Re: [Haifux] Our view of freedom? (was: CD logos)

2003-11-10 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:53:27AM +0200, Eli Billauer wrote: The CD logo legal discussion brings the paranoia to a new record. I can understand that a company, which wants to use GPL-licensed software, is a bit worried about the legal implications. But us? What are we afraid of? Can

Re: [Haifux] Our view of freedom? (was: CD logos)

2003-11-10 Thread Eli Billauer
Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: You are confusing a few things, notably the GPL'ness of the code and RedHat's trademark. I'm not confusing anything. I understand the legal issues. I only think that all this dealing with legal issues are far away from anything that I call freedom. If the life of a free

Re: [Haifux] Our view of freedom? (was: CD logos)

2003-11-10 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:14:02PM +0200, Eli Billauer wrote: I'm not confusing anything. I understand the legal issues. I only think that all this dealing with legal issues are far away from anything that I call freedom. If the life of a free software enthusiast is full with legal ass

Re: [Haifux] CD logos

2003-11-10 Thread Maor Meir
Regarding the first 3 CDs they are truely Redhat CDs. The last CD contains redhat updates and a few more things which are by no means redhat. I do think we should add an inner cover(at least for the updates CD) making it abundantly clear, that this CD was not compiled by RedHat but does contain

RE: [Haifux] CD logos

2003-11-10 Thread Haim Ravia
Read the Red Hat FAQs. -Original Message- From: Maor Meir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:16 PM To: RAVIA Cc: Shachar Shemesh; Haifux Subject: Re: [Haifux] CD logos Regarding the first 3 CDs they are truely Redhat CDs. The last CD contains

RE: [Haifux] CD logos

2003-11-10 Thread Orna Agmon
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Haim Ravia wrote: Read the Red Hat FAQs. /me is reading the FAQ. There is nothing unclear about this: The updates CD is not the problem: it is the three RH cds. We, in this case hamakor, which is the legal body, is selling CDs, and getting money. It does not matter that

[Haifux] Re: Please recommend linux sites

2003-11-10 Thread Dotan Mazor
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:13:16 +0200 (IST), Alon Altman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, We are building the branding for the Haifux distro based on RH9. It would probably be too late to mention, but since RH would stop supporting its 9 version in the next months, I would recommend you to

Re: [Haifux] Re: Please recommend linux sites

2003-11-10 Thread Ez-Aton
Well, it is too late, and besides, there are both Fedora and MDK nowdays, meant for newbies. You should remember that Debian is not considered fit for newbies, and therefore, we better not install it. Ez. On Monday 10 November 2003 09:55, Dotan Mazor wrote: On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:13:16 +0200

[Haifux] Reminder: Pre-Linux day Meeting

2003-11-10 Thread Alon Altman
Hello all, This is a reminder that today (10/11) we will have a meeting with installers before the Linux Day. The meeting will be held in room 3 in the Taub Computer Science building at the Technion at 18:30. The meeting is mandatory for those who wish to be installers in the Linux Day on

Re: [Haifux] Re: Please recommend linux sites

2003-11-10 Thread Shachar Shemesh
I have personally installed Debian for several newbies. There is nothing, I repeat, nothing wrong with Debian for newbies. The only problem with Debian is the initial HW configuration process. As this takes place during the installation party, that really should not be an issue. Having said

RE: [Haifux] CD logos

2003-11-10 Thread Maor Meir
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Orna Agmon wrote: On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Haim Ravia wrote: Read the Red Hat FAQs. /me is reading the FAQ. There is nothing unclear about this: The updates CD is not the problem: it is the three RH cds. We, in this case hamakor, which is the legal body, is

RE: [Haifux] CD logos

2003-11-10 Thread Haim Ravia
Couldn't agree more (although I ache the loss of a potentially good case :) -Original Message- From: Orna Agmon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:54 PM To: RAVIA Cc: 'Maor Meir'; 'Shachar Shemesh'; 'Haifux' Subject: RE: [Haifux] CD logos On Mon,

Re: [Haifux] CD Logos - we have explicit permission

2003-11-10 Thread Alon Altman
We should prepare a small page saying (a) we give no warranties and (b) This distribution does not include support (either technical or developer) services from Red Hat but that such services may be purchased from Red Hat separately. This page will be given to anyone who buys a CD set. Note

Re: [Haifux] CD Logos - we have explicit permission

2003-11-10 Thread Shachar Raindel
This clean the first 3 CDs (we only need to fix the instalee forms now...). We still need to fix the updates CD. On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Alon Altman wrote: From http://www.redhat.com/about/corporate/trademark/guidelines/page9.html : Educational Institutions, Not-For-Profits, Linux User Groups

RE: [Haifux] CD Logos - we have explicit permission

2003-11-10 Thread Haim Ravia
Well,,, I should have read these pages also :( Thanks, Alon. I imagine Haifux should qualify as a Linux User Group so the changed neede are adding a printed document with the content described below. -Original Message- From: Haifux - Haifa Linux Club [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [Haifux] CD Logos - we have explicit permission

2003-11-10 Thread Ez-Aton
On Monday 10 November 2003 13:41, Shachar Raindel wrote: This clean the first 3 CDs (we only need to fix the instalee forms now...). We still need to fix the updates CD. The updates CD does not try to be RH Linux, and it is not a modified version of RH. It is no more then updates, made by Rh

Re: [Haifux] CD logos

2003-11-10 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Haim Ravia wrote: While I have my own reservations regarding the Red Hat policy, let me offer you the following simple guideline: what is right = what is legal. Not trying to open an old discussion again, but I would like it explained again, if you can. As far as I understand Trademark law -

Re: [Haifux] CD logos

2003-11-10 Thread Ron Artstein
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Furthermore - RedHat themselves distribute RedHat Linux 9 as free downloads from their site, without any accompanying support. As such, it is them (the trademark holder) that decided that the specific ISOs can be called RedHat Linux 9. Unless

Re: [Haifux] Re: Please recommend linux sites

2003-11-10 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Oded Arbel wrote: Contrary to common belief, users (not power-users) are required to administer their computers. Installing new hardware (graphical card, hard-drive or even a new mouse), removing old software and installing new, creating more users, changing ISP - these things users expect to