Re: Running texi2any on Windows to generate HTML

2024-09-10 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2024 16:32:26 +0100 > Cc: help-texinfo@gnu.org > > > I was able to install a working version of texinfo from gnuwin32, but it > > seems to lack texi2any. I was able to run makeinfo --html, but while it > > runs, gives me lots of errors (along the lines of "

Re: texinfo 7.1.1 fails to compile with gcc 14 mingw toolchain

2024-09-10 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2024 16:29:43 +0100 > Cc: help-texinfo@gnu.org > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 07:00:15PM +0530, Biswapriyo Nath wrote: > > I am trying to compile texinfo 7.1.1 with gcc 14 mingw toolchain and > > got the following compiler error. > > > > pcterm.c: In function

Re: Running texi2any on Windows to generate HTML

2024-09-10 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Benjamin Kalish > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2024 10:20:07 -0400 > > Any advice on how to get a working instance of texi2any on Windows would be > most welcome. I began a project > on my Mac at home, but when I got to work, where we use only Windows > computers, I was unable to find a > texinfo

Re: HTML node names: Not emitting 'Top (Manual name)'

2024-03-17 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 12:29:01 +0100 > From: pertu...@free.fr > Cc: Gavin Smith , ar...@aarsen.me, > help-texinfo@gnu.org > > On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 09:29:59AM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > If and when we understand the rationale for that code, and you can &g

Re: HTML node names: Not emitting 'Top (Manual name)'

2024-03-16 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 16:13:35 +0100 > From: pertu...@free.fr > Cc: gavinsmith0...@gmail.com, ar...@aarsen.me, help-texinfo@gnu.org > > On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 04:49:11PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Here are my interrogations. First I have three questions about r

Re: HTML node names: Not emitting 'Top (Manual name)'

2024-03-16 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:13:04 +0100 > From: pertu...@free.fr > Cc: Gavin Smith , ar...@aarsen.me, > help-texinfo@gnu.org > > On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 09:29:59AM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > For example, I looked at the mentioned code at > > &g

Re: HTML node names: Not emitting 'Top (Manual name)'

2024-03-16 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 00:12:21 +0100 > From: Patrice Dumas > Cc: gavinsmith0...@gmail.com, ar...@aarsen.me, help-texinfo@gnu.org > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 09:42:28AM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > I think the main reason this solution is not used is tha

Re: HTML node names: Not emitting 'Top (Manual name)'

2024-03-16 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 21:22:17 + > Cc: Patrice Dumas , ar...@aarsen.me, help-texinfo@gnu.org > > For example, I looked at the mentioned code at > https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/admin/admin.el > (the manual-html-fix-* functions) and it is not instantly

Re: HTML node names: Not emitting 'Top (Manual name)'

2024-03-15 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 22:52:20 +0100 > From: Patrice Dumas > Cc: Gavin Smith , ar...@aarsen.me, > help-texinfo@gnu.org > > I had a look at the code in admin/admin.el that (unless I missed > something) seems to do that, and indeed, it makes extensive changes and > needs to parse specific

Re: HTML node names: Not emitting 'Top (Manual name)'

2024-03-15 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Arsen Arsenović > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 22:34:00 +0100 > > >> Ha! the amount of grief those changes caused the Emacs maintainers is > >> beyond complaining. We have a script that massages the produced HTML >

Re: HTML node names: Not emitting 'Top (Manual name)'

2024-03-13 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 17:30:53 + > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , help-texinfo@gnu.org > > > > Changing such long-standing behavior just because it looks like > > > "redundant" is not the best idea IME, but if no manuals and no > >

Re: HTML node names: Not emitting 'Top (Manual name)'

2024-03-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 17:31:36 + > Cc: "help-texinfo@gnu.org" > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 01:14:19PM +0100, Arsen Arsenović wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Currently, makeinfo generates HTML elements that contain a node > > name. This is good. However, for the top node,

Re: My problems on translating a texinfo document to chinese

2024-02-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 17:24:30 + > Cc: ralphli...@hotmail.com, help-texinfo@gnu.org > > > > Inside screen.texi, which is included by emacs.texi before commands.texi, > > > there appears to be an unterminated footnote: > > > > > > 所选窗口中的光标显示大多数编辑命令生效的位置,称为 @dfn{光标}@fo

Re: My problems on translating a texinfo document to chinese

2024-02-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 16:03:19 + > Cc: help-texinfo@gnu.org > > I started by simply running "xetex emacs.texi" in the files you sent me. > I had an error message about nested footnotes: > > (./commands.texi 章 2 > ! Nested footnotes not supported in texinfo.tex, even th

Re: Translating the Emacs manuals (a summary)

2024-01-20 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 19:01:25 +0100 > From: Patrice Dumas > Cc: emacs-de...@gnu.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org > > Not necessarily very important, but UTF-8 is the default input encoding > since Texinfo 6.7 (23 September 2019), depending on the Texinfo minimal > version you target, you could remov

Re: Translating the Emacs manuals (a summary)

2024-01-19 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2024 18:00:34 + > From: Jean-Christophe Helary > Cc: help-texinfo@gnu.org > > I’m trying here to make a summary of the discussions that we’ve had so far, > in the hope of being able to propose a proper readme file at some point in > the close future. > > I hope I've not

Re: Info download service

2024-01-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Daniel Cerqueira > Cc: Patrice Dumas , Eli Zaretskii , > jean.christophe.hel...@traductaire-libre.org, stefankan...@gmail.com, > vincent@hotmail.fr, emacs-de...@gnu.org, r...@gnu.org, > help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 14:42:58 + >

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Vincent Belaïche > CC: "pertu...@free.fr" , > "jean.christophe.hel...@traductaire-libre.org" > , "stefankan...@gmail.com" > , "emacs-de...@gnu.org" , > "r...@gnu.org" , "help-texinfo@gnu.org" > > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 21:58:20 + > > Emacs info viewer inserts

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-11 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:46:30 + > Cc: pertu...@free.fr, jean.christophe.hel...@traductaire-libre.org, > stefankan...@gmail.com, vincent@hotmail.fr, emacs-de...@gnu.org, > r...@gnu.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org > > > > Although it's not ideal, using cross-re

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-11 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Daniel Cerqueira > Cc: Daniel Cerqueira , pertu...@free.fr, > jean.christophe.hel...@traductaire-libre.org, stefankan...@gmail.com, > vincent@hotmail.fr, emacs-de...@gnu.org, r...@gnu.org, > help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:14:36 + > > Sorry Eli, I did le

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-11 Thread Eli Zaretskii
n 11, 2024 at 06:09:20PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > The node name may be visible in the output, so if English node names are > > > used they won't be in the translated manual language. So I do not think > > > that is it correct, in general, to use the English n

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-11 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 16:56:15 +0100 > From: Patrice Dumas > Cc: jean.christophe.hel...@traductaire-libre.org, stefankan...@gmail.com, > vincent@hotmail.fr, emacs-de...@gnu.org, r...@gnu.org, > help-texinfo@gnu.org > > > Having @anchor with the English node name will allow cros

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-11 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:49:12 +0100 > From: Patrice Dumas > Cc: jean.christophe.hel...@traductaire-libre.org, stefankan...@gmail.com, > vincent@hotmail.fr, emacs-de...@gnu.org, r...@gnu.org, > help-texinfo@gnu.org > > > The translator doesn't always know whether a translated m

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-11 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Daniel Cerqueira > Cc: Patrice Dumas , > jean.christophe.hel...@traductaire-libre.org, stefankan...@gmail.com, > vincent@hotmail.fr, emacs-de...@gnu.org, r...@gnu.org, > help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 12:48:46 + > > > The translator doesn't always know whet

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-10 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 21:52:23 +0100 > From: Patrice Dumas > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas , > Vincent Belaïche , > emacs-de...@gnu.org, r...@gnu.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org > > In any case, if a target manual is not yet translated, to me it is the &g

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2024 05:38:51 + > From: Jean-Christophe Helary > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , stefankan...@gmail.com, > vincent@hotmail.fr, emacs-de...@gnu.org, r...@gnu.org, > help-texinfo@gnu.org > > >> Do you mean that a translated manual should have an @anchor

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2024 21:17:35 + > Cc: jean.christophe.hel...@traductaire-libre.org, stefankan...@gmail.com, > vincent@hotmail.fr, emacs-de...@gnu.org, r...@gnu.org, > help-texinfo@gnu.org > > On Sat, Jan 06, 2024 at 10:41:11PM +0200

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2024 20:16:54 + > Cc: jean.christophe.hel...@traductaire-libre.org, stefankan...@gmail.com, > vincent@hotmail.fr, emacs-de...@gnu.org, r...@gnu.org, > help-texinfo@gnu.org > > > > If desired, users could have a directory containing solely

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2024 20:02:32 + > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , > Jean-Christophe Helary , > vincent@hotmail.fr, emacs-de...@gnu.org, r...@gnu.org, > help-texinfo@gnu.org > > > I'd probably take it a step further and

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2024 19:41:27 + > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , stefankan...@gmail.com, > vincent@hotmail.fr, emacs-de...@gnu.org, r...@gnu.org, > help-texinfo@gnu.org > > On Sat, Jan 06, 2024 at 01:49:53PM +, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: >

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2024 19:03:33 + > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas , > Vincent Belaïche , > emacs-de...@gnu.org, Richard Stallman , > help-texinfo@gnu.org > > It's up to people writing the Texinfo manuals what the

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2024 14:16:23 + > From: Jean-Christophe Helary > Cc: Stefan Kangas , Vincent Belaïche > , emacs-de...@gnu.org, Richard Stallman > , help-texinfo@gnu.org > > > I think we'd need something more complex there. One possibility could > > be some kind of "translation table"

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2024 13:49:53 + > From: Jean-Christophe Helary > Cc: stefankan...@gmail.com, vincent@hotmail.fr, emacs-de...@gnu.org, > r...@gnu.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org > > Thinking out loud here, but @node currently requires the node-name > argument and has next/preious/up option

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2024 12:25:55 + > From: Jean-Christophe Helary > Cc: Stefan Kangas , Vincent Belaïche > , emacs-de...@gnu.org, Richard Stallman > , help-texinfo@gnu.org > > > On Jan 6, 2024, at 20:38, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > >> 1. I read a ma

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2024 03:57:24 -0800 > Cc: vincent@hotmail.fr, emacs-de...@gnu.org, r...@gnu.org, > help-texinfo@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> If that’s the case, what about using “Translated manuals” for now, >

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2024 09:37:03 + > From: Jean-Christophe Helary > Cc: Stefan Kangas , Vincent Belaïche > , emacs-de...@gnu.org, r...@gnu.org, > help-texinfo@gnu.org > > >> Would @author be also used for the translator? > > > > @author is a TeX command and goes into the printed version.

Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)

2024-01-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2024 04:40:41 + > From: Jean-Christophe Helary > Cc: Stefan Kangas , Vincent Belaïche > , emacs-de...@gnu.org, Richard Stallman > , help-texinfo@gnu.org > > > I wasn't talking about the manuals. But even for the manuals there > > are some issues that need to be consider

Re: Cross-reference for a non-English book

2023-12-31 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 12:32:21 + > Cc: dan.l...@brilhante.top, pertu...@free.fr, help-texinfo@gnu.org > > On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 08:52:20AM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Btw, what exactly does makeinfo produce for cross-references when > &g

Re: Cross-reference for a non-English book

2023-12-30 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 08:38:34 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: gavinsmith0...@gmail.com, pertu...@free.fr, help-texinfo@gnu.org > > > From: Daniel Cerqueira > > Cc: Patrice Dumas , Daniel Cerqueira > > , help-texinfo@gnu.org > > Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023

Re: Cross-reference for a non-English book

2023-12-30 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Daniel Cerqueira > Cc: Patrice Dumas , Daniel Cerqueira > , help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 21:00:24 + > > I hate when programs try to be smart, like Emacs was trying to be. > Because, then I need to bother people with specialized knowleadge, when > this thing should

Re: @anchor on @item line

2023-11-14 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 21:58:01 + > > @anchor should not appear in any context where it does not > correspond to a single position in the output file. Good luck with documenting this restriction in a way that Texinfo users can use in practice without a very deep underst

Re: texinfo 4.2 missing from ftp?

2023-07-30 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Rob Krum > Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2023 20:31:27 -0700 > Cc: Vitezslav Crhonek , help-texinfo@gnu.org > > Though I think the modification date will throw people off, but I sincerely > doubt we could find an > original, concrete date. The original release data of Texinfo 4.2 was 1 Apr 2002.

Re: Accessibility of man pages

2023-04-08 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Dirk Gouders > Cc: Colin Watson , Eli Zaretskii , > linux-...@vger.kernel.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org, > nabijaczlew...@nabijaczleweli.xyz, g.branden.robin...@gmail.com, > gr...@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2023 21:48:13 +0200 > > $ find /usr

Re: Accessibility of man pages (was: Playground pager lsp(1))

2023-04-08 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 15:02:59 +0200 > Cc: d...@gouders.net, linux-...@vger.kernel.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org, > nabijaczlew...@nabijaczleweli.xyz, g.branden.robin...@gmail.com, > gr...@gnu.org > From: Alejandro Colomar > > If you want how symlinks are dereferenced by find(1): > > $ man find

Re: Playground pager lsp(1)

2023-04-08 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 00:01:08 +0200 > Cc: d...@gouders.net, linux-...@vger.kernel.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org, > наб , > "G. Branden Robinson" , groff , > Colin Watson > From: Alejandro Colomar > > > How do you find the description of, say, "dereference symbolic link" > > (to take just a ran

Re: man page rendering speed (was: Playground pager lsp(1))

2023-04-07 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2023 09:43:19 -0500 > From: "G. Branden Robinson" > Cc: alx.manpa...@gmail.com, d...@gouders.net, cjwat...@debian.org, > linux-...@vger.kernel.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org, gr...@gnu.org > > ...which brings me to the other factor, of which I'm more confident: man > page rend

Re: Playground pager lsp(1)

2023-04-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 21:18:22 -0500 > From: "G. Branden Robinson" > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , d...@gouders.net, > linux-...@vger.kernel.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org > > > Hmm, now that I think, it's probably an issue of coordinating man(1) > > and less(

Re: A less presumptive .info? (was: Re: Playground pager lsp(1))

2023-04-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Arsen Arsenović > Cc: Dirk Gouders , alx.manpa...@gmail.com, > linux-...@vger.kernel.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2023 22:38:12 +0200 > > I've been casually wondering if creating a new format that can host more > formatting options and uses more precise syntax than 'plai

Re: Playground pager lsp(1)

2023-04-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 03:10:59 +0200 > Cc: d...@gouders.net, linux-...@vger.kernel.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org > From: Alejandro Colomar > > > This last sentence is a misunderstanding. The goal of Texinfo is not > > to improve the man pages. Texinfo is a completely different approach > > to sof

Re: Info vs man [was: Playground pager lsp(1)]

2023-04-05 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 08:44:17 +0200 > From: to...@tuxteam.de > > There will be differences in the renderers. Neither info nor man > can do pics, HTML and PDF can. The Emacs Info reader does display the pictures when they are available (and assuming Emacs was built with support for the correspo

Re: Playground pager lsp(1)

2023-04-05 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Dirk Gouders > Cc: Alejandro Colomar , linux-...@vger.kernel.org, > help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2023 20:01:56 +0200 > > Arsen Arsenović writes: > > • In windowing environments lsp does complete resizes when > windows > get resized. This

Re: Playground pager lsp(1)

2023-04-05 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 11:21:12 +0200 > From: to...@tuxteam.de > Cc: help-texinfo@gnu.org > > > The future is already here: just use Texinfo manuals for everything. > > Not the one I dreamt of. No TLDP man pages. No kernel.org docs. That's not true, since the Info reader will display man pages

Re: Playground pager lsp(1)

2023-04-05 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 11:03:36 +0200 > From: to...@tuxteam.de > Cc: help-texinfo@gnu.org > > I was dreaming of a world where both doc systems converge > in a way their respective users don't notice, and we end > up with a Grand Unified Documentation (GUD) for all things > free. The future is al

Re: Playground pager lsp(1)

2023-04-05 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 10:04:02 +0200 > From: > > On Wed, Apr 05, 2023 at 08:35:13AM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > [...] > > > Man pages have no means of specifying structure and hyper-links except > > by loosely-coupling pages via "SEE ALSO" cros

Re: Playground pager lsp(1)

2023-04-04 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 01:45:46 +0200 > Cc: help-texinfo@gnu.org > From: Alejandro Colomar > > With the benefit that you don't need to implement such a system from scratch, > but just reusing the existing tools (apropos, man, whatis, ...). It seems > something like what I would have written if

Re: info info; man info (documentation about info)

2023-01-10 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Arsen Arsenović > Cc: Dave Kemper , alx.manpa...@gmail.com, > g.branden.robin...@gmail.com, help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2023 14:28:16 +0100 > > Also, I didn't realize this before it was mentioned here, but yes, > ``(info)Help'' indeed comes with EMACS. Perhaps we should inc

Re: info info; man info (documentation about info)

2023-01-10 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Dave Kemper > Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2023 15:36:44 -0600 > Cc: ar...@aarsen.me, alx.manpa...@gmail.com, g.branden.robin...@gmail.com, > help-texinfo@gnu.org > > On 1/9/23, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > It is not a coincidence that the GNU project deprecated man pa

Re: info info; man info (documentation about info)

2023-01-09 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Dave Kemper > Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2023 00:01:33 -0600 > Cc: Alejandro Colomar , > "G. Branden Robinson" , help-texinfo@gnu.org > > On 1/7/23, Arsen Arsenović wrote: > > Alejandro Colomar writes: > >> How about adding the following: > >> > >>For readers more familiar with manual pages

Re: Summary of changes in 7.0?

2022-12-04 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Jean-Christophe Helary > Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2022 23:26:37 +0900 > > I'm looking at the GNU texinfo page and I can't find a summary of the changes > made in 7.0. > > Is it available somewhere else ? In NEWS.

Re: Relating multiple index entries to one table item

2022-11-26 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Arsen Arsenović > Cc: Patrice Dumas , Eli Zaretskii , > help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 21:40:53 +0100 > > I was still interested in indexing @itemx', so I tried: > > @table @code > @vindex ABC > @item ABC > @vindex DEF >

Re: Relating multiple index entries to one table item

2022-11-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 22:12:21 + > > I'm starting to think that it should be index entries *before* the @item that > are associated with the @item, not after it. I feel this may be easier to > implement. This would leave the Info output unaltered. This is how things

Re: Relating multiple index entries to one table item

2022-11-21 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 18:43:18 + > Cc: Arsen Arsenović , > help-texinfo@gnu.org > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 03:23:58PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > The index entries should precede the first @item, not be after it. Maybe > > doin

Re: Relating multiple index entries to one table item

2022-11-21 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Arsen Arsenović > Cc: help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 14:29:32 +0100 > > > The index entries should precede the first @item, not be after it. Maybe > > doing so doesn't work in this case, but you should move the index entries > > before the @item/@itemx lines regardless, si

Re: Relating multiple index entries to one table item

2022-11-21 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Arsen Arsenović > Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 19:44:30 +0100 > > In the GCC documentation, a construct that often appears is > > @table @gcctabopt > @item -Wpedantic > @itemx -pedantic > @opindex pedantic > @opindex Wpedantic > @opindex Wno-pedantic > > The problem with this, tho

Re: Loss of search facility in info in newer releases of Texinfo

2021-10-09 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 21:50:08 -0500 > From: Jacob Bachmeyer > CC: Alan Mackenzie , help-texinfo@gnu.org > > From my viewpoint, it seems that Alan wants some kind of equivalence > table, such that ASCII backtick and single quote will match the Unicode > curly quotes when typed into an I-sea

Re: Loss of search facility in info in newer releases of Texinfo

2021-10-09 Thread Eli Zaretskii
quotes, which don't exist on my keyboard. Thus I cannot > search for `foo' in any reasonable way in Emacs. > > Also, the display of these Unicode punctuation characters is awkward and > ugly on my Linux console. > > The Emacs maintainer, Eli Zaretskii, has expressed his

Re: automatic generation of @menu entries

2021-09-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 11:03:54 +0200 > From: Patrice Dumas > > It is already the case, in the sense that @menu are not needed anymore. > In Info output, menus are automatically generated if they do not exist. > In HTML the new default does not require menus. In addition, there is a > "tree tr

Re: automatic generation of @menu entries

2021-09-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 03:38:24 -0400 > From: Mike Frysinger > Cc: help-texinfo@gnu.org > > > Not the answer you expected, but Emacs has a command that creates the > > menus for you. > > i saw mention of that shortcut in the manual, but as you can imagine, that's > not terribly interesting to

Re: automatic generation of @menu entries

2021-09-11 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2021 23:20:00 -0400 > From: Mike Frysinger > > i couldn't easily find an answer in the archives or manual, so feel free to > point me to docs or discussions that i missed. surely this can't be a new > idea that i managed to come up with myself. or there's a good reason that

Re: @anchor around @item

2021-08-13 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2021 16:54:55 +0100 > Cc: "help-texinfo@gnu.org" > > > In the example below, should I place a0 or a1 to get a reference to item > > ``First one''. > > > > @itemize > > @anchor{a0} > > @item > > @anchor{a1} > > First one > > @end itmize > > > > PS : Pleas

Re: Reference possibilities

2021-07-13 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: lisa-as...@perso.be > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 05:22:38 +0200 (CEST) > > Is it correct to say that when using `@ref ` there are only two possibilities. > > (1) reference to a node > (2) reference to an anchor. Yes. It's true for all types of cross-reference directives, not just for @ref

Re: No such node or anchor

2021-07-11 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 22:20:07 +0200 (CEST) > From: excala...@tutanota.com > Cc: Help Texinfo > > 1. Run emacs -q > 2. Drag sample.info into the Emacs frame > 3. M-x Info-mode > 4. M-x rev-b, y > 5. Select 'Index' > 6. Select 'the spot' > > It takes me to Top. That's a strange method of acce

Re: No such node or ancher

2021-07-11 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 18:38:18 +0200 (CEST) > From: excalamus--- via Users list for the Texinfo documentation system > > > I'm trying to create an @xref to an @anchor.  When clicking the reference, > Emacs says, > > "No such node or anchor: x-spot" > > I have taken the sample file from (te

Re: Using a macro makes pdfetex quits and exits with bad status

2021-06-24 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Christopher Dimech > Cc: gavinsmith0...@gmail.com, help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 21:42:10 +0200 > > It would be a great improvement to have a standard on how we can test > newer versions of texinfo without affecting the stable version we normally > use. It makes it very d

Re: Using a macro makes pdfetex quits and exits with bad status

2021-06-24 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Christopher Dimech > Cc: gavinsmith0...@gmail.com, help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:00:29 +0200 > > I used > > cd /home/hagbard/Admir/build/texinfo > ../../source/texinfo/configure --prefix=/home/hagbard/Admir/bin/texinfo > make > sudo make install The --prefix sets seve

Re: Using a macro makes pdfetex quits and exits with bad status

2021-06-24 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Christopher Dimech > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 17:53:02 +0200 > Sensitivity: Normal > Cc: help-texinfo@gnu.org > > Ok, I added the texinfo development directory to PATH. > > Now getting again to the old problem of texinfo.tex Why did you need to add some directory to PATH? Did you instal

Re: Using a macro makes pdfetex quits and exits with bad status

2021-06-23 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Christopher Dimech > Cc: gavinsmith0...@gmail.com, help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 21:40:05 +0200 > > Does Gnu have a latex construct program to produce documents? You mean, as opposed to LaTeX that is part of the TeX installation? Not that I know of, no.

Re: Using a macro makes pdfetex quits and exits with bad status

2021-06-23 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Christopher Dimech > Cc: gavinsmith0...@gmail.com, help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 20:52:44 +0200 > > > That would clobber existing installations it TeX Live etc., so it's > > not a good idea to do that by default, without the user's say-so. > > > > > I disagree on the addit

Re: Using a macro makes pdfetex quits and exits with bad status

2021-06-23 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Christopher Dimech > Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 20:20:49 +0200 > Cc: help-texinfo gnu > > Of course, but I also give you a point of thought from user perspective. > > That way, the texinfo installation could also handle the additional > > make TEXMF=/your/texmf install-tex > texinfo.tex is

Re: Using a macro makes pdfetex quits and exits with bad status

2021-06-22 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Christopher Dimech > Cc: pertu...@free.fr, help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 20:41:16 +0200 > > That would make the use of macros very limited. Macros in Texinfo have many problems.

Re: Using a macro makes pdfetex quits and exits with bad status

2021-06-22 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Christopher Dimech > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 19:52:52 +0200 > Cc: help-texinfo gnu > > @macro usubsec {label, titl} > > @set lb \label\ > @set tl \titl\ > @ifclear usubsec-no-label >@unnumberedsubsec @value{lb} @ @value{tl} > @end ifclear > > @ifset usubsec-no-label > @unnumbereds

Re: error: ‘PACKAGE’ undeclared (first use in this function)

2021-06-11 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Benjamin Fang > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 17:18:15 +0800 > > when I compile the code, I get the following error: > > - > > parsetexi/api.c: In function ‘find_locales_dir’: > parsetexi/api.c:69:23: error: ‘PACKAGE’ undeclared (first use in this >

Re: Installing Texinfo from Development Source Tree.

2020-10-30 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Christopher Dimech > Cc: help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 21:45:58 +0100 > Sensitivity: Normal > > I am getting the following complaining of makeinfo. Install some official release of Texinfo, and then try again.

Re: Installing Texinfo from Development Source Tree.

2020-10-30 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Christopher Dimech > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 21:02:40 +0100 > Sensitivity: Normal > > I am trying to install texinfo using the development source tree. > > git clone https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/texinfo.git > > I am having problem with the configure part. There is no configure and a

Re: @ref without page numbers

2020-10-24 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Christopher Dimech > Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 23:00:40 +0200 > Cc: help-texinfo gnu > > Pdf are very important in business settings, and because Texinfo allows > inclusion of mathematical expression (through @math, @tex), the pdf output > is very useful. Texinfo doesn't have a separate PD

Re: lisp blocks

2020-01-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Jean-Christophe Helary > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 18:19:48 +0900 > > >> But then, what's the point having a @lisp block ? > > > > See the explanation of this in the Texinfo manual, in the "@lisp" > > node. > > I see. I did not understand that part when I first read it. So it is like a >

Re: lisp blocks

2020-01-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Jean-Christophe Helary > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 11:06:01 +0900 > > And since that was not the case, what I did was generate the indentation in a > lisp buffer and paste the result within the @lisp block. Since the texinfo > processor does not seem to change the indentation that was all

Re: lisp blocks

2020-01-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Jean-Christophe Helary > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 10:51:52 +0900 > > > Sorry, I don't know what you mean. This sounds like an Emacs question > > (if you are using Emacs). > > Yes, but. > > @lisp > > (lispy stuff) > > @end lisp > > The *output* is not indented at all. I'd have expecte

Re: [help-texinfo] GNU info reader: why display for links has been changed?

2019-07-31 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Aleksey Midenkov > Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 22:31:27 +0300 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , help-texinfo@gnu.org > > I don't know what Hamm is, but that would help. > > https://www.electrictoolbox.com/debian-release-names/ > > Of course you both don't know a

Re: [help-texinfo] GNU info reader: why display for links has been changed?

2019-07-30 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:02:56 +0100 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , help-texinfo@gnu.org > > On 7/30/19, Aleksey Midenkov wrote: > > No, I don't see them in menu items like on screenshot above. They were in > > places of asterisks. So how to make

Re: [help-texinfo] GNU info reader: why display for links has been changed?

2019-07-29 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Aleksey Midenkov > Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 00:09:54 +0300 > Cc: help-texinfo@gnu.org > > What do you mean by "numbers"? I don't think the stand-alone Info > reader was ever numbering menu items, if that's what you mean. > > Yes, it has numbers. Like I said it was in Hamm for sure (1998

Re: [help-texinfo] GNU info reader: why display for links has been changed?

2019-07-29 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Aleksey Midenkov > Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 12:41:10 +0300 > > I still wonder why links became underlined and lost their numbers. It was > very easy to just type 1-9 from > keyboard and get into what you want. I don't remember when it was changed, > but it better variant was in Hamm > (so

Re: [help-texinfo] Using @ref with two arguments

2019-07-22 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: "Patrice Dumas" , help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:30:55 +0200 > > In what context do you use the second argument and what does it do > exactly? As Patrice said it does nothing for pdf. My understanding > is that one uses it for display purposes

Re: [help-texinfo] Using @ref with two arguments

2019-07-22 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 16:49:50 +0200 > From: Patrice Dumas > Cc: help-texinfo gnu > > in general I would suggest not using an @*ref command with a non > empty second argument. I don't understand why. FWIW, I use it quite a lot, and find it very useful.

Re: [help-texinfo] emacs manuals built without indexes

2019-05-29 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Jean-Christophe Helary > Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 14:05:48 +0900 > > Don't bother. I found where to put it: inside the folder where I had the texi > files. > > And it works perfectly well. > > Is there a reason why the texinfo.tex file that's distributed with the emacs > code has an iss

Re: [help-texinfo] Problems with inconsistent indentation in a @table in an @itemize.

2019-03-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 18:52:16 + > From: Alan Mackenzie > > @itemize @w{} > @item > @table @asis > @item Style > @itemx File Style@footnote{In earlier versions of @ccmode{}, a File > Style setting took precedence over any other setting apart from a File > Local Variable setting.} > @itemx T

Re: [help-texinfo] html output of the manuals ToCs

2019-03-02 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Gavin Smith > Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 20:56:07 + > Cc: help-texinfo@gnu.org > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:40:26AM +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > > I'm using the same parameters for the intro, the emacs manual and the lisp > > reference: > > > > HTML_OPTS = --html --css-ref="

Re: [help-texinfo] Visible HTML anchors for options?

2019-02-15 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: David Malcolm > Cc: help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 14:03:26 -0500 > > > Why not use @anchor and @xref? Those should produce visible links. > > I'm hoping for some kind of way to get the toolchain to automatically > generate the HTML I want without having to touch all of t

Re: [help-texinfo] Visible HTML anchors for options?

2019-02-14 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: David Malcolm > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 17:26:59 -0500 > > I'm a GCC developer; we use texinfo for our documentation. > > GCC has a lot of options, so it's very useful to be able to provide > users with URLs to *specific* options in our documentation. > > For a long time I didn't think t

Re: [help-texinfo] German hyphenation

2018-06-20 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 19:27:58 +0200 > From: Andreas Falkenhahn > CC: help-texinfo@gnu.org > > > There are 2 commands in Texinfo that help TeX hyphenate where its > > built-in wisdom fails. Read all about them in the node "@- > > @hyphenation" of the Texinfo manual. > > Thanks, but those don

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