Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-23 Thread ruwen
Eric (Deacon) wrote: I am interesting in less disk space because I have only small HDDs. I am struggling to understand why you would have and use a ~650MB hard drive. http://www.newegg.com/app/manufact.asp?catalog=14DEPA=1 -- Eric (the Deacon remix) I am only a private server admin and I

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-23 Thread ruwen
Matthew Donnon wrote: I'm curious, is that HDD more or less megs than system ram? - Original Message - From: ruwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please I am interesting in less disk space because I

RE: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-23 Thread ruwen
Sindre wrote: although not optimal, it works just fine for most small scale purposes. - Sindre = Original Message From Jason Arden [EMAIL PROTECTED] = LOL this guy made his Linux installation one big partition... good game. -Jason ruwen wrote: William H. \ Du Chene wrote: You

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-23 Thread Ooks Server
Where do you get these from? I picked up a bunch of 2-3 GB drives on eBay for about 5 bucks each, and these work great for running a server. Eric (Deacon) wrote: I am interesting in less disk space because I have only small HDDs. I am struggling to understand why you would have and use a

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-23 Thread DLinkOZ
But wouldn't the performance of such old drives have a negative impact on server performance? - Original Message - From: ruwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please Eric (Deacon) wrote: I am

RE: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-23 Thread Richard Onyon
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DLinkOZ Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 2:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please But wouldn't the performance of such old drives have a negative impact on server performance? - Original Message - From: ruwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-20 Thread Eric (Deacon)
In a bold display of creativity, MadScientist wrote: The gui doesn't require squat in the way of resources. You don't pay for RAM? At about $0.15 per megabyte for a 512MB stick of PC3200 DDR RAM, I'm not sure that's the most valid argument you can come up with. -- Eric (the Deacon remix)

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-20 Thread Eric (Deacon)
In a bold display of creativity, Mike Frysinger wrote: people really should stop looking at it as 'windows 2003 performs better than linux' and start going 'does valve know how to write a linux server' ? I thought the question was which OS yields the best performance when it comes to running HL

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-20 Thread ruwen
William H. \ Du Chene wrote: You could simply put the server on FreeBSD. If you were to install FreeBSD 5.2 and the linux binary compatibility layer, you may well find that ( on the very same hardware ) the linux server will run faster and your users do not exprience nearly as much lag than on

RE: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-20 Thread Richard Onyon
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please In a bold display of creativity, MadScientist wrote: I'm comparing apples to apples... i.e. the latest Windows to the latest Linux. But even still, W2K is more expensive than Linux or FreeBSD, and that will still leave you with extra money

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-20 Thread William H. \Will\ Du Chene
interface. If you intend to install a lot of third party software as well, then you will need more space. - Original Message - From: ruwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please William H. \ Du Chene wrote: You

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-20 Thread Eric (Deacon)
I am interesting in less disk space because I have only small HDDs. I am struggling to understand why you would have and use a ~650MB hard drive. http://www.newegg.com/app/manufact.asp?catalog=14DEPA=1 -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-20 Thread MadScientist
Eric (Deacon) said: Uh, yeah, feel free to compare apples to gophers all day long, but the fact is that when you order a box from Dell or whoever else, it's going to come with a Windows OS on it, usually XP these days. XP, Win2k Pro, either way, it's going to be just fine. You do know most

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-20 Thread Mike Donahue
I'm very much surprised (maybe I shouldn't be) at the ratio of analytical to anecdotal evidence in this thread. I know that a lot of you make money by hosting game servers, and usually when money is on the line, people get a lot more serious about value for the money. Based on the comments thus

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-20 Thread Kevin J. Anderson
I wouldn't call it anecdotal, as this subject has been rehashed adnauseum for years now. Its just a fact, that a couple years ago and beyond, the linux hlds server outperformed the windows one hands down all day long. then in the last year or two, linux performance has slowly but surely taken a

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-20 Thread Steven Hartland
: 20 May 2004 16:55 Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please I'm very much surprised (maybe I shouldn't be) at the ratio of analytical to anecdotal evidence in this thread. I know that a lot of you make money by hosting game servers, and usually when money is on the line, people get a lot

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-20 Thread Nelson Marques
] Sent: 20 May 2004 16:55 Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please I'm very much surprised (maybe I shouldn't be) at the ratio of analytical to anecdotal evidence in this thread. I know that a lot of you make money by hosting game servers, and usually when money is on the line, people get

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-19 Thread Soeren Todt
On Wednesday 19 May 2004 00:35, Mike Maynard wrote: We saw a major performance INCREASE moving to Win2k3 from a heavily tweaked Gentoo config. Thats the problem with gentoo - you can tweak so much things and i am pretty shure that the one who tweaked your server did not know exactly what he

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-19 Thread Mike Maynard
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please On Wednesday 19 May 2004 00:35, Mike Maynard wrote: We saw a major performance INCREASE moving to Win2k3 from a heavily tweaked Gentoo config. Thats the problem with gentoo - you can tweak so much things and i am pretty shure that the one who

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-19 Thread Matthew Cheale
] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please On Wednesday 19 May 2004 00:35, Mike Maynard wrote: We saw a major performance INCREASE moving to Win2k3 from a heavily tweaked Gentoo config. Thats the problem with gentoo - you can tweak so

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-19 Thread Steven Hartland
Sounds interesting there Mike I'd love to see the stats that led u to this conclusion. Steve / K - Original Message - From: Mike Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please Errr... no We

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-19 Thread Mike Maynard
Hartland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please Sounds interesting there Mike I'd love to see the stats that led u to this conclusion. Steve / K - Original Message - From: Mike Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-19 Thread Steven Hartland
Thanks for that Mike. Will be testing CS on an AMD 64 on multiple OS shortly but very interesting to see the differences u experienced. Steve / K - Original Message - From: Mike Maynard No stats saved but when we had Gentoo on the box it averaged over 80% util and was very sluggish.

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-19 Thread Ooks Server
The gui doesn't require squat in the way of resources. - Original Message - From: Shane Robinett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please If you know how to run windows right, you can remove much

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-19 Thread Ooks Server
. Screen savers...just say no - Original Message - From: Donald Holl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please Right, but maybe his server is at home or does have a monitor connected. - Original Message

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-19 Thread MadScientist
In a bold display of creativity, MadScientist wrote: A Win2k Pro box would work just fine. I'm comparing apples to apples... i.e. the latest Windows to the latest Linux. But even still, W2K is more expensive than Linux or FreeBSD, and that will still leave you with extra money for hardware.

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-19 Thread MadScientist
The gui doesn't require squat in the way of resources. You don't pay for RAM? -Mad -- http://www.madslab.com A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven. – Prime Minister Jean Chrétien

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-19 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 19 May 2004 10:01 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does not Windows have a higher resource over head?? Leading to less on the boxen ?? people really should stop looking at it as 'windows 2003 performs better than linux' and start going 'does valve know how to write a linux server' ?

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-19 Thread m0gely
Ooks Server wrote: The gui doesn't require squat in the way of resources. I wouldn't say that. I am no one to provide formal benchmarks to prove numbers, but for one, open the task manager and put it on the process tab so you can see CPU load per app. Now start moving the task manager around.

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-19 Thread Eric (Deacon)
In a bold display of creativity, MadScientist wrote: I'm comparing apples to apples... i.e. the latest Windows to the latest Linux. But even still, W2K is more expensive than Linux or FreeBSD, and that will still leave you with extra money for hardware. Uh, yeah, feel free to compare apples to

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-18 Thread Eric (Deacon)
In a bold display of creativity, Mike Maynard wrote: We saw a major performance INCREASE moving to Win2k3 from a heavily tweaked Gentoo config. That echoes what most have discovered. There are many good reasons to use Linux/BSD as your server's OS, but performance is not one of them. If you're

Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please

2004-05-18 Thread Nathan Dodd
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Does Win2k have any advantages/disadvantages compared to Win2k3? -Nathan -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives,