Re: [Hardhats-members] VistA® is a regi stered trademark number 2134973

2006-02-27 Thread Stephen Hay
Don't forget this... Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Greg Woodhouse wrote: --- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The New York Times even did it and it was not a mistake. It is corrected by editors to Vista from VistA because we fail to point out that VistA is VistA® . So, we need to

[Hardhats-members] Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: [Hardh ats-members] VistA® is a registeredtrademark number 2134973

2006-02-27 Thread Stephen Hay
Understand the difference. Referring to MS was in response to Greg's suggestion to use Vista with nothing - which is protected by the tm. TM can have implications when length of use comes into the dispute... In any case, wasn't there something somewhere about WorldVistA and Microsoft

Re: [Hardhats-members] A Pill, a Scalpel, a Database

2006-02-16 Thread Stephen Hay
Consider this. A database/patient management system exists full of rich patient data. What's being debated in this thread is policy, which translates into business rules, the data's the same, regardless. If the business rules are set up to reflect policy, they can be changed as policy

Re: [Hardhats-members] A Pill, a Scalpel, a Database

2006-02-16 Thread Stephen Hay
Loud and clear...! Shame I'm not a policy maker... ;-) Ruben Safir wrote: And people who make policy tend not to be subject to that policy - at least, where I live that's the case... Likewise, the people who demand the information be made public are usually in a position, I say usually, that

Re: [Hardhats-members] A Pill, a Scalpel, a Database

2006-02-16 Thread Stephen Hay
Likewise: Chris Farley wrote: Comments are inserted below: Chris Farley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Hay Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:31 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members

Re: [Hardhats-members] A Pill, a Scalpel, a Database

2006-02-16 Thread Stephen Hay
Sometimes a picture is worth, well, you know... ;-) http://www.claybennett.com/pages/10_29_01.html Kevin Toppenberg wrote: This sounds like a discussion from an ethics course, where we have a discordance between conflicting principles. As physicians, we are trained to be patient advocates.

Re: [Hardhats-members] UML: The Positive Spin

2006-01-21 Thread Stephen Hay
Hi Kevin, I have to agree!! One of the problems with UML is that people try to either use it to do everything - and there are a lot of things that the conventions within UML were never meant to handle - or they think that, to be complete, they have to use all the diagram types on a project.

Re: [Hardhats-members] UML: The Positive Spin

2006-01-19 Thread Stephen Hay
Dammit! Exposed!!! ;-) Greg Woodhouse wrote: If you're an ardent fan of OO and have no sense of humor, you may want to think twice before reading this, but it made me smile. http://archive.eiffel.com/doc/manuals/technology/bmarticles/uml/page.html === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] All

Re: [Hardhats-members] UML: The Positive Spin

2006-01-19 Thread Stephen Hay
Or, is UML just passing through the first stage of truth ? :-) Greg Woodhouse wrote: If you're an ardent fan of OO and have no sense of humor, you may want to think twice before reading this, but it made me smile. http://archive.eiffel.com/doc/manuals/technology/bmarticles/uml/page.html ===

Re: [Hardhats-members] New Developers, MUMPS language syntax, etal....

2006-01-18 Thread Stephen Hay
for Enterprise information architectures. They are not brains-off recipes and so, like all standards (common conventions) require thought and innovation that will respond to HH talents. On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Stephen Hay wrote: Hi, Are these models available somewhere? Are they formalised, or do

Re: [Hardhats-members] Attracting developers

2006-01-17 Thread Stephen Hay
As a potential adopter, or at least someone trying to interest organisations in becoming potential adopters, I have to support this train of thought. If it's not possible to show that there's a process in place to ensure that all the substantial changes and patches will be picked up and

Re: [Hardhats-members] New Developers, MUMPS language syntax, etal....

2006-01-17 Thread Stephen Hay
Cycle processes and the prevalent MUMPS Prototyping Life Cycel Model in 1998 and 1999 MDC meetings but we've bee in Never-Neverland since and its time to return to the real world and get on with it in order to benefit healthcare as Stephen notes. On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Stephen Hay wrote: I'd

Re: [Hardhats-members] Abstraction

2006-01-17 Thread Stephen Hay
Try this: http://www.sse.edu/NR/rdonlyres/D5EFC4CD-9924-44DB-A1C0-B4855AAB642B/0/HotStove_OrgScience.pdf Gregory Woodhouse wrote: Try Googling Hot Stove Effect. There a number of research papers coming out of the business schools that address exactly this issue, or it's converse... They

Re: [Hardhats-members] Theory and practice

2006-01-16 Thread Stephen Hay
Hi Greg, I understand what you're saying, though not necessarily the subject matter... :-) From my standpoint/experience it's a marketing issue, in the largest sense. And I don't say that lightly, or tritely... There are people who are naturally inclined to investigate the theoretical for

Re: [Hardhats-members] New Developers, MUMPS language syntax, et al....

2006-01-15 Thread Stephen Hay
Thanks to all who responded, I feel a little better now. I guess part of the issue is that there are two issues, for me. One is easily addressed by pointing people to the vendors who are using MUMPS in their applications. But I'm really interested in the open source aspect... The other

Re: [Hardhats-members] New Developers, MUMPS language syntax, et al....

2006-01-15 Thread Stephen Hay
I think I feeling much better... :-) Consistent with the invisible technology bit, my own work in modelling is rendering the invisible, visible. As with technology, organisational infrastructure only becomes apparent when it's not working... So, when we feel that it's not working, we need to

[Hardhats-members] Re: Teaching and Learning

2006-01-14 Thread Stephen Hay
Joseph's and John's words reminded me of a course I once did with the World Health Organisation. Amazingly, I have the monograph in front of me, Educational Handbook for Health Personnel, J-J. Guilbert, 1992. In it, they draw heavily on the work of Mager (mid-50s) and strongly advise that

[Hardhats-members] Re: Vista UML Diagrams

2006-01-11 Thread Stephen Hay
Does anyone else get this: The FTP server 215 MSDOS A N (FTPServer V4R2 by BisonWare International) is currently unsupported. when trying to access these diagrams?? And would anyone be interested in having a full set of diagrams? I'm guessing that they could prove useful in the event that

[Hardhats-members] Re: VistA UML Diagrams

2006-01-11 Thread Stephen Hay
Thanks to all who responded. I've managed to download the diagrams and, yes, they certainly look as though they were generated automatically... So, to answer some of the questions. I use a tool called Mega Suite from www.mega.com which is widely regarded as best of breed for process

[Hardhats-members] Re: Goedelian malaise

2005-11-13 Thread Stephen Hay
Hi, While not a software engineer, I've followed these types of conversations quite often over the past decade or so... My conclusion? That software code is frozen thought and that physics (Newtonian or otherwise) is the wrong science to be bringing to it. With what do we replace

[Hardhats-members] Re: VistA Community Conference Call

2005-11-12 Thread Stephen Hay
Okay, thanks to both of you for the explanation and suggestion... --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very

Re: [Hardhats-members] VistA Community Conference Call

2005-11-11 Thread Stephen Hay
Hello, Is it possible to put the notice about these calls into the digest a day earlier? I receive the Hardhats digest at about 17.00 local time, here in NZ... And every now and then it contains reference to a Community Call, like this: Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:06:51 -0600 Subject:

[Hardhats-members] Re: Internationalising VistA

2005-10-27 Thread Stephen Hay
Well, what can I say...? Thank you for the warm welcome and words of encouragement. What a great start! I'll make contact off-line as necessary and continue to watch what happens here, trying not to make too many off-topic posts... I look forward to finding ways to collaborate as we all

[Hardhats-members] Internationalising VistA

2005-10-26 Thread Stephen Hay
direction? Many thanks, Stephen Hay --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today * Register for a JBoss Training Course Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005 Visit http