RE: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-29 Thread Simon Peyton Jones via Haskell-prime
/ Simon From: Haskell-prime On Behalf Of Anthony Clayden Sent: 06 October 2018 04:19 To: Petr Pudlák Cc: haskell-prime@haskell.org Subject: Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined On Sat, 6 Oct 2018 at 9:47 AM, Petr Pudlák mailto:redir...@vodafone.co.nz>> wrote:

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-24 Thread Ben Franksen
Am 08.10.2018 um 11:21 schrieb Anthony Clayden: > I wonder how different would have been the history of Haskell if Wadler had > not borrowed the terminology "class" and "method". Since Helium has a focus > on Haskell learners/beginners: I wonder how much confusion we might have > saved those

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-24 Thread Ben Franksen
Am 06.10.2018 um 05:18 schrieb Anthony Clayden: > On Sat, 6 Oct 2018 at 9:47 AM, Petr Pudlák wrote: > such as the important laws between `return` and `>>=`. And then for example >> a class with just `return` doesn't give any information what `return x` >> means or what should be its properties.

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-13 Thread Anthony Clayden
Thank you Carlos, but oh dear this is fast becoming as exasperating as the github rounds. We've been talking about modular/scoped instances. All of a sudden you've introduced MPTCs, which nobody even mentioned. And you have a definition of "reachable" which is not GHC's definition: '"reachable"

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-12 Thread camarao
Hi. A concise proposal for the introduction of MPTCs in Haskell follows. A similar ghc-proposal has been written before, but without success (certainly it would be better if some experimentation in ghc was done first, as Carter suggested). The proposal is based essentially on the following (1.

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-10 Thread Anthony Clayden
On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 at 8:41 PM, Simon Peyton Jones wrote You may be interested in Carlos Camarao’s interesting work. For a long > time now he has advocated (in effect) making each function into its own > type class, rather that grouping them into classes. Perhaps that is in > line with your

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-10 Thread Carter Schonwald
ell language standard any time soon. > > > > if you want to make a case for it, demonstrate its utility, this > > mailing list isn't for that. Especially for something that > > fundamentally changes the programming model of the language in > > question in a way that isn't compatible &

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-10 Thread camarao
his mailing list isn't for that. Especially for something that fundamentally changes the programming model of the language in question in a way that isn't compatible merry adventures! -Carter On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 8:47 PM Carlos Camarao wrote: Hi. Thanks Carlos. I wish I could say thank yo

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-10 Thread Carter Schonwald
of the language in question in a way that isn't compatible merry adventures! -Carter On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 8:47 PM Carlos Camarao wrote: > Hi. > > > Thanks Carlos. I wish I could say thank you for clarifying, but I'm > > afraid this is as muddled as all the comments on the two proposal

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-08 Thread Carlos Camarao
Hi. > Thanks Carlos. I wish I could say thank you for clarifying, but I'm > afraid this is as muddled as all the comments on the two proposals. > > I don't want to go over it again. I just want to say that my > suggestion earlier in the thread is fundamentally different. > >>Global instance

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-08 Thread camarao
Em 2018-10-08 06:21, Anthony Clayden escreveu: On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 at 8:41 PM, Simon Peyton Jones wrote: You may be interested in Carlos Camarao’s interesting work. For a long time now he has advocated (in effect) making each function into its own type class, rather that grouping them into

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-08 Thread Anthony Clayden
oaded function". AntC *From:* Haskell-prime *On Behalf Of *Anthony > Clayden > *Sent:* 06 October 2018 04:19 > *To:* Petr Pudlák > *Cc:* haskell-prime@haskell.org > *Subject:* Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are > undefined > > > > >

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-05 Thread Philippa Cowderoy
You're implicitly arguing that no language should have support for declaring informal intentions. That's rather more controversial than you might think and it's worth separating out as a subject. The fact you cheerfully talk about making return and bind inherently related via superclass

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-05 Thread Anthony Clayden
On Sat, 6 Oct 2018 at 9:47 AM, Petr Pudlák wrote: > > IIRC one of the arguments against having many separate classes is that a > class is not a just set of methods, it's also the relations between them, > Hi Petr, I was talking about splitting out Haskell's current class hierarchy as a step

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-05 Thread Anthony Clayden
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 9:00 PM, Jurriaan Hage wrote: > > We first go the slavish route, to provide a basis for changing things > later. Ah. That comment seemed strange, but I've just read up on Helium: you're aiming to provide a beginners' environment for Haskell. Then without type classes,

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-05 Thread Petr Pudlák
Hi everyone, IIRC one of the arguments against having many separate classes is that a class is not a just set of methods, it's also the relations between them, such as the important laws between `return` and `>>=`. And then for example a class with just `return` doesn't give any information what

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-05 Thread Anthony Clayden
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 9:00 PM, Jurriaan Hage wrote: > > We first go the slavish route, to provide a basis for changing things > later. > > So I am not looking for alternative ways of doing this, I am just > wondering whether there is a rationale for doing things this way. > The document does not

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-05 Thread Jurriaan Hage
Hi Anthony, We first go the slavish route, to provide a basis for changing things later. So I am not looking for alternative ways of doing this, I am just wondering whether there is a rationale for doing things this way. The document does not give one. And now I hear that records suffer from

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-03 Thread Anthony Clayden
> We are adding classes and instances to Helium. > We wondered about the aspect that it is allowed to have a class instance > of which not all fields have a piece of code/value associated with them, ... I have a suggestion for that. But first let me understand where you're going with Helium.

Re: A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-01 Thread Cale Gibbard
This and the fact that you may leave record fields unspecified when initially constructing a record are two things I'd probably change if I could. In the rare case of a class with a method that will usually be an error, you could still define that as the default method implementation in the class.

A question about run-time errors when class members are undefined

2018-10-01 Thread Jurriaan Hage
Hello, We are adding classes and instances to Helium. We wondered about the aspect that it is allowed to have a class instance of which not all fields have a piece of code/value associated with them, and that as a result when you happen to call these, a run-time error results. (see Sec. 4.3.2

Re: Process question

2016-10-18 Thread David Luposchainsky via Haskell-prime
On 04.10.2016 19:09, Iavor Diatchki wrote: > Now that we've started with a few proposal, I am realizing that I have no idea > how to proceed from here. > 1. How would I request I proposal to be rejected I think we should be discussing things, rather than inventing too many processes. The number

Re: Process question

2016-10-05 Thread Richard Eisenberg
Does this GitHub feature help: https://github.com/haskell/rfcs/projects/1 After a proposal is accepted, then an individual (or small group) needs to write up the changes to the Report, which should then also go back through the larger committee. And I’ll amplify some of Mario’s questions: >

Re: Process question

2016-10-05 Thread Mario Blažević
On 2016-10-04 01:09 PM, Iavor Diatchki wrote: Hello, Now that we've started with a few proposal, I am realizing that I have no idea how to proceed from here. In particular: 1. How would I request I proposal to be rejected 2. How would I request that a proposal be accepted I don't know if

Process question

2016-10-04 Thread Iavor Diatchki
Hello, Now that we've started with a few proposal, I am realizing that I have no idea how to proceed from here. In particular: 1. How would I request I proposal to be rejected 2. How would I request that a proposal be accepted Ideas? -Iavor ___

Re: [Haskell] I repeat my Question becaue I not really sure to do it right

2016-08-28 Thread Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
On 28 August 2016 at 22:40, <cc...@web.de> wrote: > This is Leksah http://leksah.org/ > Please excuse my false name for it > And the Question is why can I install it. What error messages do you have when you try? From here, this is what you need to do: https://github.com/lek

Re: [Haskell] I repeat my Question becaue I not really sure to do it right

2016-08-28 Thread CCUTM
This is Leksah http://leksah.org/ Please excuse my false name for it And the Question is why can I install it.   excuse me. Mungo1981   Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. August 2016 um 13:49 Uhr Von: "Ivan Lazar Miljenovic" <ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com> An: cc...@web.de Cc: "H

Re: [Haskell] I repeat my Question becaue I not really sure to do it right

2016-08-28 Thread Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
I not know what should I do Which question? What is Laska that you're having trouble installing it? > > Mungo1981 > > ___ > Haskell mailing list > Haskell@haskell.org > http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell >

[Haskell] I repeat my Question becaue I not really sure to do it right

2016-08-28 Thread CCUTM
Ok Haskell is good. Ok Laska is great. And my Ubuntu Studio ist rubish So I try to install Laska on Ubuntu Studio But when I do this, i will get a long list of dependecies which could not reallise So I not know what should I do   Mungo1981 ___

Re: Package version question with Cabal

2015-01-20 Thread Volker Wysk
Am Montag, 19. Januar 2015, 23:32:09 schrieben Sie: On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Volker Wysk vertei...@volker-wysk.de wrote: I've uploaded my library to Hackage, and now I'm trying to install it via cabal: At a guess, the index has not yet been updated --- you may need to wait some

Re: Package version question with Cabal

2015-01-19 Thread Volker Wysk
Am Dienstag, 20. Januar 2015, 05:14:15 schrieb Volker Wysk: ~/src/hsshellscript $ cabal install Oops, this should be cabal install hsshellscript-3.3.3, not just cabal install: ~/src/hsshellscript $ cabal install hsshellscript-3.3.3 Resolving dependencies... All the requested packages are

Package version question with Cabal

2015-01-19 Thread Volker Wysk
Hi! I've uploaded my library to Hackage, and now I'm trying to install it via cabal: ~/src/hsshellscript $ cabal install Resolving dependencies... In order, the following will be installed: hsshellscript-3.3.3 (reinstall) Warning: Note that reinstalls are always dangerous. Continuing anyway...

Re: Package version question with Cabal

2015-01-19 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Volker Wysk vertei...@volker-wysk.de wrote: I've uploaded my library to Hackage, and now I'm trying to install it via cabal: At a guess, the index has not yet been updated --- you may need to wait some time (might be as short as an hour) before trying to

Re: question about GADT's and error messages

2014-05-14 Thread Richard Eisenberg
My understanding of OutsideIn leads me to believe that GHC 7.8 has the behavior closer to that spec. See Section 5.2 of that paper (http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/simonpj/Papers/constraints/jfp-outsidein.pdf), which is a relatively accessible explanation of this phenomenon.

question about GADT's and error messages

2014-05-13 Thread S. Doaitse Swierstra
Given the following code: {-# LANGUAGE GADTs #-} data Any a where AInt :: Int - Any Int -- demo 1 does not compile {- demo1 a = do case a of (AInt i) - print i Couldn't match expected type ‘t’ with actual type ‘IO ()’ ‘t’ is untouchable inside the constraints (t1 ~ Int)

Re: question about GADT's and error messages

2014-05-13 Thread Daniel Wagner
I just hit a similar error the other day. I think the gist of it is that there are two perfectly good types, and neither is more general than the other. A slightly different example shows why more clearly: foo (AInt i) = (3 :: Int) Now, what type should this have? foo :: Any a - a foo :: Any

Re: question about GADT's and error messages

2014-05-13 Thread Andres Löh
Hi. Daniel is certainly right to point out general problems with GADT pattern matching and principal types. Nevertheless, the changing behaviour of GHC over time is currently a bit confusing to me. In GHC-6.12.3, Doaitse's program fails with three errors (demo1, demo2, demo4, all the GADT

OutsideIn(X) question

2014-02-27 Thread Alejandro Serrano Mena
(Cross-posted from Haskell-Café) I don't know if this is the best forum to ask questions about the OutsideIn(X) paper that lies below type inference in GHC. Any way, I sent it to Haskell-café and was advised to send it here also. My question related about the proof of soundness and principality

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A question regarding reading CPP definitions from a C header

2013-10-07 Thread Malcolm Wallace
If you use cpphs as a library, there is an API called runCpphsReturningSymTab. Thence you can throw away the actual pre-preprocessed result text, keep only the symbol table, and lookup whatever macros you wish to find their values. I suggest you make this into a little code-generator, to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A question regarding reading CPP definitions from a C header

2013-10-07 Thread Ömer Sinan Ağacan
Thanks for your answer, looks like this is my only option to do this. Can you provide some information about what does parameters of runCpphsReturningSymTab stands for? I made several attempts but couldn't get any useful return value. For example, I have no idea what does third parameter does.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A question regarding reading CPP definitions from a C header

2013-10-07 Thread Carl Howells
Have you looked into using hsc2hs? If I understand your problem, it's designed exactly to solve it. -- Carl On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Ömer Sinan Ağacan omeraga...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for your answer, looks like this is my only option to do this. Can you provide some information

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A question regarding reading CPP definitions from a C header

2013-10-07 Thread Ömer Sinan Ağacan
Carl, thank you very much. This is exactly what I was looking for, and it solved my problem in 5 minutes. What's awesome is that when Cabal finds a .hsc file it automatically calls this tool. Great. Thanks again. --- Ömer Sinan Ağacan http://osa1.net 2013/10/8 Carl Howells

[Haskell-cafe] A question regarding reading CPP definitions from a C header

2013-10-05 Thread Ömer Sinan Ağacan
Hi all, Let's say I want to #include a C header file in my Haskell library just to read some macro definitions. The C header file also contains some C code. Is there a way to load only macro definitions and not C code in #include declarations in Haskell? What I'm trying to do is I'm linking my

[arch-haskell] Silly question (arch-haskell vs cabal)

2013-09-23 Thread Dawid Loubser
Hi all, As a new user of arch-haskell, I would just like to put the question out there: What is the point of arch-haskell, vs using cabal? Is it simply for the elegance of using a single package manager (pacman) for all packages on my system (Haskell-related and not) or is there some other

Re: [arch-haskell] Silly question (arch-haskell vs cabal)

2013-09-23 Thread Ramana Kumar
One version of the answer to your question can be found here: https://ivanmiljenovic.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/repeat-after-me-cabal-is-not-a-package-manager/ On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Dawid Loubser dawid.loub...@ibi.co.zawrote: Hi all, As a new user of arch-haskell, I would just like

Re: [arch-haskell] Silly question (arch-haskell vs cabal)

2013-09-23 Thread Dawid Loubser
version of the answer to your question can be found here: https://ivanmiljenovic.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/repeat-after-me-cabal-is-not-a-package-manager/ On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Dawid Loubser dawid.loub...@ibi.co.za wrote: Hi all, As a new user of arch

Re: [arch-haskell] Silly question (arch-haskell vs cabal)

2013-09-23 Thread Magnus Therning
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:06:19PM +0200, Dawid Loubser wrote: I have to admit, cabal-install has generallly just worked for me (as an amateur starting out with Haskell), whereas arch-haskell has often incurred failures when building. I am going to try again from a clean sheet, and if I still

RE: Question about correct GHC-API use for type checking (or zonking, or tidying)

2013-09-11 Thread p.k.f.holzenspies
-Jones [mailto:simo...@microsoft.com] Sent: dinsdag 10 september 2013 14:19 To: Holzenspies, P.K.F. (EWI) Cc: glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org Subject: RE: Question about correct GHC-API use for type checking (or zonking, or tidying) What goes wrong if you follow my suggestion below

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC API question: Getting access to cpp processed source

2013-09-11 Thread AlanKim Zimmerman
Thanks for the reference, but GHC already invokes the CPP. I think I am going to have to invoke a load of the module with ghc flags set to keep the output of the CPP phase, and then re-invoke it on that output to get the tokens. My question is more whether this CPP output can be kept in the GHC

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC API question: Getting access to cpp processed source

2013-09-10 Thread Carter Schonwald
you need to run a preprocessor on it to remove the directives On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:03 PM, AlanKim Zimmerman alan.z...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Cafe I have just discovered that GHC.getTokenStream fails if it is used on a module with CPP directives in it. This is reported in

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC API question: Getting access to cpp processed source

2013-09-10 Thread Henk-Jan van Tuyl
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 22:03:16 +0200, AlanKim Zimmerman alan.z...@gmail.com wrote: Is there an easy way to get access to the pre-processed source, without having to explicitly write it to an output file in a temporary location? You can run cpp with function readProcess, as done in function

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC API question: Getting access to cpp processed source

2013-09-10 Thread Henk-Jan van Tuyl
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 00:54:07 +0200, Henk-Jan van Tuyl hjgt...@chello.nl wrote: Another option could be the cpphs package; the documentation has disappeared from haskell.org, but can be found in the Web Archive[0]. I just found the latest documentation at http://code.haskell.org/cpphs/docs/

[Haskell-cafe] GHC API question: Getting access to cpp processed source

2013-09-10 Thread AlanKim Zimmerman
Hi Cafe I have just discovered that GHC.getTokenStream fails if it is used on a module with CPP directives in it. This is reported in http://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/8265 Is there an easy way to get access to the pre-processed source, without having to explicitly write it to an output

RE: Question about correct GHC-API use for type checking (or zonking, or tidying)

2013-09-04 Thread Simon Peyton-Jones
...@utwente.nl [mailto:p.k.f.holzensp...@utwente.nl] Sent: 03 September 2013 14:18 To: Simon Peyton-Jones; glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org Subject: RE: Question about correct GHC-API use for type checking (or zonking, or tidying) Dear Simon, et al, I had a chance to try it now. The strange thing

RE: Question about correct GHC-API use for type checking (or zonking, or tidying)

2013-09-02 Thread Simon Peyton-Jones
; glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org Subject: Re: Question about correct GHC-API use for type checking (or zonking, or tidying) I feel so unbelievably ignorant now. I thought with all the IORefs in the type checking process that zonking did this in these refs. Somehow I started thinking that some

Re: Question about correct GHC-API use for type checking (or zonking, or tidying)

2013-08-30 Thread p.k.f.holzenspies
...@utwente.nl,glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org Subject: RE: Question about correct GHC-API use for type checking (or zonking, or tidying) Haskell is a *functional* language. Consider say $ pre-zonk: ++ pp all_expr_ty zonkTcType all_expr_ty say $ post-zonk: ++ pp all_expr_ty pp

RE: Question about correct GHC-API use for type checking (or zonking, or tidying)

2013-08-30 Thread Simon Peyton-Jones
to. Hope this helps Simon | -Original Message- | From: Glasgow-haskell-users [mailto:glasgow-haskell-users- | boun...@haskell.org] On Behalf Of p.k.f.holzensp...@utwente.nl | Sent: 29 August 2013 14:42 | To: glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org | Subject: Question about correct GHC-API use for type

Question about correct GHC-API use for type checking (or zonking, or tidying)

2013-08-29 Thread p.k.f.holzenspies
Dear GHC-ers, I'm working on building an interactive environment around the composition of expressions. Users can type in (i.e. give strings of) expressions and can then use these expressions to produce other expressions. I'm close to having a working GHC-API binding for this. The resulting

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A question about laziness and performance in document serialization.

2013-08-22 Thread Roman Cheplyaka
ByteStrings using Data.Binary.runPut. I then write this bytestring to a socket using Network.Socket.ByteString.Lazy. My question is this, if the Map object doesn't change (no updates) when it serializes the same document to the socket 2x in a row, does it re-evaluate the whole BSON value and convert

[Haskell-cafe] A question about laziness and performance in document serialization.

2013-08-20 Thread Kyle Hanson
to a socket using Network.Socket.ByteString.Lazy. My question is this, if the Map object doesn't change (no updates) when it serializes the same document to the socket 2x in a row, does it re-evaluate the whole BSON value and convert it to a bytestring each time? Lets say I wanted to have a cache

Question about `compileToCoreModule`

2013-08-19 Thread Daniel F
Hi, everyone, I have a question about `compileToCoreModule` function from the GHC module. I noticed that the following code not just outputs the Core code, but also produces object files and a linked executable (in case when 'test.hs' is a program): --- module Main where

Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell-gtk entry question

2013-07-27 Thread Claude Heiland-Allen
Hi Brian, On 25/07/13 04:14, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: This should be simple, and I thought it had it working, but I've broken it and can't figure out why. What I want is to invoke the callback whenever the user activates and entry in a dialogbox, so I did both this : Not sure what you

Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell-gtk entry question

2013-07-27 Thread briand
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 15:44:44 +0100 Claude Heiland-Allen cla...@mathr.co.uk wrote: Perhaps it's a terminology confusion: in GTK, activate for an entry means pressing return key. This program works fine for me, pressing return prints the text I entered in the box: 8 import

[Haskell-cafe] Parsec question

2013-07-24 Thread C K Kashyap
Dear Cafe, I am trying to implement[1] parsec in go using the Monadic Parser Combinators paper [2] . I've been able to implement plus bind and many While doing the implementation - I looked at bind closely bind :: Parser a - (a - Parser b) - Parser b p `bind` f = \inp - concat [f v inp' |

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Parsec question

2013-07-24 Thread Roman Cheplyaka
Think about this: if you always take only the first element, why do you need lists at all? Roman * C K Kashyap ckkash...@gmail.com [2013-07-24 19:56:29+0530] Dear Cafe, I am trying to implement[1] parsec in go using the Monadic Parser Combinators paper [2] . I've been able to implement plus

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Parsec question

2013-07-24 Thread Kashyap CK
To: C K Kashyap Cc: Haskell Cafe Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Parsec question Think about this: if you always take only the first element, why do you need lists at all? Roman * C K Kashyap ckkash...@gmail.com [2013-07-24 19:56:29+0530] Dear Cafe, I am trying to implement[1] parsec in go using

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Parsec question

2013-07-24 Thread Kyle Miller
Because of laziness, you do in a sense only take the first successful value. When I've made parser combinators for Python before, I've used either generators or exceptions to get lazy evaluation, since computing the whole list of possibilities for each bind would ruin the running time of the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Parsec question

2013-07-24 Thread Roman Cheplyaka
the complete match. regards, Kashyap Sent from my Windows Phone From: Roman Cheplyaka Sent: 24/07/2013 8:19 PM To: C K Kashyap Cc: Haskell Cafe Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Parsec question Think about this: if you always take only the first element, why do you need lists at all? Roman

[Haskell-cafe] haskell-gtk entry question

2013-07-24 Thread briand
Hello all, This should be simple, and I thought it had it working, but I've broken it and can't figure out why. What I want is to invoke the callback whenever the user activates and entry in a dialogbox, so I did both this : Gtk.on entry Gtk.entryActivate (boxHandler entry) (I believe this

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Parsec question

2013-07-24 Thread C K Kashyap
Thanks Kyle, My initial implementation was evaluating the whole list - the current one though just returns the first successful result. Anyway, I think I need the backtracking - I would want the aaa as the result :) I will now explore using go-routines to implement laziness. Thank you so much

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Parsec question

2013-07-24 Thread C K Kashyap
/2013 8:19 PM To: C K Kashyap Cc: Haskell Cafe Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Parsec question Think about this: if you always take only the first element, why do you need lists at all? Roman * C K Kashyap ckkash...@gmail.com [2013-07-24 19:56:29+0530] Dear Cafe, I am trying

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Harder Question - Chapter 4 - 4.12 - haskell the craft of functional programming - Second Edition

2013-07-09 Thread Anton Nikishaev
Manoel Menezes manoel.menezes...@gmail.com writes: Hi everybody! I am trying to solve the question for a long time: [4.12 Harder] Find out the maximum number of pieces we can get by making a given number of flat (that is planar) cuts through a solid block. It is not the same answer as we

[Haskell-cafe] Harder Question - Chapter 4 - 4.12 - haskell the craft of functional programming - Second Edition

2013-07-08 Thread Manoel Menezes
Hi everybody! I am trying to solve the question for a long time: [*4.12 Harder] Find out the maximum number of pieces we can get by making a given* *number of flat (that is planar) cuts through a solid block. It is not the same* *answer as we calculated for straight-line cuts of a flat piece

[Haskell-cafe] newbie question about Functional dependencies conflict between instance declarations:.....

2013-07-05 Thread Nicholls, Mark
Hello, I largely don't know what I'm doing or even trying to do, it is a voyage into the unknownbutif I go... {-# LANGUAGE MultiParamTypeClasses #-} {-# LANGUAGE FunctionalDependencies #-} {-# LANGUAGE FlexibleInstances #-} {-# LANGUAGE UndecidableInstances #-} class Foo x y | x -

Re: [Haskell-cafe] newbie question about Functional dependencies conflict between instance declarations:.....

2013-07-05 Thread Erik Hesselink
The constraint on an instance never influences which instance is selected. So as far as instance selection goes, 'instance Foo x' and 'instance C x = Foo x' are the same. The constraint is only checked after the instance is selected. Erik On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Nicholls, Mark

Re: [Haskell-cafe] newbie question about Functional dependencies conflict between instance declarations:.....

2013-07-05 Thread Tikhon Jelvis
. This means you cannot ensure a type is *not* part of a typeclass. (Or, at the very least, you can't convince GHC of this fact.) For more information about this, take a look at the following StackOverflow question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8728596/explicitly-import-instances On Jul 5, 2013 8

Re: [Haskell-cafe] newbie question about Functional dependencies conflict between instance declarations:.....

2013-07-05 Thread Nicholls, Mark
London NW1 8TT | e: nicholls.m...@vimn.commailto:m...@vimn.com T: +44 (0)203 580 2223 [Description: cid:image001.png@01CD488D.9204D030] From: Tikhon Jelvis [mailto:tik...@jelv.is] Sent: 05 July 2013 2:08 PM To: Nicholls, Mark Cc: haskell-cafe Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] newbie question about

[Haskell-cafe] Basic Parsec float integer parsing question

2013-07-05 Thread Fredrik Karlsson
Dear list, Sorry for asking a simple parsec question, but both Parsec and Haskell is new to me, so please be gentle :-) I have this code: import Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec import

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Basic Parsec float integer parsing question

2013-07-05 Thread David McBride
as floats. On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Fredrik Karlsson dargo...@gmail.com wrote: Dear list, Sorry for asking a simple parsec question, but both Parsec and Haskell is new to me, so please be gentle :-) I have this code

[Haskell-cafe] Fwd: Basic Parsec float integer parsing question

2013-07-05 Thread Antoine Latter
Forwarding to the list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Fredrik Karlsson dargo...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 11:42 AM Subject: [Haskell-cafe] Basic Parsec float integer parsing question To: haskell-cafe@haskell.org Dear list, Sorry for asking a simple parsec question

Re: [Haskell-cafe] question about indentation conventions

2013-07-01 Thread Tom Ellis
On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 05:18:39PM +1200, Richard A. O'Keefe wrote: On 1/07/2013, at 1:04 PM, Richard Cobbe wrote: I should have been clearer in my original question: I'm curious about what to do when a multi-argument function application gets split across lines. That wiki page dicsusses

Re: [Haskell-cafe] question automatic indentation (and so on)

2013-07-01 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, on a related note: At HaL8 I was wondering how well Haskell would be suited for a workflow similar to what the go programmers do: Do not worry about code layout, but let the computer handle it! For more rationale and examples see http://golang.org/doc/effective_go.html#formatting While

Re: [Haskell-cafe] question about indentation conventions

2013-07-01 Thread Johannes Waldmann
Code which is part of some expression should be indented further in than the beginning of that expression [...] Yes. Then the next question is how much further in. My answer is: it does not matter, but make it consistent (like 4 spaces), with the implication that indentation

Re: [Haskell-cafe] question automatic indentation (and so on)

2013-07-01 Thread Richard Cobbe
case ends and the next branch of the outer case begins: case x of A - ... B - case y of Just z - ... Nothing - ... C - ... Similarly (tying this back to my original question), in a do block, applications that span multiple

Re: [Haskell-cafe] question about indentation conventions

2013-07-01 Thread Richard Cobbe
in than the beginning of that expression (even if the expression is not the leftmost element of the line). This means for example that f (g x y z) is OK but f (g x y z) is not. Sure. So my first question boils down to which of the two

Re: [Haskell-cafe] question automatic indentation (and so on)

2013-07-01 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Montag, den 01.07.2013, 07:59 -0400 schrieb Richard Cobbe: How does the indentation tool know if (a b c) is supposed to be the next item in the do block, or merely a continuation of the previous application of f? I would still expect the developer to write correctly intended Haskell,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] question about indentation conventions

2013-07-01 Thread Sturdy, Ian
-cafe-boun...@haskell.org [haskell-cafe-boun...@haskell.org] on behalf of Richard Cobbe [co...@ccs.neu.edu] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 8:00 AM To: haskell-cafe@haskell.org Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] question about indentation conventions On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 05:18:39PM +1200, Richard A. O'Keefe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] question about indentation conventions

2013-07-01 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Tom Ellis tom-lists-haskell-cafe-2...@jaguarpaw.co.uk wrote: is OK but f (g x y z) is not. It seems to me that this means f x1 x2 x3 x4 is not. The OP was initially asking about this situation. If you wrote that in a do, the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] question about indentation conventions

2013-07-01 Thread Tikhon Jelvis
] on behalf of Richard Cobbe [co...@ccs.neu.edu] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 8:00 AM To: haskell-cafe@haskell.org Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] question about indentation conventions On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 05:18:39PM +1200, Richard A. O'Keefe wrote: It looked pretty explicit to me

Re: [Haskell-cafe] question about indentation conventions

2013-07-01 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Tikhon Jelvis tik...@jelv.is wrote: I've thought about writing an automatic indenting tool for Haskell (or, more accurately, a pretty-printer) for another project I have, and this is the main thing that threw me off. While automatic indentation might make sense

Re: [Haskell-cafe] question about indentation conventions

2013-07-01 Thread Tikhon Jelvis
That's certainly true. As I mentioned, I was actually considering a *pretty-printer* rather than an automatic indentation tool per se. The end results are similar, but the pretty-printer is really only the latter part of the problem: it's predicated on already having a valid AST. My particular

Re: [Haskell-cafe] question about indentation conventions

2013-07-01 Thread Richard A. O'Keefe
On 2/07/2013, at 12:00 AM, Richard Cobbe wrote: Sure. So my first question boils down to which of the two alternatives below does the community prefer? (To be clear about the intended semantics: this is the application of the function f to the arguments x, y, and z.) f x y z

Re: [Haskell-cafe] question about indentation conventions

2013-07-01 Thread Richard Cobbe
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 07:53:08PM -0400, Richard Cobbe wrote: Two questions: And what I've concluded by reading this thread: 1) Are there wide-spread conventions in the Haskell community for how to indent an application expression that's split across multiple lines? Well, there's general

Re: [Haskell-cafe] question about indentation conventions

2013-07-01 Thread Patrick Mylund Nielsen
I prefer the other style--as do others, evidently (see the example in my first reply.) I agree that this was a good discussion, but let's not conclude so easily that the entire community is in favor of one thing or the other. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Richard Cobbe co...@ccs.neu.edu wrote:

[Haskell-cafe] question about indentation conventions

2013-06-30 Thread Richard Cobbe
I hope I'm not starting a holy war with this, but I'm curious about an aspect of coding style that's been bugging me for a while, and I'm not finding much discussion of this question on the web or in the mailing list archives. Two questions: 1) Are there wide-spread conventions in the Haskell

Re: [Haskell-cafe] question about indentation conventions

2013-06-30 Thread Darren Grant
, and I'm not finding much discussion of this question on the web or in the mailing list archives. Two questions: 1) Are there wide-spread conventions in the Haskell community for how to indent an application expression that's split across multiple lines? For how to indent an expression

Re: [Haskell-cafe] question about indentation conventions

2013-06-30 Thread Richard Cobbe
clearer in my original question: I'm curious about what to do when a multi-argument function application gets split across lines. That wiki page dicsusses how the layout rule interacts with various special forms (let, where, if, do, case), but it doesn't seem to address function applications, beyond

Re: [Haskell-cafe] question about indentation conventions

2013-06-30 Thread Patrick Mylund Nielsen
operators? Or does everyone pretty much do their own thing? snip Thanks for the pointer, Darren, and I did come across that page earlier. I should have been clearer in my original question: I'm curious about what to do when a multi-argument function application gets split across lines

Re: [Haskell-cafe] question about indentation conventions

2013-06-30 Thread Richard A. O'Keefe
On 1/07/2013, at 1:04 PM, Richard Cobbe wrote: I should have been clearer in my original question: I'm curious about what to do when a multi-argument function application gets split across lines. That wiki page dicsusses how the layout rule interacts with various special forms (let, where

RE: ConstraintKinds feature suggestion and question about type family peculiarity

2013-06-17 Thread Simon Peyton-Jones
this code and | are just using a function with such a Restrict constraint. This is part of a more general question about how to generate better type error messages. The Helium folk did some good work on this. There's a very interesting PhD to be had here. | 2) for some reason the type families

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