Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread Paul
Meant to post the following reply on the mailing list: A better idea for quickplay clients would've been to have render static content only, while any normal (non-quickplay) client has the full HTML MOTD still. Do I have to also mention a forgotten detail? It's convenient for you to solely blame

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread HD
It is too late – look at how old the game is. No reply in months no matter how many emails we send to them, replies to this mailing list, reddit posts you guys make it does NOT matter! It would be different slightly different if one of them would have replied and said something other than “ We

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread Rowedahelicon
That's not what we're mad at, the anger is directed to the continued use of new missions that continue to take people over to Valve servers for something we can't compete with, essentially free skins. On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Lyrai wrote: > That's a lot of anger over

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread HD
That wasn’t a drunken rant… just pointing out what seems to be more important to them. From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Lyrai Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 5:17 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread Rowedahelicon
Well yeah we're too late for now but that doesn't mean we can't get ourselves together still, the problem at the core isn't going to go away over Christmas break On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 4:20 PM, HD wrote: > Why do you guys continue to bother? Valve doesn’t care, they

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread Lyrai
That's a lot of anger over paints. Items from stocking stuffers have never been tradeabke, to stop people from rolling new accounts and trading the freebies to a new one en masse. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives,

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread Rowedahelicon
"I've heard all the arguments in favor of them, but in the end it will all come down to perception. MOTD ads have painted all community servers with the same brush in the eyes of the players, to include those communities that have never used them. Until and unless we're willing to come to a

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread HD
Why do you guys continue to bother? Valve doesn’t care, they haven’t replied. Came on last night to let us know of an update to prevent what looked like a good batch of gifts by stopping the trade of the paints and never acknowledged anyone or any post about how they have refused to support the

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread Rowedahelicon
Well I wish you the best on that journey, and the same to all whom agree, but not all of us feel that way and those who want to stay and try and fix things will continue to do so On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 4:35 PM, HD wrote: > It is too late – look at how old the game is. No

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread Lyrai
Not you, the guy who mentioned paints in his drunken rant against mean sherrif Valve. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread Jesse Oak
How about instead of writing emails complaining about unfair treatment in regards to competing with official servers you used that time to come up with ways to compete with them. Look at the CSGO server operators, they have it much worse then their tf2 counter parts but they are not on here

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread Rowedahelicon
Ahh, my bad On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 5:22 PM, HD wrote: > That wasn’t a drunken rant… just pointing out what seems to be more > important to them. > > > > *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *Lyrai >

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek
I read "idiocy", I'm smelling the troll again. There are points regarding adverts and quickplay though. Lack of transparency (also due to ads and the pretty hidden advanced option to disable motds) forces more people to use QP. Ads are also the main point of community servers' bad rep.

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread Cats From Above
Matthias, there is a distinct difference between you and I and how we operate. You see, when I dish out an ad hominem attack (Such as making reference to the "idiocy" of Matthias posts past.) I still have the decency to address the apparent essence of the person's non ad hominem arguments - That

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread Cats From Above
E. Olsen’s argument and implicit statement that adverts are the problem is a complete non sequitur when it comes to the topic of Quickplay, the likes of which far and exceed the idiocy of Matthias and co. from earlier posts. Firstly, I’d like a written admission from E. Olsen that if,

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread Rowedahelicon
Again, there is nothing wrong with us trying to organize, but I do like the idea of a third party QP system that focuses on us, would people use it? Not without some incentive perhaps, but it's an idea worth considering all the same. Who all in here do we have from CS:GO? I don't personally know

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread Paul
Lets not forget that adverts aren't an issue with Quickplay clients anymore. That's outdated information, Valve disabled the HTML MOTD for that type of connection before later on eventually pointing Quickplay to their official servers by default. Ultimately the issue that exists is the potential

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread Robert Paulson
If we are talking about transparency I think we need to talk about a few people's bizarre fixation on ads even though after being repeatedly told they were 100% blocked for quickplay players long before the official server change. If you were a normal player, you would have known that. But you

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

2015-12-19 Thread E. Olsen
Of course - the fact that the long-standing functionality of the MOTD window had to be disabled in the first place meant that those of us who never used those ads lost the ability to display important info in-game to the majority of new playersso yeah, thanks for that. I find it incredibly