Re: [HOT] Inflationary use of the mailinglist

[joost schouppe]

It took me a long time to accept mailing lists as the main communication
tool for OSM related stuff. But I did find a way to cope with being
subscribed to many (many!) osm mailing lists.

In any mail application it should be possible to devise automatic rules to
preclassify mails. I have a rule that puts them in a separate folder and
lets them skip the inbox. Hence, ni annoying notifications all day long. In
Gmail, they are also neatly organized into conversations, so you only need
to skim the subjects to see if it is worth reading for you.
Hot messages containing something like "urgent" or "activition" can be
treated differently of course.

I would argue against using the digest mode, because it often makes a mess
of longer discussions. It also makes it way harder to join a discussion
when that time comes. Your message is almost certainly going to live on an
island, isolated from the rest of the discussion.


Op 26 mrt. 2017 19:07 schreef "Julian Haag" :

> Thanks for your reply, and thanks to Blake too!
>
> maybe I am just not able to use a mailinglist correctly. No doubt mapswipe
> is an interesting tool and is related to HOT. But in my opinion only urgend
> topics should go into a mailinglist.
>
> Don't get me wrong: During the Nepal quake there were 20-30 mails a day
> for more than a week. I'm absolutely fine with that. That was mostly
> important, interesting and urgend stuff.
>
> Ignoring is a good thing until your phone or mailapplication on the
> computer keeps telling you about new emails. Constantly.
>
> @Blake: Maybe I will join the announcement list and just subscribe to this
> list when getting involved in desastermapping..
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Julian
>
> Am 26.03.2017 um 18:36 schrieb Jo:
>
> Your message really surprises me. MapSwipe is an app that was created by
> MSF, to help save HOT's mappers time, so they can focus on mapping. I think
> that's an interesting discussion thread. Not sure about the others, but the
> way to read mailing lists is to look at the topics that interest you and
> ignore the rest.
>
> Polyglot
>
> 2017-03-26 18:26 GMT+02:00 Julian Haag :
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I am interested in information regarding HOT activations, the talk about
>> real HOT problems and some news regarding HOT, so I joined this list about
>> a year ago during the earthquake in Nepal. Currently I found myself
>> deleting nearly 98% of the messages of this list even without reading it.
>>
>> It's just crazy getting dozends of emails a day on topics having nearly
>> no intersection with HOT at all! e.g. "Bounding box not in iD Editor
>> anymore" or currently "Mapswipe - whats happening with the data?". There
>> are boards, where, in my optinion, general discussions should take place
>> but not on a mailinglist. A mailinglist, thats the place where really
>> urgend stuff should be discussed.
>>
>> Is there a HOT mailinglist that just focuses on important stuff?
>>
>> with annoyed greetings
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>
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Re: [HOT] Mapswipe - whats happening with the data?

[john whelan]

OK I accept that mapswipe is wonderful.

Thanks for the input.

Cheerio John

On 26 Mar 2017 12:52 pm, "Pete Masters"  wrote:

> Hey John, it's not just that its quicker. It is also that different people
> can engage with the task. It's hard to contribute if you have a few minutes
> through the tasking manager. But you can through MapSwipe. It's also near
> impossible to contribute via mobile or on the go. Again MapSwipe makes this
> possible.
>
> Even if it was as quick to do the scanning through JOSM, we are able to
> get a whole new group of people involved in the workflow.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pete
>
> On 26 Mar 2017 17:27, "Jo"  wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Both possibilities exist. You can 'reserve' a bunch of tile to work on
>> while off line, or you can work online.
>>
>> It's easy to install it and play with it.
>>
>> Polyglot
>>
>> 2017-03-26 18:23 GMT+02:00 john whelan :
>>
>>> So what you're saying is it can scan about as fast as JOSM using
>>> .  Does it require an online connection or can it
>>> precharge so someone can do it on the bus and upload the results when it
>>> gets near WiFi?
>>>
>>> Thanks John
>>>
>>> On 26 March 2017 at 12:05, Pete Masters 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all, late to the party, but here are my two cents...

 MapSwipe, anecdotally for now, does save mappers' time. In an area
 where little OSM data exists, it can target mappers' efforts where people
 (or roads or rivers) exist. In the kind of rural landscapes we deal with a
 lot in MSF areas of interest, this cuts down the amount of time spent
 'scanning' for stuff to map significantly. And, MapSwipe users can get
 through a large area super fast.

 In the Sierra Leone projects we used it slightly differently. We knew
 that Kenema district had been partly mapped through several other
 initiatives (Ebola mapping  and the American Red Cross West Africa project
 for example). We wanted comprehensive data in OSM, so we tasked the area in
 MapSwipe and cross referenced the results with existing OSM data. Where
 MapSwipers said 'yes, there is a building' but none existed in OSM the area
 would be tasked for mapping. Where MapSwipers said 'yes, there is a
 building' and building data existed in OSM, we discounted the area from the
 tasking. Meaning that mappers were applying affords only where there were
 gaps in the data.

 I hope that is of interest. Couple of related points...

 Each area is classified by three different users in MapSwipe, not four.

 Paul Stewart wrote up the process for using Mapswipe to deduplicate
 mapping efforts through the tasking manager
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/pjstewart1984/diary/40710

 Disastermappers write here about how to access MapSwipe data and how
 they process it https://disastermappers.wordpr
 ess.com/2016/11/16/integrating-mapswipe-and-hot-tasking-mana
 ger-first-task-online/

 HOT Summit presentation on MapSwipe and pybossa
 https://youtu.be/pRZ_mWn0Lmc

 Cheers,

 Pete





 On 26 Mar 2017 15:47, "Jo"  wrote:

> It's definitely useful to save actual mapper's time. For validation
> I'm not sure it would be a big help.
>
> Op 26 mrt. 2017 3:12 p.m. schreef "john whelan"  >:
>
>> Would we be better ahead by using something like mapswipe to
>> validate?  If a tile is OK there is no need to add to the map from the
>> tool.  If three mappers tick it then I would say its good to go.
>>
>> The current system we use four mappers to mapswipe, then a
>> conventional mapper to map followed by a validator.  Six passes to get a
>> validated tile.  The other way would give you one in four passes three of
>> which would be on smartphones.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 26 March 2017 at 09:01, john whelan  wrote:
>>
>>> But does it address the concern about how much effort is expended
>>> compared to the value added?
>>>
>>> Cheerio John
>>>
>>> On 26 March 2017 at 08:44, Ralf Stephan  wrote:
>>>
 Search is your friend. Searching for Mapswipe yields eg
 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2521
 where clearly the tiles are preselected. Also the description: "The
 data are prepared by MapSwipe"

 Regards,

 On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 2:40 PM john whelan 
 wrote:

> I seem to recall the same area is mapswiped by four different
> people before a mapper maps it.
>
> Other than the size of the tile or which area to give priority to
> I think the advantage is that people can do it anywhere on a 
> 

Re: [HOT] Inflationary use of the mailinglist

[Julian Haag]

Thanks for your reply, and thanks to Blake too!

maybe I am just not able to use a mailinglist correctly. No doubt 
mapswipe is an interesting tool and is related to HOT. But in my opinion 
only urgend topics should go into a mailinglist.


Don't get me wrong: During the Nepal quake there were 20-30 mails a day 
for more than a week. I'm absolutely fine with that. That was mostly 
important, interesting and urgend stuff.


Ignoring is a good thing until your phone or mailapplication on the 
computer keeps telling you about new emails. Constantly.


@Blake: Maybe I will join the announcement list and just subscribe to 
this list when getting involved in desastermapping..



Thanks!

Julian


Am 26.03.2017 um 18:36 schrieb Jo:
Your message really surprises me. MapSwipe is an app that was created 
by MSF, to help save HOT's mappers time, so they can focus on mapping. 
I think that's an interesting discussion thread. Not sure about the 
others, but the way to read mailing lists is to look at the topics 
that interest you and ignore the rest.


Polyglot

2017-03-26 18:26 GMT+02:00 Julian Haag >:


Hello everyone,

I am interested in information regarding HOT activations, the talk
about real HOT problems and some news regarding HOT, so I joined
this list about a year ago during the earthquake in Nepal.
Currently I found myself deleting nearly 98% of the messages of
this list even without reading it.

It's just crazy getting dozends of emails a day on topics having
nearly no intersection with HOT at all! e.g. "Bounding box not in
iD Editor anymore" or currently "Mapswipe - whats happening with
the data?". There are boards, where, in my optinion, general
discussions should take place but not on a mailinglist. A
mailinglist, thats the place where really urgend stuff should be
discussed.

Is there a HOT mailinglist that just focuses on important stuff?

with annoyed greetings

Julian


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Re: [HOT] Inflationary use of the mailinglist

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi Julian,

Thank you very much for being a part of the HOT community!

HOT is doing mapping every day of the week and while there are times
of severe crisis after a disaster when our mapping is focused and
dramatically increased, the daily mapping for humanitarian projects is
very important as well.

And the HOT email list is the only place we as a community can ask
questions and discuss different aspects of how we do things or address
issues that affect everyone in the HOT community. Even if sometimes it
might get into the weeds.

Your email is a good reminder that emails to the HOT list go to a lot
of folks, and it is good make sure the emails are relevant to HOT and
take a few minutes and see if there is a better, more focused place
for some questions or comments.

But, if you are ever in doubt but are not sure where to ask, you can
always ask on the HOT email list, we are here to support each other
and usually if you have a question, so do others.

For too many HOT Email list emails, there are a couple of options:

1. Subscribe to HOT's announce only email list. This is where we send
our monthly HOT Newsletter and disaster mapping notifications. You
will know when there is a disaster crisis mapping event and be able to
keep up on HOT happenings via our Newsletter. This might be the best
option if you only want to be notified of disaster activities. You can
sign up for it here http://eepurl.com/bC7JBj

2. Digest mode, you can change your preferences to only get an email
once a day with a list of the emails for day in it.
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot (Go to the bottom, enter
your email address, button "Unsubscribe or Edit Options"

Thank you again!

Cheers,
Blake

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Julian Haag  wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I am interested in information regarding HOT activations, the talk about
> real HOT problems and some news regarding HOT, so I joined this list about a
> year ago during the earthquake in Nepal. Currently I found myself deleting
> nearly 98% of the messages of this list even without reading it.
>
> It's just crazy getting dozends of emails a day on topics having nearly no
> intersection with HOT at all! e.g. "Bounding box not in iD Editor anymore"
> or currently "Mapswipe - whats happening with the data?". There are boards,
> where, in my optinion, general discussions should take place but not on a
> mailinglist. A mailinglist, thats the place where really urgend stuff should
> be discussed.
>
> Is there a HOT mailinglist that just focuses on important stuff?
>
> with annoyed greetings
>
> Julian
>
>
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Re: [HOT] Inflationary use of the mailinglist

[Jo]

Your message really surprises me. MapSwipe is an app that was created by
MSF, to help save HOT's mappers time, so they can focus on mapping. I think
that's an interesting discussion thread. Not sure about the others, but the
way to read mailing lists is to look at the topics that interest you and
ignore the rest.

Polyglot

2017-03-26 18:26 GMT+02:00 Julian Haag :

> Hello everyone,
>
> I am interested in information regarding HOT activations, the talk about
> real HOT problems and some news regarding HOT, so I joined this list about
> a year ago during the earthquake in Nepal. Currently I found myself
> deleting nearly 98% of the messages of this list even without reading it.
>
> It's just crazy getting dozends of emails a day on topics having nearly no
> intersection with HOT at all! e.g. "Bounding box not in iD Editor anymore"
> or currently "Mapswipe - whats happening with the data?". There are boards,
> where, in my optinion, general discussions should take place but not on a
> mailinglist. A mailinglist, thats the place where really urgend stuff
> should be discussed.
>
> Is there a HOT mailinglist that just focuses on important stuff?
>
> with annoyed greetings
>
> Julian
>
>
> ___
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> HOT@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>
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Re: [HOT] Mapswipe - whats happening with the data?

[Jo]

Hi John,

Both possibilities exist. You can 'reserve' a bunch of tile to work on
while off line, or you can work online.

It's easy to install it and play with it.

Polyglot

2017-03-26 18:23 GMT+02:00 john whelan :

> So what you're saying is it can scan about as fast as JOSM using
> .  Does it require an online connection or can it
> precharge so someone can do it on the bus and upload the results when it
> gets near WiFi?
>
> Thanks John
>
> On 26 March 2017 at 12:05, Pete Masters 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, late to the party, but here are my two cents...
>>
>> MapSwipe, anecdotally for now, does save mappers' time. In an area where
>> little OSM data exists, it can target mappers' efforts where people (or
>> roads or rivers) exist. In the kind of rural landscapes we deal with a lot
>> in MSF areas of interest, this cuts down the amount of time spent
>> 'scanning' for stuff to map significantly. And, MapSwipe users can get
>> through a large area super fast.
>>
>> In the Sierra Leone projects we used it slightly differently. We knew
>> that Kenema district had been partly mapped through several other
>> initiatives (Ebola mapping  and the American Red Cross West Africa project
>> for example). We wanted comprehensive data in OSM, so we tasked the area in
>> MapSwipe and cross referenced the results with existing OSM data. Where
>> MapSwipers said 'yes, there is a building' but none existed in OSM the area
>> would be tasked for mapping. Where MapSwipers said 'yes, there is a
>> building' and building data existed in OSM, we discounted the area from the
>> tasking. Meaning that mappers were applying affords only where there were
>> gaps in the data.
>>
>> I hope that is of interest. Couple of related points...
>>
>> Each area is classified by three different users in MapSwipe, not four.
>>
>> Paul Stewart wrote up the process for using Mapswipe to deduplicate
>> mapping efforts through the tasking manager
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/pjstewart1984/diary/40710
>>
>> Disastermappers write here about how to access MapSwipe data and how they
>> process it https://disastermappers.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/integrating
>> -mapswipe-and-hot-tasking-manager-first-task-online/
>>
>> HOT Summit presentation on MapSwipe and pybossa
>> https://youtu.be/pRZ_mWn0Lmc
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 Mar 2017 15:47, "Jo"  wrote:
>>
>>> It's definitely useful to save actual mapper's time. For validation I'm
>>> not sure it would be a big help.
>>>
>>> Op 26 mrt. 2017 3:12 p.m. schreef "john whelan" :
>>>
 Would we be better ahead by using something like mapswipe to validate?
 If a tile is OK there is no need to add to the map from the tool.  If three
 mappers tick it then I would say its good to go.

 The current system we use four mappers to mapswipe, then a conventional
 mapper to map followed by a validator.  Six passes to get a validated
 tile.  The other way would give you one in four passes three of which would
 be on smartphones.

 Cheerio John

 On 26 March 2017 at 09:01, john whelan  wrote:

> But does it address the concern about how much effort is expended
> compared to the value added?
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 26 March 2017 at 08:44, Ralf Stephan  wrote:
>
>> Search is your friend. Searching for Mapswipe yields eg
>> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2521
>> where clearly the tiles are preselected. Also the description: "The
>> data are prepared by MapSwipe"
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 2:40 PM john whelan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I seem to recall the same area is mapswiped by four different people
>>> before a mapper maps it.
>>>
>>> Other than the size of the tile or which area to give priority to I
>>> think the advantage is that people can do it anywhere on a smartphone.
>>>
>>> I would hesitate to say if it is worth doing or not.  In future
>>> there might be a way to bring something into OSM via a review process.
>>>
>>> Cheerio John
>>>
>>> On 26 March 2017 at 08:22, Hakuch  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26.03.2017 14:13, john whelan wrote:
>>> > My understanding is that mapswipe is only used to identify where
>>> to map.
>>> > Not to contribute to the map.
>>> >
>>> > Cheerio John
>>>
>>> of course there is no data transmitted to OSM, but how is the data (I
>>> mean, marked tiles) used after I transmitted it? How much is it
>>> worth to
>>> do that mapswiping?
>>>
>>>
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[HOT] Inflationary use of the mailinglist

[Julian Haag]

Hello everyone,

I am interested in information regarding HOT activations, the talk about 
real HOT problems and some news regarding HOT, so I joined this list 
about a year ago during the earthquake in Nepal. Currently I found 
myself deleting nearly 98% of the messages of this list even without 
reading it.


It's just crazy getting dozends of emails a day on topics having nearly 
no intersection with HOT at all! e.g. "Bounding box not in iD Editor 
anymore" or currently "Mapswipe - whats happening with the data?". There 
are boards, where, in my optinion, general discussions should take place 
but not on a mailinglist. A mailinglist, thats the place where really 
urgend stuff should be discussed.


Is there a HOT mailinglist that just focuses on important stuff?

with annoyed greetings

Julian


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Re: [HOT] Mapswipe - whats happening with the data?

[john whelan]

So what you're saying is it can scan about as fast as JOSM using
.  Does it require an online connection or can it
precharge so someone can do it on the bus and upload the results when it
gets near WiFi?

Thanks John

On 26 March 2017 at 12:05, Pete Masters  wrote:

> Hi all, late to the party, but here are my two cents...
>
> MapSwipe, anecdotally for now, does save mappers' time. In an area where
> little OSM data exists, it can target mappers' efforts where people (or
> roads or rivers) exist. In the kind of rural landscapes we deal with a lot
> in MSF areas of interest, this cuts down the amount of time spent
> 'scanning' for stuff to map significantly. And, MapSwipe users can get
> through a large area super fast.
>
> In the Sierra Leone projects we used it slightly differently. We knew that
> Kenema district had been partly mapped through several other initiatives
> (Ebola mapping  and the American Red Cross West Africa project for
> example). We wanted comprehensive data in OSM, so we tasked the area in
> MapSwipe and cross referenced the results with existing OSM data. Where
> MapSwipers said 'yes, there is a building' but none existed in OSM the area
> would be tasked for mapping. Where MapSwipers said 'yes, there is a
> building' and building data existed in OSM, we discounted the area from the
> tasking. Meaning that mappers were applying affords only where there were
> gaps in the data.
>
> I hope that is of interest. Couple of related points...
>
> Each area is classified by three different users in MapSwipe, not four.
>
> Paul Stewart wrote up the process for using Mapswipe to deduplicate
> mapping efforts through the tasking manager http://www.openstreetmap.org/
> user/pjstewart1984/diary/40710
>
> Disastermappers write here about how to access MapSwipe data and how they
> process it https://disastermappers.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/
> integrating-mapswipe-and-hot-tasking-manager-first-task-online/
>
> HOT Summit presentation on MapSwipe and pybossa
> https://youtu.be/pRZ_mWn0Lmc
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pete
>
>
>
>
>
> On 26 Mar 2017 15:47, "Jo"  wrote:
>
>> It's definitely useful to save actual mapper's time. For validation I'm
>> not sure it would be a big help.
>>
>> Op 26 mrt. 2017 3:12 p.m. schreef "john whelan" :
>>
>>> Would we be better ahead by using something like mapswipe to validate?
>>> If a tile is OK there is no need to add to the map from the tool.  If three
>>> mappers tick it then I would say its good to go.
>>>
>>> The current system we use four mappers to mapswipe, then a conventional
>>> mapper to map followed by a validator.  Six passes to get a validated
>>> tile.  The other way would give you one in four passes three of which would
>>> be on smartphones.
>>>
>>> Cheerio John
>>>
>>> On 26 March 2017 at 09:01, john whelan  wrote:
>>>
 But does it address the concern about how much effort is expended
 compared to the value added?

 Cheerio John

 On 26 March 2017 at 08:44, Ralf Stephan  wrote:

> Search is your friend. Searching for Mapswipe yields eg
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2521
> where clearly the tiles are preselected. Also the description: "The
> data are prepared by MapSwipe"
>
> Regards,
>
> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 2:40 PM john whelan 
> wrote:
>
>> I seem to recall the same area is mapswiped by four different people
>> before a mapper maps it.
>>
>> Other than the size of the tile or which area to give priority to I
>> think the advantage is that people can do it anywhere on a smartphone.
>>
>> I would hesitate to say if it is worth doing or not.  In future there
>> might be a way to bring something into OSM via a review process.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 26 March 2017 at 08:22, Hakuch  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26.03.2017 14:13, john whelan wrote:
>> > My understanding is that mapswipe is only used to identify where to
>> map.
>> > Not to contribute to the map.
>> >
>> > Cheerio John
>>
>> of course there is no data transmitted to OSM, but how is the data (I
>> mean, marked tiles) used after I transmitted it? How much is it worth
>> to
>> do that mapswiping?
>>
>>
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Re: [HOT] Mapswipe - whats happening with the data?

[Pete Masters]

Hi all, late to the party, but here are my two cents...

MapSwipe, anecdotally for now, does save mappers' time. In an area where
little OSM data exists, it can target mappers' efforts where people (or
roads or rivers) exist. In the kind of rural landscapes we deal with a lot
in MSF areas of interest, this cuts down the amount of time spent
'scanning' for stuff to map significantly. And, MapSwipe users can get
through a large area super fast.

In the Sierra Leone projects we used it slightly differently. We knew that
Kenema district had been partly mapped through several other initiatives
(Ebola mapping  and the American Red Cross West Africa project for
example). We wanted comprehensive data in OSM, so we tasked the area in
MapSwipe and cross referenced the results with existing OSM data. Where
MapSwipers said 'yes, there is a building' but none existed in OSM the area
would be tasked for mapping. Where MapSwipers said 'yes, there is a
building' and building data existed in OSM, we discounted the area from the
tasking. Meaning that mappers were applying affords only where there were
gaps in the data.

I hope that is of interest. Couple of related points...

Each area is classified by three different users in MapSwipe, not four.

Paul Stewart wrote up the process for using Mapswipe to deduplicate mapping
efforts through the tasking manager
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/pjstewart1984/diary/40710

Disastermappers write here about how to access MapSwipe data and how they
process it
https://disastermappers.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/integrating-mapswipe-and-hot-tasking-manager-first-task-online/

HOT Summit presentation on MapSwipe and pybossa https://youtu.be/pRZ_mWn0Lmc

Cheers,

Pete





On 26 Mar 2017 15:47, "Jo"  wrote:

> It's definitely useful to save actual mapper's time. For validation I'm
> not sure it would be a big help.
>
> Op 26 mrt. 2017 3:12 p.m. schreef "john whelan" :
>
>> Would we be better ahead by using something like mapswipe to validate?
>> If a tile is OK there is no need to add to the map from the tool.  If three
>> mappers tick it then I would say its good to go.
>>
>> The current system we use four mappers to mapswipe, then a conventional
>> mapper to map followed by a validator.  Six passes to get a validated
>> tile.  The other way would give you one in four passes three of which would
>> be on smartphones.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 26 March 2017 at 09:01, john whelan  wrote:
>>
>>> But does it address the concern about how much effort is expended
>>> compared to the value added?
>>>
>>> Cheerio John
>>>
>>> On 26 March 2017 at 08:44, Ralf Stephan  wrote:
>>>
 Search is your friend. Searching for Mapswipe yields eg
 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2521
 where clearly the tiles are preselected. Also the description: "The
 data are prepared by MapSwipe"

 Regards,

 On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 2:40 PM john whelan 
 wrote:

> I seem to recall the same area is mapswiped by four different people
> before a mapper maps it.
>
> Other than the size of the tile or which area to give priority to I
> think the advantage is that people can do it anywhere on a smartphone.
>
> I would hesitate to say if it is worth doing or not.  In future there
> might be a way to bring something into OSM via a review process.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 26 March 2017 at 08:22, Hakuch  wrote:
>
>
>
> On 26.03.2017 14:13, john whelan wrote:
> > My understanding is that mapswipe is only used to identify where to
> map.
> > Not to contribute to the map.
> >
> > Cheerio John
>
> of course there is no data transmitted to OSM, but how is the data (I
> mean, marked tiles) used after I transmitted it? How much is it worth
> to
> do that mapswiping?
>
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>It's definitely useful to save actual mapper's time. For validation I'm
not sure it would be a big help.

I must be missing something.  Mapswipe uses four passes and then we get
different sized tiles out of it.  We still need an old fashioned mapper to
map the tile.  Traditionally if a mapper thought the tile size was too big
they would split it to give different sized tiles.

How does it save mapper time?  Does that take into account the four passes
that mapswipe uses first?

On the validation side really all you need is to inspect the tile and say
its OK. If the tile is good enough you don't need to add anything.  From a
practical point of view a conventional validator could do it in one pass
provided we trusted them.  You'd still want to run JOSM for things like
duplicate segments, crossing ways etc but that's faster than having to do a
visual inspection as well.

Cheerio John

On 26 March 2017 at 10:46, Jo  wrote:

> It's definitely useful to save actual mapper's time. For validation I'm
> not sure it would be a big help.
>
> Op 26 mrt. 2017 3:12 p.m. schreef "john whelan" :
>
> Would we be better ahead by using something like mapswipe to validate?  If
>> a tile is OK there is no need to add to the map from the tool.  If three
>> mappers tick it then I would say its good to go.
>>
>> The current system we use four mappers to mapswipe, then a conventional
>> mapper to map followed by a validator.  Six passes to get a validated
>> tile.  The other way would give you one in four passes three of which would
>> be on smartphones.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 26 March 2017 at 09:01, john whelan  wrote:
>>
>>> But does it address the concern about how much effort is expended
>>> compared to the value added?
>>>
>>> Cheerio John
>>>
>>> On 26 March 2017 at 08:44, Ralf Stephan  wrote:
>>>
 Search is your friend. Searching for Mapswipe yields eg
 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2521
 where clearly the tiles are preselected. Also the description: "The
 data are prepared by MapSwipe"

 Regards,

 On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 2:40 PM john whelan 
 wrote:

> I seem to recall the same area is mapswiped by four different people
> before a mapper maps it.
>
> Other than the size of the tile or which area to give priority to I
> think the advantage is that people can do it anywhere on a smartphone.
>
> I would hesitate to say if it is worth doing or not.  In future there
> might be a way to bring something into OSM via a review process.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 26 March 2017 at 08:22, Hakuch  wrote:
>
>
>
> On 26.03.2017 14:13, john whelan wrote:
> > My understanding is that mapswipe is only used to identify where to
> map.
> > Not to contribute to the map.
> >
> > Cheerio John
>
> of course there is no data transmitted to OSM, but how is the data (I
> mean, marked tiles) used after I transmitted it? How much is it worth
> to
> do that mapswiping?
>
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Re: [HOT] Mapswipe - whats happening with the data?

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On 26.03.2017 15:01, john whelan wrote:
> But does it address the concern about how much effort is expended compared
> to the value added?

if I put effort in something I of course want to know how, where and by
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[john whelan]

But does it address the concern about how much effort is expended compared
to the value added?

Cheerio John

On 26 March 2017 at 08:44, Ralf Stephan  wrote:

> Search is your friend. Searching for Mapswipe yields eg
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2521
> where clearly the tiles are preselected. Also the description: "The data
> are prepared by MapSwipe"
>
> Regards,
>
> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 2:40 PM john whelan  wrote:
>
>> I seem to recall the same area is mapswiped by four different people
>> before a mapper maps it.
>>
>> Other than the size of the tile or which area to give priority to I think
>> the advantage is that people can do it anywhere on a smartphone.
>>
>> I would hesitate to say if it is worth doing or not.  In future there
>> might be a way to bring something into OSM via a review process.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 26 March 2017 at 08:22, Hakuch  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26.03.2017 14:13, john whelan wrote:
>> > My understanding is that mapswipe is only used to identify where to map.
>> > Not to contribute to the map.
>> >
>> > Cheerio John
>>
>> of course there is no data transmitted to OSM, but how is the data (I
>> mean, marked tiles) used after I transmitted it? How much is it worth to
>> do that mapswiping?
>>
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Re: [HOT] Mapswipe - whats happening with the data?

[Ralf Stephan]

Search is your friend. Searching for Mapswipe yields eg
http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2521
where clearly the tiles are preselected. Also the description: "The data
are prepared by MapSwipe"

Regards,

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 2:40 PM john whelan  wrote:

> I seem to recall the same area is mapswiped by four different people
> before a mapper maps it.
>
> Other than the size of the tile or which area to give priority to I think
> the advantage is that people can do it anywhere on a smartphone.
>
> I would hesitate to say if it is worth doing or not.  In future there
> might be a way to bring something into OSM via a review process.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 26 March 2017 at 08:22, Hakuch  wrote:
>
>
>
> On 26.03.2017 14:13, john whelan wrote:
> > My understanding is that mapswipe is only used to identify where to map.
> > Not to contribute to the map.
> >
> > Cheerio John
>
> of course there is no data transmitted to OSM, but how is the data (I
> mean, marked tiles) used after I transmitted it? How much is it worth to
> do that mapswiping?
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Re: [HOT] Mapswipe - whats happening with the data?

[john whelan]

I seem to recall the same area is mapswiped by four different people before
a mapper maps it.

Other than the size of the tile or which area to give priority to I think
the advantage is that people can do it anywhere on a smartphone.

I would hesitate to say if it is worth doing or not.  In future there might
be a way to bring something into OSM via a review process.

Cheerio John

On 26 March 2017 at 08:22, Hakuch  wrote:

>
>
> On 26.03.2017 14:13, john whelan wrote:
> > My understanding is that mapswipe is only used to identify where to map.
> > Not to contribute to the map.
> >
> > Cheerio John
>
> of course there is no data transmitted to OSM, but how is the data (I
> mean, marked tiles) used after I transmitted it? How much is it worth to
> do that mapswiping?
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[Hakuch]

On 26.03.2017 14:13, john whelan wrote:
> My understanding is that mapswipe is only used to identify where to map.
> Not to contribute to the map.
> 
> Cheerio John

of course there is no data transmitted to OSM, but how is the data (I
mean, marked tiles) used after I transmitted it? How much is it worth to
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On 26.03.2017 14:15, Jo wrote:
> Tasks.hotosm.org Sierra  Leone​ tasks were preprocessed using Mapswipe
> results

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[john whelan]

My understanding is that mapswipe is only used to identify where to map.
Not to contribute to the map.

Cheerio John

On 26 Mar 2017 7:38 am, "Hakuch"  wrote:

> I contributed some data via mapswipe, but I could not find out where and
> how exactly the marked tiles are used? Are there tasks where the marked
> tiles are beeing mapped? Can I see somewhere, what and how much data I
> contributed via mapswipe?
>
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I contributed some data via mapswipe, but I could not find out where and
how exactly the marked tiles are used? Are there tasks where the marked
tiles are beeing mapped? Can I see somewhere, what and how much data I
contributed via mapswipe?

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Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] A tool for picking up settlements tagged as a single building?

[john whelan]

areasize:300- works quite well.  I picked up nine of them.  You get a fair
amount of large buildings mixed in but its doable with the todo list
plugin.  The maesurement tool helps as well.

Thanks John

On 26 March 2017 at 02:04, Jo  wrote:

> JOSM comes with a measurement plugin :-)
>
> I drew a square somewhere in Africa with sides of about 100m and the area
> is about 1m2.
>
> For giggles, I then grabbed it and dropped it in Europe. Now the
> circumference is 255m, so one side 65m and the area became 4047 square
> meters.
>
> Cheers, and hurray for JOSM and its incredible functionality!
>
> Polyglot
>
> 2017-03-26 1:51 GMT+01:00 john whelan :
>
>> I'll need to play around but by using building followed by remove addr,
>> name etc I can start to pick them out.  What exactly is areasize measured
>> in?How can I determine an areasize?
>>
>> Thanks John
>>
>> On 25 March 2017 at 20:05, Jo  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> When I first saw your message, I looked into Overpass API, but no luck.
>>> In JOSM areasize would definitely work. You'll have to find a sweetspot
>>> around 100-
>>>
>>> so
>>>
>>> building areasize:100-
>>>
>>> or possibly 500 or 1000.
>>>
>>> Polyglot
>>>
>>> 2017-03-25 19:34 GMT+01:00 john whelan :
>>>
 Probably what I'm after is something that I can load up a chunk of map
 at a time say a quarter of an African country from the daily dump in JOSM
 then a selection based on building=yes with a certain minimum size would
 areasize work for that?  Then I can use the todo list to check them one at
 a time.

 What sort of value would I drop into areasize?  Or could I get a sample
 size from i ?

 Thanks John

 On 25 March 2017 at 13:43, Pierre Béland  wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> The OSM Changeset Analyzer let's select bbox and option parameters
> including big building. To test if it provides too many positive answers.
> There could be an other option for very big buildings??
>
> example with reason 34 Large buildings
> http://osmcha.mapbox.com/?bbox=9.272%2C-13.496%2C43.901%2C6.
> 315_suspect=False_whitelisted=True=All=34
>
>
>
>
> Pierre
>
>
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> single building?
>
> It's something I've noticed in Africa so its probably not putting new
> mappers through a month's training first but many villages have been 
> mapped
> but tagged as a single building with building=yes.
>
> They aren't grouped together but rural Africa doesn't have that many
> large foot print buildings so it should be possible to pick them out based
> on location and size.
>
> Any thoughts on how to pick them out?
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[Jo]

JOSM comes with a measurement plugin :-)

I drew a square somewhere in Africa with sides of about 100m and the area
is about 1m2.

For giggles, I then grabbed it and dropped it in Europe. Now the
circumference is 255m, so one side 65m and the area became 4047 square
meters.

Cheers, and hurray for JOSM and its incredible functionality!

Polyglot

2017-03-26 1:51 GMT+01:00 john whelan :

> I'll need to play around but by using building followed by remove addr,
> name etc I can start to pick them out.  What exactly is areasize measured
> in?How can I determine an areasize?
>
> Thanks John
>
> On 25 March 2017 at 20:05, Jo  wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> When I first saw your message, I looked into Overpass API, but no luck.
>> In JOSM areasize would definitely work. You'll have to find a sweetspot
>> around 100-
>>
>> so
>>
>> building areasize:100-
>>
>> or possibly 500 or 1000.
>>
>> Polyglot
>>
>> 2017-03-25 19:34 GMT+01:00 john whelan :
>>
>>> Probably what I'm after is something that I can load up a chunk of map
>>> at a time say a quarter of an African country from the daily dump in JOSM
>>> then a selection based on building=yes with a certain minimum size would
>>> areasize work for that?  Then I can use the todo list to check them one at
>>> a time.
>>>
>>> What sort of value would I drop into areasize?  Or could I get a sample
>>> size from i ?
>>>
>>> Thanks John
>>>
>>> On 25 March 2017 at 13:43, Pierre Béland  wrote:
>>>
 Hi John,

 The OSM Changeset Analyzer let's select bbox and option parameters
 including big building. To test if it provides too many positive answers.
 There could be an other option for very big buildings??

 example with reason 34 Large buildings
 http://osmcha.mapbox.com/?bbox=9.272%2C-13.496%2C43.901%2C6.
 315_suspect=False_whitelisted=True=All=34




 Pierre


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 single building?

 It's something I've noticed in Africa so its probably not putting new
 mappers through a month's training first but many villages have been mapped
 but tagged as a single building with building=yes.

 They aren't grouped together but rural Africa doesn't have that many
 large foot print buildings so it should be possible to pick them out based
 on location and size.

 Any thoughts on how to pick them out?

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