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On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Becky Rautine zearti...@hotmail.com wrote: It might even be worth something to them. I must admit, the Cash in the Attic watcher in me saw dollar signs. If I owned this scrapbook, though, I don't think I'd be able to part with it... thanks so much for photographing it and sharing it with us! -E House (drat my limited bandwidth satellite internet connection...) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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NOt that anyone would want to part with sucha a valuable item. I was suggesting it might contain missing photographs that are a part of history of old films. With all those photos of different people, most might have been lost over the years and few existing news articles, magazine articles or such of that era. That is what I meant. A collector would love to get one like this. A museum might want it for their collection of film era history. It might be somethng of HISTORICAL signifigance, as well as amusement value. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:01:26 -0400 From: exst...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Becky Rautine zearti...@hotmail.com wrote: It might even be worth something to them. I must admit, the Cash in the Attic watcher in me saw dollar signs. If I owned this scrapbook, though, I don't think I'd be able to part with it... thanks so much for photographing it and sharing it with us! -E House (drat my limited bandwidth satellite internet connection...) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On 3/14/09 6:22 AM, Wendi Dunlap wrote: You might also enjoy the photo collection I've posted at http://www.flickr.com/photos/litlnemo/sets/72157615210203836/ . I just thought of another thing I have that might be helpful: http://slumberland.org/vintage_kitchen/kitchenimages.html It's actually a collection of images of kitchens, intended to include images from 1905-1925, but so far most of the images are 1917-1920, and some of them do include women in period clothing and might be useful. Of course, they are all American, but still might give some insight. For some reason I seem to be collecting stuff from the 1910s lately. :) W -- *---+---+--* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear/ / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought* ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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What a collection of photos. I wonder who the twin ladies are. I love the dragonfly/dancers. One photo near the end kinda looks like Drew Barrymore. Thanks for sharing them. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:13:14 -0700 From: litln...@slumberland.seattle.wa.us To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question On 3/14/09 6:22 AM, Wendi Dunlap wrote: You might also enjoy the photo collection I've posted at http://www.flickr.com/photos/litlnemo/sets/72157615210203836/ . I just thought of another thing I have that might be helpful: http://slumberland.org/vintage_kitchen/kitchenimages.html It's actually a collection of images of kitchens, intended to include images from 1905-1925, but so far most of the images are 1917-1920, and some of them do include women in period clothing and might be useful. Of course, they are all American, but still might give some insight. For some reason I seem to be collecting stuff from the 1910s lately. :) W -- *---+---+--* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear/ / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought* ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 3/15/2009 12:33:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, zearti...@hotmail.com writes: I love the dragonfly/dancers That might be Anna Pavlova. She's the Prima Ballerina of Diaghilev's Ballet Russe. She's the 1st ballet star to tour extensively. She's known for her Dying Swan (much parodied these days. Ballet Trockadero's version is hysterical!). My favorite story about her is how she turned down the title role of a brand new ballet The Firebird because she thought the unknown composer, Igor Stravinsky's, music was noise and impossible to dance to. Oops! **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On 3/15/09 9:32 AM, Becky Rautine wrote: What a collection of photos. I wonder who the twin ladies are. I wonder too. They don't seem to be any of the most famous sisters or twins I know of in films of that era like Norma and Constance Talmadge, etc. But my facial recognition abilities are so poor that I might miss an obvious identification. I have been going through and trying to identify people in the pictures when possible, but any identifications would be welcome! Just last night I was able to identify several, and find other copies of some of these photos on the Web. But there are many people there that can't be identified. One sad thing is that many of these actors pictured have very few or no surviving films left to watch. The majority of films from that era have not survived, I think. I am glad people enjoyed the scrapbook! It really does have some nice images of circa-1916 fashion. On 3/15/09 11:12 AM, albert...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/15/2009 12:33:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, zearti...@hotmail.com writes: I love the dragonfly/dancers That might be Anna Pavlova. I think it may be -- there is another clipping loose in the book of a dancer in the same costume, labeled as Pavlova. W -- *---+---+--* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear/ / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought* ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Is there some museum dedicated to old black and white films? Maybe they could help identify some of the photos. It might even be worth something to them. It is quite a documentation of photos from that era. With a bit of work it would be a wonderful edition with labels and additional infor on what you can get. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:43:06 -0700 From: litln...@slumberland.seattle.wa.us To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question On 3/15/09 9:32 AM, Becky Rautine wrote: What a collection of photos. I wonder who the twin ladies are. I wonder too. They don't seem to be any of the most famous sisters or twins I know of in films of that era like Norma and Constance Talmadge, etc. But my facial recognition abilities are so poor that I might miss an obvious identification. I have been going through and trying to identify people in the pictures when possible, but any identifications would be welcome! Just last night I was able to identify several, and find other copies of some of these photos on the Web. But there are many people there that can't be identified. One sad thing is that many of these actors pictured have very few or no surviving films left to watch. The majority of films from that era have not survived, I think. I am glad people enjoyed the scrapbook! It really does have some nice images of circa-1916 fashion. On 3/15/09 11:12 AM, albert...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/15/2009 12:33:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, zearti...@hotmail.com writes: I love the dragonfly/dancers That might be Anna Pavlova. I think it may be -- there is another clipping loose in the book of a dancer in the same costume, labeled as Pavlova. W -- *---+---+--* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear/ / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought* ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On 3/13/09 1:29 PM, Elena House wrote: To get the imagery down, you might have fun at: http://www.silentladies.com/Ladies.html It's not terribly easy to find people there by date, but there were plenty of stars (such as Mary Pickford, Lillian Dorothy Gish, Blanche Sweet, Florence Lawrence, Mabel Normand, Alice Joyce, Clara Kimball Young, Pearl White, and more) who are on here that were already famous 1914-18. By the way, Lucile (Lady Duff Gordon) was a very popular film costume designer at the time. Delurking... You might also enjoy the photo collection I've posted at http://www.flickr.com/photos/litlnemo/sets/72157615210203836/ . It's all from a scrapbook I found at Goodwill a couple of months ago. The scrapbook appears to have been compiled around 1916, and it's full of photos of movie stars of the time (and also a few dancers and stage actors). There are some amazing clothes in there. I put some of the images online, but there are *hundreds* of them in the scrapbook. The scrapbook-keeper collected an outrageous amount of clippings, glued some into the book, and then just stuffed the rest in. It's quite amazing. (I think it's probably the best thing I've ever found at Goodwill -- and it was only $12.99! Now I just have to figure out the best way to preserve it.) There are some great WWI-era details in the photos. I seriously want to make clothing from that period now. W -- *---+---+--* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear/ / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought* ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I love this period--been doing a lot of research on it, and saving a lot of images. They're on a different computer and I'm too lazy to walk all the way upstairs, though, so I'll make do down here... WWI in the Netherlands is a bit general: there are a lot of changes in fashion during those years. Also, I'm not sure how much the Netherlands setting affects the question--would they be behind the times, fashion-wise, or are they close enough to France that they'd be getting new trends before the US? One of my favorite books (although useless for the project I've been researching) is a Dover reprint of a 1914 what-are-the-newest-trends type magazine; the intro explains that American fashion correspondents are reporting on the latest Paris trends. The reason the book is useless for my research is that a lot of these trends just plain didn't make it over to the US, or didn't show up until a year or three after 1914, but it might actually be useful for the Netherlands. The book is: http://www.amazon.com/Home-Pattern-Company-Fashions-Catalog/dp/0486286886/ Anyway, I really just have a few general comments. The first and foremost is this: HATS. They are essential to the costume. Looking through the fashion plates, the only people I see not wearing hats are the ones who are also modeling lingerie or housecoats. Unless the characters are planning to spend all day inside, they need a matching hat. Also, the hairstyle is so very definitive of the era--I hope someone involved is good at doing those nice poufy up-dos, or that you have some great wigs. Here's a book that I want, but not badly enough to spend that much on it: http://www.amazon.com/Hairstyles-Fashion-Hairdressers-History-1910-1920/dp/1859732224/ Third, undergarments: they're less of a struggle in this era. The frumpy, poufy, blousy look lets you go bra-less with impunity (and get a more accurate look; bras existed but weren't worn much, and the high firm bust of today's bras just doesn't work) and although girdle-like corsets are still worn, the main impact they have on the outer look is to keep your clothing from getting wrinkled and rumpled around the waist if you spend time sitting throughout the day. In other words, you don't need something tight around the waist, just something firm. Hips and rear ends are worn rather straight and flat even in the flared-skirt portion of this era; a girdle can help a bit with that, but it's more a matter of how the skirts are cut. The slightly raised waistline also helps mask the swell of the hips. Fourth, this is an era where you start seeing everyday clothes that are actually comfortable become fashionable. If you're a bit chilly, throw on a sweater or cardigan. Riding? Try pants instead of a skirt. Working in the garden? Put on a pair of overalls. Sleeves are loose and relatively roomy; necklines are low or loose enough to be comfortable (if shocking to the older generation). Other than perhaps the shoes, no part of the outfit should be tight enough to be constricting in any way. The fitness culture that we have today had already begun and spread to females before this era; people understood that exercise was necessary for both sexes, and by this era, women were starting to wear clothing that was actually comfortable for physical activity. (Speaking of which, the whole 'hobble skirt' thing was a fashion flash-in-the-pan that fizzled specifically because it was so hard to live with, and most women were no longer interested in putting up with that. The look stayed popular and reappeared off and on throughout the era, but after a very short time--during which only a few women wore the style for more than just weddings or other highly formal events--skirts were most often only made to _look_ that tight around the calves and ankles. The use of clever pattern-making and tailoring tricks, and a few well-placed pleats and slits made walking easy, even if the skirts still _looked_ like they might hobble you. By 1914, the flash-in-the-pan part was over, and very few skirts had a built-in speed limit.) You should be able to find several patterns that will work at Past Patterns; my favorites and the ones I think look most typical by year are: 1914-- http://www.pastpatterns.com/6053.html (This dress could be pulled off throughout the era.) http://www.pastpatterns.com/8480.html (The sheer frilliness of this one makes it a bit more specific to the earlier part of the era, but still wearable throughout, especially by a teenager.) http://www.pastpatterns.com/6909.html (Note the frilly stuff at the upper thighs; you see that everywhere in 1914) http://www.pastpatterns.com/8390.html (This is a great example of how drape and optical illusions are used to give the _look_ of a skirt that would hobble you, without actually hobbling you.) 1915-- http://www.pastpatterns.com/9395.html (Another typical look is the blouse you see here, with the neckline/collar dropping straight down into an open front over a
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PS--a few minutes with Google or the American Memory section of the Library of Congress website should help you find plenty of silent movie footage from the era. One thing to watch out for (or perhaps take notes on--you could use it for your costuming choices) is the fact that the filmmakers were already making use of costume as cultural shorthand. For example, you can always pick out the female heroine/ingenue by her frilly white dress made of soft, semi-sheer fabric, and often by the fact that her hair isn't up (signalling youth). The evil soul-sucking vamp female wears dark fabrics, often of expensive-looking heavy or shiny silks, and more flashy accessories and jewelry (because if she's a vamp, she's also a gold-digger, see). The frumpy old woman might show up in Victorian clothing. Just like today we'd immediately be able to identify an aged-out hippie or a nerd from the clothing, this would have immediately conveyed the character's traits. To get the imagery down, you might have fun at: http://www.silentladies.com/Ladies.html It's not terribly easy to find people there by date, but there were plenty of stars (such as Mary Pickford, Lillian Dorothy Gish, Blanche Sweet, Florence Lawrence, Mabel Normand, Alice Joyce, Clara Kimball Young, Pearl White, and more) who are on here that were already famous 1914-18. By the way, Lucile (Lady Duff Gordon) was a very popular film costume designer at the time. -E House, devoted Harold Lloyd fan... http://www.haroldlloyd.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Follow-up on the Walking Skirt: Here's the page on the Folkwear site: http://www.folkwear.com/romantic.html The walking skirt is # 209. You might also want to look at 205 (Gibson Girl Blouse) 220 (Garden Party Dress)--I believe someone has already mentioned this one 508 (Traveling Suit, WWI), which has quite a nice jacket --Ruth Anne On Mar 11, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: That almost-A-line skirt is a walking skirt, and Folkwear has a lovely pattern. On my way out the door or I'd look up the number...but of course it's on their website --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Mar 11, 2009, at 12:40 PM, albert...@aol.com wrote: Definitely NOT 1914-1916. I once did a show during WWI (took place in England) and those years are actually kinda hard to pin down. The hobble skirt (think My Fair Lady) is on the way out but the 1920's are not here yet...but showing a bit. I learned things still have a strict...sometimes bonedunderstructure but basically things are draped on this structure to look completely Unstructured. There are rarely darts to fit things but tucks and pleats (that release) are everywhere to give things a kinda unfitted shape. The narrow skirt of the earlier times is sometimes there, but also a wider, almost A line skirt is present...and at a slightly higher than ankle length. Blouses and skirts are all the rageas are military details on suits and coats, like pleated patch pockets, big buttons everywhere and even epaulettes on the shoulder. Of the patterns suggested by penhalion http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/19gapadrbyfo.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/hiofhi19shco.html _http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/seandse19kid.html_ (http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/seandse19kid.html) are the best (notice the fullness of the skirts) _http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/jacateadrbyf.html_ (http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/jacateadrbyf.html) looks too early. **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol? redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc% 3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Thank you all very much for the replies. ww1 isn't my period. But the dress felt weird. Sometimes I can tell that a pattern isn't quite right but I don't always know what it is. But now I get a better idea of the period. Greetings, Deredere ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 3/12/2009 12:56:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ruthan...@mindspring.com writes: The walking skirt is # 209. You might also want to look at 205 (Gibson Girl Blouse) 220 (Garden Party Dress)--I believe someone has already mentioned this one 508 (Traveling Suit, WWI), which has quite a nice jacket ** 508 is PERFECT. Just what I think of as WWIsee not Titanic at all. Notice the fullness of the skirt and its unusual just-higher-than-ankle-length skirt. Always looks great with high lace-up boots that have spool heels. 220 still looks good. 205 is too early. and 209 is OK but only if you hem it shorter than shown. It really looks too early to me. I went to the Past Patterns site and they have LOTS of copies of authentic patterns. Here are some good blouses: _http://www.pastpatterns.com/9025.html_ (http://www.pastpatterns.com/9025.html) _http://www.pastpatterns.com/5655.html_ (http://www.pastpatterns.com/5655.html) _http://www.pastpatterns.com/7683.html_ (http://www.pastpatterns.com/7683.html) and some good skirts to go with them: _http://www.pastpatterns.com/7035.html_ (http://www.pastpatterns.com/7035.html) _http://www.pastpatterns.com/7477.html_ (http://www.pastpatterns.com/7477.html) _http://www.pastpatterns.com/9003.html_ (http://www.pastpatterns.com/9003.html) And some nice dresses: _http://www.pastpatterns.com/8933.html_ (http://www.pastpatterns.com/8933.html) _http://www.pastpatterns.com/6053.html_ (http://www.pastpatterns.com/6053.html) _http://www.pastpatterns.com/8159.html_ (http://www.pastpatterns.com/8159.html) There's lots more on the Past Pattern's page...near the bottomanything 1914-1918. _http://www.pastpatterns.com/1900.html_ (http://www.pastpatterns.com/1900.html) I don't mean to harp on this period but its an unusual one that is hard to get right. So many designers end up with Hobble Skirt fashions and as you can see, though clearly coming out of that, they are NOT the same period. ... A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. _See yours in just 2 easy steps!_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http://www. freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=febemailfooterNO6 2) **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Past Patterns 1900-1910s page has many patterns here is a link and some of my favorites: http://www.pastpatterns.com/1900.html Nice dress with the ubiquitous mid-teens overskirt http://www.pastpatterns.com/8211.html good dress for early 1910s http://www.pastpatterns.com/4269.html This one is also nice and basic for the early WWI era. http://www.pastpatterns.com/6517.html By late 1915-17 skirts are shorter and flared more like this: http://www.pastpatterns.com/6517.html (this dress is 1917) I love this period, it changes so much from year to year. Katy On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Deredere Galbraith tria...@kabelfoon.nl wrote: Thank you all very much for the replies. ww1 isn't my period. But the dress felt weird. Sometimes I can tell that a pattern isn't quite right but I don't always know what it is. But now I get a better idea of the period. Greetings, Deredere ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybisho...@gmail.comwww.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On Wednesday 11 March 2009 7:26:04 am Deredere Galbraith wrote: I was wondering from when the costume is on the left of the picture. I have been asked to make that costume for reenactment in the Netherlands during the 1sth world war. And I wonder if that dress is the right period. http://www.naaipatronen.nl/afb/swb/B4954.jpg De: the costume shown doesn't look to be particularly period to me for any period, but it looks more like an 1890s outfit than anything else. So I'm inclined to say, no, it's not right for WWI. -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com If someone offers you a dead dog for lunch, you don't stick around for the pudding. --Ben Yahtzee Croshaw ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Ye, I agree, this is not any particular period but it is trying to be vaguely Victorian. If you can find the patterns that were released after 'Titanic' became popular, you will be much closer to the corrrect style. Like these: http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/19gapadrbyfo.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/hiofhi19shco.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/jacateadrbyf.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/seandse19kid.html (This is not an endorsement of either the patterns or the site, just some examples) Karen Seamstrix -- Original Message -- From: Catherine Olanich Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:53:41 -0400 On Wednesday 11 March 2009 7:26:04 am Deredere Galbraith wrote: I was wondering from when the costume is on the left of the picture. I have been asked to make that costume for reenactment in the Netherlands during the 1sth world war. And I wonder if that dress is the right period. http://www.naaipatronen.nl/afb/swb/B4954.jpg De: the costume shown doesn't look to be particularly period to me for any period, but it looks more like an 1890s outfit than anything else. So I'm inclined to say, no, it's not right for WWI. -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com If someone offers you a dead dog for lunch, you don't stick around for the pudding. --Ben Yahtzee Croshaw ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmPjr9ZNDaxqfzgQyAchwEkDfl2fkJ56vpkVpiz7f4uOTpdoTOg/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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There is a Past Patterns pattern called the Armistice Blouse which is the correct period. I think they have a skirt that goes with it, too, otherwise, a narrow, ankle length one will do. And if the re-enactment is showing the deprivations of the war, just use early 1900's. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of penhal...@juno.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:37 AM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question Ye, I agree, this is not any particular period but it is trying to be vaguely Victorian. If you can find the patterns that were released after 'Titanic' became popular, you will be much closer to the corrrect style. Like these: http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/19gapadrbyfo.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/hiofhi19shco.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/jacateadrbyf.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/seandse19kid.html (This is not an endorsement of either the patterns or the site, just some examples) Karen Seamstrix -- Original Message -- From: Catherine Olanich Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:53:41 -0400 On Wednesday 11 March 2009 7:26:04 am Deredere Galbraith wrote: I was wondering from when the costume is on the left of the picture. I have been asked to make that costume for reenactment in the Netherlands during the 1sth world war. And I wonder if that dress is the right period. http://www.naaipatronen.nl/afb/swb/B4954.jpg De: the costume shown doesn't look to be particularly period to me for any period, but it looks more like an 1890s outfit than anything else. So I'm inclined to say, no, it's not right for WWI. -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com If someone offers you a dead dog for lunch, you don't stick around for the pudding. --Ben Yahtzee Croshaw ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmPjr9ZNDaxqfzgQyAchwEkD fl2fkJ56vpkVpiz7f4uOTpdoTOg/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Definitely NOT 1914-1916. I once did a show during WWI (took place in England) and those years are actually kinda hard to pin down. The hobble skirt (think My Fair Lady) is on the way out but the 1920's are not here yet...but showing a bit. I learned things still have a strict...sometimes bonedunderstructure but basically things are draped on this structure to look completely Unstructured. There are rarely darts to fit things but tucks and pleats (that release) are everywhere to give things a kinda unfitted shape. The narrow skirt of the earlier times is sometimes there, but also a wider, almost A line skirt is present...and at a slightly higher than ankle length. Blouses and skirts are all the rageas are military details on suits and coats, like pleated patch pockets, big buttons everywhere and even epaulettes on the shoulder. Of the patterns suggested by penhalion http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/19gapadrbyfo.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/hiofhi19shco.html _http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/seandse19kid.html_ (http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/seandse19kid.html) are the best (notice the fullness of the skirts) _http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/jacateadrbyf.html_ (http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/jacateadrbyf.html) looks too early. **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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That almost-A-line skirt is a walking skirt, and Folkwear has a lovely pattern. On my way out the door or I'd look up the number...but of course it's on their website --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Mar 11, 2009, at 12:40 PM, albert...@aol.com wrote: Definitely NOT 1914-1916. I once did a show during WWI (took place in England) and those years are actually kinda hard to pin down. The hobble skirt (think My Fair Lady) is on the way out but the 1920's are not here yet...but showing a bit. I learned things still have a strict...sometimes bonedunderstructure but basically things are draped on this structure to look completely Unstructured. There are rarely darts to fit things but tucks and pleats (that release) are everywhere to give things a kinda unfitted shape. The narrow skirt of the earlier times is sometimes there, but also a wider, almost A line skirt is present...and at a slightly higher than ankle length. Blouses and skirts are all the rageas are military details on suits and coats, like pleated patch pockets, big buttons everywhere and even epaulettes on the shoulder. Of the patterns suggested by penhalion http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/19gapadrbyfo.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/hiofhi19shco.html _http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/seandse19kid.html_ (http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/seandse19kid.html) are the best (notice the fullness of the skirts) _http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/jacateadrbyf.html_ (http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/jacateadrbyf.html) looks too early. **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol? redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc% 3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question
Almost there. I think a bit too early for 1911. But, I do see where you are going with this. Remove ruffles, lengthen, loosen and widen the coat for more of 1911 fall dress something like this maybe: http://www.korthalsgriffonclub.co.uk/uploads/image/earlydays%20group%20of%20owners%201911.jpg I like it. Thank you for reminding me of one of my favorite periods. From: Deredere Galbraith tria...@kabelfoon.nl Subject: To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Message-ID: 49b79fcc.3090...@kabelfoon.nl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I was wondering from when the costume is on the left of the picture. I have been asked to make that costume for reenactment in the Netherlands during the 1sth world war. And I wonder if that dress is the right period. http://www.naaipatronen.nl/afb/swb/B4954.jpg --- End of Original Message --- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question
--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Catherine Olanich Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com wrote: From: Deredere wrote: I was wondering from when the costume is on the left of the picture. http://www.naaipatronen.nl/afb/swb/B4954.jpg De: the costume shown doesn't look to be particularly period to me for any period, but it looks more like an 1890s outfit than anything else. So I'm inclined to say, no, it's not right for WWI. Cathy Raymond Looks like a 1980s costume alleged to be 1890s. A good source for WWI costumes: from the Costumer's Manifesto website, Edwardian era on the (Costume) History by Period. There are two tailoring books with diagrams and many other patterns also. Ann in CT ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On Wednesday 11 March 2009 9:09:21 pm Ann Catelli wrote: --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Catherine Olanich Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com wrote: From: Deredere wrote: I was wondering from when the costume is on the left of the picture. http://www.naaipatronen.nl/afb/swb/B4954.jpg De: the costume shown doesn't look to be particularly period to me for any period, but it looks more like an 1890s outfit than anything else. So I'm inclined to say, no, it's not right for WWI. Cathy Raymond Looks like a 1980s costume alleged to be 1890s. Except for the hemline, maybe. :-) -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com If someone offers you a dead dog for lunch, you don't stick around for the pudding. --Ben Yahtzee Croshaw ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
