Am I missing something? You expected the ships to be sitting just
outside of NO, prior to a Hurricane hitting the area? What do you think
would happen to the ships? I would expect they would be large piles of
steel and rubble along with everything else that was in the wake of Katrina.
-Gary
I think the extensions go into your profile, so if you want to take it w/ you'd need to take the profile w/ you too.On 9/1/05, Brian Weeden <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:On 9/1/05, Francisco Tapia <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Couldn't you just zip your firefox program file location along w/ your> prof
That makes sense. Are you trying to say that there are no
corporations, profits or rich people in NO? LOL.
-Gary
Al said the following on 9/1/2005 11:41 AM:
>
>This Administration and Congress don't care about the common people.
>Only the rich, the corporations and profits.
>
>Al
>
>
OK, where is the next natural disaster going to happen? Hurry, we need
to start pumping in Billions of dollars.
-Gary
Al said the following on 8/31/2005 7:50 PM:
>one we should have spent the 400 billion on.
>
>"jeff.lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Another good trick...
+1000
-Gary
jeff.lane said the following on 8/31/2005 7:44 PM:
> Very good, Brian. I, too, am getting very tired of these ranting
> agendas. We have a lot of people out there that are dying or will be
> if help does not get there. This include the morons that stayed for
> the parties, surfing,
C64 ruled in it's day! Thank god for emulation as I threw mine out 10
years ago.
Dad still has a A1000 in storage that I have been trying to get from him
for years.
Al wrote:
Anyone here remember Q-Link?
http://www.petscii.com/qlink/
It's Back
Al
At 11:08 PM 9/1/2005, j m g typed:
Ah, republican penis envy. BC had a Rep congress the whole time and new
we've got a Rep pres and congress. If stuff is broken now, guess what -
it is their fault.
I'm sure that the Dems didn't filibuster anything that was worth doing
either? If it were up
From Fox News. 8:02PM PDT.
SENATE APPROVES $10.5 BILLION IN AID FOR HURRICANE KATRINA VICTIMS; HOUSE
CONVENES AT NOON TO SPEED BILL TO BUSH FOR APPROVAL
Looks like they are not on vacation after
all.
- Original Message -
From:
j m g
To: The Hardware List
Sent: Thursd
Ah, republican penis envy. BC had a Rep congress the whole time
and new we've got a Rep pres and congress. If stuff is broken
now, guess what - it is their fault.On 9/1/05, Wayne Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At 04:07 PM 9/1/2005, Christopher Fisk typed:>I played online poker last night. Ho
For what it's worth, they actually have plans for when Mt. Rainer blows.
Won't do a lot of good and will make Katrina look mellow. But at least, if
St Helens is a guide, we'll have several months warning.
There won't be any warning when the big one quakes in the Pacific off
Washington. Geologi
At 04:07 PM 9/1/2005, Christopher Fisk typed:
I played online poker last night. How dare I gamble while thousands are
dying and homeless!"
I suppose BC was playing with interns. The reason we don't have an energy
policy is because Monica was playing with his cigar.
I've got an idea, why don
I was done with this thread, but since this was sent directly at me...
On 1 Sep 2005 at 17:40, jeff.lane wrote:
> Vince,
>
> In keeping with your thought of "pre-positioning ship"
It wasn't my "thought". It was part of a plan that FEMA had laid out under the
previous administration, part of
Thank God there were few of these
types around after Pearl Harbor or we would be flying Swastikas and
Does Godwin's law only apply on Usenet? :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
Gary VanderMolen
From: "Analyst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
So it's your position that finishing the repairs on the the levees, the
pre-positioning of many pumping ships and hospital ships, let alone the
organization of a coordinated air lift,
would not have made "an
At 9/1/2005 07:40 PM, Chris Reeves wrote:
So, why don't we say, after 12 AM PST tonight, the thread ends.
CW
Good suggestion.
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Brian, you are of course, correct. The normal list rule has been to allow a
thread to run no more then three days. However, even after 1 day, we're
generating way to much traffic, and too much of it still HTML format, which
doesn't make many people happy.
So, why don't we say, after 12 AM PST to
What would Glass do?On 9/1/05, Gary VanderMolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Ok this is starting to piss me off. Can I get an admin ruling on when>> to take this thread off the list and to private? Another few days and>> I will be tempted to just unsubscribe.>
> Back away from the coffee. :)An
Ok this is starting to piss me off. Can I get an admin ruling on when
to take this thread off the list and to private? Another few days and
I will be tempted to just unsubscribe.
Back away from the coffee. :)
And set your email client to ignore/delete this thread automatically.
Gary Vande
On 9/1/05, Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Al
>
> If this is the worst that ever happens to you, you will have it made.
>
Well I didn't mean it that way. It's just I see this crap of blaming
Bush or Clinton or Osama from every other media source 24/7 and all
kinds of speculation about what coul
Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok this is starting to piss me off. Can I get an admin ruling on when
> to take this thread off the list and to private? Another few days and
> I will be tempted to just unsubscribe.
Back away from the coffee. :)
Al
If this is the worst that ever h
Ok this is starting to piss me off. Can I get an admin ruling on when
to take this thread off the list and to private? Another few days and
I will be tempted to just unsubscribe.
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Tyan, remember them not being any hassle, was actually on a first name basis
with one of the techs once b4 he moved up.
Supermicro is a good co but returned one once saying the chipset hint sink had
been removed and heat sink paste applied and declined my RMA. poop list for
sure but I am droolin
On 9/1/05, Francisco Tapia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Couldn't you just zip your firefox program file location along w/ your
> profile? then you could aways just restore it that way.
Last time I looked into that I didn't think all the extensions and
config stuff went into the same directory. I
Intel is of course, good about RMA.
So is:
Supermicro,
Sure, if you don't mind them not actually fixing your problem...
Tyan,
Sure, if you don't mind waiting a month, or getting a replacement board with
obvious physical damage...
FoxConn
To a lesser extent, if I was willing to work t
Couldn't you just zip your firefox program file location along w/ your
profile? then you could aways just restore it that way.On 8/31/05, Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:I love Firefox but have one thing that bugs me - everytime I reinstall
it or install it on a new computer I have to go o
Intel is of course, good about RMA.
So is:
Supermicro, Tyan, FoxConn
To a lesser extent, if I was willing to work the paperwork, I never had a
big problem with Gigabyte or ECS, though I understand others have.
CW
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Be
BTW, the last thing I want to note because now apparently a few politicos
have said this and been hammered.
I get people who say things like "what about the great Chicago fire" and "LA
is on a fault line"
I get that. But, the reality is, those situations are not pressing in a
continuous manner
At 02:43 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote:
I am sick of buying MB's and having to fight with vendors/manufacturers
about RMA. I am personally thinking of buying nothing but Abit or Aopen
because they look like the only ones that have sane online RMA procedures.
I'm sure Abit is using quality caps like mo
I do believe the Army Corp didn't get the money they needed. I would agree
to that. I also don't know, however, if the money would have made much
difference in the end.. maybe a few hours?
Meanwhile, somewhere that money was actually screwed up was at DHS. New
Orleans received 6.5M in the Homel
I am sick of buying MB's and having to fight with vendors/manufacturers about
RMA. I am personally thinking of buying nothing but Abit or Aopen because they
look like the only ones that have sane online RMA procedures. I'm sure Abit is
using quality caps like most are now.
Curious about THG expe
absolutely I vote, for all the good it does, but we must
try
At 10:50 AM 9/1/2005, j m g Poked the stick with:
WHAT? So you don't
vote?
On 9/1/05, FORC5
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
and it does not matter whom is in office IMO
fp
At 09:41 AM 9/1/2005, Al Poked the stick with:
This Administr
Chris,
> Vince, I really don't think we are arguing bitterly with each other
Gee, I would hope not.
> and I think we have a lot of grounds of agreement. I want to state
> that right off.
OK.
> The concept of coming up with $50M/yearly, as you point out, fails to
> put into perspective t
So just because people in NO have it bad, everyone else is
supposed to be in sack cloth and ashes?
Ms Rice's job is to deal with foreign dignitaries, not to provide
aid relief.
Gary VanderMolen
- Original Message -
According to Drudge, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has recently
The removal has been hindered a great deal; since the beginning, the focus
has been on immediate removal of the sick & infirmed to help lower disease
spread and give them a chance at survival, followed by everyone else.
People rushed busses and military convoy equipment to demand their entrance
in
The issue is that the repair, maintenance, and beefing-up of the levees, the very levees that broke through, was STOPPED in
2004, for the first time in 37 years, because of the
Bushies massive budget cuts.
How can you beef-up something when the very act of beefing-up
will cause it to sink faste
Yep, it's a bottomless pit.
Bush was smart not throwing good money after bad.
Gary VanderMolen
- Original Message -
Here's what was happening: as we kept restructuring the levees, they kept gaining more heft.. and they sunk faster and faster.
From 1995-2001, we spent more then $240M
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Christopher Fisk wrote:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/
Sorry about this post, it was not meant for the list. Certainly
interesting though. =)
Christopher Fisk
--
Reporter: "I have a three-part question for you, Mr. President, and a
one-part question for
http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/
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"`How do you feel?' he asked him.
`Like a military academy,' said Arthur, `bits of me keep
passing out.'"
`We're safe,' he said.
`Oh good,' said Arthur.
`We're in a small galley cabin,' said Ford, `in one of the
spaceships of the Vogon Constru
Vince, I really don't think we are arguing bitterly with each other, and I
think we have a lot of grounds of agreement. I want to state that right
off.
I was just pointing out that Louisiana is pitiful with corporate welfare,
and some of their corporate welfare has been more harmful to the situat
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Eli Allen wrote:
from the WaPo's Robin Givhan). A fellow shopper, unable to fathom the
absurdity of Rice's timing, went up to the Secretary and reportedly shouted,
"How dare you shop for shoes while thousands are dying and homeless!" Never
one to have her fashion choices qu
from the dailykos -
Category 4 Hurricane Determined to Strike U.S. -- Cont.
by Hunter
Thu Sep 1st, 2005 at 10:28:22 PDT
George W.
Bush was once known as the C.E.O. President, a term his handlers
eagerly coined in order to convey that the country would from now on be
run like a business. That
What does the Secretary of State have anything to do with disaster relief?
Should she go to Paris and beg for aid? Even though Rice *IS* an incompetent
ass, those stories are a cheap shot.
Not surprised that a closet poofter like drudge pays more attention to shoe
shopping habits rather than t
Um, she shouldn't be on vacation playing around in NYC, she should be doing
something to help with the disaster. She is a cabinet level official, not
just anyone.
Eli
- Original Message -
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Eli Allen wrote:
from the WaPo's Robin Givhan). A fellow shopper, unable t
> Understandable. But to say "where were they to come up with $40-$50M"
> is somewhat laughable also.. New Orleans spent over $320M in the last
> three years divided between the New Orleans Saints stipend program,
> Superdome rebuild, and guarantees in fees paid to the now New Orleans
> Hornets.
According to Drudge, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has recently
enjoyed a little Broadway entertainment. And Page Six reports that she's
also working on her backhand with Monica Seles. So the Gulf Coast has gone
all Mad Max, women are being raped in the Superdome, and Rice is enjoying a
b
Right now there are over 18,000 national guard and military on hand. USMS
services have been there since before the storm, last Thursday, with several
thousand men, and they have worked around the clock.. and I mean, around the
clock.
We can talk ill of political ends, but let's not say that none
Chris,
> I'm not proclaiming oppossition to that.
Yet that is exactly what was stopped by the budget cuts.
> > "Federal flood control spending for Southeastern Louisiana has been
> > chopped from $69 million in 2001 to $36.5 million in 2005, according
> > to budget documents. Federal hurrica
Understandable. But to say "where were they to come up with $40-$50M" is
somewhat laughable also.. New Orleans spent over $320M in the last three
years divided between the New Orleans Saints stipend program, Superdome
rebuild, and guarantees in fees paid to the now New Orleans Hornets.
So, they h
On 1 Sep 2005 at 15:15, j m g wrote:
> You know what, we can go back and forth about why and who should have
> paid for what, state, local or federal funding. But this is a big,
> big, disaster, where is the federal response?
On vacation.
Vince
You know what, we can go back and forth about why and who should have
paid for what, state, local or federal funding. But this is a
big, big, disaster, where is the federal response?
check out cnn.comOn 9/1/05, Analyst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Chris,> WTF do they need 40-50 BILLION to upkeep th
Chris,
> WTF do they need 40-50 BILLION to upkeep the current levee's? The
> Federal Budget was just 70 million for the levees.
Sorry, that was a typo. That should be $40-$50 MILLION.
That's what the cuts were, annually.
Vince
And I'm sure everyone's overjoyed to know that the Pentagon's Patriot Day festivities are still fully funded...On 9/1/05, j m g <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:NYC gets ton's of federal aid. Museums, bridges, hospitals, tons
of cash go to various projects/causes, both infrastructure and fluff.On 9/1/05
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Analyst wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 at 14:03, Christopher Fisk wrote:
The issue is that the repair, maintenance, and beefing-up of the
levees, the very levees that broke through, was STOPPED in 2004, for
the first time in 37 years, because of the Bushies massive budget
cuts.
Why
NYC gets ton's of federal aid. Museums, bridges, hospitals, tons
of cash go to various projects/causes, both infrastructure and fluff.On 9/1/05, Christopher Fisk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, CW wrote:>>> The issue is that the repair, maintenance, and beefing-up of the
>>> levees,
> You're still off some tangent. Several areas of the levees had been down to
> FOUR FEET in height, and the repairs were in progress.
>
> I'd like to see the opposition to THAT, and I don't mean by anti-tax groups
> that don't want to spend money on anything besides a national defense.
>
I'
On 1 Sep 2005 at 14:03, Christopher Fisk wrote:
> > The issue is that the repair, maintenance, and beefing-up of the
> > levees, the very levees that broke through, was STOPPED in 2004, for
> > the first time in 37 years, because of the Bushies massive budget
> > cuts.
>
> Why didn't the city of
It was much easier to put $200M to the Superdome.
CW
-Original message-
From: Christopher Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:36:08 -0500
To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: RE: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, CW wrote:
>
> >>>
Oh, I think it's foolish to say no one anticipated a break in the levees.
However, what are you going to say before hand? Because the state of Louisiana
did a really poor job of spinning I-10 to go one direction, would you say two
days beforehand: "We think this may break the levees?" What goo
Chris,
> So, did both the feds & the state make a mistake? Yes. Did that
> mistake make any substantial difference in the outcome? I don't think
> so
So it's your position that finishing the repairs on the the levees, the
pre-positioning of many pumping ships and hospital ships, let a
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, CW wrote:
The issue is that the repair, maintenance, and beefing-up of the
levees, the very levees that broke through, was STOPPED in 2004, for the
first time in 37 years, because of the Bushies massive budget cuts.
Why didn't the city of NO pick up where the federal govern
Chris,
> The problem with the repair was that many even within the department
> disagreed with the project entirely. Rebulking the current sitting
> levees (not a redesign, a reset & repair) was something that even
> those within the USMS had some oppossition to.. the current weight and
> buttr
In addition, when Bush tries to use the nobody could have anticipated
defense:
"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4204754.stm
I.e lies to the public, he deserves to be critized. Sure maybe Chris is
right in that there wasn't much
Remember, until 1997 FY, Louisiana, with an 18 year old drinking age, had been
locked out of federal hiway funds, as well as having been locked out of
land-based-grant programs until their drinking age became 21. So, until then,
the state really had almost no money to do such projects; by congr
The problem with the repair was that many even within the department disagreed
with the project entirely. Rebulking the current sitting levees (not a
redesign, a reset & repair) was something that even those within the USMS had
some oppossition to.. the current weight and buttressing of the sit
Anyone here remember Q-Link?
http://www.petscii.com/qlink/
It's Back
Al
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Analyst wrote:
The issue is that the repair, maintenance, and beefing-up of the
levees, the very levees that broke through, was STOPPED in 2004, for the
first time in 37 years, because of the Bushies massive budget cuts.
Why didn't the city of NO pick up where the federal
The problem with the repair was that many even within the department disagreed
with the project entirely. Rebulking the current sitting levees (not a
redesign, a reset & repair) was something that even those within the USMS had
some oppossition to.. the current weight and buttressing of the sit
Chris,
> I think if you read through the ACE report to the senate in 1997, they
> argued (and several argued against) that without a complete
> reconstructure of upstream levees and a redesign of spillways, there
> was very little with the ground given.. outside of massive imminent
> domain clai
WHAT? So you don't vote?On 9/1/05, FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
and it does not matter whom is in office IMO
fp
At 09:41 AM 9/1/2005, Al Poked the stick with:
This Administration and Congress
don't care about the common people.
Only the rich, the corporations and profits.
Al
--
Tallyho
and if the dog hadn't stopped to take a shit he would have
caught the rabbit
At 10:40 AM 9/1/2005, j m g Poked the stick with:
Part of the criticism levied at
bushco right now though hinges around the simple fact that the federal
money to simply maintain the levee's vanished with the onset of th
and it does not matter whom is in office IMO
fp
At 09:41 AM 9/1/2005, Al Poked the stick with:
This Administration and Congress
don't care about the common people.
Only the rich, the corporations and profits.
Al
--
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
It's who you look like..Not who you ar
Part of the criticism levied at bushco right now though hinges around
the simple fact that the federal money to simply maintain the levee's
vanished with the onset of the war in iraq and afghanistan and all the
spending on DHS, oh and the TSA, oh and the ill advised tax cuts...On 9/1/05, CW <[EMAIL
> Except those 'protests' were about the REDESIGN and expansion of the levee
> system and it's spillways and locks.
>
> It's a different kettle of fish that because of the Bushies budget cuts, "the
> Corps essentially stopped major work on the now-breached levee system that
> had protected New
Just because folks protested doesn't mean they've got their way.
There was ton's of protesting when the petro companies started setting
up the canals to host their infrastructure, part of the reason the
southern wetlands have gone from a 200 mile to 30 mile buffer area is
directly related to all t
"Analyst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Au contraire.
>
> 'Project Impact' also involved federal planning to mitigate the damage done
> by large natural disasters by taking measures that would be crucial to a
> strategy to save lives and cut
> recovery costs.
>
> FEMA had pre-planned "a
Chris,
> You also, however, forget that several people were indicted for
> embezzlement out of the project and that a congressional budget audit
> made clear that the books could not be reconciled.
>
> Project Impact was always designed at small grants given to
> communities to develop planning
- Original Message -
From: "jeff.lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Hardware List"
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
Strange you should mention total evacuation and desertion of the city. I
was thinking that may be the only opti
In this case, though, its just as easy (and realistic) to blame the French,
who decided to found New Orleans on known marshland by laying down plankwood
and hauling in outside dirt to build an ocean port to moor their ships for
easy defense. Now, at the time, nobody had any understanding of the l
God help those who try and go back. NO is home to about a dozen
superfund sites. There's a lot of heavy industry, petro, plastics
all around NO. Who know's what's floating around.
And why not blame Bush and the Republicans? They've controlled
the the executive for 5 years and legislative since
- Original Message -
From: "Wayne Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Hardware List"
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
housing building codes back then like they do now so to say they're doing
nothing is false. Most of the bui
- Original Message -
From: "Wayne Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Hardware List"
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
The casinos in MS were supposedly designed for level 5 hurricane & look
what happened to them.
But th
- Original Message -
From: "Al" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Hardware List"
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
I'm watching the city of Boulder repaint crosswalks. They are only doing
it where it is completely worn off. I see wh
- Original Message -
From: "Gary VanderMolen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Hardware List"
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
for a Cat 3, next time it will be a Cat 4 hurricane. People should not
live below sea level when they ar
- Original Message -
From: "Al" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Hardware List"
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
We've been aware of New Orleans' inevitable horror for decades, and
absolutely nothing sufficient was done about it.
- Original Message -
From: "Ben Ruset" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Hardware List"
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
There will be no refugee camps. People will be relocated to other cities.
We don't live in a 3rd world countr
You also, however, forget that several people were indicted for embezzlement
out of the project and that a congressional budget audit made clear that the
books could not be reconciled.
Project Impact was always designed at small grants given to communities to
develop planning.. example:
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