Re: [HG] Harpe de Gourde
harpe de gourde is in french gourde is a containerto put water when you are in desert , or the recipient the armed forces guys put water inside ,, it can look coconut shell,,, or alluminium bottle with green cloth cover all around ..or ? gourde is a water container .. bye sylvain - Original Message - From: Nathan Roy To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:30 PM Subject: RE: [HG] Harpe de Gourde I'm under the impression that harpe de gourde is an etymological back-formation, posited to explain the origin of the English term hurdy-gurdy. To my knowledge, there isn't actually much evidence for it's authentic and independent use. I'm not an expert, but my experience in linguistics has taught me to be skeptical when two terms for the same object are so similar in pronunciation, but lack a history of intermediate forms or a reasonable theory of phonetic mutation. This often indicates an instance of folk etymology, in which a term of obscure or even foreign origin is altered, so as to provide a straightforward justification for its form and meaning. I can't come up with a lot of examples off the top of my head, but this is a fairly common linguistic process. Gourd harp doesn't make much sense as a description of the HG, but hurdy-gurdy doesn't mean anything at all! Nathan Roy -- Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:09:05 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Subject: [HG] Harpe de Gourde Hello, someone just told me that he had saw the hurdy gurdy being referred to as a Harpe de gourde, or gourd harp. I've never seen this term for a HG, and was just wondering if anyone has info on its origins. Thanks! Vero -- Véronique Chau -- Telephone: (949) 701-7454 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. See Now -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1694 - Release Date: 2008-09-26 18:55
RE: [HG] Harpe de Gourde
My mother used to grow ornamental gourds.They were like different shaped pumpkins and had very hard skin and very watery insides like vegetable marrows or zucchini that just dried up and left the hard shell and a few seeds maybe rattling inside. The larger ones you could carefully cut the top off and clean out and they would make good water containers. You really only see them used in African instruments these days but it depends where you are I guess. Fi From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sylvain gagnon mini moteur 2000 inc Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2008 8:54 AM To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Subject: Re: [HG] Harpe de Gourde harpe de gourde is in french gourde is a containerto put water when you are in desert , or the recipient the armed forces guys put water inside ,, it can look coconut shell,,, or alluminium bottle with green cloth cover all around ..or ? gourde is a water container .. bye sylvain
Re: [HG] Harpe de Gourde
The chinese gourd flute, hulusi, is made from a fairly small gourd. Stan On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Marsbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My mother used to grow ornamental gourds.They were like different shaped pumpkins and had very hard skin and very watery insides like vegetable marrows or zucchini that just dried up and left the hard shell and a few seeds maybe rattling inside. The larger ones you could carefully cut the top off and clean out and they would make good water containers. You really only see them used in African instruments these days but it depends where you are I guess. Fi *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *sylvain gagnon mini moteur 2000 inc *Sent:* Sunday, 28 September 2008 8:54 AM *To:* hg@hurdygurdy.com *Subject:* Re: [HG] Harpe de Gourde harpe de gourde is in french gourde is a containerto put water when you are in desert , or the recipient the armed forces guys put water inside ,, it can look coconut shell,,, or alluminium bottle with green cloth cover all around ..or ? gourde is a water container .. bye sylvain
Re: [HG] Harpe de Gourde
The Australian group of virtuoso musicians, Totally Gourdgeous, plays on all manner of instruments made from gourds. I seem to recall a gurdy for sale a couple of years ago made from one. Greg - Original Message - From: Marsbar To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 9:10 AM Subject: RE: [HG] Harpe de Gourde My mother used to grow ornamental gourds.They were like different shaped pumpkins and had very hard skin and very watery insides like vegetable marrows or zucchini that just dried up and left the hard shell and a few seeds maybe rattling inside. The larger ones you could carefully cut the top off and clean out and they would make good water containers. You really only see them used in African instruments these days but it depends where you are I guess. Fi From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sylvain gagnon mini moteur 2000 inc Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2008 8:54 AM To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Subject: Re: [HG] Harpe de Gourde harpe de gourde is in french gourde is a containerto put water when you are in desert , or the recipient the armed forces guys put water inside ,, it can look coconut shell,,, or alluminium bottle with green cloth cover all around ..or ? gourde is a water container .. bye sylvain
Re: [HG] Harpe de Gourde
Lurker here Some years ago when I was looking into gut strings for my HG (to keep this kind of on topic), I ran across this fellow who makes gourd Banjo's. http://www.gourdbanjo.com/GBhtml/intro.html Justine
OT RE: [HG] Harpe de Gourde
I have a snake charmers flute made from a gourd and technically the sitar uses gourds for the big resonators. A Hurdy gurdy made with a gourd might be a bit delicate I imagine. Mind you it is possible to laquer a gourd into a pretty tough shell. Fi From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Ruckert Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2008 9:52 AM To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Subject: Re: [HG] Harpe de Gourde The Australian group of virtuoso musicians, Totally Gourdgeous, plays on all manner of instruments made from gourds. I seem to recall a gurdy for sale a couple of years ago made from one. Greg
RE: [HG] Harpe de Gourde
I'm under the impression that harpe de gourde is an etymological back-formation, posited to explain the origin of the English term hurdy-gurdy. To my knowledge, there isn't actually much evidence for it's authentic and independent use. I'm not an expert, but my experience in linguistics has taught me to be skeptical when two terms for the same object are so similar in pronunciation, but lack a history of intermediate forms or a reasonable theory of phonetic mutation. This often indicates an instance of folk etymology, in which a term of obscure or even foreign origin is altered, so as to provide a straightforward justification for its form and meaning. I can't come up with a lot of examples off the top of my head, but this is a fairly common linguistic process. Gourd harp doesn't make much sense as a description of the HG, but hurdy-gurdy doesn't mean anything at all! Nathan Roy Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:09:05 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Subject: [HG] Harpe de Gourde Hello, someone just told me that he had saw the hurdy gurdy being referred to as a Harpe de gourde, or gourd harp. I've never seen this term for a HG, and was just wondering if anyone has info on its origins. Thanks! Vero -- Véronique Chau -- Telephone: (949) 701-7454 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/
Re: [HG] Harpe de Gourde
From: Veronique Chau Hello, someone just told me that he had saw the hurdy gurdy being referred to as a Harpe de gourde, or gourd harp. I've never seen this term for a HG, and was just wondering if anyone has info on its origins. Thanks! Are you sure it was really a gurdy? There's a West African instrument called a gourd harp (real name is kora): http://www.coraconnection.com/pages/WhatisKora.html Kathy Hutchins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [HG] Harpe de Gourde
Hello, by the way, the first track on Valentin Clastrier's album from 1987 is named L’heure dégourdie :-) Simon Am 24.09.2008 um 20:02 schrieb Kathy Hutchins: From: Veronique Chau Hello, someone just told me that he had saw the hurdy gurdy being referred to as a Harpe de gourde, or gourd harp. I've never seen this term for a HG, and was just wondering if anyone has info on its origins. Thanks! Are you sure it was really a gurdy? There's a West African instrument called a gourd harp (real name is kora): http://www.coraconnection.com/pages/WhatisKora.html Kathy Hutchins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
