it's clear that FP ideas are becoming mainstream
_without_ any need of help from the financial community
This is far from clear - unless you want to deny that the financial community
has had any impact on FP...
due to Objective C with its Smalltalk influence
...and it's interesting to
Henning Thielemann schlepp...@henning-thielemann.de writes:
about functional programming jobs in investment banking ...
I don't think this is bad: having talented people recruited to work
on functional programming will improve the technology for all of us.
I'm not sure I follow this opinion
On 11 Aug 2010, at 08:30, Ketil Malde wrote:
ng on FP in general as well.
But as I interpreted this thread, the premise was not about the
morality
of specific sectors, but rather that finance takes away too much of
the FP talent. My opinion is that we should rather appreciate
business
Investment banking isn't likely to lead to improvements in zygohistomorphic
prepromorphisms.
Given that an investment bank could (purely hypothetically of course ;-)
use - say - paramorphisms as their fundamental approach to processing a
deeply-embedded DSEL, I wouldn't be too quick to
On Aug 11, 2010, at 7:30 PM, Ketil Malde wrote:
Sure, if the premise is that investment banks (or the military) are evil,
then it is morally questionable to support them. If these are the
major consumers of functional programming, one might question the ethics
of working on FP in general as
New technologies are usually introduced by smart people who have the vision,
and drive to communicate the benefits of doing it differently and usually
better to their peers, and seniors.
Few senior IT people will have any FP knowledge, or maybe exposure to the
mathematical or CS fundamentals
Remember that Banks/Financial Firms/Investment Banks were among the first big
uses of punch card readers, mainframes, cobol, C, C++ (and OOP), VBA, Java..
I'm not saying if I like any of those languages (my presence on this list
should give a clue how I feel) but investment banks picking up FP
Of course Banks/Financial Firms/Investment Banks want software that is
correct, secure, and logs transactions.
Aspects are great for cross-cutting concerns like security and
logging; as in AspectJ.
For correctness, functional programming has that.
With monads its easy to add logging and
Tom Hawkins tomahawk...@gmail.com writes:
Second, I would like to know what exactly is bad about a Haskell
job in investment banking as a lot of good programmers work in this
industry.
It's disproportionate. 95% of the job offerings in functional
programming are with investment firms. I
It's disproportionate. 95% of the job offerings in functional
programming are with investment firms.
I'm not sure that is really true. You might see more adverts for
financial jobs, but often those jobs may be advertised multiple times,
because different headhunters see an opportunity to
Rather than high turnover it indicates (in my experience) that it's
difficult to fill positions in finance.
That's one reason they are advertised repeatedly.
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote:
Malcolm Wallace malcolm.wall...@me.com writes:
Lennart Augustsson lenn...@augustsson.net writes:
Rather than high turnover it indicates (in my experience) that it's
difficult to fill positions in finance.
That's one reason they are advertised repeatedly.
Because you can't find people that are good enough (in terms of required
skill sets,
The former.
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote:
Lennart Augustsson lenn...@augustsson.net writes:
Rather than high turnover it indicates (in my experience) that it's
difficult to fill positions in finance.
That's one reason they are
about functional programming jobs in investment banking ...
Ketil Malde schrieb:
Tom Hawkins tomahawk...@gmail.com writes:
(Yes, I realize that's were the money is [...])
Exactly.
I don't think this is bad: having talented people recruited to work
on functional programming will improve
Henning Thielemann wrote:
about functional programming jobs in investment banking ...
Ketil Malde schrieb:
Tom Hawkins tomahawk...@gmail.com writes:
(Yes, I realize that's were the money is [...])
Exactly.
I don't think this is bad: having talented people recruited to work
on functional
Good, we need more functional programmers actually solving real
problems. But please put your skills to work in an industry other
than investment banking.
There are lots of companies outside of investment-banking using
functional programming.
Bluespec, Galois, TypLab, are all serious Haskell
Yes. I find that out of 10 people I train, only about 2 pick it up
and run with it. I'm starting to believe you are either wired for
functional programming, or you're not.
Couldn't agree more. This is the usual conclusion I arrive at when I
find myself wondering why so many very intelligent
Good, we need more functional programmers actually solving real
problems. But please put your skills to work in an industry other
than investment banking.
I've received a lot mail on this comment; mostly positive. Here's one
from someone who wishes to remain anonymous:
First of all I would
Out of 10 people trained only 2 should do programming anyway. :)
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Tom Hawkins tomahawk...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Eil,
Have you had any trouble training people to use Haskell?
Yes. I find that out of 10 people I train, only about 2 pick it up
and run with it. I'm
But do you think there would be more Haskell jobs offered (in absolute
terms), if no investment firms offered jobs?
Is there some kind of quota of job offers that gets used up?
There seems to be more job applicants that job offers at the moment,
so I'm not sure what the problem is.
On Mon, Aug
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Lennart Augustsson
lenn...@augustsson.net wrote:
But do you think there would be more Haskell jobs offered (in absolute
terms), if no investment firms offered jobs?
Is there some kind of quota of job offers that gets used up?
No and no. Again, I think it's
Yes. I find that out of 10 people I train, only about 2 pick it up
and run with it. I'm starting to believe you are either wired for
functional programming, or you're not.
I disagree that only certain brains are wired for FP. I think your
experience can be explained by people's inability
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 21:58:15 -0500
Tom Hawkins tomahawk...@gmail.com wrote:
Good, we need more functional programmers actually solving real
problems. But please put your skills to work in an industry other
than investment banking.
+1000
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