Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-25 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 01:50:25PM -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: Fedora aims for a lightweight [compromise to foster intiatives]: * Special Interest Group + Can be created by anyone + One leader (i.e. the person who requests the mailing list) + No governance expected or required

[IAEP] activities.sugarlabs.org - xo

2009-08-25 Thread forster
For some reason Browse on my XO is having difficulty getting anything from activities.sugarlabs.org but my PC with Firefox is OK. Its just activities.sugarlabs.org and its subdirectories http://www.sugarlabs.org/ is ok http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/ is ok can anyone confirm that there is a

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-25 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:45, Martin Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:00 AM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: This is the goal.  But as Martin correctly points out, policies and rules come at a non-zero price, thus we must be careful that the

Re: [IAEP] activities.sugarlabs.org - xo

2009-08-25 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 08:52:08PM +1000, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: For some reason Browse on my XO is having difficulty getting anything from activities.sugarlabs.org but my PC with Firefox is OK. Do you mean you can't even open activities.sugarlabs.org page or you can't download .xo

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-25 Thread Greg DeKoenigsberg
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Martin Dengler wrote: * Special Interest Group + Can be created by anyone + One leader (i.e. the person who requests the mailing list) + No governance expected or required + No accountability in particular + Can apply for Project status as it grows * Project

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-25 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Mon, 24-08-2009 a las 20:58 +0200, Martin Langhoff escribió: And also... and completely from the outside... I'll apologise in advance for saying something I know might be controversial. I worry that SL seems to have -- for a external party like me -- more bureaucracy than it has people

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Bernie Innocentiber...@codewiz.org wrote: My initial reaction was that community projects work by employing maintainers rather than project managers. Exactly. A PM can only fire you. A maintainer/leader can show his/her priorities in showing areas of focus,

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-25 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 16:40, Martin Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Still, in general terms it might be years before deployments are in a position to repay your help. For SL sustainability in terms of effort, I'd cast a wider look. I don't think we really expect to be repaid, at

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I don't think we really expect to be repaid, at least my opinion is that it's sad to see so much duplicated work and wasted effort because knowledge is not where it's actually needed. Just that. Completely agree with you.

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-25 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 17:03, Michael Stonemich...@laptop.org wrote: El Mon, 24-08-2009 a las 20:58 +0200, Martin Langhoff escribi=F3: And also... and completely from the outside... I'll apologise in advance for saying something I know might be controversial. I worry that SL seems to have --

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-25 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 17:50, Martin Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I don't understand how this helps to this discussion. It's obvious I think Michael just means that there are hints from coming deployments as

[IAEP] OLPC Bangladesh

2009-08-25 Thread Faisal Khan
Hi all, A quick announcement about the creation of a project to start OLPC in Bangladesh. A fan page has been created to foster, cultivate and develop a fan base for this effort in Bangladesh. http://www.facebook.com/pages/OLPC-Bangladesh/131357564135 Please join, to show your support. For

[IAEP] Identifying, engaging, and empowering

2009-08-25 Thread David Farning
The mission of Sugar Labs® is to produce, distribute, and support the use of the Sugar learning platform; it is a support base and gathering place for the community of educators and developers to create, extend, and teach with the Sugar learning platform. Every day or so, I try to take a look at

Re: [IAEP] activities.sugarlabs.org - xo

2009-08-25 Thread forster
Thanks Aleksey (for the benefit of others we discussed this offlist last night my time) Aleksey was able to access the site OK but it has been offline on my XO for 48 hours, there was a period last night of about an hour when it was offline on my PC too. It appears to be a routing issue between

[IAEP] in the nicest possible way

2009-08-25 Thread Dennis Daniels
This is a plea. Sugar has not built successfully for the last five days or so on Ubuntu904. All the changes that other devs have made cannot be tested because one(or more) dev didn't test the build after committing changes. We're all, AFAIK, volunteers. Devs, please try to make the volunteer

Re: [IAEP] in the nicest possible way

2009-08-25 Thread David Farning
Every 12 hours or so sugar is build from scratch on several distributions via a buildbot. see http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/ . It looks like 904 is build on a stock u904. Have you tried deleting your sugar-jhbuild dir and grabbing recloning from git? david On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 6:34 PM,

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-25 Thread Michael Stone
Gary, I'm tired and sad from talking on this subject but I still don't feel that I've been understood. (Or, if I have been, I haven't understood the rebuttals of my position, in which case I apologize for being so dense.) Anyway, here's one more try: Wow, blast from the past :-) Actually I'd

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-25 Thread Gary C Martin
On 25 Aug 2009, at 16:49, Gary C Martin wrote: On 25 Aug 2009, at 16:03, Michael Stone wrote: El Mon, 24-08-2009 a las 20:58 +0200, Martin Langhoff escribi=F3: And also... and completely from the outside... I'll apologise in advance for saying something I know might be controversial. I worry

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-25 Thread Caroline Meeks
Wow! Thanks Gary. I'm adding my two cents in two spots! -- Feature roadmap/Single sign-on from Browse: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap/Single_sign-on_from_Browse Pass. I’ve seen work happening, but having never tested or tried this side of school server work so don’t know

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-25 Thread Michael Stone
Gary, Your reply just made my evening, and even more amusingly, I now think that we may both be right. Regards, Michael (In what ways are we both right, you ask? Very well: You're right that some real progress has been made -- you've assembled quite a list of Gregorio-approved features