Re: [IAEP] translating the graphical history in sugarlabs.org

[Pilar Saenz]

Hi,

2009/5/3 Tomeu Vizoso :
> Hi,
>
> has been thought how to do that?
>
> Pilar Saenz from Sugar Labs Colombia has started its translation and
> has .xcf files (gimp) where the text is in a separate layer for easier
> translation.
>

The xcf files are availables on sugarlabs wiki

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Image:Narrative_01.xcf
...
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Image:Narrative_13.xcf



> Regards,
>
> Tomeu
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(Walter, thanks to include .xcf as  permitted file types )

Best regards,

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Re: [IAEP] lesson plans in French

[Sean DALY]

It may have been me, I got it from Samy at OLPC France and have linked
to it several times

Let's talk with them next week about how to translate this!

I speak French fluently (I'm half French) but I've hesitated to take
that on, very full plate

thanks

Sean


On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:45 AM, Caroline Meeks
 wrote:
> French document written by teachers in Gabon: #LINK
> http://collabo.fse.ulaval.ca/olpc/index.php?2009/02/13/13-redaction-d-un-guide-pedagogique-du-xo-par-une-communaute-d-apprenants
>
> I ran google translate on the blog article this looks great. But when I try
> the pdf it says too big to translate.
>
> I'm fairly new to working across languages but it looks like if  we could
> get this in smaller chucks auto it could be autotranslated well enough for
> me to get the gist and see if its a good starting place for doing some
> teacher training over the summer.
>
> Unfortunately I don't remember who gave me this link!
>
> Does anyone know the owners of this document?
>
> Thanks!
> Caroline
>
>
> --
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> Solution Grove
> carol...@solutiongrove.com
>
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> 505-213-3268 - Fax
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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Project process visualization

[Gaurav Bhushan]

Hi everyone,
Thanks Sameer for forwarding the conversation to me, I was not on the IAEP
and Marketing lists so far, just joined.

> It would be great if you could work with Fred, Christian, Eben, Gary
> and the rest of the wiki/web guy to create this into an interactive
> 'map' for the project.

David, I would love to work on this further and collaborate with Fred,
Christian, Eben and Gary to shape it into an interactive map for the
project. My skill sets lie in graphics and visualization, and can help you
guys take it to that level with some help in the technical implementation.

> FWIW, this rest of us will likely kibitz loudly about your choices for
> naming and categorization:)

I am keen on making any changes that are needed to the naming and
categorization :) I realize it is still very crude, but I think it is in
shape now to trigger more ideas amongst you guys as to what it can become,
and I am pretty excited about that.

I think if we can brainstorm on the structure, naming and categorization and
freeze on a model, I can take it forward from there to do a couple of
iterations on the icons. Fred, I can share the icons as SVGs, can we create
a wiki where we could assemble all our ideas and production material for an
interactive map?

Also I would like to mention that this poster would not have been possible
without the support of Harriet and Amit at the Digital Bridge Foundation,
Reliance Communications, Mumbai.

Regards,
Gaurav

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Gaurav Bhushan  wrote:

>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Sameer Verma 
> Date: Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] Project process visualization
> To: David Farning 
> Cc: Frederick Grose , olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org,
> iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, Marketing ,
> gaura...@nid.edu, amit gogna , Harriet Vidyasagar <
> outofin...@gmail.com>
>
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 4:55 PM, David Farning 
> wrote:
> > Hey Gaurav,
> >
> > The diagram is great!  This is what I had originally envisioned for
> > our getting started page on the [www|wiki].sugarlabs.org.
> >
> > The best part about the diagram is how it communicates how all of the
> > different pieces fit together to make the ecosystem work.  Yet,
> > individuals can drill down to specific , manageable, areas which they
> > can learn more about.
> >
> > It would be great if you could work with Fred, Christian, Eben, Gary
> > and the rest of the wiki/web guy to create this into an interactive
> > 'map' for the project.
> >
> > FWIW, this rest of us will likely kibitz loudly about your choices for
> > naming and categorization:)
> >
> > David
> >
> > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Frederick Grose 
> wrote:
> >> Hi Gaurav,
> >> I like your visualization of the social communication process for the
> >> OLPC project.  The icons are simple and fun to associate with a concept,
> the
> >> cycles nicely emphasize the iteration needed in all domains, and the
> overlap
> >> with intersections demonstrate the coordination that is needed.
> >> I can imagine versions where nodes would be expanded in subsets to show
> more
> >> detail of a process.  For example, we could use such a map to explain
> and
> >> guide newcomers to the software development cycle and community tools.
> >> Could you share the icons and tools you used to allow others to work on
> >> prototypes and drafts for their processes?
> >> We could start using more of these and similar icons for tagging
> concepts in
> >> our wikis and Sweet software, and we could use the maps as a
> navigational
> >> aids.
> >> Thank you for your contributions!
> >>--Fred
> >> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Gaurav Bhushan 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>> While I was a student of information design at National Institute of
> >>> Design, India, I worked on brainstorming and visualizing an ecosystem
> to
> >>> support the OLPC project in India.
> >>>
> >>> I am attaching a poster representing the same. The idea was to trigger
> >>> advocacy among key players in Education, Technology and Outreach.
> >>>
> >>> It is still very crude, and I can take out more time to work on it if
> you
> >>> guys have some feedback and inputs. I feel a lot more can be done in
> terms
> >>> of making it interactive.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Gaurav Bhushan
> >>> User Experience Design
> >>> Google, India
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Gaurav Bhushan
> >>> Information Design
> >>> National Institute of Design, India
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Project process visualization

[Sameer Verma]

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 4:55 PM, David Farning  wrote:
> Hey Gaurav,
>
> The diagram is great!  This is what I had originally envisioned for
> our getting started page on the [www|wiki].sugarlabs.org.
>
> The best part about the diagram is how it communicates how all of the
> different pieces fit together to make the ecosystem work.  Yet,
> individuals can drill down to specific , manageable, areas which they
> can learn more about.
>
> It would be great if you could work with Fred, Christian, Eben, Gary
> and the rest of the wiki/web guy to create this into an interactive
> 'map' for the project.
>
> FWIW, this rest of us will likely kibitz loudly about your choices for
> naming and categorization:)
>
> David
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Frederick Grose  wrote:
>> Hi Gaurav,
>> I like your visualization of the social communication process for the
>> OLPC project.  The icons are simple and fun to associate with a concept, the
>> cycles nicely emphasize the iteration needed in all domains, and the overlap
>> with intersections demonstrate the coordination that is needed.
>> I can imagine versions where nodes would be expanded in subsets to show more
>> detail of a process.  For example, we could use such a map to explain and
>> guide newcomers to the software development cycle and community tools.
>> Could you share the icons and tools you used to allow others to work on
>> prototypes and drafts for their processes?
>> We could start using more of these and similar icons for tagging concepts in
>> our wikis and Sweet software, and we could use the maps as a navigational
>> aids.
>> Thank you for your contributions!
>>        --Fred
>> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Gaurav Bhushan  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> While I was a student of information design at National Institute of
>>> Design, India, I worked on brainstorming and visualizing an ecosystem to
>>> support the OLPC project in India.
>>>
>>> I am attaching a poster representing the same. The idea was to trigger
>>> advocacy among key players in Education, Technology and Outreach.
>>>
>>> It is still very crude, and I can take out more time to work on it if you
>>> guys have some feedback and inputs. I feel a lot more can be done in terms
>>> of making it interactive.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Gaurav Bhushan
>>> User Experience Design
>>> Google, India
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gaurav Bhushan
>>> Information Design
>>> National Institute of Design, India
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
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>>
>>
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Hi Gaurav,

Its good to finally see your model on the lists here. I'm also quite
pleased that you are done with school and are at Google (Hyd I
presume?). Congratulations!

I saw Gaurav's model last year when I was visiting Reliance/DBF in
India - this is the group that did Khairat
(http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Khairat_school). Obviously, Gaurav has put
a lot of effort into it. My suggestions were to (1) release it under a
CC style license and (2) maybe explore an interface (AJAX or
otherwise) that would allow "Zoom in" and Zoom out" of different
cycles and levels for big picture and drill down details with
explanations and links at each level.

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
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Associate Professor of Information Systems
San Francisco State University
San Francisco CA 94132 USA
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
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Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] Planning for Sugar Camp Paris

[David Farning]

Does it have good public transportation to the site? If so, this
sounds great for the smaller days around the official OLPC France
event.

BTW, were you at wintercamp in Amsterdam?  /temp/lab/ sounds familiar
but I can figure out why:)

David

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Nico  wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
>> With regards to logistics I was wondering where we'll have the meetings,
>> I assume the location that OLPC France is providing is only available on
>> Saturday? Are there any hacker-spaces, apartments, whatever that we can
>> occupy while we're there?
>>
> Here at the /tmp/lab we can offer the full space for whatever meeting
> you're planning to setup. Remember that /tmp/lab is in Vitry-sur-Seine,
> roughtly 45 minutes from SugarCamp at La Cantine.
>
> Please le us know if you're interested in :)
>
> Waiting to hear from you,
> --
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-05-03

[David Farning]

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Bastien  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> following David Farning's advice, we want to keep the SugarCamp as
> informal as possible.  Yet we want to have some tangible output, on
> top of the obvious (and noble) task of building the Sugar community.
>
> So we have been brainstorming a bit and here are 17 challenges that
> we may want to tackle.  Here is your mission:
>
> - re-order this list to reflect your priorities (we will certainly
>  focus only on the 10 first items in this list)
>
> - try to be more specific in defining each challenge (we will have
>  a page on the wiki describing each challenge more thoroughly)
>
> - try to make the challenge both doable and... challenging!
>
> Of course, this list is open.
>
> Thanks a bunch in advance for your feedback.
>
> 
>
> - Gcompris: package Gcompris as a .xo file
>
> - WikiBrowse: have a simple receipe to build a WikiBrowse in any
>  language, and start using it for a french WikiBrowse
>
> - Help activity: have a simple receipe to build a Help activity in any
>  language, and start a french WikiBrowse
>
> - Install Sugar on the Gdium

If you are doing an install fest, I just ordered a Lenovo s10 which
could use Sugarizing:)  I hope that it, running sugar, can be my
laptop for daily use for the next 6 months.

I never have gotten Sugar to run on my several year old Lenovo 3000 N100:(

david

> - Finish the malagasy translation of Sugar core system
>
> - Run the XS server on several architectures/systèmes
>
> - Define and build a french bundle of Sugar activities
>
> - Update several XOs from another XO
>
> - Run Ooo4Kids on the XO (make it run better, sugarize it)
>
> - Have a usable Ebook reader and package content for it
>
> - Specify a pedagogical activity based on 3D sound
>
> - Have an activity (à la Help) to make the Guide XO Gabon
>  available/readable within Sugar
>
> - Hardware test for SOAS
>
> - Run Sugar on a Nokia N800
>
> - Translate the deployment guide
>
> - Create screencasts for several activities
>
> - Have a css to make a Moodle website more readable on the XO/netbooks
>
> 
>
> --
>  Bastien
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-05-03

[Bastien]

Martin Dengler  writes:

> On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 01:45:29AM +0200, Bastien wrote:
>> - Update several XOs from another XO
>
> You mean
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Multicast_NAND_FLASH_Update#NANDblasting_an_Unsigned_NAND_Image_File
> ?

Well, yes, maybe (Samy?)  

Which reminds me we could add a challenge about NANDBlaster (Daniel?)

>> - Run Sugar on a Nokia N800
>
> N810 ok?
> http://guysoft.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/nokia-n810-running-olpc-sugar/

Yes.  I have a N800 and I'm happy to lend it to anyone willing to run
Sugar on it!

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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Project process visualization

[David Farning]

Hey Gaurav,

The diagram is great!  This is what I had originally envisioned for
our getting started page on the [www|wiki].sugarlabs.org.

The best part about the diagram is how it communicates how all of the
different pieces fit together to make the ecosystem work.  Yet,
individuals can drill down to specific , manageable, areas which they
can learn more about.

It would be great if you could work with Fred, Christian, Eben, Gary
and the rest of the wiki/web guy to create this into an interactive
'map' for the project.

FWIW, this rest of us will likely kibitz loudly about your choices for
naming and categorization:)

David

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Frederick Grose  wrote:
> Hi Gaurav,
> I like your visualization of the social communication process for the
> OLPC project.  The icons are simple and fun to associate with a concept, the
> cycles nicely emphasize the iteration needed in all domains, and the overlap
> with intersections demonstrate the coordination that is needed.
> I can imagine versions where nodes would be expanded in subsets to show more
> detail of a process.  For example, we could use such a map to explain and
> guide newcomers to the software development cycle and community tools.
> Could you share the icons and tools you used to allow others to work on
> prototypes and drafts for their processes?
> We could start using more of these and similar icons for tagging concepts in
> our wikis and Sweet software, and we could use the maps as a navigational
> aids.
> Thank you for your contributions!
>        --Fred
> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Gaurav Bhushan  wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> While I was a student of information design at National Institute of
>> Design, India, I worked on brainstorming and visualizing an ecosystem to
>> support the OLPC project in India.
>>
>> I am attaching a poster representing the same. The idea was to trigger
>> advocacy among key players in Education, Technology and Outreach.
>>
>> It is still very crude, and I can take out more time to work on it if you
>> guys have some feedback and inputs. I feel a lot more can be done in terms
>> of making it interactive.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Gaurav Bhushan
>> User Experience Design
>> Google, India
>>
>> --
>> Gaurav Bhushan
>> Information Design
>> National Institute of Design, India
>>
>>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-05-03

[Martin Dengler]

On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 01:45:29AM +0200, Bastien wrote:
> - Update several XOs from another XO

You mean
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Multicast_NAND_FLASH_Update#NANDblasting_an_Unsigned_NAND_Image_File
 ?

> - Run Sugar on a Nokia N800

N810 ok? http://guysoft.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/nokia-n810-running-olpc-sugar/

Martin


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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-05-03

[Bastien]

Hi all,

following David Farning's advice, we want to keep the SugarCamp as
informal as possible.  Yet we want to have some tangible output, on 
top of the obvious (and noble) task of building the Sugar community.

So we have been brainstorming a bit and here are 17 challenges that 
we may want to tackle.  Here is your mission: 

- re-order this list to reflect your priorities (we will certainly
  focus only on the 10 first items in this list)

- try to be more specific in defining each challenge (we will have 
  a page on the wiki describing each challenge more thoroughly)

- try to make the challenge both doable and... challenging!

Of course, this list is open.

Thanks a bunch in advance for your feedback.



- Gcompris: package Gcompris as a .xo file

- WikiBrowse: have a simple receipe to build a WikiBrowse in any
  language, and start using it for a french WikiBrowse

- Help activity: have a simple receipe to build a Help activity in any
  language, and start a french WikiBrowse

- Install Sugar on the Gdium

- Finish the malagasy translation of Sugar core system

- Run the XS server on several architectures/systèmes

- Define and build a french bundle of Sugar activities

- Update several XOs from another XO

- Run Ooo4Kids on the XO (make it run better, sugarize it)

- Have a usable Ebook reader and package content for it

- Specify a pedagogical activity based on 3D sound

- Have an activity (à la Help) to make the Guide XO Gabon
  available/readable within Sugar

- Hardware test for SOAS

- Run Sugar on a Nokia N800

- Translate the deployment guide

- Create screencasts for several activities

- Have a css to make a Moodle website more readable on the XO/netbooks



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[IAEP] lesson plans in French

[Caroline Meeks]

French document written by teachers in Gabon: #LINK
http://collabo.fse.ulaval.ca/olpc/index.php?2009/02/13/13-redaction-d-un-guide-pedagogique-du-xo-par-une-communaute-d-apprenants

I ran google translate on the blog article this looks great. But when I try
the pdf it says too big to translate.

I'm fairly new to working across languages but it looks like if  we could
get this in smaller chucks auto it could be autotranslated well enough for
me to get the gist and see if its a good starting place for doing some
teacher training over the summer.

Unfortunately I don't remember who gave me this link!

Does anyone know the owners of this document?

Thanks!
Caroline


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Re: [IAEP] NYSCATE - Nov 2009 in Rochester NY

[Karlie Robinson]

Kevin Cole wrote:
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:38, Karlie Robinson 
> mailto:karlie_robin...@webpath.net>> wrote:
>
> So would anyone like to come to Rochester with your XOs and help
> lead a
> 3 or 6 hour hands on session?  If so, what should we present for 3
> hours?
>
> No promises, but I might be able to use the opportunity to see friends 
> and family -- though November was one of the reasons I left, the 
> others being December, January, February and often March. ;-)
>
Thanks, Kevin. 

I hope to start getting our ducks in a row over the next couple of 
weeks.  We'll most likely lead the charge on the Fourth Grade Math 
mailing list [1] as that's what I'm most familiar with as far as SL.o 
goes. 

~Karlie
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Re: [IAEP] NYSCATE - Nov 2009 in Rochester NY

[Kevin Cole]

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:38, Karlie Robinson
wrote:

> Good afternoon everyone.
> Charles Profitt has me thinking a lot about he New York State
> Association for Computers and Technologies in Education Trade show in
> Rochester NY, November 22-24, 2009.  As Chas explains, if technology
> isn't pitched at NYSCATE, it won't even be on the radar for districts in
> NY State.
> While I could complete the RFP for a 1 hour talk, I'd like to do
> something spectacular if we could.
> So would anyone like to come to Rochester with your XOs and help lead a
> 3 or 6 hour hands on session?  If so, what should we present for 3 hours?

No promises, but I might be able to use the opportunity to see friends and
family -- though November was one of the reasons I left, the others being
December, January, February and often March. ;-)
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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[Aleksey Lim]

On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 02:57:21PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote:
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:12 PM, James Simmons  
> wrote:
> > Aleksey,
> >
> > ... In the
> > Calibre screenshot we had File Size, Publisher, Date, Series, and I
> > could easily do without any of them.
> 
> Whereas I would use each of them frequently.
> 
> o File Size is particularly useful for deciding what to dump when you
> are running out of space, considering also whether you can download it
> again at need, or perhaps should back it up first.
> 
> o I am researching textbook publishers, and would find it incredibly
> useful to have their catalogs in such a system with appropriate
> tagging.
> 
> o Date is extremely helpful in navigating Series, and looking at the
> development of a subject.
> 
> o Series is particularly useful for collections by multiple authors
> and even multiple publishers, such as the 40+ canonical Oz books and
> the 100+ titles since, not all of them for children.
> 
> > Considering that most users of Sugar are going to be children enforcing
> > a minimum structure couldn't hurt.
> 
> I don't like enforcement, but I do approve of useful defaults. I
> recommend having a way to store several sets of settings for different
> purposes. I also suggest some level of integration with Browse, so
> that bookmarking a URL for a document file can automatically add it to
> the book list for easy downloading.
counted :)
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Library#Going_further

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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[James Simmons]

Carol,

I meant no insult to children.  I just thought they could benefit from a 
basic structure which they could then add to.  Not everyone is good at 
designing hierarchies.  It's something you have to learn.  My own mother 
has not really mastered the idea of hierarchical file systems.  (Dad 
leaves the computing to Mom).  My wife, when asked where walnuts could 
be found in the supermarket, answered "In the Nut Section."  The answer 
I was looking for would have been "In the Baking aisle."

James Simmons

Carol Farlow Lerche wrote:
> Jim, children are great collectors.  I just think it is wise to try 
> interfaces with varying numbers of items before concluding that one or 
> another mode is "too complicated".  If you'd like to try an interface 
> that has tunable complexity, you might like to get a copy of the 
> readerware trial.  I can supply a database with around a thousand 
> books as a sample (my daughter's old elementary school was incredibly 
> generous with a book drive!).
>


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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[Edward Cherlin]

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:12 PM, James Simmons  wrote:
> Aleksey,
>
> ... In the
> Calibre screenshot we had File Size, Publisher, Date, Series, and I
> could easily do without any of them.

Whereas I would use each of them frequently.

o File Size is particularly useful for deciding what to dump when you
are running out of space, considering also whether you can download it
again at need, or perhaps should back it up first.

o I am researching textbook publishers, and would find it incredibly
useful to have their catalogs in such a system with appropriate
tagging.

o Date is extremely helpful in navigating Series, and looking at the
development of a subject.

o Series is particularly useful for collections by multiple authors
and even multiple publishers, such as the 40+ canonical Oz books and
the 100+ titles since, not all of them for children.

> Considering that most users of Sugar are going to be children enforcing
> a minimum structure couldn't hurt.

I don't like enforcement, but I do approve of useful defaults. I
recommend having a way to store several sets of settings for different
purposes. I also suggest some level of integration with Browse, so
that bookmarking a URL for a document file can automatically add it to
the book list for easy downloading.

> James Simmons
>
> Aleksey Lim wrote:
>> Well, in my mind the best solution is let user choose the right way :)

+1

>> So Library will have several tags views
>> * cloud of tags
>> * tree of tags
>> * plane list of objects i.e. w/o any tags
>>
>>
>
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Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] Planning for Sugar Camp Paris

[Nico]

Hi Chris,

Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
> With regards to logistics I was wondering where we'll have the meetings, 
> I assume the location that OLPC France is providing is only available on 
> Saturday? Are there any hacker-spaces, apartments, whatever that we can 
> occupy while we're there?
>   
Here at the /tmp/lab we can offer the full space for whatever meeting
you're planning to setup. Remember that /tmp/lab is in Vitry-sur-Seine,
roughtly 45 minutes from SugarCamp at La Cantine.

Please le us know if you're interested in :)

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[IAEP] OLPC Volunteer Infrastructure Group Meeting: [Now]

[Stefan Unterhauser]

The Volunteer Infrastructure Group (/gang) Meeting is today (May
5th) at 4pm (EST)

The Volunteer Infrastructure Group is a team of Volunteer Sysadmins
who help maintain services and systems around OLPC and the
OLPC/SugarLabs community.  The weekly VIG meeting is an excellent
chance to get involved, or to be aware of upcoming projects.

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Volunteer_Infrastructure_Group
http://vig.laptop.org/wiki/index.php/User:Dogi
http://idea.laptop.org/ideatorrent/ideatorrent/vig/
http://embed.mibbit.com/?server=irc.oftc.net&channel=%23olpc-admin&settings=12a698505c860f99a6ad1051c57975f9&noServerTab=false&noServerNotices=true&noServerMotd=true&nick=Guest

Meeting Details:
  Date:   May 5th, 2009
  Time:   16:00 EST
  Location: irc.oftc.net  #olpc-admin

ciao
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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[Edward Cherlin]

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Aleksey Lim  wrote:
> On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 02:33:30PM -0500, James Simmons wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> The last few emails on the Library Activity suggest that people are
>> looking at Library as a way of organizing their various Journal content
>> just as much if not more than as a way to share said content.
>>
>> As far as organizing content goes, I like what Calibre does better than
>> the tree view you seem to be proposing.  What I would like is a tabular
>> format where you can sort ascending or descending on any column, and
>> filter on any column.  Both Calibre and iTunes have a view like this and
>> for me it works.  I would have columns for Title, Author, Subject, and
>> Type, where Author and Subject are optional.
>>
>> A tree structure is good for hiding stuff you don't want to look at.  If
>> you want to browse through everything (expand the entire tree) it wastes
>> vertical space.
>
> Well, in my mind the best solution is let user choose the right way :)
>
> So Library will have several tags views
> * cloud of tags
> * tree of tags
> * plane list of objects i.e. w/o any tags

A Mind Map view might be a useful option. Let users create links
between books, and automatically create links from books to others
that they refer to, or that refer to them. (The reverse citations
index is one of the most powerful ways that academics use to find the
latest research in their field. Just look up one of the foundational
works, and see who has mentioned it lately, and in what context.)

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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[Aleksey Lim]

On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 04:12:39PM -0500, James Simmons wrote:
> Aleksey,
>
> It isn't clear to me what a "cloud of tags" is.  Is there a familiar  
> application that does something like this?
thanks to Martin,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_cloud

> I understand that users can tag things to suit themselves, but still I'd  
> want to impose some kind of structure on the views.  When I started  
> visiting libraries they had card catalogs for Author, Title, and  
> Subject.  It was a good system, and every library used it.  You could  
> create a lot of other indexes but they wouldn't get much use.  In the  
> Calibre screenshot we had File Size, Publisher, Date, Series, and I  
> could easily do without any of them.
>
> Considering that most users of Sugar are going to be children enforcing  
> a minimum structure couldn't hurt.
agree,
at the end Library's functionality(at least on the paper:) grows

I'm thinking about implementing two layers of UI.
Another option - using presets of Library object, like
* "Activities" for activities and objects that could be treated like
  activities(for example .swf files)
* "Books"
* "All my objects"
* etc.
all these presets could have different sets of default UI elements

But anyway, I think its a task for future Library versions.

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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[Carol Farlow Lerche]

Jim, children are great collectors.  I just think it is wise to try
interfaces with varying numbers of items before concluding that one or
another mode is "too complicated".  If you'd like to try an interface that
has tunable complexity, you might like to get a copy of the readerware
trial.  I can supply a database with around a thousand books as a sample (my
daughter's old elementary school was incredibly generous with a book
drive!).

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:12 PM, James Simmons wrote:

> Aleksey,
>
> It isn't clear to me what a "cloud of tags" is.  Is there a familiar
> application that does something like this?
>
> I understand that users can tag things to suit themselves, but still I'd
> want to impose some kind of structure on the views.  When I started visiting
> libraries they had card catalogs for Author, Title, and Subject.  It was a
> good system, and every library used it.  You could create a lot of other
> indexes but they wouldn't get much use.  In the Calibre screenshot we had
> File Size, Publisher, Date, Series, and I could easily do without any of
> them.
>
> Considering that most users of Sugar are going to be children enforcing a
> minimum structure couldn't hurt.
>
> James Simmons
>
> Aleksey Lim wrote:
>
>> Well, in my mind the best solution is let user choose the right way :)
>>
>> So Library will have several tags views
>> * cloud of tags
>> * tree of tags
>> * plane list of objects i.e. w/o any tags
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[Martin Dengler]

On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 04:12:39PM -0500, James Simmons wrote:
> Aleksey,
> 
> It isn't clear to me what a "cloud of tags" is.  Is there a familiar 
> application that does something like this?

Perhaps he means http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_cloud

> James Simmons

Martin


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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[James Simmons]

Aleksey,

It isn't clear to me what a "cloud of tags" is.  Is there a familiar 
application that does something like this?

I understand that users can tag things to suit themselves, but still I'd 
want to impose some kind of structure on the views.  When I started 
visiting libraries they had card catalogs for Author, Title, and 
Subject.  It was a good system, and every library used it.  You could 
create a lot of other indexes but they wouldn't get much use.  In the 
Calibre screenshot we had File Size, Publisher, Date, Series, and I 
could easily do without any of them.

Considering that most users of Sugar are going to be children enforcing 
a minimum structure couldn't hurt.

James Simmons

Aleksey Lim wrote:
> Well, in my mind the best solution is let user choose the right way :)
>
> So Library will have several tags views
> * cloud of tags
> * tree of tags
> * plane list of objects i.e. w/o any tags
>
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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[Aleksey Lim]

On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 12:46:56PM -0700, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote:
> To the extent that "Title", "Author", etc. are simply labels for two tags
> that many ebook items have, and that one could establish others, it is a
> good generalization of calibre's useful but fixed view.
a great idea!..

Instead of having "Search by column" option(which should complicate
(not)a bit UI, for example original Journal has only on "Search" field) 
we could treat object's properties in the way of another "source" of
tags values.

For example if we have 100 books by 2 authors, user should scroll all
100 items to reveal this fact, but now he can find this information in
"tags sidebar"(which should contain only 2 items).

Though, in the case of 100 books by 100 authors it doesn't work,
but it could be suppressed by using composite tag "Author"(or so)

I've added this feature to Library features list.

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Re: [IAEP] School Report and request for help replicating some SoaS bugs.

[Bert Freudenberg]

On 05.05.2009, at 20:00, Caroline Meeks wrote:

On the mac's they seemed to boot fine from the CD+USB but there was  
some sort of problem with the screen.  I've attached a pic, has  
anyone else seen it?


Looks a lot like what I reported for the Mac mini:

http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg03875.html

If I'm not mistaken the Macbook uses the same Intel graphics chip as  
the Mac mini.


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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[Aleksey Lim]

On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 02:33:30PM -0500, James Simmons wrote:
> All,
>
> The last few emails on the Library Activity suggest that people are  
> looking at Library as a way of organizing their various Journal content  
> just as much if not more than as a way to share said content.
>
> As far as organizing content goes, I like what Calibre does better than  
> the tree view you seem to be proposing.  What I would like is a tabular  
> format where you can sort ascending or descending on any column, and  
> filter on any column.  Both Calibre and iTunes have a view like this and  
> for me it works.  I would have columns for Title, Author, Subject, and  
> Type, where Author and Subject are optional.
>
> A tree structure is good for hiding stuff you don't want to look at.  If  
> you want to browse through everything (expand the entire tree) it wastes  
> vertical space.

Well, in my mind the best solution is let user choose the right way :)

So Library will have several tags views
* cloud of tags
* tree of tags
* plane list of objects i.e. w/o any tags

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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[Carol Farlow Lerche]

Here is fisheye.

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche  wrote:

> To the extent that "Title", "Author", etc. are simply labels for two tags
> that many ebook items have, and that one could establish others, it is a
> good generalization of calibre's useful but fixed view. A lot of programs
> (including the dreaded Windows) allow selection of which columns to display,
> optimizing screen real estate for personal preferences.  And some types of
> displays work much better for small sets of items as opposed to large ones.
> The fisheye view in my last post is not at all useful for a large
> collection, but it works well for a search result with a few to about a
> hundred items.
>
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:33 PM, James Simmons 
> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> The last few emails on the Library Activity suggest that people are
>> looking at Library as a way of organizing their various Journal content just
>> as much if not more than as a way to share said content.
>>
>> As far as organizing content goes, I like what Calibre does better than
>> the tree view you seem to be proposing.  What I would like is a tabular
>> format where you can sort ascending or descending on any column, and filter
>> on any column.  Both Calibre and iTunes have a view like this and for me it
>> works.  I would have columns for Title, Author, Subject, and Type, where
>> Author and Subject are optional.
>>
>> A tree structure is good for hiding stuff you don't want to look at.  If
>> you want to browse through everything (expand the entire tree) it wastes
>> vertical space.
>>
>> James Simmons
>>
>>
>>
>> Samuel Klein wrote:
>>
>>> The screenshots help the discussion a great deal.
>>>
>>> Thinking in terms of how you sort and change views is useful, since
>>> there are a few very different use cases that could all rely on what
>>> Aleksey is describing [local calibre, active filesharing, global
>>> persistent file hosting and bundle creation/publishing among them]
>>>
>>> SJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Aleksey Lim 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
 On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 09:41:01AM -0700, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote:


> Sorry for posting the screenshot without text (I was reposting a
> compacted
> version of the original screenshot, which our list manager wisely
> refused to
> forward).  My original post was:
>
> I have attached a screenshot of calibre.  This is a very useful way to
> look
> at books, though I'm sure many improvements could be suggested.
>  (Clicking
> column headings sorts the grid.)
>
>
 Thanks for screens,
 Library could have fileformat-backends to parse all these books related
 properties from files to make calibre-like view more useful.

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>>
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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[Carol Farlow Lerche]

To the extent that "Title", "Author", etc. are simply labels for two tags
that many ebook items have, and that one could establish others, it is a
good generalization of calibre's useful but fixed view. A lot of programs
(including the dreaded Windows) allow selection of which columns to display,
optimizing screen real estate for personal preferences.  And some types of
displays work much better for small sets of items as opposed to large ones.
The fisheye view in my last post is not at all useful for a large
collection, but it works well for a search result with a few to about a
hundred items.

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:33 PM, James Simmons wrote:

> All,
>
> The last few emails on the Library Activity suggest that people are looking
> at Library as a way of organizing their various Journal content just as much
> if not more than as a way to share said content.
>
> As far as organizing content goes, I like what Calibre does better than the
> tree view you seem to be proposing.  What I would like is a tabular format
> where you can sort ascending or descending on any column, and filter on any
> column.  Both Calibre and iTunes have a view like this and for me it works.
>  I would have columns for Title, Author, Subject, and Type, where Author and
> Subject are optional.
>
> A tree structure is good for hiding stuff you don't want to look at.  If
> you want to browse through everything (expand the entire tree) it wastes
> vertical space.
>
> James Simmons
>
>
>
> Samuel Klein wrote:
>
>> The screenshots help the discussion a great deal.
>>
>> Thinking in terms of how you sort and change views is useful, since
>> there are a few very different use cases that could all rely on what
>> Aleksey is describing [local calibre, active filesharing, global
>> persistent file hosting and bundle creation/publishing among them]
>>
>> SJ
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Aleksey Lim 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 09:41:01AM -0700, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Sorry for posting the screenshot without text (I was reposting a
 compacted
 version of the original screenshot, which our list manager wisely
 refused to
 forward).  My original post was:

 I have attached a screenshot of calibre.  This is a very useful way to
 look
 at books, though I'm sure many improvements could be suggested.
  (Clicking
 column headings sorts the grid.)


>>> Thanks for screens,
>>> Library could have fileformat-backends to parse all these books related
>>> properties from files to make calibre-like view more useful.
>>>
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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[James Simmons]

All,

The last few emails on the Library Activity suggest that people are 
looking at Library as a way of organizing their various Journal content 
just as much if not more than as a way to share said content.

As far as organizing content goes, I like what Calibre does better than 
the tree view you seem to be proposing.  What I would like is a tabular 
format where you can sort ascending or descending on any column, and 
filter on any column.  Both Calibre and iTunes have a view like this and 
for me it works.  I would have columns for Title, Author, Subject, and 
Type, where Author and Subject are optional.

A tree structure is good for hiding stuff you don't want to look at.  If 
you want to browse through everything (expand the entire tree) it wastes 
vertical space.

James Simmons


Samuel Klein wrote:
> The screenshots help the discussion a great deal.
>
> Thinking in terms of how you sort and change views is useful, since
> there are a few very different use cases that could all rely on what
> Aleksey is describing [local calibre, active filesharing, global
> persistent file hosting and bundle creation/publishing among them]
>
> SJ
>
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Aleksey Lim  wrote:
>   
>> On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 09:41:01AM -0700, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry for posting the screenshot without text (I was reposting a compacted
>>> version of the original screenshot, which our list manager wisely refused to
>>> forward).  My original post was:
>>>
>>> I have attached a screenshot of calibre.  This is a very useful way to look
>>> at books, though I'm sure many improvements could be suggested.  (Clicking
>>> column headings sorts the grid.)
>>>   
>> Thanks for screens,
>> Library could have fileformat-backends to parse all these books related
>> properties from files to make calibre-like view more useful.
>>
>> --
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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[Edward Cherlin]

Here is a screenshot from Goodreads.com of the beginning of my
Economics collection. I have to go around the house and find the rest,
put them on a physical shelf together (I recently added three new
bookcases), and add them to my list. People occasionally ask me where
to get a particular book, or comment when I list one of their
favorites.

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Gary C Martin  wrote:
> On 5 May 2009, at 18:23, Aleksey Lim wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 09:41:01AM -0700, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote:
>>> I have attached a screenshot of calibre.  This is a very useful way to
>>> look
>>> at books, though I'm sure many improvements could be suggested.
>>>  (Clicking
>>> column headings sorts the grid.)
>>
>> Thanks for screens,
>> Library could have fileformat-backends to parse all these books related
>> properties from files to make calibre-like view more useful.
>
> Just for a more tangible UI reference. Here's how the lovely Delicious
> Library presents objects, not just books, but music, dvds, tools, gadgets,
> clothes, anything you care to give it really. You can then share and browse
> the library meta-data with friends so you know what items you each have (or
> are willing) to share. It's more aimed at tracking physical objects, rather
> than distributing virtual objects, so you would use it to track who's has
> got what if you were running say, an physical XO hardware lending library.
> But virtual objects would work just as well in the UI.
>
> --Gary
>>
>> --
>> Aleksey

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Re: [IAEP] educational brew

[Albert Cahalan]

Kathy Pusztavari writes:

> "You could set up '4th grade math for Massachusetts' as a list of
> things to master. It's quite similar to setting up a Makefile
> with a target that exists purely to have a list of prerequisites."
>
> Albert - that is exactly what I was referring to.  A set of curriculum
> to get you started but a good teacher could then go in and adapt the
> files or make file for their standards (or find a local nerd to help).
> I referred to Turtle Typing.  Being a linux numbskull, I accidentally
> ran the MAKEFILE and found out that it seeds your lessons.  Honestly,
> I had heard of MAKEFILE but I didn't know what it did.

Sorry about that. The explanation wasn't any good for non-programmers.
I suppose I can try to explain "make". Here you go:

Suppose you had a file, commonly called "Makefile", containing this:

###

4th-grade-math: 4th-grade-fractions long-division

long-division: simple-division big-multiplication
teach long-division.lesson
teach long-division-extra-work.lesson
teach long-division-extra-work-2.lesson

simple-division: simple-multiplication
teach simple-division.lesson

4th-grade-fractions: simplify-fractions measure-fractions

measure-fractions: ruler
teach measure-fractions.lesson
teach measure-fractions-extra-work.lesson

ruler:
teach ruler.lesson

simplify-fractions: lcd gcd simple-division what-fraction-is
teach simplify-fractions.lession

[ ... lots of stuff missing ... ]

count-to-3:
teach count-to-3.lesson

###

Each item on the left, before a colon, is something you could create.
(in this case, you're creating an education) Each item to the right,
after a colon, is a prerequisite for the item to its left. The indented
lines are commands that are needed to create things.

To learn 4th-grade-math, you don't actually need to create anything.
You just need to satisfy the prerequisites. So if we ask the "make"
program to create 4th-grade-math, it adds 4th-grade-fractions and
long-division to the list of things you want to learn and starts in
on them. Once those prerequisites are done, 4th-grade-math is done.

The long-division knowledge also has prerequisites, simple-division
and big-multiplication. Prerequisites must be done prior to starting
a lesson, so we add those to the list of things to learn and keep
going. Unlike 4th-grade-math, long-division has lessons to teach.
We have to come back to those after the prerequisites are satisfied.

4th-grade-fractions is more like 4th-grade-math. It doesn't have a
lesson by itself; it is just a list of other things to learn.

Eventually you get to a starting point with no prerequisites. That is
count-to-3 in my example. There may be more than one starting point,
in which case they may be done in any order. Reasonable starting points
always have lessons. Those are taught, completing the starting points.
This satisfies prerequisites for other things, which thus become
available as starting points. Ultimately 4th-grade-math becomes a
starting point, which is trivial because it has no lessons. Since that
was the original request, you're done.

If we were actually going to run that file using "make", we'd need a
command called "teach". Maybe the "teach" command sends a text message
to a human teacher, or maybe it runs a Sugar activity. The "teach"
command just needs to ensure that the material is taught.

There are plenty of details that keep this from working exactly as
written. Students may forget things. I used spaces instead of tabs
to indent the lines. I left out a big chunk. I hope this cleared up
what I meant though.

That "MAKEFILE" you mention might not be a real Makefile. It might
be a script that runs the "make" command with a particular Makefile
specified.
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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[Samuel Klein]

The screenshots help the discussion a great deal.

Thinking in terms of how you sort and change views is useful, since
there are a few very different use cases that could all rely on what
Aleksey is describing [local calibre, active filesharing, global
persistent file hosting and bundle creation/publishing among them]

SJ


On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Aleksey Lim  wrote:
> On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 09:41:01AM -0700, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote:
>> Sorry for posting the screenshot without text (I was reposting a compacted
>> version of the original screenshot, which our list manager wisely refused to
>> forward).  My original post was:
>>
>> I have attached a screenshot of calibre.  This is a very useful way to look
>> at books, though I'm sure many improvements could be suggested.  (Clicking
>> column headings sorts the grid.)
>
> Thanks for screens,
> Library could have fileformat-backends to parse all these books related
> properties from files to make calibre-like view more useful.
>
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Re: [IAEP] NYSCATE - Nov 2009 in Rochester NY

[Karlie Robinson]

We have a meeting tentatively scheduled for the afternoon of May 18.  
When we firm things up, I'll post a note at 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Math4Team/Meetings

At that point we'll have final projects from the RIT students and I 
should have more info on what's been made and/or what point things are 
at.  If needed I'll assign work teams to pick up where the RIT kids left 
off so we'll have activities in various forms of completion to show case. 

Some that will be ready for early tests and feedback, others that will 
be very rough around the edges. 

~Karlie

Caroline Meeks wrote:
> Hi Karlie,
>
> Walter and I are doing a talk at a similar show MassCUE (computer 
> using educators) Oct 28-29th. I think we are just signed up for a 1 
> hour talk.
>
> We will be doing 9 hours over 3 days of professional development using 
> an existing computer lab and SoaS in August in Worchester, MA.
>
> If you do a hands on session you could have people bring a laptop and 
> use SoaS.
>
> We should work together to create a 3-hour curriculum on using Sugar 
> in a math curriculum highlighting some of the results of your 4th 
> grade math project.  It would be great to take teachers through 
> examples of activities already aligned with curriculum standards to 
> making their own activities.
>
> What is the time frame on the 4th grade project?  When would be a good 
> time to look at results?
>
> Thanks!
> Caroline
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Karlie Robinson 
> mailto:karlie_robin...@webpath.net>> wrote:
>
> Good afternoon everyone.
> Charles Profitt has me thinking a lot about he New York State
> Association for Computers and Technologies in Education Trade show in
> Rochester NY, November 22-24, 2009.  As Chas explains, if technology
> isn't pitched at NYSCATE, it won't even be on the radar for
> districts in
> NY State.
> While I could complete the RFP for a 1 hour talk, I'd like to do
> something spectacular if we could.
> So would anyone like to come to Rochester with your XOs and help
> lead a
> 3 or 6 hour hands on session?  If so, what should we present for 3
> hours?
> I need ideas!
>
> Thanks in advance for your help,
> Karlie
>
>
>
> links
>
> Past presentations:
> http://nyscate.wikispaces.com/1-Hour+Sessions+2008
>
> Submit a presentation (RFP)
> http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=361
>
> General Information:
> http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=321
>
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Re: [IAEP] NYSCATE - Nov 2009 in Rochester NY

[Caroline Meeks]

Hi Karlie,

Walter and I are doing a talk at a similar show MassCUE (computer using
educators) Oct 28-29th. I think we are just signed up for a 1 hour talk.

We will be doing 9 hours over 3 days of professional development using an
existing computer lab and SoaS in August in Worchester, MA.

If you do a hands on session you could have people bring a laptop and use
SoaS.

We should work together to create a 3-hour curriculum on using Sugar in a
math curriculum highlighting some of the results of your 4th grade math
project.  It would be great to take teachers through examples of activities
already aligned with curriculum standards to making their own activities.

What is the time frame on the 4th grade project?  When would be a good time
to look at results?

Thanks!
Caroline

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Karlie Robinson <
karlie_robin...@webpath.net> wrote:

> Good afternoon everyone.
> Charles Profitt has me thinking a lot about he New York State
> Association for Computers and Technologies in Education Trade show in
> Rochester NY, November 22-24, 2009.  As Chas explains, if technology
> isn't pitched at NYSCATE, it won't even be on the radar for districts in
> NY State.
> While I could complete the RFP for a 1 hour talk, I'd like to do
> something spectacular if we could.
> So would anyone like to come to Rochester with your XOs and help lead a
> 3 or 6 hour hands on session?  If so, what should we present for 3 hours?
> I need ideas!
>
> Thanks in advance for your help,
> Karlie
>
>
>
> links
>
> Past presentations:
> http://nyscate.wikispaces.com/1-Hour+Sessions+2008
>
> Submit a presentation (RFP)
> http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=361
>
> General Information:
> http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=321
>
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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[Aleksey Lim]

On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 09:41:01AM -0700, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote:
> Sorry for posting the screenshot without text (I was reposting a compacted
> version of the original screenshot, which our list manager wisely refused to
> forward).  My original post was:
> 
> I have attached a screenshot of calibre.  This is a very useful way to look
> at books, though I'm sure many improvements could be suggested.  (Clicking
> column headings sorts the grid.)

Thanks for screens,
Library could have fileformat-backends to parse all these books related
properties from files to make calibre-like view more useful.

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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[James Simmons]

Aleksey,

Thanks, the .svg file helped.

James Simmons


Aleksey Lim wrote:

On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 10:14:06AM -0500, James Simmons wrote:
  

Aleksey,

I read your Library document and the one linked to it on Unified  
Objects.  This sounds like quite an ambitious project.  I would agree  
with Tomeu that some kind of UI mockup would be a good idea.  I've been  
programming for a living for over 30 years and reading your description  
I finally have some idea of what my end users must go through.  It sure  
sounds useful, but some mocked up screen shots would help explain the  
idea and sell it.  Even a back of the napkin effort like Tomeu linked to  
would be better than nothing.



well, for its a very plane and simple idea
http://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/library.svg

  


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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[Carol Farlow Lerche]

Sorry for posting the screenshot without text (I was reposting a compacted
version of the original screenshot, which our list manager wisely refused to
forward).  My original post was:

I have attached a screenshot of calibre.  This is a very useful way to look
at books, though I'm sure many improvements could be suggested.  (Clicking
column headings sorts the grid.)
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[IAEP] Fwd: NYSCATE - Nov 2009 in Rochester NY

[Sean DALY]

cross-posting to Marketing


-- Forwarded message --
From: Karlie Robinson 
Date: Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Subject: [IAEP] NYSCATE - Nov 2009 in Rochester NY
To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org


Good afternoon everyone.
Charles Profitt has me thinking a lot about he New York State
Association for Computers and Technologies in Education Trade show in
Rochester NY, November 22-24, 2009.  As Chas explains, if technology
isn't pitched at NYSCATE, it won't even be on the radar for districts in
NY State.
While I could complete the RFP for a 1 hour talk, I'd like to do
something spectacular if we could.
So would anyone like to come to Rochester with your XOs and help lead a
3 or 6 hour hands on session?  If so, what should we present for 3 hours?
I need ideas!

Thanks in advance for your help,
Karlie



links

Past presentations:
http://nyscate.wikispaces.com/1-Hour+Sessions+2008

Submit a presentation (RFP)
http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=361

General Information:
http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=321


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[IAEP] NYSCATE - Nov 2009 in Rochester NY

[Karlie Robinson]

Good afternoon everyone.
Charles Profitt has me thinking a lot about he New York State 
Association for Computers and Technologies in Education Trade show in 
Rochester NY, November 22-24, 2009.  As Chas explains, if technology 
isn't pitched at NYSCATE, it won't even be on the radar for districts in 
NY State.
While I could complete the RFP for a 1 hour talk, I'd like to do 
something spectacular if we could.
So would anyone like to come to Rochester with your XOs and help lead a 
3 or 6 hour hands on session?  If so, what should we present for 3 hours?
I need ideas!

Thanks in advance for your help,
Karlie



links

Past presentations:
http://nyscate.wikispaces.com/1-Hour+Sessions+2008

Submit a presentation (RFP)
http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=361

General Information:
http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=321


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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[Aleksey Lim]

On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 10:14:06AM -0500, James Simmons wrote:
> Aleksey,
>
> I read your Library document and the one linked to it on Unified  
> Objects.  This sounds like quite an ambitious project.  I would agree  
> with Tomeu that some kind of UI mockup would be a good idea.  I've been  
> programming for a living for over 30 years and reading your description  
> I finally have some idea of what my end users must go through.  It sure  
> sounds useful, but some mocked up screen shots would help explain the  
> idea and sell it.  Even a back of the napkin effort like Tomeu linked to  
> would be better than nothing.

well, for its a very plane and simple idea
http://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/library.svg

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Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

[James Simmons]

Aleksey,

I read your Library document and the one linked to it on Unified 
Objects.  This sounds like quite an ambitious project.  I would agree 
with Tomeu that some kind of UI mockup would be a good idea.  I've been 
programming for a living for over 30 years and reading your description 
I finally have some idea of what my end users must go through.  It sure 
sounds useful, but some mocked up screen shots would help explain the 
idea and sell it.  Even a back of the napkin effort like Tomeu linked to 
would be better than nothing.

James Simmons

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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Language Learning Courseware

[Carol Farlow Lerche]

SourceForge.net: synphony » home 

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Tomeu Vizoso  wrote:

> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 03:01, Seth Woodworth 
> wrote:
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Neal Scogin 
> > Date: Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:36 PM
> > Subject: [support-gang] Language Learning Courseware
> > To: Laptop Support 
> >
> > I am developing courseware (a complete methodology) that utilizes Sugar
> > (primarily the collaboration - mesh networking features) to learn
> > languages.  I have recently found someone to help me with Arabic and so
> now
> > I am working on Arabic-English and Spanish-English.  I am interested in
> > using the International Phonetic Alphabet for some of the work.
> >
> > I would like to have some software that can evaluate spoken language to
> > check for pronunciation.  When I purchased some Spanish learning software
> > years ago that was one of the features.  Obviously, I am looking for open
> > source software.
> >
> > In addition, any advice on software tools for the courseware will be
> > appreciated.
>
> Hi Neal,
>
> this sounds like an awesome project. I have found the following
> regarding pronunciation evaluation:
>
>
> https://www.stanford.edu/group/opensource/cgi-bin/wiki/index.php?title=(un)Conference_2008_Notes:_SPHINX_II
>
>
> http://www.google.cz/search?q=related:www.meraka.org.za/pubs/JACBadenhorst.pdf
>
> http://www.meraka.org.za/pubs/JACBadenhorst.pdf
>
> Hope that helps and feel free to ask any other questions here in IAEP
> or in sugar-devel: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
>
> Regards,
>
> Tomeu
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Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] OLPC in Kindergarten

[Maria Droujkova]

Caroline,

I am not in touch with them, and I probably should be. I think they
will be at a summer meeting in Washington I plan to attend. Are there
RIT people in this email group?

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Caroline Meeks  wrote:
> Hi Maria,
>
> Are you in touch with the 4th grade math project out of RIT?
>
> Thanks!
> Caroline
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Maria Droujkova 
> wrote:
>>
>> My company has developed some software prototypes for early algebra
>> that could work for 4-6 year olds. I would be interested in adopting
>> these ideas for OLPC, but I'd need some collaborators for that.
>



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Make math your own, to make your own math.

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Re: [IAEP] educational brew

[Maria Droujkova]

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:03 AM, Albert Cahalan  wrote:
>
> To benefit from a given lesson, one must master any prerequisites.

The good news is that as time goes on, people (slowly) develop ways to
help kids acquire prerequisites within learning new topics. For
example, you can build lessons about proportionality on
multiplication, which you can build on addition, which you can build
on counting. Alternatively, you can work with unfair sharing,
growth/shadows/perspective and other similarity, or intensive unit
(e.g. speed) metaphors directly, incorporating development of
multiplicative reasoning and its coordination with additive reasoning
into this work. As the culture progresses, math gets more and more
"packed," prerequisites and all.

I found Bill's non-universals summary to be quite useful in thinking
about these issues, especially the "similarities over differences"
part http://learningevolves.wikispaces.com/nonUniversals As we figure
out to help kids work with similarities in deeper ways, and as we
uncover better metaphors for similarities, prerequisites get subsumed
into other topics.

-- 
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Re: [IAEP] versus, not

[Kathy Pusztavari]

Bill, there is a difference between direct instruction and Direct
Instruction.  The latter (big D big I) is usually based on SRA's products
and outlined in the Direct Instruction Rubric.  Direct instruction (little d
little i) is usually a general set of guidelines teachers use to directly
instruction - to be a sage on the stage, to teach directly, to teach first
then...
 
I am only frustrated by SRA themselves.  The products are great and would be
extremely useful in teaching but they have a copyright stranglehold.  If
only I was an attorney and knew how to legally get around that  Or if I
could find the millions (billions?) to buy it for public domain use.  I'm
telling you, people would have a fountain of curriculum they could use,
morph, etc.
 
 
-Kathy

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[mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Bill Kerr
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:47 PM
To: Kathy Pusztavari
Cc: iaep
Subject: Re: [IAEP] versus, not


Kathy,

I haven't read the books you cite but I do as a teacher frequently use
direct instruction.  That was strongly implied in my initial post.
Nevertheless, I'm sure I could do it better. When I read your response my
first thought was that you had not read my post carefully.

btw this discussion does mirror an earlier one b/w Patrick Suppes and
Seymour Papert - well covered in Papert's 'The Childrens Machine' and
Cynthia Solomon's 'Computer Environments for Children' 

Both Suppes and Papert argued that computers could improve education but in
different ways. Cynthia Solomon found that there was a greater need for
direct instruction approaches in disadvantaged areas. But that did not make
her a DI only advocate. My own experience in teaching in disadvantaged
schools for the past dozen years is consistent with that.


On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Kathy Pusztavari 
wrote:


"eg. I would see direct instruction as a must for autistic children but
don't see that it follows as a general model for all education "
 
The problem is that at least 20% of our kids in the US qualify as either
special ed or learning disabled in some form.  So you would be leaving out
about 20% of the population (especially when teaching reading and math).
 
Math can be improved greatly through Direct Instruction.  If you have not
taught Connecting Math Concepts and other non-DI curriculum, I would like to
know why you would say such a thing.  DI would make most, if not all kids
LIKE math at the early levels (Kindergarten - 8th grade).  It makes them
succeed because it is mastery based.  If you want to see brilliant
curriculum development, you should look at SRA DISTAR I & II, Connecting
Math Concepts (A-F) and Essentials for Algebra.  
 
-Kathy

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[mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Bill Kerr
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 5:21 PM
To: Walter Bender
Cc: iaep; Sugar-dev Devel; community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: [IAEP] versus, not


On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Walter Bender 
wrote:


===Sugar Digest===

I encourage you to join two threads on the Education List this week:
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-April/005382.html, which
has boiled down to an instruction vs construction debate; and
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-April/005342.html, which
has boiled down to a debate of catering to local culture vs the
Enlightenment. I encourage you to join these discussions.


Agree that these are important discussions 

Need to be careful about the use of the versus depiction of these
discussions IMO, this tempting shorthand can create the wrong impression

eg. I would see direct instruction as a must for autistic children but don't
see that it follows as a general model for all education (special needs are
special) or that we should even think it is possible to have a correct
general model. I don't think there is one and good teachers swap between
multiple models all the time.

no one on this list has argued overtly against  "the enlightenment" or that
local culture ought not to be taken into account, eg. Ties said "think
practical", the response was of the nature that our context demands we do 

however, I do think the roll back of enlightenment principles is not well
understood (http://learningevolves.wikispaces.com/nonUniversals) and that a
better understanding might persuade more people of the need to keep
searching and struggling for different ways to go against some of  the tide
of local culture - there is a recent interesting comment thread on mark
guzdial's blog which is worth reading from this point of view
http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNK3F4TMBURELZZK 




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Re: [IAEP] educational brew

[Kathy Pusztavari]

"You could set up '4th grade math for Massachusetts' as a list of things to
master. It's quite similar to setting up a Makefile with a target that
exists purely to have a list of prerequisites." 

Albert - that is exactly what I was referring to.  A set of curriculum to
get you started but a good teacher could then go in and adapt the files or
make file for their standards (or find a local nerd to help).  I referred to
Turtle Typing.  Being a linux numbskull, I accidentally ran the MAKEFILE and
found out that it seeds your lessons.  Honestly, I had heard of MAKEFILE but
I didn't know what it did.  I threw those lessons into a temp folder and
replaced them all with my lessons.  I'm pretty good at cut and paste so the
5 lessons became 30 lessons and I only got started!  The lessons were
.lesson files written in python format so you have to figure out what format
and data the file needs to run the program the way you want.  I'll have to
be honest, when I saw Turtle Typing - that is when I figured out how
powerful activities can be for sugar.  I was able to use sugar to actually
do something important that - honestly - no other program could do.  Teach
typing at a level my son could actually succeed.

I might be slow but I get there eventually.

-Kathy
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Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:04 AM
To: ka...@kathyandcalvin.com; costello.ro...@edumail.vic.gov.au; Bill Kerr;
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Subject: Re: [IAEP] educational brew

Costello, Rob R writes:

> most teachers that i know want to know that any 'innovation'
> 'addresses the curriculum'
...
> but this won't overturn the inertia in traditional curriculum content

To a teacher, is curriculum the raw state/national standard or is it instead
the content of the particular textbook that the school uses?

In any case, you're up against a compatibility issue. Students will
transfer, sometimes during the school year, and hopefully graduate.
An oddball school does a disservice to the students.

> for example i can see no maths curriculum in the world (i've been 
> looking at lots of them in detail recently) that is doing much more 
> than including a few references to recursion or iteration...
> (there was more 'programming' in my year 12 course in 1985)

Which other math would you eliminate to make room for this, and what will
happen to the students if they transfer or graduate without knowing that
other math?

BTW, though I like computer science too, this stuff isn't that useful.

> i also fully agree with Kathy that personalisation can mean software 
> intelligently adapts the sequence of lessons...
> i've seen that in action as well

I've been thinking about this. It's really valuable, though not so easy to
implement. Let's take 4th grade math as an example:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Math4Team/Resources/Curriculum_Chart

Suppose you wrote up lessons for all those. You'd get a lot of overlap with
the California standard, the Iowa standard, etc.
The overlap becomes severe if you add the rest of the grades.
Imagine having lessons to cover all standards.

To benefit from a given lesson, one must master any prerequisites.
This should remind you of building software with the "make" program or
perhaps installing software from RPM packages. Leaving aside the minor issue
of review, there is no point to presenting students with old lessons.
Leaving aside the minor issue of "testing out", there is no point to
presenting students with lessons that they have not prepared for.

You could set up "4th grade math for Massachusetts" as a list of things to
master. It's quite similar to setting up a Makefile with a target that
exists purely to have a list of prerequisites.
This target becomes a goal to reach. Once the goal is chosen, the software
supplies lessons as required to reach it. When more than one lesson would be
appropriate, allowing student choice could help to keep the student in a
good mood for learning.

Sadly, a real-world system would also need to provide distraction for the
students who are at risk for completing the grade before the end of the
year. Traditional schools don't tolerate that well.

> i know traditional curriculum can get suffocating and dry ..

Of course, dealing with "suffocating and dry" stuff is a valuable life
skill. :-/ Sitting down to slog through something boring is not easy for
many people.
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Re: [IAEP] educational brew

[Kathy Pusztavari]

I think that is a great point, Maria.  The homeschool community, especially
in the US (that I know of), are great at field testing things.  They are a
resource that should not be overlooked as they are able to make use of new
innovation quicker and are unable to afford to be as picky.  They tend to
make use of free quality programs off the internet.

-Kathy 

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[mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Maria Droujkova
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:43 AM
To: Bill Kerr
Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; Costello,Rob R
Subject: Re: [IAEP] educational brew

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Bill Kerr  wrote:
> The other thing I should have said about rob's post but didn't was 
> that I pretty much agree with all of it as a description of the 
> reality we face, ie. my experiences of being an innovative teacher are 
> similar enough to what rob describes as to make it pointless to 
> quibble about the differences
>
> my support for the continuation of widespread unreasonable behaviour 
> (in the xo tradition) is based on acceptance of that reality

In my experience, the homeschool community provides a nice space for
meaningfully unreasonable behavior. Especially unschoolers.

Also, consider research restrictions. It takes from several months to half a
year in my county to get all the necessary permissions for an educational
study in public schools, whereas it only takes the internal IRB approval to
work with homescholers.

Families and local communities should not be overlooked as powerful agents
of change.

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Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] OLPC in Kindergarten

[Caroline Meeks]

Hi Maria,

Are you in touch with the 4th grade math project out of RIT?

Thanks!
Caroline

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Maria Droujkova wrote:

> My company has developed some software prototypes for early algebra
> that could work for 4-6 year olds. I would be interested in adopting
> these ideas for OLPC, but I'd need some collaborators for that.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Christoph Derndorfer
> >  wrote:
> >> Hola Alejandro,
> >>
> >> I'm currently not aware of any other OLPC or Sugar projects working with
> >> children at that age. Most pilots and deployments currently seem to be
> >> focused on primary-school children (age 6 to 10).
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> MariaD
>
> Make math your own, to make your own math.
>
> http://www.naturalmath.com social math site
> http://www.phenixsolutions.com empowering our innovations
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[IAEP] Introduction

[Basil Mohamed Gohar]

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Hello everyone!

/(apologies for more-or-less plagiarizing my fourthgrademaths mailing
list introduction)/

My name is Basil Mohamed Gohar, and I'm an avid Fedora & free-software
user.  I am also very interested in free-as-in-freedom educational
resources due to my deep dedication & advocacy of parental homeschooling
of children.

I was directed to this list by tomeu on #sugar at irc.freenode.net due
to my expressed interest in free curriculum & educational resources.  I
apologize in advance for not yet being up-to-speed on the true nature of
the project or the archives, which I intend to peruse to get a better
feel for the nature of this list & its subscribers.

I'm very happy to see an organized effort being made around free & open
teaching methods, techniques, resources, or whatever else may be
relevant to making it easier for parents to teach their own children.

I'm looking forward to involving myself more in such efforts in the future.

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Re: [IAEP] educational brew

[Maria Droujkova]

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Bill Kerr  wrote:
> The other thing I should have said about rob's post but didn't was that I
> pretty much agree with all of it as a description of the reality we face,
> ie. my experiences of being an innovative teacher are similar enough to what
> rob describes as to make it pointless to quibble about the differences
>
> my support for the continuation of widespread unreasonable behaviour (in the
> xo tradition) is based on acceptance of that reality

In my experience, the homeschool community provides a nice space for
meaningfully unreasonable behavior. Especially unschoolers.

Also, consider research restrictions. It takes from several months to
half a year in my county to get all the necessary permissions for an
educational study in public schools, whereas it only takes the
internal IRB approval to work with homescholers.

Families and local communities should not be overlooked as powerful
agents of change.

-- 
Cheers,
MariaD

Make math your own, to make your own math.

http://www.naturalmath.com social math site
http://groups.google.com/group/naturalmath our email group
http://www.phenixsolutions.com empowering our innovations
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar on Fedora?

[sankarshan]

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Ashar Iqbal  wrote:

> Is there a Sugar Fedora spin that I can download? I am sure I saw a torrent
> but can't seem to find it again. If not, then what would be the easiest way
> of getting  Sugar  running on a variety of old machines (no booting off USB,
> just CDs)?

If you have a standard installation of Fedora, you could try
installing the Sugar Desktop Environment. The other options include
Sugar on a Stick (SoaS)


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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: [bytesforall_readers] Science education (India)

[sankarshan]

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Edward Cherlin  wrote:
> Now that India says it will buy 250,000 XOs, we need to involve
> education NGOs and others there.

I haven't seen/read more details than available at

and, 
It would perhaps be prudent to assess the where and what of the XO
purchase and distribution before ramping up the NGOs to a state of
readiness.


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Re: [IAEP] educational brew

[Albert Cahalan]

Costello, Rob R writes:

> most teachers that i know want to know that any 'innovation'
> 'addresses the curriculum'
...
> but this won't overturn the inertia in traditional curriculum content

To a teacher, is curriculum the raw state/national standard or is it
instead the content of the particular textbook that the school uses?

In any case, you're up against a compatibility issue. Students will
transfer, sometimes during the school year, and hopefully graduate.
An oddball school does a disservice to the students.

> for example i can see no maths curriculum in the world (i've been
> looking at lots of them in detail recently) that is doing much
> more than including a few references to recursion or iteration...
> (there was more 'programming' in my year 12 course in 1985)

Which other math would you eliminate to make room for this,
and what will happen to the students if they transfer or graduate
without knowing that other math?

BTW, though I like computer science too, this stuff isn't that useful.

> i also fully agree with Kathy that personalisation can mean
> software intelligently adapts the sequence of lessons...
> i've seen that in action as well

I've been thinking about this. It's really valuable, though not
so easy to implement. Let's take 4th grade math as an example:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Math4Team/Resources/Curriculum_Chart

Suppose you wrote up lessons for all those. You'd get a lot of
overlap with the California standard, the Iowa standard, etc.
The overlap becomes severe if you add the rest of the grades.
Imagine having lessons to cover all standards.

To benefit from a given lesson, one must master any prerequisites.
This should remind you of building software with the "make" program
or perhaps installing software from RPM packages. Leaving aside the
minor issue of review, there is no point to presenting students with
old lessons. Leaving aside the minor issue of "testing out", there
is no point to presenting students with lessons that they have not
prepared for.

You could set up "4th grade math for Massachusetts" as a list of
things to master. It's quite similar to setting up a Makefile with
a target that exists purely to have a list of prerequisites.
This target becomes a goal to reach. Once the goal is chosen, the
software supplies lessons as required to reach it. When more than
one lesson would be appropriate, allowing student choice could help
to keep the student in a good mood for learning.

Sadly, a real-world system would also need to provide distraction
for the students who are at risk for completing the grade before
the end of the year. Traditional schools don't tolerate that well.

> i know traditional curriculum can get suffocating and dry ..

Of course, dealing with "suffocating and dry" stuff is a valuable
life skill. :-/ Sitting down to slog through something boring is
not easy for many people.
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] versus, not

[Martin Langhoff]

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 3:03 AM, Walter Bender  wrote:
> Fair enough. I agree that *most* people on the list agree that there
> is not just one right way. And to use a metaphor that has been
> oft-spoken in the US news of late, Sugar Labs has to have a "big
> tent."
>
> Sugar itself has affordances that can be used in support of many
> educational approaches and virtually any content area.

Completely for the big tent, and wide ranging use models. It also
means I have to swallow hard when people use things I build in ways
that I consider... not particularly good. You might hear me mention
that "that's a practise that I don't emphasize" ;-)

cheers,




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