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Mia, Thank you for the deep breath! I think I'll start with the plastic wire ties, since I was able to get them at Home Depot a few minutes away from my office. That should get me started, and then we'll see where I go from there. I'm really doing this for my own pleasure. I don't have any friends who are into re-enacting or costuming... so I'm a bit of an oddity within my circle of friends. I'm a bit of an oddity anyway :) I finally got the skirt sewn onto the bodice over the weekend. Now I'm working on sewing hooks and eyes to the bodice. I've decided that this is my learning gown... I'm getting it done so that I can figure out what's wrong with it. I can already see that the sleeves are not nearly tight enough... and I gather that there generally weren't side seams in the bodice, but that they were a bit further back, behind the arm. I haven't sewn much of anything in such a long time, that I'm really enjoying myself! I'm in the Philadelphia area (just outside the city limits). Kristin On 2/2/06, Mia Dappert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Kristin, First, take a deep breath, Then decide what direction you want, or even think you might want to go in. This will help you make your boning and pattern decisions. Just for the pleasure of doing it? Only wearing it once a year, indoors in air conditioning? Don't need much support? Plastic boning is probably OK, Wearing it all day, all weekend at a reenactment? Working and bending in it doing laundry at a museum site? A little more bosom to support? All your friends are hyper authenic? Different choices. I saw you are in PA. Where? Some of the 18 cent reenactor folks run workshops in that NY/PA/MD area. Being in NC, I'm too far away to take advantage of them, but they might fit your ticket. Your e-friend MIa in Far off Charlotte, NC - What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I'm in the Philadelphia area (just outside the city limits). Wow, you are right in the thick of a lot of resources! Beth Rump, I think she's with the Chadds Ford museum, sponsored a workshop. Deb Peterson of Past Masters has run stays workshops. Last year there was a ladies only event at Brandywine, and I think they will do it again this year. All the details can be found in the archives of 18cWoman, which is a Yahoo group. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re:18c stays
Hey Kristin, First, take a deep breath, Then decide what direction you want, or even think you might want to go in. This will help you make your boning and pattern decisions. Just for the pleasure of doing it? Only wearing it once a year, indoors in air conditioning? Don't need much support? Plastic boning is probably OK, Wearing it all day, all weekend at a reenactment? Working and bending in it doing laundry at a museum site? A little more bosom to support? All your friends are hyper authenic? Different choices. I saw you are in PA. Where? Some of the 18 cent reenactor folks run workshops in that NY/PA/MD area. Being in NC, I'm too far away to take advantage of them, but they might fit your ticket. Your e-friend MIa in Far off Charlotte, NC - What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Okay, this is overwhelming! So, basically, there are two easy patterns out there: JP Ryan and Butterick. And from all the discussion, it looks like there are a variety of preferences for the boning: - cable ties - reed - metal - plastic (but it sounds like this is not the ideal option, since plastic is sweaty no matter where you live). Well, I guess as I work on finishing the current garment, I'll start planning for the corset... at least the first one. At this point, I suppose I'm just making a costume, but as I continue and learn, I'll be able to construct things a little more authentically. Our winter in Eastern PA has been fairly mild... it actually hit the 60's this week! Kristin On 1/31/06, Mia Dappert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mia, The petticoat is cotton, but with a nice sateen to it. I thought it would at least imitate the look of silk to a certain extent. I'd really like to have a more authentic pair of stays before starting a second outfit. I've been thinking about trying to draft my own pattern - but haven't been really sure where to start. The other question, is whether to use the plastic boning, or go the metal route... and then which type... and how does one get the right sizes? Tin-snips? I've already purchased a yard of duck-cloth, and a couple of yards of cotton twill in white and red. I'm just doing this to do it. I suppose I could use it for halloween next year... although a couple people have suggested using it as a wedding dress. I made my own dress for my first marriage, so I've been trying to avoid thinking about the possibility of making another one... although I do have about 10 yards of some gorgeous white cotton damask. Hmmm... a sacque? I suppose, once I get more comfortable making several items, I may risk making something out of silk... but until then, I'll stick with what's affordable. Kristin Oh stays..., I've done several, but since I'm an active reenactor, and trying to progress to a more authentic reenactor, my solutions, might not be your solutions. Like I said, the butterick pattern seems to be good, especially for 3rd quarter or so 18th c. Making 18c stays is not as hard as one might think. just somewhat time consuming. And I always have challenges with the fit. For the stays I've done I've, 1. used the J.P Ryan patterns (very nice- and gives that good ice cream cone shape.) I used metal and cable ties and that stringy box binding stuff that is almost like whale bone...this is not a good description, but I really don't know how to do better. These were really nice. 2. used the later 18c pattern from Hunnicut, and blew it up on a copy machine. these were nice too. I used basket cane and metal bones at the stress points. These were nice too 3. Back to JP Ryan for the pattern, bound in leather, wool covered, fully boned, cable ties and metal in stress points, cane everywhere else. They are really beautiful. 3. on the table to do now. the butterick pattern, cut out in linen, will be halfboned with ? All done on the machine For me basket caning works, but i am frequently out in the heat of a North Carolina Summer. Anything Plastic just doesn't breathe enough for me. I've never had a piece of cane break. and boy does it support!! Choice of patterns ...JP Ryan is good, the butterick is good. I don't have the skills to draft one from scratch and have it come out looking like I want it to. Again all these choices are based on where you are wearing it, and what you want it for. Costume and just for fun has different needs than reenactor and museum work. 18c Mia in Charlotte, NC where there is no sign of winter. Boy i'm not looking forward to another hot summer... gotta get those linen stays done. - Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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And from all the discussion, it looks like there are a variety of preferences for the boning: - cable ties - reed - metal 1/4 white steel 1/2 white steel 1/4 spiral 1/2 spiral - plastic Dritz featherboning 1/4 Rigiline 1/2 Rigiline Wissner (the German type) in several widths and thicknesses And there is another type - I remember seeing it sold by Grannd Garb. (but it sounds like this is not the ideal option, since plastic is sweaty no matter where you live). It's all sweaty. Metal does not breathe, though I suppose the spiral type is more permeable than the white steel. Rigiline is also a woven thing, but it's nylon polyester. A lot of it is a matter of body type and the amount of support wanted. They had fully-boned and half-boned stays. Half-boned will breathe more no matter what boning material is used. I never had a problem with sweaty stays - I find a linen shift underneath is quite comfy. At an outdoor event in 90 degrees, everyone is hot no matter what they are wearing. A handkerchief also keeps for sun protection. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: 18c stays
Hi Mia, The petticoat is cotton, but with a nice sateen to it. I thought it would at least imitate the look of silk to a certain extent. I'd really like to have a more authentic pair of stays before starting a second outfit. I've been thinking about trying to draft my own pattern - but haven't been really sure where to start. The other question, is whether to use the plastic boning, or go the metal route... and then which type... and how does one get the right sizes? Tin-snips? I've already purchased a yard of duck-cloth, and a couple of yards of cotton twill in white and red. I'm just doing this to do it. I suppose I could use it for halloween next year... although a couple people have suggested using it as a wedding dress. I made my own dress for my first marriage, so I've been trying to avoid thinking about the possibility of making another one... although I do have about 10 yards of some gorgeous white cotton damask. Hmmm... a sacque? I suppose, once I get more comfortable making several items, I may risk making something out of silk... but until then, I'll stick with what's affordable. Kristin Oh stays..., I've done several, but since I'm an active reenactor, and trying to progress to a more authentic reenactor, my solutions, might not be your solutions. Like I said, the butterick pattern seems to be good, especially for 3rd quarter or so 18th c. Making 18c stays is not as hard as one might think. just somewhat time consuming. And I always have challenges with the fit. For the stays I've done I've, 1. used the J.P Ryan patterns (very nice- and gives that good ice cream cone shape.) I used metal and cable ties and that stringy box binding stuff that is almost like whale bone...this is not a good description, but I really don't know how to do better. These were really nice. 2. used the later 18c pattern from Hunnicut, and blew it up on a copy machine. these were nice too. I used basket cane and metal bones at the stress points. These were nice too 3. Back to JP Ryan for the pattern, bound in leather, wool covered, fully boned, cable ties and metal in stress points, cane everywhere else. They are really beautiful. 3. on the table to do now. the butterick pattern, cut out in linen, will be halfboned with ? All done on the machine For me basket caning works, but i am frequently out in the heat of a North Carolina Summer. Anything Plastic just doesn't breathe enough for me. I've never had a piece of cane break. and boy does it support!! Choice of patterns ...JP Ryan is good, the butterick is good. I don't have the skills to draft one from scratch and have it come out looking like I want it to. Again all these choices are based on where you are wearing it, and what you want it for. Costume and just for fun has different needs than reenactor and museum work. 18c Mia in Charlotte, NC where there is no sign of winter. Boy i'm not looking forward to another hot summer... gotta get those linen stays done. - Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:15:57 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re:Here's my show and tell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Kristin, that dress looks like a great start. The fabric for your bodice doesn't look out of period to me, although I'm not an expert on that period. And I think cotton's okay for 18th Century United States, although it was illegal to import it in most of Europe. Are you hand-quilting the skirt? What a clever idea, to base the quilting pattern on the fabric print! Tea Rose P.S. Bjarne, I think $100 is a steal for your work. Lots of women spend that kind of money on handbags which were not handmade by an artist. Fancy handbags are in right now, so you could charge a lot more than that, if you wanted to. Kristin Very nice, Now, if you're ready to go the authentic route.. The quilted petticoat is great, I really want one of those, and never seem to have the time.. Is is silk? For stays, look at the butterick pattern, . I forget the# . If you want to go more authentic, Mara Riley who is on this list sometimes has really good directions to go that way, otherwise , it is a simple pattern that you can find for 99 cents sometimes. Cotton is a constant source of discussion, which is why I stay away from it., but then, I'm on the dark side of authentic, rather than heading to the light of straight costume Are you just doing it for the doing, or are you going to use it somewhere? 18c Mia in Charlotte, NC - Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Hi Mia, The petticoat is cotton, but with a nice sateen to it. I thought it would at least imitate the look of silk to a certain extent. I'd really like to have a more authentic pair of stays before starting a second outfit. I've been thinking about trying to draft my own pattern - but haven't been really sure where to start. The other question, is whether to use the plastic boning, or go the metal route... and then which type... and how does one get the right sizes? Tin-snips? I've already purchased a yard of duck-cloth, and a couple of yards of cotton twill in white and red. I'm just doing this to do it. I suppose I could use it for halloween next year... although a couple people have suggested using it as a wedding dress. I made my own dress for my first marriage, so I've been trying to avoid thinking about the possibility of making another one... although I do have about 10 yards of some gorgeous white cotton damask. Hmmm... a sacque? I suppose, once I get more comfortable making several items, I may risk making something out of silk... but until then, I'll stick with what's affordable. Kristin On 1/30/06, Mia Dappert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:15:57 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re:Here's my show and tell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Kristin, that dress looks like a great start. The fabric for your bodice doesn't look out of period to me, although I'm not an expert on that period. And I think cotton's okay for 18th Century United States, although it was illegal to import it in most of Europe. Are you hand-quilting the skirt? What a clever idea, to base the quilting pattern on the fabric print! Tea Rose P.S. Bjarne, I think $100 is a steal for your work. Lots of women spend that kind of money on handbags which were not handmade by an artist. Fancy handbags are in right now, so you could charge a lot more than that, if you wanted to. Kristin Very nice, Now, if you're ready to go the authentic route.. The quilted petticoat is great, I really want one of those, and never seem to have the time.. Is is silk? For stays, look at the butterick pattern, . I forget the# . If you want to go more authentic, Mara Riley who is on this list sometimes has really good directions to go that way, otherwise , it is a simple pattern that you can find for 99 cents sometimes. Cotton is a constant source of discussion, which is why I stay away from it., but then, I'm on the dark side of authentic, rather than heading to the light of straight costume Are you just doing it for the doing, or are you going to use it somewhere? 18c Mia in Charlotte, NC - Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Boning for stays and corsets can be ordered from www.corsetmaking.com Susan Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for. - Ride the Dark Trail by Louis L'Amour On Jan 30, 2006, at 1:54 PM, Kristin wrote: Hi Mia, The petticoat is cotton, but with a nice sateen to it. I thought it would at least imitate the look of silk to a certain extent. I'd really like to have a more authentic pair of stays before starting a second outfit. I've been thinking about trying to draft my own pattern - but haven't been really sure where to start. The other question, is whether to use the plastic boning, or go the metal route... and then which type... and how does one get the right sizes? Tin-snips? I've already purchased a yard of duck-cloth, and a couple of yards of cotton twill in white and red. I'm just doing this to do it. I suppose I could use it for halloween next year... although a couple people have suggested using it as a wedding dress. I made my own dress for my first marriage, so I've been trying to avoid thinking about the possibility of making another one... although I do have about 10 yards of some gorgeous white cotton damask. Hmmm... a sacque? I suppose, once I get more comfortable making several items, I may risk making something out of silk... but until then, I'll stick with what's affordable. Kristin On 1/30/06, Mia Dappert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:15:57 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re:Here's my show and tell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Kristin, that dress looks like a great start. The fabric for your bodice doesn't look out of period to me, although I'm not an expert on that period. And I think cotton's okay for 18th Century United States, although it was illegal to import it in most of Europe. Are you hand-quilting the skirt? What a clever idea, to base the quilting pattern on the fabric print! Tea Rose P.S. Bjarne, I think $100 is a steal for your work. Lots of women spend that kind of money on handbags which were not handmade by an artist. Fancy handbags are in right now, so you could charge a lot more than that, if you wanted to. Kristin Very nice, Now, if you're ready to go the authentic route.. The quilted petticoat is great, I really want one of those, and never seem to have the time.. Is is silk? For stays, look at the butterick pattern, . I forget the# . If you want to go more authentic, Mara Riley who is on this list sometimes has really good directions to go that way, otherwise , it is a simple pattern that you can find for 99 cents sometimes. Cotton is a constant source of discussion, which is why I stay away from it., but then, I'm on the dark side of authentic, rather than heading to the light of straight costume Are you just doing it for the doing, or are you going to use it somewhere? 18c Mia in Charlotte, NC - Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re:18c
I'd really like to have a more authentic pair of stays before starting a second outfit. I've been thinking about trying to draft my own pattern - but haven't been really sure where to start. The other question, is whether to use the plastic boning, or go the metal route... and then which type... and how does one get the right sizes? Tin-snips? I've already purchased a yard of duck-cloth, and a couple of yards of cotton twill in white and red. I'd recommend against the plastic route. At least against the plastic boning you can get at JoAnn's -- I'm pretty curvy and have had two types of trouble with the plastic stuff: (1) in the heat of wearing it (and possibly lacing tight enough so my chest stays put - I have about a 10 difference between ribcage and bust line - almost entirely in the front - the plastic melts into my curvy shape, rather then making me nicely tubular. (2) The ends of the plastic tweak and buckle something' awful (and they _hurt_ when they do it, too!). I've used the metal boning and bought sized-to-fit. Which is not the cheapest route, by a long shot but it is easy. Reed is also do-able, much cheaper and doesn't require fancy tools. You can get some from Saundra Ros Altman's Past Patterns - I got mine for this http://www.pastpatterns.com/030.html pattern kit, but I believe she sells them separately. I'm told you can get other size/shapes of reeds via basket weaving supply stores, but I haven't looked into that much yet. Good luck! -sunny ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Kristin wrote: Hi Mia, The other question, is whether to use the plastic boning, or go the metal route... and then which type... and how does one get the right sizes? Tin-snips? I've already purchased a yard of duck-cloth, and a couple of yards of cotton twill in white and red. I thought that 18th century stays used whalebone, which would make the plastic boning a good substitute. Or cable ties, which can be had in bundles by the hundred from hardware stores. Cut with scissors. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 1/30/2006 1:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bjarne, I think $100 is a steal for your work. That's for sure! Teenagers spend $300 to $1000s on polyester prom gowns made in a factory in Indonesia! Anything Bjarne has made that I've seen on his web site is worth $1500 to $5000 easily. Notice I said that's what it's worth, not what some will pay. And even as far as worth, I might be underpricing considering the care and enthusiasm that goes into his work. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd recommend against the plastic route. At least against the plastic boning you can get at JoAnn's -- I'm pretty curvy and have had two types of trouble with the plastic stuff: (1) in the heat of wearing it (and possibly lacing tight enough so my chest stays put - I have about a 10 difference between ribcage and bust line - almost entirely in the front - the plastic melts into my curvy shape, rather then making me nicely tubular. (2) The ends of the plastic tweak and buckle something' awful (and they _hurt_ when they do it, too!). Thanks for that piece of advice. We have much the same problem -- I boned an Italian bodice with That Stuff, and found that those ends do indeed hurt where they decide to poke you -- and they *will* poke you ... I had never tried an Elizabethan, but I want to. Jerusha, filing away *very* useful information - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 1/30/2006 3:50:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The other question, is whether to use the plastic boning, or go the metal route *** I prefer metal. In Honnisette's book she mixes the twosome metal in the front point...and scattered with plastic throughout the front pieces... to keep it rigid and at the CB for strength at the lacing. That seems OK to me too. The whalebone in these things can be quite thick and as rigid as metal. And quite frankly they don't make metal boning as stiff as they used to, it is very flexible. If you can get 1/8 metal boning. you might like that. On Last of the Mohicans the boned jackets I made, and some corsets were boned with hoop wiresometimes the 2 strips in their casing, sometimes taken out and used one at a time. The leads corsets were all 1/4 metal boning. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I use a combination of plastic and steel. Just make sure that the ends of the plastic are rounded (easy to do with kitchen shears). The combination works just fine for me and I wear a 26-28 US size. My area of interest is 16th century Italian (just about everywhere except Venice). With regards, kate - Original Message - From: Susan B. Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:18c Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd recommend against the plastic route. At least against the plastic boning you can get at JoAnn's -- I'm pretty curvy and have had two types of trouble with the plastic stuff: (1) in the heat of wearing it (and possibly lacing tight enough so my chest stays put - I have about a 10 difference between ribcage and bust line - almost entirely in the front - the plastic melts into my curvy shape, rather then making me nicely tubular. (2) The ends of the plastic tweak and buckle something' awful (and they _hurt_ when they do it, too!). Thanks for that piece of advice. We have much the same problem -- I boned an Italian bodice with That Stuff, and found that those ends do indeed hurt where they decide to poke you -- and they *will* poke you ... I had never tried an Elizabethan, but I want to. Jerusha, filing away *very* useful information - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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At 21:06 30/01/2006, you wrote: In a message dated 1/30/2006 3:50:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The other question, is whether to use the plastic boning, or go the metal route *** I prefer metal. In Honnisette's book she mixes the twosome metal in the front point...and scattered with plastic throughout the front pieces... to keep it rigid and at the CB for strength at the lacing. That seems OK to me too. I've always made 18th century corsets with Rigilene and straight steel bones combined. They have been for ladies of many different sizes, and shapes, and I don't have a problem with bones poking if I melt the ends in a candle flame. You can buy caps, but they are very thick. Someone once recommended the so called German boning - is that the same as your plastic boning? I don't like it. The whalebone in these things can be quite thick and as rigid as metal. And quite frankly they don't make metal boning as stiff as they used to, it is very flexible. If you can get 1/8 metal boning. you might like that. On Last of the Mohicans the boned jackets I made, and some corsets were boned with hoop wiresometimes the 2 strips in their casing, sometimes taken out and used one at a time. The leads corsets were all 1/4 metal boning. I own a copy of an 18th century corset made with whalebone - obviously made before the ban - and as stated, it is quite solid and rigid. (But the whalebones cut through the linen, and dig in!!) Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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At 12:57 PM 1/30/2006, you wrote: Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd recommend against the plastic route. At least against the plastic boning you can get at JoAnn's -- I'm pretty curvy and have had two types of trouble with the plastic stuff: (1) in the heat of wearing it (and possibly lacing tight enough so my chest stays put - I have about a 10 difference between ribcage and bust line - almost entirely in the front - the plastic melts into my curvy shape, rather then making me nicely tubular. (2) The ends of the plastic tweak and buckle something' awful (and they _hurt_ when they do it, too!). Thanks for that piece of advice. We have much the same problem -- I boned an Italian bodice with That Stuff, and found that those ends do indeed hurt where they decide to poke you -- and they *will* poke you ... I had never tried an Elizabethan, but I want to. Jerusha, filing away *very* useful information I never found the Rigilene to be useful at all, and certainly not for corsets. I use cable ties that I buy at the hardware store (my current Elizabethan corset has them); cheap and easily available. I get the 34 ones. They can be cut with heavy craft scissors (or tin snips); the ends can be rounded with a coarse file (some people candle them, but I don't bother as it makes for lumpy ends). As long as you make the stays about 1/2 inch shorter than the casings, they are fine. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I never found the Rigilene to be useful at all, and certainly not for corsets. I use cable ties that I buy at the hardware store (my current Elizabethan corset has them); cheap and easily available. I get the 34 ones. They can be cut with heavy craft scissors (or tin snips); the ends can be rounded with a coarse file (some people candle them, but I don't bother as it makes for lumpy ends). As long as you make the stays about 1/2 inch shorter than the casings, they are fine. Kitchen scissors are what I use. I do one straight cut and two snips either corner. It takes about 5seconds per bone;) Of course I use the narrow kind as I find they are made softer than the larger ties and so don't warp so much. I know it's counter intuative, but there ya go;) michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.25/246 - Release Date: 30/01/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re:18c
Try Lacis, in Berkeley, Calif. For boning. www.lacis.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re:18c I'd really like to have a more authentic pair of stays before starting a second outfit. I've been thinking about trying to draft my own pattern - but haven't been really sure where to start. The other question, is whether to use the plastic boning, or go the metal route... and then which type... and how does one get the right sizes? Tin-snips? I've already purchased a yard of duck-cloth, and a couple of yards of cotton twill in white and red. I'd recommend against the plastic route. At least against the plastic boning you can get at JoAnn's -- I'm pretty curvy and have had two types of trouble with the plastic stuff: (1) in the heat of wearing it (and possibly lacing tight enough so my chest stays put - I have about a 10 difference between ribcage and bust line - almost entirely in the front - the plastic melts into my curvy shape, rather then making me nicely tubular. (2) The ends of the plastic tweak and buckle something' awful (and they _hurt_ when they do it, too!). I've used the metal boning and bought sized-to-fit. Which is not the cheapest route, by a long shot but it is easy. Reed is also do-able, much cheaper and doesn't require fancy tools. You can get some from Saundra Ros Altman's Past Patterns - I got mine for this http://www.pastpatterns.com/030.html pattern kit, but I believe she sells them separately. I'm told you can get other size/shapes of reeds via basket weaving supply stores, but I haven't looked into that much yet. Good luck! -sunny ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
