It seems to me that trac is mainly about the various 'fptools' projects
and hawiki is about haskell topics in general.
John
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Hello Sven,
Wednesday, December 28, 2005, 1:18:35 PM, you wrote:
may be it will be better to use trac for all other things except for
wiki? we already one wiki system, imho dividing wiki pages between two
systems is not convenient
SP I totally agree with Bulat here: The current state with 2
Am Donnerstag, 22. Dezember 2005 21:51 schrieb Bulat Ziganshin:
Hello Wolfgang,
Wednesday, December 21, 2005, 8:04:13 PM, you wrote:
SPJ http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc
why you are preffered to create new Wiki system instead of continue
using old one (HaWiki)? may be it is better to
On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 11:13 +0100, Ketil Malde wrote:
I'm not familiar with Drupal, but at least EZ publish allows users to
convert pages to PDF - could be quite useful for documentation etc.
This feature is planned for a Drupal, and I just found out that new
Drupal will have the feature to
Hello Wolfgang,
Wednesday, December 21, 2005, 8:04:13 PM, you wrote:
SPJ http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc
why you are preffered to create new Wiki system instead of continue
using old one (HaWiki)? may be it is better to just put on this page
link to the hawiki's GHC page?
WJ trac is
Hello Simon,
Tuesday, December 20, 2005, 12:30:56 PM, you wrote:
SPJ * There were suggestions of newsgroups and web forums.
i think that newcomers, especially yonger ones, will prefer to see web
forum. it's like Mekka now - everyone know how to use it and those who
are not Internet-gurus in
Am Dienstag, 20. Dezember 2005 14:04 schrieb Bulat Ziganshin:
[...]
SPJ PS: GHC is now using Trac as its bug tracker, and has its own Wiki as
SPJ well. Please improve it! (Anyone can edit.)
SPJ http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc
why you are preffered to create new Wiki system instead of
Dear Haskell folk,
A month or so ago I sent a message inviting suggestions about how to
make Haskell more open, and in particular how to make it easier for
Haskell users to contribute. There was quite a bit of traffic for a
while, which has died down now. Here's a quick summary of what I
Simon Peyton-Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Gour suggested using a Content Management System (e.g. Drupal
http://drupal.org/) for haskell.org's front page.
I'm not familiar with Drupal, but at least EZ publish allows users to
convert pages to PDF - could be quite useful for documentation
Simon Peyton-Jones wrote:
* We don't have a plausible way of annotating GHC's user manual. One
suggestion is a tree of Wiki pages, each linked from the corresponding
section of the manual. We'd need an automated way to generate such a
tree, and it's not clear what to do when moving from one
On Tuesday 20 December 2005 11:13, Ketil Malde wrote:
On e.g. Wikipedia, articles are neutral pieces of text, and it's very
easy to improve it in any way. In Hawiki, I feel there is a large
degree of ownership attached to each paragraph, and it makes me a bit
wary of modifying it. Is it okay
Am Dienstag, 20. Dezember 2005 10:30 schrieb Simon Peyton-Jones:
[...]
My sense is that the main action item is
how to make haskell.org a better web site
(This is with no disrespect to John and Olaf, who have done a great job.
But I know they would be only too happy to share the
Gour:
Simon Peyton-Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
b) make a haskell.org repository for haskell-related projects
by adding some required features so that Haskell projects can move from
e.g. SF to haskell.org. Here I'm thinking about Trac - wiki and issue
tracking
system
Am Mittwoch, 16. November 2005 11:32 schrieb Manuel M T Chakravarty:
Gour:
Simon Peyton-Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
b) make a haskell.org repository for haskell-related projects
by adding some required features so that Haskell projects can move from
e.g. SF to haskell.org. Here I'm
Am Mittwoch, den 16.11.2005, 12:56 +0100 schrieb Wolfgang Jeltsch:
Am Mittwoch, 16. November 2005 11:32 schrieb Manuel M T Chakravarty:
Gour:
Simon Peyton-Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
b) make a haskell.org repository for haskell-related projects
by adding some required features
On 14 November 2005 08:32, Gour wrote:
Nobody said that DocBook does not work fine. However let me quote
SPJ's message:
quote
However, I still wonder if there are things we could do that would
make
it easier for people to contribute. Here are two concrete
suggestions: ^^^
- Make
Tomasz Zielonka tomasz.zielonka at gmail.com writes:
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 03:12:40PM +, Duncan Coutts wrote:
I would tend to disagree. I think the combination of the mailing lists,
a wiki and the IRC channel cover most of our communication needs.
Personally I prefer to use mailing
On 11/15/05, Victor Blomqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tomasz Zielonka tomasz.zielonka at gmail.com writes:
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 03:12:40PM +, Duncan Coutts wrote:
I would tend to disagree. I think the combination of the mailing lists,
a wiki and the IRC channel cover most of our
Am Dienstag, 15. November 2005 17:15 schrieb Victor Blomqvist:
[...]
Actually, I heard the same arguments when disucssing webforum vs news at
my institution, most old *nix-hackers prefered the news, and newer (non
*nix-hacker) students liked web forum better.
Maybe because they don't know
On 2005-11-14 at 11:13+0100 Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
Maybe I changed Konqueror's font settings already. The point is that my
settings are in such a way that text with the default font size is well
readable while not taking up too much space. The problem is with
haskell.org's links. They
Am Sonntag, 13. November 2005 22:21 schrieben Sie:
[...]
Hmm, turning off my font settings, it still looks mostly okay. The
font sizes aren't set in absolute terms in the CSS or HTML anywhere
that I can see. They're all set to percentages of the default browser
sizes. Perhaps the problem is
Maybe I changed Konqueror's font settings already. The point is that my
settings are in such a way that text with the default font size is well
readable while not taking up too much space. The problem is with
haskell.org's links. They have a font size of 80% of the default. If the
default
2005/11/13, Gour [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sven Panne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
* DocBook XML can be transformed into a very rich collection of output
formats: XHTML, HTML Help, DVI, PS, PDF, FO, plain text, etc. etc.
txt2tags has the following backends: HTML, XHTML, SGML, LaTeX, Lout,
man,
Sven Panne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Great! If you have already an XML editor, start writing DocBook now! :-)
No, I won't :-)
More seriously: This is again a useless tools discussion, we *are* using
DocBook currently and it works fine. The real problem is not the XML format
and any XML
Am Sonntag, 13. November 2005 22:22 schrieb Gour:
[...]
But don't forget, as it was already stated, get the whole working-chain
ready for authoring in Docbook is not at all ready and for one not
proficient in emacs with SGML mode it is very difficult to write texts with
so many tags.
You
Gour wrote:
Nobody said that DocBook does not work fine. However let me quote SPJ's
message:
quote
However, I still wonder if there are things we could do that would make
it easier for people to contribute. Here are two concrete suggestions:
^^^
- Make it possible for people to add
Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
Hmm, MediaWiki already supports the concept of discussion pages.
Yes, I know. Perhaps I was less than lucid, so to clarify:
But I doubt that it's a good thing to maintain DocBook sources via a wiki.
I think it would be best to keep the documentation in DocBook
On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 11:03 +0100, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
Am Sonntag, 13. November 2005 22:05 schrieb Gour:
[...]
The question is if HTML is sufficient. In addition, HTML is at some
points not well thought-out.
True, but considering the present situation, it is all what is
Am Sonntag, 13. November 2005 22:05 schrieb Gour:
[...]
The question is if HTML is sufficient. In addition, HTML is at some
points not well thought-out.
True, but considering the present situation, it is all what is required.
I doubt this. How, for example, do you implement code
Am Montag, 14. November 2005 10:49 schrieb Ketil Malde:
[...]
I think it would be ideal to provide the documentation on the web as
now, but linking to wikified talk pages. Something like Wikipedia,
(since MediaWiki was brought up) but perhaps with restricted write
access to the feature
Am Samstag, 12. November 2005 10:04 schrieb Gour:
[...]
I'd like that we keep the present css style of the site (color theme)
which I find very nice and appealing,
The font size is way too small!
[...]
iii) forum
pro)- provides ability to have sticky posts for
Am Freitag, 11. November 2005 20:08 schrieb John Velman:
I agree with Gour. I found txt2tags as a result of a discussion on the
GTK2HS list. It is simple to use, readable as is, or easily transformable
to a variety of targets. Also, it is consistent with bird-track literate
Haskell, so I
Am Freitag, 11. November 2005 20:03 schrieb Gour:
Wolfgang Jeltsch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
The advantage of newsgroups over mailing lists is that newsgroups are
designed for discussions among several people and therefore newsgroup
software supports this kind of usage very well while
Am Freitag, 11. November 2005 23:26 schrieb Mark T.B. Carroll:
Gour [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Creighton Hogg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Well, you don't have to be registered to post on it, which
is actually rather nice.
Hmmm, iirc, gmane.org wanted me to authorize in order to be able to
Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
The potential of newsgroup was also mentioned - creating of
compl.lang.haskell, but I won't comment of it considering that the
newsgroup cannot be one all solution, and, otoh, does not, imho, provide
any substantial advantage over the other three forms (we already have
On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 18:18 +0100, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
Am Freitag, 11. November 2005 20:08 schrieb John Velman:
I agree with Gour. I found txt2tags as a result of a discussion on the
GTK2HS list. It is simple to use, readable as is, or easily transformable
to a variety of targets.
Am Freitag, 11. November 2005 15:51 schrieb Simon Marlow:
[...] We already use DocBook XML, and I'm relatively pleased with it, except
for the fact that it's far from easy to set up a working DocBook
toolchain on your system unless your OS of choice is up to date and has
a well-maintained set
Am Sonntag, 13. November 2005 20:28 schrieben Sie:
On 13/11/05, Wolfgang Jeltsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am Sonntag, 13. November 2005 19:21 schrieb Gour:
Wolfgang Jeltsch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I'd like that we keep the present css style of the site (color
theme) which I find
Am Sonntag, 13. November 2005 20:29 schrieb Sven Panne:
[...]
As I'm guilty of kicking out the old SGML stuff and introducing DocBook
XML, I'd like to add two remarks:
* DocBook XML can be transformed into a very rich collection of output
formats: XHTML, HTML Help, DVI, PS, PDF, FO, plain
On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 09:11:46PM +0100, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
Which browser are you speaking about? I use Konqueror.
I don't know about Konqueror, but in Firefox you can quickly increase
or decrease the font size pressing Ctrl with + or -. This is a local
per-window, per-tab setting, so it
I'd like that we keep the present css style of the site (color
theme) which I find very nice and appealing,
The font size is way too small!
Well, in every browser I know (on Linux), you can setup your preferred
sitze for minimum and/or medium font size.
The
Wolfgang Jeltsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(snip)
But do these newsservers support the Gmane mailinglist newsgroups? I
thought that you have to use the newsserver of Gmane in order to access them.
Oh, I have no idea about Gmane things or other things that require
particular news-servers
Wolfgang Jeltsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But do these newsservers support the Gmane mailinglist newsgroups? I
thought that you have to use the newsserver of Gmane in order to access them.
Okay, I checked: none of the institutional servers I have access to seem
to carry them, despite
Wolfgang Jeltsch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
In addition, one could argue that since newsgroups were specifically
designed for discussions, newsgroup software allows proper mangagement
of threads but, well, current e-mail programs might do this in similar
quality.
From the most plain mailers
Wolfgang Jeltsch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
The most important question is: Does txt2tags use logical markup?
A kind of, e.g.
= title =
== subtitle ==
=== subsub...===
if this is logical ;)
Sincerely,
Gour
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Wolfgang Jeltsch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
The font size is much smaller than the font size of other webpages. So if I
would change the default font size to give good results with the Haskell
website, all other websites would have their text in very large letters.
Well, haskell.org has
Am Sonntag, 13. November 2005 22:05 schrieb Gour:
Wolfgang Jeltsch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[...]
The question is if HTML is sufficient. In addition, HTML is at some
points not well thought-out.
True, but considering the present situation, it is all what is required.
Well, that's a
Sven Panne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
* DocBook XML can be transformed into a very rich collection of output
formats: XHTML, HTML Help, DVI, PS, PDF, FO, plain text, etc. etc.
txt2tags has the following backends: HTML, XHTML, SGML, LaTeX, Lout,
man, Magic Point, Moin Moin, Page Maker 6.0
Am Sonntag, 13. November 2005 22:22 schrieb Gour:
[...]
Besides that, 'txt2tags-like technology' is already in use for some time
- e.g AFT (http://www.maplefish.com/todd/aft.html) dating back in '99
and XMLmind XML Editor has plugin which supports (similar) markup called
APT
Simon Peyton-Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Dear Simon,
Dear Haskell folk
One thing that hit me forcibly during ICFP in Tallinn, and the
associated workshops, is that the Haskell community may not be as good
as (say) the Perl community at engaging and involving the people in
the trenches
Well, I in no ways am an expert, but AFAIK the system is PHP/SQL based, therefore I don't think it should be very hard to modify the upload/download system to include PDF or files of any other form for that matter.
On 11/11/05, Till Mossakowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have also made nice
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2005 12:27 schrieb Simon Peyton-Jones:
[...]
- Work is afoot to move GHC's source-code repository to Darcs, to make
it easier for people to contribute patches
Is it planned to split the current big monolithic repository into multiple
repositories in conjunction
Simon Peyton-Jones simonpj at microsoft.com writes:
The important thing is that these mechanisms should work without any
central intervention. These are just two suggestions. Perhaps there
are other such mechanisms that we could put in place. Ideas?
One thing I have missed ever since I
On 11 November 2005 12:57, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2005 12:27 schrieb Simon Peyton-Jones:
[...]
- Work is afoot to move GHC's source-code repository to Darcs, to
make it easier for people to contribute patches
Is it planned to split the current big
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 15:49 +0100, Victor Blomqvist wrote:
Simon Peyton-Jones simonpj at microsoft.com writes:
The important thing is that these mechanisms should work without any
central intervention. These are just two suggestions. Perhaps there
are other such mechanisms that we could
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 03:12:40PM +, Duncan Coutts wrote:
I would tend to disagree. I think the combination of the mailing lists,
a wiki and the IRC channel cover most of our communication needs.
Personally I prefer to use mailing lists, but they have one disadvantage
- if you don't set up
Hello Simon,
Friday, November 11, 2005, 5:51:55 PM, you wrote:
* The GHC user manual [currently generated using DocBook]
I think it should continue to be written in DocBook. (It should
switch to DocBook XML if it's still using SGML DocBook.) XML
documents are type-safe in contrast
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 04:52:30PM +0100, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
IMO, the best solution are newsgroups. What I dislike with web-based
communication (webmail, webforums) is that webbrowsing is not as flexible as
using a specialized software and that you are not free in choosing your
On 11 November 2005 15:48, Bulat Ziganshin wrote:
Friday, November 11, 2005, 5:51:55 PM, you wrote:
* The GHC user manual [currently generated using DocBook]
I think it should continue to be written in DocBook. (It should
switch to DocBook XML if it's still using SGML DocBook.) XML
Am Freitag, 11. November 2005 17:00 schrieben Sie:
[...]
Maybe it's time to register comp.lang.haskell?
You could also setup your own newsserver news.haskell.org and create whatever
groups you like there. This way you could create several Haskell groups,
corresponding to the mailing lists
Simon Marlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
We already use DocBook XML, and I'm relatively pleased with it, except
for the fact that it's far from easy to set up a working DocBook
toolchain on your system unless your OS of choice is up to date and has
a well-maintained set of DocBook packages.
I
I agree with Gour. I found txt2tags as a result of a discussion on the
GTK2HS list. It is simple to use, readable as is, or easily transformable
to a variety of targets. Also, it is consistent with bird-track literate
Haskell, so I can run my .lhs documents through txt2tags and get html,
latex,
Tomasz Zielonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(snip)
Maybe it's time to register comp.lang.haskell?
(snip)
At the least, I find it conspicuous by its absence, given how many other
languages I see in comp.lang.* that I think of as less important, and
how busy groups like comp.lang.lisp are. In lieu
Wolfgang Jeltsch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
The advantage of newsgroups over mailing lists is that newsgroups are designed
for discussions among several people and therefore newsgroup software
supports this kind of usage very well while mailing lists are actually
a hack.
I do not follow
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Gour wrote:
Wolfgang Jeltsch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
The advantage of newsgroups over mailing lists is that newsgroups are
designed
for discussions among several people and therefore newsgroup software
supports this kind of usage very well while mailing lists
Creighton Hogg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Well, you don't have to be registered to post on it, which
is actually rather nice.
Hmmm, iirc, gmane.org wanted me to authorize in order to be able to
post though I do not know what is the present policy.
Also, I think the archiving
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 05:00:52PM +0100, Tomasz Zielonka wrote:
How about an integrated newsgroup+mailinglist+forum. If we had a
two-way newsgroup+mailinglist integration, people could use it also
as a forum, for example through gmail.google.com.
Of course I meant groups.google.com
Best
Tomasz Zielonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(snip)
How about an integrated newsgroup+mailinglist+forum. If we had a
two-way newsgroup+mailinglist integration, people could use it also
as a forum, for example through gmail.google.com. But I don't use
fora, so I probably talk nonsense.
That would
On Friday 11 November 2005 13:56, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2005 12:27 schrieb Simon Peyton-Jones:
[...]
* The GHC user manual [currently generated using DocBook]
I think it should continue to be written in DocBook. (It should
switch to DocBook XML if it's
On Saturday 12 November 2005 02:30, Benjamin Franksen wrote:
On Friday 11 November 2005 13:56, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2005 12:27 schrieb Simon Peyton-Jones:
[...]
* The GHC user manual [currently generated using DocBook]
I think it should continue to
Dear Haskell folk
One thing that hit me forcibly during ICFP in Tallinn, and the
associated workshops, is that the Haskell community may not be as good
as (say) the Perl community at engaging and involving the people in
the trenches [PRL]. Haskell.org is centrally maintained by a couple of
Simon Peyton-Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- Make it possible for people to add comments, explanations, or
questions to
* The GHC user manual [currently generated using DocBook]
* The Haskell 98 Report
The idea would be that anyone could help improve these documents,
and
Sorry to intrude myslf like this in the conversation.
First of all, let me present myself: My name is Andrea Sassanelli, and I'm Italian. I have just started studying Haskell at the UoEdinburgh this year, and immediatelly fell in love with it.
On a sidenote, the wikipedia does rely on moderators
I have also made nice experiences with MediaWiki/WikiPedia.
However, I think while you can include images on MediaWiki pages,
you cannot include documents (like ps or pdf) - these have to be
external links. Of course, the possibility of including such documents
would be a desirable feature for a
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