Re: [Haifux] Entry Permission Form

2007-12-24 Thread Leon Romanovsky
OK, Let's try this way

Nir Abulaffio wrote:
 I wish to thank Leon for the service he offered. I used the service about
 5 times this year and I am really grateful. This monday 17/12/07 I asked
 for a permit (for Eli's lecture). I am sorry to admit that for the first
 time I didn't use it because I came with someone who has a fixed entry
 permit (my car broke down on that morning).
 It would be great if we had a free pass, it could be set-up for every
 monday from 18:15 to 20:00. possibly with a notification message from
 someone (in the technion) every monday if there a lecture or not.
 Thank you again for the efforts.
 Nir.
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 On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Orr Dunkelman wrote:
 
 I think that the next dates are fixed:

 24/12 - Linux premier

 7/1 - advanced networking

 21/1 - crawlers

 It is also a good incentive to keep the lectures at standard dates :)



 On Dec 19, 2007 9:02 PM, Leon Romanovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello again,

 As a follow up to previous mail,

 I talked with Kabat's office and they suggested new way of our
 communication. Instead registration, they agreed to allow vehicle entry
 to everyone coming to lecture without any registration.The problem is
 that we need provide schedule for a number of weeks before with their
 agenda.

 Is it possible to us be more responsible with schedule ?


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Re: [Haifux] Entry Permission Form

2007-12-20 Thread Nir Abulaffio
I wish to thank Leon for the service he offered. I used the service about
5 times this year and I am really grateful. This monday 17/12/07 I asked
for a permit (for Eli's lecture). I am sorry to admit that for the first
time I didn't use it because I came with someone who has a fixed entry
permit (my car broke down on that morning).
It would be great if we had a free pass, it could be set-up for every
monday from 18:15 to 20:00. possibly with a notification message from
someone (in the technion) every monday if there a lecture or not.
Thank you again for the efforts.
Nir.
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Network Engineer|   Mount Carmel,Haifa 31905
|   tel:+972-4-8240728 fax:+972-4-8249177


On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Orr Dunkelman wrote:

 I think that the next dates are fixed:

 24/12 - Linux premier

 7/1 - advanced networking

 21/1 - crawlers

 It is also a good incentive to keep the lectures at standard dates :)



 On Dec 19, 2007 9:02 PM, Leon Romanovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello again,
 
  As a follow up to previous mail,
 
  I talked with Kabat's office and they suggested new way of our
  communication. Instead registration, they agreed to allow vehicle entry
  to everyone coming to lecture without any registration.The problem is
  that we need provide schedule for a number of weeks before with their
  agenda.
 
  Is it possible to us be more responsible with schedule ?
 
 
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Re: [Haifux] Entry Permission Form

2007-12-19 Thread Orr Dunkelman
I think that the next dates are fixed:

24/12 - Linux premier

7/1 - advanced networking

21/1 - crawlers

It is also a good incentive to keep the lectures at standard dates :)



On Dec 19, 2007 9:02 PM, Leon Romanovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello again,

 As a follow up to previous mail,

 I talked with Kabat's office and they suggested new way of our
 communication. Instead registration, they agreed to allow vehicle entry
 to everyone coming to lecture without any registration.  The problem is
 that we need provide schedule for a number of weeks before with their
 agenda.

 Is it possible to us be more responsible with schedule ?


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Re: [Haifux] Entry Permission

2007-05-08 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Mon, May 07, 2007, Amichai Rotman wrote about Re: [Haifux] Entry 
Permission:
 I worked in Security beck in Jerusalem and have some awarness to the issue.
...

Hi,

You and several other people talked about security. Do you actually believe
that these gatekeepers at the Technion entrances have anything to do with
security of the Technion's professors and students? This couldn't be
further than the truth. It may have started this way, but right now their
main concern is to lower the number of cars parking in the campus. They
forgot all about the professors and students that they are supposed to serve
and guard - right now, the opposite is the case, and even professors are
often harassed when they want to invite people in.

Does it strike you odd that (according to the mail quoted earlier), the
kabat is more concerned about students, god forbid, entering the Technion
in the evening, then criminals or terrorists? This just goes to show you
the way his organization really thinks and behaves - it has nothing to do
with security.

By the way, ever wondered how does checking cars at the entrance going to
scare off criminals and terrorists? How hard it is for a terrorist to get
into the Technion with a bus, or just drive in and ignore the guard at the
entrance (it's not like they're armed with M16s...)? How hard is it for
a criminal intending to, for example, burglerize the Technion, drive in
with a fake red badge on the windshield? And, anyway, what's the point in
checking the criminal's car before, not after, he stolen things?

 Each attendee will fill out a hard copy form at the next Haifux meeting
 he/she attends. The forms will then be processed by the Kabat and the VIP
 cards will be sent by snail-mail (if possible) or picked up by the attendee
 the next time he/she attends.

I suggest you add to this fingerprinting and DNA sequencing. Otherwise, how
would you know that a criminal/terrorist hasn't stolen someone's VIP card
and using it to blow up the technion and/or steal something?

 Old-style solutions work the best in the security field. If it were
 different, we all had key cards and pad locks to our homes...

And all hotels would have had key cards instead of keys... Oh, wait, they
do! Maybe they're not idiots, after all? :-)

 I'd also feel a lot better if we could help, even by little, to make the
 Technion a bit more secure. It's darn too easy to infiltrate and do
 whatever  as it is right now

inflitrate? The Technion isn't a top secret army base, it's a thriving
city (as its name in Hebrew says) of a few tens of thosands of people.
Just like anyone can infiltrate my own neighborhood (a 10 minute walk
from the Technion), why should you be afraid that someone can infiltrate
the Technion? Is it perhaps better that terrorists/criminals operate in
my own neighborhood, and not in the sacred Technion?

 These are my 2 cents

My contribution is worth less than that, even with the declining dollar ;-)

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Re: [Haifux] Entry Permission

2007-05-07 Thread Amichai Rotman

Hello Guys,

I worked in Security beck in Jerusalem and have some awarness to the issue.

As in Networking Security, all you need is one unsecured machine on the
network to put the rest in jeopardy.

The solution is simple:

Each attendee will fill out a hard copy form at the next Haifux meeting
he/she attends. The forms will then be processed by the Kabat and the VIP
cards will be sent by snail-mail (if possible) or picked up by the attendee
the next time he/she attends.

The form should have all contact info, car info and a signature. If an
e-mail address is provided, the attendee will receive an e-mail notification
about the VIP card availability. (It's ready - come pick it up).

It's like the Electronic vs. mechanical lock debate to a door

Old-style solutions work the best in the security field. If it were
different, we all had key cards and pad locks to our homes...

I'd also feel a lot better if we could help, even by little, to make the
Technion a bit more secure. It's darn too easy to infiltrate and do
whatever  as it is right now

These are my 2 cents


On 5/7/07, Leon Romanovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks.
I think that the preferred way is to review report before sending.
There is more unnecessary complexity to require users register and after
that trying to secure the data (you know there are bad people everywhere).

But right now, we(me and Orr) have NO volunteers at all.


Bilbo Bugginz wrote:
 Hi, Leon et al.

 My 2 Cents:

 On 5/6/07, Leon Romanovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Hi,

 I talked with Amos (Technion's kabat) and he agreed to allow entrance
for
 haifux audience with vehicles.


 His requirements are very simple:

 1) Limit entry permission only to non-student (Right now we don't need
to
 think about, because we are small group).

 2) Fax him report with ID, name and vehicle ID before lecture.


 It will work only as a group, there is NO need to send one by one.




 We need volunteers that will write the following modules:

 1) Online registration form

 2) Report compilation module

 3) (If it possible) Report-Fax sending module (I can donate
FAX-modem).

 4) Status information for administrator via email.

 I think all these should be reviewed by the administrator, or should
 be enabled only for ( registered  Identity verified )┬┤participants,

 otherwise anybody ( incl. regular criminals or even terrorists )
 can use that form to obtain entry permission into the campus with a
 vehicle.

 Please take care of this.

 Regards,
 BB



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Re: [Haifux] Entry Permission

2007-05-06 Thread Bilbo Bugginz

Hi, Leon et al.

My 2 Cents:

On 5/6/07, Leon Romanovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Hi,

I talked with Amos (Technion's kabat) and he agreed to allow entrance for
haifux audience with vehicles.


His requirements are very simple:

1) Limit entry permission only to non-student (Right now we don't need to
think about, because we are small group).

2) Fax him report with ID, name and vehicle ID before lecture.


It will work only as a group, there is NO need to send one by one.




We need volunteers that will write the following modules:

1) Online registration form

2) Report compilation module

3) (If it possible) Report-Fax sending module (I can donate FAX-modem).

4) Status information for administrator via email.


I think all these should be reviewed by the administrator, or should
be enabled only for ( registered  Identity verified )┬┤participants,

otherwise anybody ( incl. regular criminals or even terrorists )
can use that form to obtain entry permission into the campus with a vehicle.

Please take care of this.

Regards,
BB




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