Don Stewart wrote:
Newbies:
http://haskell.org
Everything regular users need at fingertips
http://dashboard.haskell.org/
That's fine. But please, no matter how minimalist
the newbie page, make sure that there is a clear
and prominent link there to the advanced page.
Otherwise, if I
On 15 Jul 2009, at 06:03, Richard O'Keefe wrote:
On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Thomas Davie wrote:
In my mind, the front page is for nothing more than enticing people
to use Haskell for long enough to look at a second page where all
the useful stuff is if you are a haskell programmer.
I
I asked why make life for regular Haskellers, and
On Jul 17, 2009, at 4:56 AM, Thomas Davie replied:
Because regular haskellers are perfectly capable of bookmarking http://haskell.org/usefullstuff.html
, while newbies will only get what google tells them -- the front
page.
Sorry, but
(1) I
On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Thomas Davie wrote:
In my mind, the front page is for nothing more than enticing people
to use Haskell for long enough to look at a second page where all
the useful stuff is if you are a haskell programmer.
I would have thought that a web page should serve its
On 9 Jul 2009, at 18:32, Thomas ten Cate wrote:
Are there any kind of hard statistics and analytics that we can base
this discussion upon? There is always room for improvement, but
stumbling around in the dark making blind guesses may not be the best
way to go. Although I personally feel that
2009/7/10 Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com:
On 9 Jul 2009, at 18:32, Thomas ten Cate wrote:
Are there any kind of hard statistics and analytics that we can base
this discussion upon? There is always room for improvement, but
stumbling around in the dark making blind guesses may not be the
We could even have a featured package section...
I like that idea!
If there's a blog or something (the contents of which are
automatically pulled into the wiki/site), then there could be a guest
writer each month to write a short post about their favorite (or their
own ;-) package on hackage.
Jeff Wheeler wrote:
...
Search that follows it is awkward. There are three large search
choices for beginners: 1) the search at the top, which confusingly has
two submit buttons (with ambiguous differences to a beginner); 2) the
Search link near the top of the navigation (which links to an
tom.davie:
On 9 Jul 2009, at 18:32, Thomas ten Cate wrote:
Are there any kind of hard statistics and analytics that we can base
this discussion upon? There is always room for improvement, but
stumbling around in the dark making blind guesses may not be the best
way to go. Although I
2009/7/9 hask...@kudling.de:
Hi,
i find the current www.haskell.org frontpage quite overwhelming.
Compare it for example with the home pages of other programming languages :
http://caml.inria.fr/
http://factorcode.org/
http://sbcl.sourceforge.net/
http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/
Hello haskell,
Thursday, July 9, 2009, 5:54:16 PM, you wrote:
i find the current www.haskell.org frontpage quite overwhelming.
it's rather frequent topic here :)
Here is my sketch of a leaner, more structured Haskell front page:
http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/User:Lenny222/Haskell
i
I find it very to the point and not overwhelming at all : it's easy to
glance over it and find quickly what I want.
Thanks for your feedback.
Most people feel overwhelmed when confronted with more than 7+-2 items:
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/
hask...@kudling.de wrote:
Most people feel overwhelmed when confronted with more than 7+-2 items:
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/
This refers to the number of items/things people can remember in their
short-time memory. This has nothing to do with
2009/7/9 hask...@kudling.de:
I find it very to the point and not overwhelming at all : it's easy to
glance over it and find quickly what I want.
Thanks for your feedback.
Most people feel overwhelmed when confronted with more than 7+-2 items:
I've seen book providing a chapters at a glance part, just
before the real table of content.
Such an inverted pyramid is exactly the consequence Nielson draw from the F
shape pattern (http://www.useit.com/alertbox/reading_pattern.html).
And that's my critque: i don't see the most important
I never said we should only expose 7 links.
Take for example the task Find out more about this Haskell i heared about.
You would need to scan the right half of the front page and you need to scan
the left part of the page. There you need to scan About, it could be
explained under Why use
Are there any kind of hard statistics and analytics that we can base
this discussion upon? There is always room for improvement, but
stumbling around in the dark making blind guesses may not be the best
way to go. Although I personally feel that Lenny's proposed page is an
improvement, statistics
ttencate:
Are there any kind of hard statistics and analytics that we can base
this discussion upon? There is always room for improvement, but
stumbling around in the dark making blind guesses may not be the best
way to go. Although I personally feel that Lenny's proposed page is an
2009/7/9 Don Stewart d...@galois.com:
ttencate:
Are there any kind of hard statistics and analytics that we can base
this discussion upon? There is always room for improvement, but
stumbling around in the dark making blind guesses may not be the best
way to go. Although I personally feel that
I think it would be best if the page were targeted towards newcomers, and
not as a jump point for resources.
Such a jump page is useful, but not as a homepage. Perhaps
haskell.org/linkswould be a better place for such a thing.
As an aside, in the current homepage, the Haskell description is
ttencate:
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 18:33, Don Stewartd...@galois.com wrote:
ttencate:
Are there any kind of hard statistics and analytics that we can base
this discussion upon? There is always room for improvement, but
stumbling around in the dark making blind guesses may not be the best
By the way, the most valuable pixels, right at the top of the page,
are wasted on wiki stuff. Compare
http://www.haskell.org/
with, for example,
http://www.ruby-lang.org/
http://python.org/
If, like the consensus seems to be, the page should be made more
friendly to beginners (who are unlikely to
bulat.ziganshin:
Hello Don,
Thursday, July 9, 2009, 8:33:17 PM, you wrote:
FWIW, the current layout is actually based on previous analysis of Popular
Pages a few years ago, so that we have O(1) access to key resources.
yes, and it means that page is optimized for regular Haskell users
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Thomas ten Cate ttenc...@gmail.com wrote:
By the way, the most valuable pixels, right at the top of the page,
are wasted on wiki stuff. Compare
http://www.haskell.org/
with, for example,
http://www.ruby-lang.org/
http://python.org/
The thing I like the
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Derek Elkins derek.a.elk...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Jason Dagitda...@codersbase.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Thomas ten Cate ttenc...@gmail.com
wrote:
By the way, the most valuable pixels, right at the top of the
IMO, causing a segfault in the interpreter is more than just a DOS
vulnerability :)
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Derek Elkins derek.a.elk...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Jason Dagitda...@codersbase.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Thomas ten Cate
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Jason Dagitda...@codersbase.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Thomas ten Cate ttenc...@gmail.com wrote:
By the way, the most valuable pixels, right at the top of the page,
are wasted on wiki stuff. Compare
http://www.haskell.org/
with, for
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Jason Dagitda...@codersbase.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Derek Elkins derek.a.elk...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Jason Dagitda...@codersbase.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Thomas ten Cate
I like the Haskell page the way it is.
The O'Caml web page, is, by comparison,
infuriatingly unhelpful.
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hask...@kudling.de wrote:
For the hompage we're talking about, glancing is even simpler since
everything is on the same page and you can scroll it quite easily.
I don't agree that everything on one page makes comprehension easier.
I'm
Rick R wrote:
As an aside, in the current homepage, the Haskell description is outweighed
by the link menu on the left. IMO the reader's eyes should move from the
title, to the description, then either down or left. Currently my attention
is split evenly between the link menu and the
Don Stewart wrote:
ttencate:
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 18:33, Don Stewartd...@galois.com wrote:
ttencate:
Are there any kind of hard statistics and analytics that we can base
this discussion upon? There is always room for improvement, but
stumbling around in the dark making blind guesses may not
Jeff Wheeler wrote:
I suspect most people who like the Ruby page see the Ruby
is... section as especially effective at introducing the language,
and the random snippet is a simple way to show off a bit of code
before they dive into a tutorial.
I'll agree that that part is slick.
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