I'm using texi2pdf (texi2dvi (GNU Texinfo 3.12-pretest) 0.39)
I released 4.0 last fall, so you should probably try the latest
texinfo.tex, from ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/texinfo/texinfo.tex
I don't know if it will fix the problem, though, nor do I know enough
about pdf to understand what might
anyone could point me in the direction of some official infofile format
documentation, or at least a list of conventions that info/emacs follows when
reading files that my reader should mirror.
As far as I know info file format is not officially documented/defined
anywhere. The
Usage: install-info [OPTION]... [INFO-FILE [DIR-FILE]]
which implies the dir-file is optional, is it ever optional though?
You don't have to give the DIR-FILE argument if you give the
--dir-file option ...
Is there any easy way of replacing the default fonts
used by texinfo, so that it uses the standard PostScript
fonts instead of the standard TeX fonts?
There's no easy way.
You can patch texinfo.tex to do it, of course. Stephen Gildea has done
that. I could dig up the patch, or
Can I safely assume that if an infofile has an Indirect: table that it must
have an associated TagTable: ?
Sounds reasonable to me :).
Does the stand-alone info browser have the capability to
display raw control characters
Not that I know of, although perhaps setting ISO-Latin to On would help
to some extent.
example, sometimes I want a different paper size from
the default (a4 or small), like a5 or any other. I do not
There are commands to set the paper size (@afourpaper among others).
use other fonts than the default ones. Again it seems too
True, that's hard, have to hack
eight point fonts for the main text.
To do this, you need to hack texinfo.tex.
I can't give you an exact recipe, but the fonts are defined at the 50
lines or so starting at
\ifx\bigger\relax
\let\mainmagstep=\magstep1
\setfont\textrm\rmshape{12}{1000}
My question is: Would it be possible to make the different sections
of an index, like A, B,... visible as sections in the table of
contents shown in acroread in a separate frame?
I'll add it to the list, but it's not likely anything I personally am
going to do soon. Sorry. Maybe
I think this is a REAL flaw in texinfo. The margin should vary with the
double-sided option as well.
Well, I don't have any way to print on A4 paper, so I can't see what the
results are with the current margins. If you can tell me what margins
would be better, I can work on making it
How should I organize /doc in the parted distributation for translations
of parted.texi?
/doc? Do you mean /info? Or are does make install also install the
Texinfo source (generally this is not done)?
As you say, I don't think there are any standards about this. It would
seem
@macro acindex{macro}
@msindex \macro\, AC_\macro\
The problem may be using `macro` as the argument name, but it could just
be general brokenness.
I hate macros.
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I know makeinfo works indeed, but I'm stuck because at other parts of
my document, it is makeinfo which does a bad job.
1) bad job?
2) don't use macros. Macros suck.
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Should be changed to allow for some i18n via LC_*?
Sorry, but can you translate this into a specific suggestion :)?
Thanks,
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Do Anyone knows how to make the border of a table or multitable
visible?
Sorry, this is not implemented.
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Would it really hurt or annoy if these tool packages each had their own
INFO-DIR-SECTION? And how much work is it to accomplish that?
Right, it is not much work. I recommend sending patches to the manuals
to the appropriate bug- lists, and the maintainers will probably be
happy to
Is there a command in /usr/bin/info that tells you what file you are
looking at, similar to the '=' command in lynx?
This sounds like a reasonable idea. In Emacs Info, I just do find-file
to see the directory of the info file, but that doesn't help in
standalone info. Another reason to
Please someone do something about all this spam that reaches
help-texinfo !
I don't maintain the mailing list and don't know who does. In any case,
I doubt help-texinfo is any different from any other GNU mailing list.
Couldn't the mailing list be changed so that only subscribed
but does not show the icons enabled.
What icons? Enabled how? I'm confused. At least in lynx, I don't see
how there could be any icons?
Is this a Mozilla bug? Or
I do not know. As I recall, those rel attributes are on the a tags
because someone said they helped. I said, fine,
Now that we have image support in Emacs 21, are there any plans, or
is anyone working on inline image support (PNG, eg) for info output
of texinfo?
No one has suggested it before, so no. I guess we could insert a
reference into the info file and have the images in separate files.
Is there anything like @defvar or @defmac thats appropriate for makefile
targets?
You can use
@deffn Target mytarget
...
@end deffn
Although a simple @table @code might work ok -- that's how I've
generally seen makefile targets listed before.
See the `Def Cmd Template' node (and the
Is there a way to have an empty first cell?
I haven't tried it but my guess is @w{} would work.
@itemsymbol some long description
@itemxx {} more description
FYI, it's @itemx not @itemxx, and this isn't the right context for it
anyway. (Which is multiple labels
after pasing make
I become allways the error
make: *** [webalizer] Error 1
also if I use the makefile.std
This can't be Texinfo, since Texinfo doesn't use webalizer or have a
file called makefile.std in the distribution.
I'd guess you're trying to build webalizer itself?
Can you create a multitable with borders in Texinfo? I cannot find
anything specifying borders in the Info file or in texinfo.tex.
No, borders on multitables have never been implemented.
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Any other ways to get thumbnails into pdf from TeXInfo?
There is unfortunately no support for thumbnails in the current Texinfo,
in pdf or any other format. It's never come up before, actually. What
kind of document are you working on? (Just wondering.)
All I can think of to do as a
It can be viewed or downloaded here:
http://home.jtan.com/~reader/exp/scripts
Thanks very much for the info and the script. I'll see about at least
including it or a reference to it in the distribution.
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How can I make complex table with line using texinfo?
@multitable is the command for multi-column tables.
However, there is no support for rules in a table (lines, borders,
whatever you want to call them). What are you trying to produce that
needs them?
The manual needs table with border.
But why? Your example seems like a simple table of equivalent numbers
in various bases. This will be readable enough without rules. It is
better than resorting to TeX, anyway.
It would be nice to be able to have rules in tables, but it's just not
The easy solution is to code the URL text without the
comma, but I'm wondering if there's a better method.
Ideally, both the second and third args to @uref would allow for braces,
so you could say
@uref{http://foo, {this, has, commas}}
or @uref{http://foo, Foo, {this, has, commas}}
That
Doesn't it work to escape the comma with a backslash?
Not as far as I can see :(.
Input:
@uref{http://somewhere, some\,where}@*
Output:
a href=http://somewhere;where/abr
It's treating that comma as delimiting the second and third arg, not
seeing the \, as part of the second arg.
How can one increase the metapost memory? I use MikTex
This mailing list is for Texinfo, not miktex :).
The way to increase TeX/Metafont/Metapost memory depends on the
implementation. For web2c, you can do it in a config file called
texmf.cnf (and then you have to rebuild the mem file).
Hello Jorge,
You are completely right -- it is a bug that @'{@dotless{i}} doesn't
work in the HTML output, and it is another bug that a real 8-bit i' does
not work correctly with TeX. Unfortunately neither of these are easy to
fix, and I won't be able to do so soon :(. Sorry.
The workaround of
Greetings --
Three years ago :), you sent a texinfo.tex bug report regarding @deffn:
In the tex output, 'Comma' is slanted, and enharmonic is bold.
See patch below. (The only functional change is to add \empty to what
we pass to \spacesplit.)
FYI, I also found another workaround was to
How do I use LaTeX macros, such as math typesetting, or any other TeX
package inside a Texinfo file?
In general, there is no way to use LaTeX packages within Texinfo.
Texinfo is built on plain, not on LaTeX. Sorry.
As far as math goes, you can say @math{...} and use any of the plain TeX
Is there a program to convert a LaTeX document to a TeXinfo document?
I can't give you an exact reference, but a couple months ago Fred Drake,
the python documentation maintainer, wrote to bug-texinfo and said they
maintain their doc in LaTeX, but convert it to Texinfo.
Fred, can you help?
Thank you very much! Is there a way to include a caption ?
Unfortunately not -- there's not yet a real @figure command to allow for
captions, cross-references, etc., just the bare image inclusion. You
have to do the caption by hand by inserting the text where you want it.
Happy documenting,
I wonder whether there are commands to include postscript file for the TeX
generated document and/or a GIF/JPG file for the HTML version into a
texinfo document file?
@image.
http://www.gnu.org/manual/texinfo/html_node/Images.html
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Did you mean -e ? I cannot find any -E option.
I guess it's either -e or -E to texi2dvi. The makeinfo option is -E.
I want to be able to redefine the way the prototypes will look like
in a simple way and automatic way as for example be able to add a
@strong or another style
some text @math{b_l @ldots b_h} some more text
Use \ldots instead of @ldots, etc. makeinfo does not recognize all the
hundreds of math commands.
`::' is a reserved keyword in C++ and I would like to index this keyword.
Is there a way to avoid this warning?
Yes, use makeinfo
Hi Patrick,
b_l \ldots b_h
What version of texinfo.tex are you using? Try getting the latest from
ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/texinfo.tex. Also, try running tex directly,
instead of the texi2dvi shell script, just for simplicitly.
If it still happens, then add a line:
@loggingall
before the
@subsection Laplacian (@math{\nabla^2}) operators
Unfortunately I see no practical way to fix this. The problem is that
the TeX catcode of \ is set to an ordinary character before the @math
command is ever expanded. So by the time we get around to doing @math,
we already have the sequence
My printer is a little quirky. i'm using @afourpaper but it still
cuts off about 1cm at the bottom of the page. How do i increase
the bottom margin?
One way would be to decrease the page offset for the printer, without
having to change Texinfo. If you use dvips, that's the O
@tex
TeX code
@end tex
@html
HTML code
@end html
@ifnottex
@ifnothtml
otherwise
@end ifnothtml
@end ifnottex
Yes.
@iftex
@tex
TeX code
@end tex
@end iftex
No. @tex and @iftex are alternatives (and don't mean the same thing);
it
The @vskip below the image doesn't have any effect.
Indeed. I realized that both you and I had the same intuitive idea,
that somehow the typesetting of the block text in one column would be
known in the image column. This is wrong. TeX typesets them completely
independently, it doesn't
I want to put Java Code in my tex file, and found tiny_c2l.
I've never used tiny_c2l; it's not related to Texinfo. All I can
suggest is writing the author.
There are a number of other source prettyprinting programs out there (I
haven't used any of these, either). A quick search at
but, i now change my question; if my dir entry gets knackered again, is
there any way i can regenerate it to include all the program entries
(such as 'ls') without having to reinstall the package in question?
There are two scripts in the util directory of the Texinfo source
text on the current page is stretched vertically
I imagine that putting this:
@tex
\vfill\eject
@end tex
before the @image/@group/whatever would work.
Hope this helps ...
karl
P.S. Unfortunately it is not clear to me how to determine whether
stretching (white space distributed evenly) or
I usually prefer chunked output so
larger manuals don't kill my browser.
1) Texinfo manuals are usually pretty small, as such things go.
2) If there is a sensible way to split XML output, I'd be most happy to
incorporate a patch for that :). I don't know how to do it.
I really don't
I'd like to pass the -a swich to man. Is this possible?
I made this simple change to man.c (thanks for the pointer, Eli) so that
-a is used if there is no explicit section. As far as I know -a is
universal.
I expect it'll be a while before the next Texinfo release, but you can
apply this
We should remove it. Or never copy that file back?
I see no particular reason to copy the log file if we're not copying
anything else. (And it seems cleaner not to copy anything.) Perhaps
the error message could refer to the log file in its actual location?
Wdyt?
That's a very nice idea, but what about --clean, where you are
expected to remove the temp file. Should we leave the whole
directory? Move just the log file?
I'm a little confused. Does --clean now use a subdir of the current dir
instead of in /tmp? (Sorry, my brain isn't up to
That's what I was aiming for.
Thanks, I installed it ...
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Hi Bruce,
Illegal unit of measure
Insert a blank line between the vskip and libopts line:
@vskip 0pt plus 1filll
libopts copyright @copyright{} @value{COPYRIGHT} Bruce Korb
There's no way
BTW, this has nothing to do with the problem, but you should use
@copying and the other standard
Those are modifications of leters 'd' and 'D'.
Oh, eth and thorn.
I am looking for them for some time. They are missing.
Indeed. I'll work on adding them. Do you have the Latin Modern fonts,
like cork-lmr10.tfm? Otherwise I'll go back to the EC fonts, I guess.
Thanks,
Karl
+ . pdftexi2dvi is a new wrapper to `texi2dvi --pdf', equal to texi2pdf,
+for sake of AUC-TeX which prepends `pdf' to the compilation command
+when requested to produce PDF.
Seems ugly. We already have one pointless wrapper, texi2pdf. Do we
really need to add another? Is
(I pass on further debate about repository, depot, etc. :)
I have one suggestion we might agree upon: --build-dir.
Works for me. Thanks :).
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Here's the patch.
Thanks, I've checked that in along with (yuh) pdftexi2dvi.
Could I ask you a favor and make a little patch for texinfo.txi to add
pdftexi2dvi to the dir entries and mention it in the relevant node, and
build the man page in doc/Makefile.am? I know it's easy, but I am
- I have no idea about `local'
Is it really needed?
I will ask to knowledge people (Dr. Autoconf List Pr. Libtool List)
what they think about it.
Sounds good.
* doc/texinfo.txi: Document pdftexi2dvi.
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It looks very nice. Congratulations! And thank you for sending all
those patches to make it possible :).
My only comment on the home page is that the spacing gets quite spacey
without linebreaking in url's. Personally I think ragged right is the
way to go
For [the printed manual] I think there has to be a mechanism for
discretionary
Right. The answer is for @url to allow breaks at various characters as
you suggest, a la url.sty, but I haven't gotten around to doing it in
the last umpteen years :(.
For HTML one can use zero width
The question is: is it more or less confusing to print/display the
hyphen in a line line:
IMNSHO, it is more confusing. We don't want to print the synthesized -
character as part of the url, since then copy/past won't work, people
will inevitably think the - is part of the url, etc. So
Hi Akim,
The following patch is therefore multi-purpose; again I'm sorry,
but I cannot easily split it.
Sure. I installed it, and the result still works for me on the Texinfo
manuals :). We'll see if anyone else runs into problems. Thanks as
always (and sorry for the delayed reply).
Hi Robert,
(Sorry for the delayed reply.)
or failing that how much texinfo can help me do this.
It's a good question. From your description, it occurs to me that this
seems close to an index of categories. So I wonder if Texinfo's index
commands can help a bit. I'm not entirely sure, but
Is it possible to typeset indented text (e.g. source code) without
using a typewriter font. I'm looking for something like LaTeX's
versatile `tabbing' environment.
Texinfo doesn't have anything like {tabbing}. The only general
alignment environment is @multitable, which I don't
Hi Jean-Louis,
I need to document a library that exists in C++, Java and Perl.
What is the library? (Just curious.)
Furthermore, 'ID' in this example is not a real type,
So I suppose @var{id} would be the way to describe it in the Texinfo source.
I have looked at the @defmethod
You mean by means of macros?
I mean new commands or options in general. Whatever features you find
Texinfo that would be helpful as you write the manual -- I'm not aware
of any major cross-language project which has used Texinfo before, so
it's quite likely you will find holes.
Thanks for
After a while I thought of adding a new parameter to @node, which
would be the 'display name' of the node. While tracing in makeinfo
I've come across cm_node() in node.c and if I've guessed right it
won't be easy at all.
Correct.
You can change the displayed name in menus and
I've just recently started using texinfo, to write the manual for my
project (cgdb.sf.net).
Cool, glad to hear it.
Which of these files, if any, should I check into CVS to follow my
current model? I'm assuming the doc/version.texi will have to be
installed, to stop the user
the `Local Variables' section too far from the end of the Info file,
so Emacs can't find it.
Because the tag table is huge, I would guess? Or is there some other
reason? Can someone point me to the problematic Texinfo file?
It seems like makeinfo should
ignore LANG for the most
Hi Eric,
there is no hello.png file in mydir/HTML/images
Please, tell me how to resolve my problem
Right now, makeinfo is not programmed to copy image files.
You have to make any needed copies by hand.
I'm not entirely sure that it should do copying. People might prefer to
have
The main problem is that
given the @documentencoding in the source file, makeinfo writes the
`coding:' tag before the tag table in the Info output file, and Emacs
can't find it.
I installed a patch to CVS Texinfo to write the coding: variable last.
Hope it doesn't mess anything
Is it an undocumented feature or one
documented where I didn't find it?
Nothing much has changed in the manual since 4.7 in this regard.
Various statements would imply it could be done, but I couldn't find it
documented explicitly, so I added this paragraph to the `Writing a Node'
node:
Hello Hynek,
I don't know, if it is possible to do this automatically?
How about using @appendix instead of @unnumbered, along with this definition:
@tex
\gdef\putwordAppendix{Part}
@end tex
I didn't try it, but I think that might get you Part A, Part B, ...
And then nested @section's
I need to generate other outputs too (html and docbook).
I thought docbook enforces its own kind of numbering anyway.
(Among many other things.)
As for HTML, sorry, I can't quite imagine an easy way to munge its
output. Maybe through some fancy style sheet thing? You're right that
what I
Hi Thomas,
in our project(auto[make/conf] based) we introduced texinfo format for
documentation (in favor of our old static HTML doc).
Happy to hear it :).
How to solve best this problem ?
Well, it seems like you would probably have already considered this, but
it would seem the
Yes, I do know about @documentencoding and @documentlanguage, but they
don't seem to help in the TeX case.
True, they don't. Implementing 8-bit input for TeX is fraught with
complications, and I still haven't done it for Texinfo.
texi2dvi has options to call the recode program before
I do not understand why at make install time the documentation
will be created again.
Oh, I didn't understand that was the problem.
If tora.html already exists, then indeed, it seems makinfo --html should
not be being run. You can find out why it is by running make -d, which
will
The problem for me is that I can not specify all potential names of
generated HTML pages.
You don't need to specify them all. You only need to specify one, e.g.,
tora/index.html. (Clearly the rule would have to be changed.)
Perhaps easier would be not to split the html output, so that
Hi Graham,
allows an index to be used twice? (first time for printing, second
time for merging into cp)
Sorry to say that Texinfo doesn't support this. It's never come up
before, the theory being that if you have a separate index for commands
(or whatever), then duplicating them all in
Another possible workaround is to duplicate every @findex with @vindex
Ah, good thought.
I hate to say it, but you might even be able to do that with a macro, so
you only have the one command in the source ...
Best,
Karl
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especially since I think I'm doing
something particularly stupid.
Unfortunately, it's nothing so easy :) or do I mean :(.
/Users/gperciva/tmp/index.texinfo:22: Undefined control sequence.
Well, that particular bug is caused by the lack of a @setfilename.
(TeX won't
I've avoided our macros.itexi until now
I understand :).
should I be using any command-line options other than
texi2dvi --batch -E lilypond.texi
I do not know. Maybe Jan or one of the other Lilyponders can help, if
it's not recorded in the Makefiles? That is, if it ever worked at
I somehow have disabled the 10 key function on my keyboard.
how do I reset that?
Sorry, I don't know what a 10 key function is, and can't imagine what
it has to do with Texinfo (the GNU documentation format). You may have
written to the wrong list ...
good luck,
karl
Hi Andrea,
1) how can I insert symbols like greek letters in texinfo (later I'll
need to pdfize the file)?
If you only care about the Greek in PDF, and not HTML, and are just
typesetting occasional symbols, you can get away with stuff like
@math{\beta}.
If you're actually typesetting
on the website there are some broken links:
Thanks Andrea. I repaired/removed them.
k
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Hi Robert,
Here is some example output. The list of categories is near the end of
this page.
http://maxima.sourceforge.net/misc/tmp-categories-html/tmp-target_toc.html
I'm afraid I don't understand. Your example here seems to be within a
single manual. In that case, can't you just
Is it possible to embed pstricks, metapost or asymptote markup
in texinfo source?
Only if you also write a pre/postprocessor to do something with it.
Or play some horrible trick with \write18.
Neither of which would be fun.
change the latex preamble for the generated document?
Hi Eric,
pcal allows you to specify font and size of the event text but I want
different fonts and sizes for tide, moonrises and sunsets.
I don't know anything about pcal, but from your description, I think
Texinfo is the best tool for this. For instance, it intentionally
leaves out
Hi DJ,
1. I want the terms to show up in the table of contents. Why?
There is nothing right now to add arbitrary entries to the toc. It
wouldn't be pretty, but I could probably come up with some incantation
you could use. But this would make the printed/html toc's awfully long ...
Hi DJ,
I could probably come up with a different incantation (even less pretty)
to just add an entry to the PDF outlines, without adding it to the
actual toc, if you want to go that way.
That would be useful.
I don't have a fully-worked-out solution, but I think this is the
./terminology.texi:21: Undefined control sequence.
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Crap, sorry. I guess @tex and @macro don't go together.
I'm not sure where to go from here. I'll try to come up with something
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:)
Sure, but it wouldn't work to do:
... (la)tex stuff ...
\input texinfo.tex
... texinfo stuff ...
... more (la)tex stuff ...
The definitions in texinfo.tex will certainly screw up anything
following -- the
Regarding EGREP, it's defined just below where I used it; I hadn't
noticed that. Fixed now. Either move the code, or grab it from cvs, or
set the envvar EGREP=egrep before running the script.
As for the actual problem, well, if the path sep is set wrong due to the
grep failure, that might be
[poor output from makeinfo for]
3. Chinese texts only, not aligned in source
4. a mix of English and Chinese texts
Thanks for the report, but I'm sorry, I don't have a clue how to even
approach the problem.
I added your report to the texinfo bug database,
It seems the filling is forced at present?
It is true that filling is forced.
Since it's unable to format Chinese(and maybe other languages)
It is true that CJK etc. languages that don't use spaces won't get useful
line breaking. The Unicode line breaking characters are not
| @item what is emacs
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| Emacs is the extensible, customizable, self-documenting real-time
@item isn't intended to be followed by a blank line. That starts a new
paragraph. It's more or less an accident that the TeX output is
unindented.
k
Unicode, then it would be much easier for handling CJK.
Sure. Be aware that Unicode was not even dreamed of at the time
makeinfo was first written. And the code has not really ever changed
much from Brian's first implementation.
This may require rewriting large part of makeinfo,
-/* makeinfo -- convert Texinfo source into other formats.
+/* makeinfo.c -- convert Texinfo source into other formats.
That is intentional. The comment is talking about the program as a
whole, not the one particular source file. In fact, the GNU coding
standards say to write such a
However, between b1 and v1 there are two blank lines, where i
would have expected to see only one.
It does seem like a discrepancy. I'll have to look into it. Patches
welcome :).
Thanks for the report,
karl
(I'll be away for a few days and expect to be back online on Sunday.)
Is there any way to get only one blank line between b1 and v1?
I installed the following change, which ignores the remainder of the
@verbatim line (including the newline), as it should have been all
along. I hope there are no ill effects.
Thanks for the report.
karl
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