> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Richard O'Keefe wrote:
>>
>> On 6/06/2011, at 8:11 AM, Chris Smith wrote:
>>> That's interesting... whatever the reason, though, I concur that using
>> Note that the price for XCode applies to *XCode*.
>> It's not a price for *GCC*.
>> Having XCode, I was about t
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 16:47, Malcolm Wallace wrote:
> The ghc team already bundle a copy of gcc in their Windows distribution,
> precisely because it can be fiddly to get a working copy of gcc for that
> platform otherwise. I wonder if they would consider the possibility of
> shipping gcc on Mac
On 06/06/11 15:57, Daniel Peebles wrote:
Isn't gcc just used for its assembler and object file creation, these
days, now that via-C is deprecated? Or are there other parts of it that
are needed?
The C compiler is needed to support foreign export and foreign import
"wrapper", and we also genera
Isn't gcc just used for its assembler and object file creation, these days,
now that via-C is deprecated? Or are there other parts of it that are
needed?
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Malcolm Wallace wrote:
>
> On 6 Jun 2011, at 13:49, Lyndon Maydwell wrote:
>
> > I would be fantastic if XCode
> From: Chris Smith June 6, 2011 8:58 AM
>
> On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 08:51 +0100, Malcolm Wallace wrote:
>> In paying for XCode 4, you are getting a lot of proprietary code in
> addition to gcc.
>
> True... but not *using* it.
>
>> However, XCode 3 remains free to download, if you are a regist
On 6 Jun 2011, at 13:49, Lyndon Maydwell wrote:
> I would be fantastic if XCode wasn't a dependency. ...
>
> Not to detract at all from the work of the wonderful GHC and Haskell
> Platform contributors in any way. For me it would just make it that
> much easier to convince mac-using friends to
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 08:51 +0100, Malcolm Wallace wrote:
> In paying for XCode 4, you are getting a lot of proprietary code in addition
> to gcc.
True... but not *using* it.
> However, XCode 3 remains free to download, if you are a registered Apple
> developer. Registration is completely free
I would be fantastic if XCode wasn't a dependency. As well as the
inconvenience it also weighs in at around 5G (IIRC) of space which is
still somewhat significant.
Not to detract at all from the work of the wonderful GHC and Haskell
Platform contributors in any way. For me it would just make it th
On 6/06/2011, at 8:11 AM, Chris Smith wrote:
> That's interesting... whatever the reason, though, I concur that using
> Haskell seems much easier on Linux and Windows. I had to abandon a plan
> to introduce Haskell in a class I taught this past semester because of
> issues with getting it install
Chris Smith wrote:
> I had to abandon a plan
> to introduce Haskell in a class I taught this past semester
> [12 to 13 years old] because of issues with getting it
> installed on the Macintosh laptops that some of
> the students had.
Truth is, you obviously don't need support for FFI development
> it won't be a pleasant choice to fork over a good chunk of money to
> Apple for the use of free software that they didn't develop.
Whilst I acknowledge your painful situation, I'd like to rebut the idea that
Apple stole someone else's free software and are selling it on. In fact, Apple
develo
On Sun, 2011-06-05 at 17:35 -0700, Donn Cave wrote:
> Exactly. If you don't use MacOS, let alone develop on it, I guess
> it's possible that this looks like an formidable obstacle, but then
> wouldn't that pose some limits to how much you're going to be able
> to enjoy GHC anyway?
Well, I explain
Quoth Chris Smith ,
> That's interesting... whatever the reason, though, I concur that using
> Haskell seems much easier on Linux and Windows. I had to abandon a plan
> to introduce Haskell in a class I taught this past semester because of
> issues with getting it installed on the Macintosh lapto
On Sun, 2011-06-05 at 21:58 +0200, Gregory Collins wrote:
> $5 for XCode is annoying, but apparently Apple "had" to start charging
> for it because of Sarbanes-Oxley and the way they set up their
> "generally accepted accounting principles".
That's interesting... whatever the reason, though, I con
$5 for XCode is annoying, but apparently Apple "had" to start charging
for it because of Sarbanes-Oxley and the way they set up their
"generally accepted accounting principles".
G
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 9:25 PM, John D. Ramsdell wrote:
>> But you don't need Xcode 4, do you? The Xcode 3 that com
> But you don't need Xcode 4, do you? The Xcode 3 that comes with
> the install DVD will work fine!
I'm still looking for the install DVD that my wife has carefully put
aside for "safe keeping". All-in-all, casual use of Haskell seems
much easier on Linux and Windows.
John
Quoth Daniel Peebles ,
> I thought Apple had stopped bundling the dev tools with installation DVDs?
Do you have an install DVD with no Xcode on it? I have it on a
10.6 DVD, when would this have happened (or stopped happening)?
Quoth Nathan Howell ,
> XCode 4 is for sale in the App Store for $5.
XCode 4 is for sale in the App Store for $5. You do need an account, but not
a developer account... so it may be a bit more palatable.
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:03 PM, John D. Ramsdell wrote:
> I rarely use a Mac because it is too cute, but I bought one for my
> wife. I'd like to install GHC on h
I thought Apple had stopped bundling the dev tools with installation DVDs?
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Judah Jacobson wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> You should be able to install the Apple Developer Tools directly from
> one of the software installation DVDs that come with the Mac. If
> you're not do
Hi John,
You should be able to install the Apple Developer Tools directly from
one of the software installation DVDs that come with the Mac. If
you're not downloading the tools from online, you shouldn't need to
register.
Best,
-Judah
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:03 PM, John D. Ramsdell wrote:
> I
I rarely use a Mac because it is too cute, but I bought one for my
wife. I'd like to install GHC on her Mac just to test Haskell
Platform and cabal install. (I rarely use Windows too, but testing
GHC & cabal install is completely painless.) To do a quick test, do
I really have to register as an
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