need help with what countries and dances represented in the medallions. These were painted in the 1920s exclusively for the mansion by children's book illustrator / Broadway costume and set designer, William Andrew Willy Pogany. He was also a designer for the Zeigfeld Follies. He was friends with John and Mabel Ringling, the mansion's owner. He painted the medallions in his NYC studio and then applied them to the ballroom ceiling in Florida. I also need help with the photos 18-21. The curator said that these were titled Four Corners of American-born Dances. He told me that photos 18 19 dates represented but I can't recall the dances. I am not really sure that I have the dates correct for photos 20 21. And again, do not recall the dances. If you are able to answer my questions, please refer to the photo number on the slideshow headers in your answer. The slideshow can be seen at http://www.costumegallery.info/ . Please make sure to use .INFO and not .COM . When you go to the slideshow, make sure to click on the enlarged view...it looks like the number 7 on the right side of the menu. Many, many thanks in advance for your help. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I'm thinking #14 would be more Hungarian than Polish-- I've never seen such aprons on a Polish costume-- But in truth I fear the task will be made that much more difficult by the liberties taken by the artist. For example the red strapless front-lace bustier garment in #14 is sheer invention... My guesses: 1 Greek (ancient) 2 Scottish sword dance 3 Dutch (the shoes!) 4 Aztec or Inca 5 Siam? Balinese? 6 Germany-- those are Lederhosen for sure 7 hmm... they seem to be holding boomerangs... Maori? 8 Siam? Balinese? 9 ancient Egypt 10 American Indian (am useless with further differentiation other than in general Plains) 11 some sort of Far Araby... that's a eunuch if ever I saw one, and those bare breasts and thin girl vs. enormous and slightly sinister man seem right out of Arabian Nights fantasy 12 Japan 13 definitely Russia 14 generic Slavic or Hungarian (not sure Polish would have been depictedas a nation Poland had just come out of over a century of non-existence, though it did briefly exist again as a sovereign nation in the 20s so maybe it was in vogue...) 15 Italy? the tambourine and his breeches 16 Polynesian 17 hmmm... the horizontally striped apron is distinctive, but no idea. *** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery, University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824-3538 603-862-0310 FAX: 603-862-2191 www.unh.edu/art-gallery *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 4/5/2008 8:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes De4ar Penny, Here's a few more guesses to throw in the ring. #4 - looks Aztec or Mayan from the headdresses. #14 - Hungarian or perhaps Polish? (taking it from the woman's red boots) #15 - Greek? #17 - French ? Briitany? #20? 1770-1790 - this is supposed to be depicting AMERICAN dancing?? This is after our Revolution and I don't thing anyone in America would have been looking like this.? Perhaps a European court doing a minuet? Anyway, there's my two cents with guessing. Hope it can help some. Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 05:17:48 -0400 From: Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes I need help...please! I am so much out of my comfort zone. I have a slideshow online of the ballroom ceiling of the Ringling's Ca d'Zan Mansion in Sarasota, Florida. The ceiling is called Dancers of the World. There are 17 hand-painted medallions of cultural dancers. I need help with what countries and dances represented in the medallions. These were painted in the 1920s exclusively for the mansion by children's book illustrator / Broadway costume and set designer, William Andrew Willy Pogany. He was also a designer for the Zeigfeld Follies. He was friends with John and Mabel Ringling, the mansion's owner. He painted the medallions in his NYC studio and then applied them to the ballroom ceiling in Florida. I also need help with the photos 18-21. The curator said that these were titled Four Corners of American-born Dances. He told me that photos 18 19 dates represented but I can't recall the dances. I am not really sure that I have the dates correct for photos 20 21. And again, do not recall the dances. If you are able to answer my questions, please refer to the photo number on the slideshow headers in your answer. The slideshow can be seen at http://www.costumegallery.info/ . Please make sure to use .INFO and not .COM . When you go to the slideshow, make sure to click on the enlarged view...it looks like the number 7 on the right side of the menu. Many, many thanks in advance for your help. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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4- might be Mayan. :) Though as you say the liberties taken could be that 4 is a blend of the 3. The first figure seems to have a Khamahamai (sp?) Hawaiian headdress. After looking at some of my stuff on central American, the seconded figure is Aztec. 5- Ancient Persian or Assyrian? 7- not Maori but possibly New Zealand? I have seen this somewhere associated with Africa or Australia or New Zealand. 8-The turban isn't Siamese which is why I was think Bali. 10- The headdress is Siouan though the Metis have been know to wear them. 11- Eunuch??? I was thinking more Turkish but Arabian works. the heavy guy is playing a flute though I think the turban is a bit to tall. The anorexic dancer doesn't leave much of a clue with her scarves. 16- I was thinking Hawaiian. 17- Reminds me of the Austrian folkwear. De -Original Message- I'm thinking #14 would be more Hungarian than Polish-- I've never seen such aprons on a Polish costume-- But in truth I fear the task will be made that much more difficult by the liberties taken by the artist. For example the red strapless front-lace bustier garment in #14 is sheer invention... My guesses: 1 Greek (ancient) 2 Scottish sword dance 3 Dutch (the shoes!) 4 Aztec or Inca 5 Siam? Balinese? 6 Germany-- those are Lederhosen for sure 7 hmm... they seem to be holding boomerangs... Maori? 8 Siam? Balinese? 9 ancient Egypt 10 American Indian (am useless with further differentiation other than in general Plains) 11 some sort of Far Araby... that's a eunuch if ever I saw one, and those bare breasts and thin girl vs. enormous and slightly sinister man seem right out of Arabian Nights fantasy 12 Japan 13 definitely Russia 14 generic Slavic or Hungarian (not sure Polish would have been depictedas a nation Poland had just come out of over a century of non-existence, though it did briefly exist again as a sovereign nation in the 20s so maybe it was in vogue...) 15 Italy? the tambourine and his breeches 16 Polynesian 17 hmmm... the horizontally striped apron is distinctive, but no idea. http://www.costumegallery.info/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
