Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar as a Mac Ap?
The question is what you refer to when you talk about Sugar. The concept of an app is similar to the concept of an Activity in Sugar. If you want to bring educational material to the ipad you have to look at specific Apps like 'Move the turtle' which is similar to Turtle Art. 'garageband' is another one interesting for older kids. Regards, Simon Am 13.06.2012 um 07:50 schrieb Steven Thompson steven_sen...@yahoo.com: Even just in English in Japan could help kids. The common denomenator for jhs and hs kids is an iPhone or android and the iPad at home...much more so than buying an Intel Classmate or having a hope of getting an XO. It's not about price or energy requirements here, its about good education for kids. Can we get sugar as a Mac Ap at the Ap Store? From: Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com; To: Steven Thompson steven_sen...@yahoo.com; Cc: Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com; community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar as a Mac Ap? Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 1:10:09 AM On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Steven Thompson steven_sen...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you all in this community for your creative dedication. I am considering using sugar for my 4 year old daughter and her friends. Parents have access to iPads. We are in Osaka Japan. Can Sugar be used on an iPad? If not does anyone have any suggestions for getting a group if Japanese kids involved? The benefit of the tablet us that very strong cases can be easily purchased for kid use. Why buy an Intel Classmate when we already have iPads lying around! All suggestions welcome, Steven Dear Steven, One of the first things that is needed is more complete Japanese localization. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/ja/ cjl Sugar Labs Translation Team Coordinator ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar as a Mac Ap?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Steven Thompson steven_sen...@yahoo.comwrote: Thank you for your quick response Simon. I could just use ipads with educational Aps but I too like using something that let kids get their hands dirty. Get an Intel Classmate or might there be hope of getting say, 10 XOs to do a research project in Japan even. I could do this. Steven 10 XOs is probably more than you would be able to get, but if you have a reasonable proposal, you can apply to the Contributor's program. You'd also need a US address to ship to as OLPC doesn't do international shipping for CP anymore after too many problems with customs. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Contributors_program Working on translations into Japanese and testing of them is possibly a basis for a contributor's project proposal, or at least a valued ancillary contribution of another type of proposal that would improve the ROI. cjl Sugar Labs Translation Team Coordinator ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar as a Mac Ap?
On 2012-06-13, at 07:50, Steven Thompson wrote: Even just in English in Japan could help kids. The common denomenator for jhs and hs kids is an iPhone or android and the iPad at home...much more so than buying an Intel Classmate or having a hope of getting an XO. Sugar can be installed on any PC, not just Classmates or XOs. It's not about price or energy requirements here, its about good education for kids. Can we get sugar as a Mac Ap at the Ap Store? I think Sugar-on-a-Stick (SoaS) can be plugged into recent Macs and works. The iPad does not run Mac apps. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar as a Mac Ap?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 2012-06-13, at 07:50, Steven Thompson wrote: Even just in English in Japan could help kids. The common denomenator for jhs and hs kids is an iPhone or android and the iPad at home...much more so than buying an Intel Classmate or having a hope of getting an XO. Sugar can be installed on any PC, not just Classmates or XOs. It's not about price or energy requirements here, its about good education for kids. Can we get sugar as a Mac Ap at the Ap Store? I think Sugar-on-a-Stick (SoaS) can be plugged into recent Macs and works. You've always been able to plug SoaS into x86 Macs and have it work (just like any Linux distro), the latest version adds much better support for it and there's been specific interest in making it work properly with uEFI and all the Mac quirks. It's quite easy to use SoaS on a usb key on Macs and with something like VirtualBox you can run Sugar in a Window on Mac without too many issues. Sugar as an App on Mac is an interesting concept and with improving Mac support within GTK3 something like the Sugar in a Window concept we use for testing is quite conceivable once the Sugar port to GTK3 is complete, of course like everything it needs someone to step up and do the work. Peter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Sugar as a Mac Ap?
XO Activities as iOS or Android apps - sounds interesting. Is this do-able? I know there are lots of issues at the core of XO and Sugar mission and development. But there are also millions of kids with devices in their pockets who would benefit from technology supported learning. We are investigating BYOD (Bring Your Own Device) for use in the US. We haven't been able to get any interest in XOs. But the idea that each kid with their own pocket learning device - includes iTouch with wifi only, is getting a lot of attention. It's an education project too, and one that is desperately needed to help bridge the widening educational divide in the US. Please think about it. ..vt ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar as a Mac Ap?
Hello Valerie! Am 13.06.2012 um 12:33 schrieb Valerie Taylor vtay...@gmail.com: XO Activities as iOS or Android apps - sounds interesting. Is this do-able? I know there are lots of issues at the core of XO and Sugar mission and development. But there are also millions of kids with devices in their pockets who would benefit from technology supported learning. We are investigating BYOD (Bring Your Own Device) for use in the US. We haven't been able to get any interest in XOs. But the idea that each kid with their own pocket learning device - includes iTouch with wifi only, is getting a lot of attention. It's an education project too, and one that is desperately needed to help bridge the widening educational divide in the US. Please think about it. ..vt ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep I thought about that too. For my side decided to implement activities as HTML5/CSS3/Javascript applications. It is a powerfull combination producable and useable on nearly any device without any preconditions - beside an actual webbrowser. For iOS an Android without pain wrappable to a local app even with access to hardware like accelerometer, camera, mic ... Additionally there are thousands of really nice webapps out there for our kids. As some kind of starting point I did a simple kids webbrowser for iOS maybe you would like to have a look on it in iTunes App Store it is called: Kiosk Lite. Regards, Raffael ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar as a Mac Ap?
Thanks Raffael. Seems pretty useful after a quick look. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kiosk-pro-lite/id409906264?mt=8 http://www.ipadkiosks.com/ How hard would it be to make an iPhone version too? We are trying to get the bar as low as possible. We have kids and schools with very limited resources who see the possibilities. An old iPhone with a cracked screen ($8 on eBay) can still connect to wifi at school and in the public libraries as well as download wonderful free standalone apps. There are several easy to use tools to create custom webapps, too, so more educators can create and customize the learning experience. It isn't Sugar or XO but it does allow a large population of kids in the US to have most of the advantages of the OLPC vision. As some kind of starting point I did a simple kids webbrowser for iOS maybe you would like to have a look on it in iTunes App Store it is called: Kiosk Lite. Regards, Raffael ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar as a Mac Ap?
Hello Valerie! Am 13.06.2012 um 16:42 schrieb Valerie Taylor vtay...@gmail.com: Thanks Raffael. Seems pretty useful after a quick look. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kiosk-pro-lite/id409906264?mt=8 http://www.ipadkiosks.com/ That is unfortunately wrong. The correct Link is Sehen Sie sich diese App im App Store an: [image: Cover Art]http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/kiosk-lite/id512567266?mt=8ls=1 Kiosk Lite Raffael Reichelt Kategorie: Bildung Aktualisiert: 21.05.2012 http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/kiosk-lite/id512567266?mt=8ls=1 http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/kiosk-lite/id512567266?mt=8ls=1 iTunes für Mac und Windows http://www.apple.com/de/itunes/download/Hinweis: Sie wurden nicht in einen E-Mail-Verteiler aufgenommen. Copyright © 2012 iTunes S.à r.l. Alle Rechte vorbehaltenhttp://www.apple.com/de/legal/ Sorry it is only the link to german store but I am on travel and have only an iPad ;-) How hard would it be to make an iPhone version too? We are trying to get the bar as low as possible. We have kids and schools with very limited resources who see the possibilities. An old iPhone with a cracked screen ($8 on eBay) can still connect to wifi at school and in the public libraries as well as download wonderful free standalone apps. This app should work with iPhone beginning from iOS 3.2 There are several easy to use tools to create custom webapps, too, so more educators can create and customize the learning experience. Exactly. And as I discussed with Tony at LinuxTag: It would be a great Experience for the Kids to do their own webapps. Regards, Raffael ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar as a Mac Ap?
Hello Sugar Friends: Iphone is a common denominator. Android too. Ipad next up and coming. These can be education tools like never before. This could make Sugar oriented learning-play more widely used. I want it for my four year old daughter, Juli. Steven (in Japan) Steven Thompson steven_sen...@yahoo.com From: Valerie Taylor vtay...@gmail.com To: Raffael Reichelt raffael.reich...@googlemail.com Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar as a Mac Ap? Thanks Raffael. Seems pretty useful after a quick look. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kiosk-pro-lite/id409906264?mt=8 http://www.ipadkiosks.com/ How hard would it be to make an iPhone version too? We are trying to get the bar as low as possible. We have kids and schools with very limited resources who see the possibilities. An old iPhone with a cracked screen ($8 on eBay) can still connect to wifi at school and in the public libraries as well as download wonderful free standalone apps. There are several easy to use tools to create custom webapps, too, so more educators can create and customize the learning experience. It isn't Sugar or XO but it does allow a large population of kids in the US to have most of the advantages of the OLPC vision. As some kind of starting point I did a simple kids webbrowser for iOS maybe you would like to have a look on it in iTunes App Store it is called: Kiosk Lite. Regards, Raffael ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar as a Mac Ap?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 2012-06-13, at 07:50, Steven Thompson wrote: Even just in English in Japan could help kids. The common denomenator for jhs and hs kids is an iPhone or android and the iPad at home...much more so than buying an Intel Classmate or having a hope of getting an XO. Sugar can be installed on any PC, not just Classmates or XOs. It's not about price or energy requirements here, its about good education for kids. Can we get sugar as a Mac Ap at the Ap Store? I think Sugar-on-a-Stick (SoaS) can be plugged into recent Macs and works. You've always been able to plug SoaS into x86 Macs and have it work (just like any Linux distro), the latest version adds much better support for it and there's been specific interest in making it work properly with uEFI and all the Mac quirks. It's quite easy to use SoaS on a usb key on Macs and with something like VirtualBox you can run Sugar in a Window on Mac without too many issues. Sugar as an App on Mac is an interesting concept and with improving Mac support within GTK3 something like the Sugar in a Window concept we use for testing is quite conceivable once the Sugar port to GTK3 is complete, of course like everything it needs someone to step up and do the work. Peter In the spirit of exploring interesting concepts that might stimulate new development, might someone explain the obstacles that prevent Sugar from running on an iPad, as well, discuss potential approaches to overcome those obstacles. For example, Etoys, an independent but significant component in Sugar, can be run on an iPad since June 2010, http://croquetweak.blogspot.com/2010/06/squeak-etoys-on-ipad.html http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/ipad/ Also with time, the current crop of iPads will become secondary devices as newer tablets are released. Folks will then be more willing to void warranties and experiment with the operating systems. --Fred ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar as a Mac Ap?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 2012-06-13, at 07:50, Steven Thompson wrote: Even just in English in Japan could help kids. The common denomenator for jhs and hs kids is an iPhone or android and the iPad at home...much more so than buying an Intel Classmate or having a hope of getting an XO. Sugar can be installed on any PC, not just Classmates or XOs. It's not about price or energy requirements here, its about good education for kids. Can we get sugar as a Mac Ap at the Ap Store? I think Sugar-on-a-Stick (SoaS) can be plugged into recent Macs and works. You've always been able to plug SoaS into x86 Macs and have it work (just like any Linux distro), the latest version adds much better support for it and there's been specific interest in making it work properly with uEFI and all the Mac quirks. It's quite easy to use SoaS on a usb key on Macs and with something like VirtualBox you can run Sugar in a Window on Mac without too many issues. Sugar as an App on Mac is an interesting concept and with improving Mac support within GTK3 something like the Sugar in a Window concept we use for testing is quite conceivable once the Sugar port to GTK3 is complete, of course like everything it needs someone to step up and do the work. Peter In the spirit of exploring interesting concepts that might stimulate new development, might someone explain the obstacles that prevent Sugar from running on an iPad, as well, discuss potential approaches to overcome those obstacles. For example, Etoys, an independent but significant component in Sugar, can be run on an iPad since June 2010, http://croquetweak.blogspot.com/2010/06/squeak-etoys-on-ipad.html http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/ipad/ Also with time, the current crop of iPads will become secondary devices as newer tablets are released. Folks will then be more willing to void warranties and experiment with the operating systems. --Fred Etoys runs in a virtual machine. Once that VM is ported to a new environment, Etoys will run. Sugar on the other hand is a desktop and collection of applications that require Linux and the Gnome toolkit (among other dependencies). Once a Linux VM with Gnome is running in an environment, the process of porting Sugar is *relatively* painless. So the question is: is there a Linux/Gnome VM for the iPad? iPhone? iWhatever? -walter ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar as a Mac Ap?
On 2012-06-13, at 18:42, Walter Bender wrote: Etoys runs in a virtual machine. Once that VM is ported to a new environment, Etoys will run. Sugar on the other hand is a desktop and collection of applications that require Linux and the Gnome toolkit (among other dependencies). Once a Linux VM with Gnome is running in an environment, the process of porting Sugar is *relatively* painless. So the question is: is there a Linux/Gnome VM for the iPad? iPhone? iWhatever? -walter Apple wouldn't allow a generic VM into their App Store. The only unrestricted environment on the iPad is the web browser. I think Sugar's open and collaborative philosophy is fundamentally incompatible with Apple's current developer guidelines. You could port single Sugar activities to the iPad, but since users would be prevented from changing them, Sugar's idea of learning by hacking would be lost. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
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