Re: [IAEP] Fwd: [schoolhealth] UNESCO's 2013/14 Education for All Report
I have problems with the link: http://www.schoolsandhealth.org/Shared%20Documents/Teaching%20and%20Learning%20-%20Achieving%20Quality%20for%20All.pdf PS: who uses lot of spaces in a URL ?? From: cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 09:55:44 -0500 To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: [IAEP] Fwd: [schoolhealth] UNESCO's 2013/14 Education for All Report FYI -- Forwarded message -- From: Broyd, Charlotte A A charlotte.br...@imperial.ac.uk Date: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 6:17 AM Subject: [schoolhealth] UNESCO's 2013/14 Education for All Report To: schoolhealth schoolhea...@imperial.ac.uk UNESCO's 11th Education for All Global Monitoring Report provides a timely update on progress countries are making towards the global education goals of 2000, placing education at the heart of the development agenda post 2015. With 57 million children still failing to learn because they are not at school the report calls on governments and donors to double their efforts to provide learning for all. · Click here to download the report. Charlotte Broyd Communications Officer Partnership for Child Development Department of Infectious Disease Epidemiology Imperial College London Tel: +44 (0)20 7594 2754 | Skype: charleybroyd www.schoolsandhealth.org | www.hgsf-global.org twitter.com/schoolshealth | twitter.com/HGSFglobal www.facebook.com/PartnershipforChildDevelopment | www.facebook.com/HomeGrownSchoolFeeding Join the SHN debate - Sign up to schoolhea...@imperial.ac.uk ___ schoolhealth mailing list schoolhea...@imperial.ac.uk https://mailman.ic.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/schoolhealth ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep inline: image003.jpg___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Turtle Art question
I don't understand the question.. have events when a sensor changes? From: gerald.ard...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:09:25 -0400 To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: [IAEP] Turtle Art question One of my students had a question about Turtle Art that I couldn't answer:is it possible to have a sensing event kick off a program instead of a user action? Thanks. Gerald ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] How to access USB
The change was made by Fedora, not OLPC. Seemed rather arbitrary to me as well... For me too. In Ubuntu 13.04 instead: /media/USB_NAME is: /media/user/USB_NAME I think that it's better than /run/media.. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] OLPC-SF February meeting
+1 That wiki entry is a bit old.. Now we don't use Arduino, we use the USB4Butia.USB4Butia can be home-made build with low cost materials [1]That means USB4Butia is a truly free (as in freedom) board [2] [1] http://www.fing.edu.uy/inco/proyectos/butia/mediawiki/index.php/USB4buti%C3%A1_tutorial [2] http://www.olpcnews.com/use_cases/technology/usb4butia_a_truly_free_as_in_freedom_input_output_board.html Regards! Alan Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:35:22 -0800 From: sve...@sfsu.edu To: adbor...@live.com CC: olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; grassro...@lists.laptop.org; noisebridge-disc...@lists.noisebridge.net; olpc...@lists.laptop.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] OLPC-SF February meeting I'll bring the Butia robot. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Robotics#Buti.C3.A1_Project Anybody from Noisebridge (cc'd) interested in joining? Cheers, Sameer On Feb 12, 2013 9:09 AM, Aaron Borden adbor...@live.com wrote: Hello, OLPC San Francisco will be hosting this month's meeting on Saturday, February 23rd, from 10AM - 1PM at the downtown SFSU campus, 835 Market Street, Room 553. Everyone is welcome to join us for our monthly meeting! We'll be discussing the latest in OLPC events and give updates on our local (and global) projects. There will be plenty of XO laptops with the latest builds to play around with, too. Please post with any additional agenda items. -- Aaron ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] video of XOs in the Amazon
A great story! From: w...@laptop.org Subject: video of XOs in the Amazon Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:07:14 -0500 To: de...@lists.laptop.org Wikipedia pointed me to this excerpt from an upcoming film, web. It shows kids with XOs in the Peruvian Amazon creating on Wikipedia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XPnH_rF9ksfeature=youtu.be Cheers, wad ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Factorisation visualisation was Sugar Digest 2013-01-25
To: sthom...@gosargon.com From: fors...@ozonline.com.au Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:44:51 +1100 CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: [IAEP] Factorisation visualisation was Sugar Digest 2013-01-25 http://www.datapointed.net/visualizations/math/factorization/animated-diagrams/ Beautiful, thanks for sharing. If anyone does code this up, please allow for stepping (rather than playing) and allow kids to enter numbers and factors, so they can guess and look for patterns. Or kids could create their own versions in Turtle Art or Etoys as part of a lesson. Hi Clunky but working in Turtle Art at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Turtle_Art_factors.ta Its limited to 3 factors, I couldn't see any way to have an arbitary number of factors without recursion and I couldn't see any way to get recursion in Turtle Art Good! I change the .ta to this automatic version that begins in 1 and continues.. see .ta attached.. Tony ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep Turtle_Art_factors_automatic.ta Description: Binary data ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Factorisation visualisation was Sugar Digest 2013-01-25
Slight improvement? Yes.. The big code is of Tony.. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-open] Healthcare - Potential Opportunity
And maybe in the sugar-devel you can obtain more ideas.. Or in IAEP.. From: alan...@hotmail.com To: andry...@gmail.com; olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 04:29:54 + Subject: Re: [Olpc-open] Healthcare - Potential Opportunity Hello, Maybe develop an activity to explain the parts of the eye.. There are some activitys called Conozco thatallow make simple question about an image.The usual uses: geography; where is the city where born ? And the answer, click on a city.The same code can be used to this activity with minor changes.An example of the geography use: I know America [1]Another use: health food Conozco Alimentos [2] Another idea: make a vision test. With random letters (to evite that the childrens memorize the letters)you put the XO to a some distance, and ask for the first line (0.2 or similar) and continues with smallletters. Regards! Alan [1] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4464[2] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4324 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:19:16 -0500 From: andry...@gmail.com To: olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org Subject: [Olpc-open] Healthcare - Potential Opportunity Hello, I'm new to this venue but am looking to contribute and/or determine if I might have some material that would benefit the community. I work for a healthcare company that specializes in vision and was wondering if there was any need for material on healthy vision or perhaps an interactive eye model to teach children about the different parts of the eye. It could be anything in this realm really - the sky is the limit. My company is constantly looking for ways to give back and if there was some interest in this I'd look to build a more robust case and inquire more deeply into whether the company would be willing to put some resources behind this. Is there anyone on this distribution list that would be able to point me in the right direction? -- AAA ___ Olpc-open mailing list olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-open ___ Olpc-open mailing list olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-open ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-open] Healthcare - Potential Opportunity
help detect color blindness, dyslexia and other common vision issue +1 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:53:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-open] Healthcare - Potential Opportunity From: sthom...@gosargon.com To: alan...@hotmail.com CC: andry...@gmail.com; olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org What would also, be good would be tests included in the activity to help detect color blindness, dyslexia and other common vision issues that affect kids ability to read/learn. My one son had a hard time learning to read and it took us a while to find a doctor who could diagnose the issue. Turns out he would occasionally see two fingers when we held up one and things would sometimes shake. He was bright otherwise so he had coping mechanisms, but it would have been good to catch this earlier, as there were a simple set of exercises that helped correct the issues and improve his reading. Stephen On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com wrote: And maybe in the sugar-devel you can obtain more ideas.. Or in IAEP.. From: alan...@hotmail.com To: andry...@gmail.com; olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 04:29:54 + Subject: Re: [Olpc-open] Healthcare - Potential Opportunity Hello, Maybe develop an activity to explain the parts of the eye.. There are some activitys called Conozco thatallow make simple question about an image. The usual uses: geography; where is the city where born ? And the answer, click on a city.The same code can be used to this activity with minor changes.An example of the geography use: I know America [1] Another use: health food Conozco Alimentos [2] Another idea: make a vision test. With random letters (to evite that the childrens memorize the letters)you put the XO to a some distance, and ask for the first line (0.2 or similar) and continues with small letters. Regards! Alan [1] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4464 [2] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4324 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:19:16 -0500 From: andry...@gmail.com To: olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org Subject: [Olpc-open] Healthcare - Potential Opportunity Hello, I'm new to this venue but am looking to contribute and/or determine if I might have some material that would benefit the community. I work for a healthcare company that specializes in vision and was wondering if there was any need for material on healthy vision or perhaps an interactive eye model to teach children about the different parts of the eye. It could be anything in this realm really - the sky is the limit. My company is constantly looking for ways to give back and if there was some interest in this I'd look to build a more robust case and inquire more deeply into whether the company would be willing to put some resources behind this. Is there anyone on this distribution list that would be able to point me in the right direction? -- AAA ___ Olpc-open mailing list olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-open ___ Olpc-open mailing list olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-open ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-open] Healthcare - Potential Opportunity
I'm not sure why, but I not like much Etoys (with all my respect to my namesake Alan Kay :-) I prefer a pure-python activity. For example, a first activity could be: I know the Eye and use asimilar image to this: (search: eye anatomy) External: (muscleds, etc) http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-x4oGiQWiUA/TMP2dRqClBI/AGY/PuehgCY8WJM/s1600/eye+anatomy+2.jpg And internal: http://www.floridaeyeclinic.com/images/aao-G04-large.jpg The first problem is obtain a good image (CC creative commons or similiar free license). Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:31:15 -0500 From: sthom...@gosargon.com To: andry...@gmail.com CC: olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org; alan...@hotmail.com; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-open] Healthcare - Potential Opportunity Alan, If you have the materials (images, test, knowledge, etc.) I would be happy to work with you to create some materials in Etoys that could help educate folks about the eye and more importantly detect vision problems and provide suggestions and resources on how to deal with them. If you send me some materials I can put something together in Etoys fairly quickly. It would be available to all OLPC XO's and because its Etoys, it can also run on Windows, Mac and Linux (with no code changes). If it works for both of us, we could put together some quick prototypes to help build a more robust case. Stephen On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: From: andry...@gmail.com To: olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org Subject: [Olpc-open] Healthcare - Potential Opportunity Hello, I'm new to this venue but am looking to contribute and/or determine if I might have some material that would benefit the community. I work for a healthcare company that specializes in vision and was wondering if there was any need for material on healthy vision or perhaps an interactive eye model to teach children about the different parts of the eye. It could be anything in this realm really - the sky is the limit. My company is constantly looking for ways to give back and if there was some interest in this I'd look to build a more robust case and inquire more deeply into whether the company would be willing to put some resources behind this. Is there anyone on this distribution list that would be able to point me in the right direction? I would suggest taking a look at the accumulated notes and links on these pages. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Vision_screening http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Visual_Acuity cjl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-open] Healthcare - Potential Opportunity
Thanks! Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 01:01:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [Olpc-open] [IAEP] Healthcare - Potential Opportunity From: moku...@sugarlabs.org To: alan...@hotmail.com CC: sthom...@gosargon.com; andry...@gmail.com; olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org For images of the eye under CC-BY-SA, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Eye On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm not sure why, but I not like much Etoys (with all my respect to my namesake Alan Kay :-) I prefer a pure-python activity. For example, a first activity could be: I know the Eye and use a similar image to this: (search: eye anatomy) External: (muscleds, etc) http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-x4oGiQWiUA/TMP2dRqClBI/AGY/PuehgCY8WJM/s1600/eye+anatomy+2.jpg And internal: http://www.floridaeyeclinic.com/images/aao-G04-large.jpg The first problem is obtain a good image (CC creative commons or similiar free license). Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:31:15 -0500 From: sthom...@gosargon.com To: andry...@gmail.com CC: olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org; alan...@hotmail.com; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-open] Healthcare - Potential Opportunity Alan, If you have the materials (images, test, knowledge, etc.) I would be happy to work with you to create some materials in Etoys that could help educate folks about the eye and more importantly detect vision problems and provide suggestions and resources on how to deal with them. If you send me some materials I can put something together in Etoys fairly quickly. It would be available to all OLPC XO's and because its Etoys, it can also run on Windows, Mac and Linux (with no code changes). If it works for both of us, we could put together some quick prototypes to help build a more robust case. Stephen On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: From: andry...@gmail.com To: olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org Subject: [Olpc-open] Healthcare - Potential Opportunity Hello, I'm new to this venue but am looking to contribute and/or determine if I might have some material that would benefit the community. I work for a healthcare company that specializes in vision and was wondering if there was any need for material on healthy vision or perhaps an interactive eye model to teach children about the different parts of the eye. It could be anything in this realm really - the sky is the limit. My company is constantly looking for ways to give back and if there was some interest in this I'd look to build a more robust case and inquire more deeply into whether the company would be willing to put some resources behind this. Is there anyone on this distribution list that would be able to point me in the right direction? I would suggest taking a look at the accumulated notes and links on these pages. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Vision_screening http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Visual_Acuity cjl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Olpc-open mailing list olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-open -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/निशब्दगर्ज/نشبدگرج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Replacing_Textbooks ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugarized binaries? was Re: users doing python in XOs
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:43:31 -0500 From: walter.ben...@gmail.com To: yamap...@gmail.com CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; li...@dcorking.com Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugarized binaries? was Re: users doing python in XOs On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Yama Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David, thanks Texas Instrument's MSP430 Launchpad. at $4.30 including shipping, it's probably the most affordable, bang-for-the-buck MCU/experimentation board combo ever. Etc., no need to go into a full blown advertisement :-) I have managed, with a few coughs and starts, to run it in several iterations of OLPC OS, using plain old XO-1 units. http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OLPC_MSP430_Install (due for some code revision) The /sudo/ problem we are facing is specific to Uruguay, where their benevolent administrators have blocked several features on the XOs OS I don't do Windows, thank you very much. (though UY is painting itself in the corner on that one also, by embracing NXT) FWIW, there is an NXT plugin for Turtle Art. No need to use Windows. An example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8HRbDLO7LM One button to up, one to down... Programmed in TurtleBlocks + Plugin Lego NxT Personally, I am more for the command line. My reasoning is that those, very few, able to take full benefit of working with microcontrollers are also the ones who can grock command line no problem, sort of a correlation between their personal attributes and potentials. More importantly, text based coding is Real World, and definitely not for everybody. I see that working for/with them is important, as it is those few the ones who might have the biggest individual impact in nation building, while their special and greater needs dismissed and potential for brilliance often lost in the name of Procrustean egalitarianism (standard Yamarant). Still, I am enormously impressed by things like this color follower, that uses the XO camera and processes data in Tortugarte, then directs the motors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nnc9Rn9GbY I see there is room for tile-based stuff, though for now there are deeper issues I have not yet solved... Thank you! On 12/03/2012 02:35 PM, David Corking wrote: Yama: Which model of microcontroller will you use? Which programmer/connector will you use? Yes, I think your mspdebug experience might be a 'user' and 'group' thing on the USB device, but it might be a kernel driver, which normally needs root access. If you use Windows on your netbooks one nice way to install the GNU toolchain to compile C programs is Red Hat's cygwin project: http://cygwin.com/ David p.s. Have you seen Physical Etoys? It is free tile scripting for microcontrollers, though I don't think an XO bundle has been made. Low ceiling, but interesting. http://tecnodacta.com.ar/gira/projects/physical-etoys/ Also Squeakbot and PhidgetLab http://www.planete-sciences.org/robot/boiteabots/ http://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/projects/phidgetlab/index.html ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] 13.1 ? and 12 ? Re: Sugar Digest 2012-11-30
If you use the parent directory, you can browse all files.. http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/ And think that the latest it's the annunced: http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/os15/ I'm wrong? Regards! Alan Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 12:07:20 -0600 From: yamap...@gmail.com CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: [Sugar-devel] 13.1 ? and 12 ? Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-11-30 questions: 1) Are there Release 13 files for testing on XO-1 I can try? As is of record, I am most concerned on how the msp430 toolkit will build. Significant issues with os 12 repositories... http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OLPC_XO-1 2) What is the role of these 31012 builds? are they meant as an official update? are they undergoing further testing? In short, should I point people to those instead of to the 21021? background: the link Walter offers (thanks!) http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/os13/ has only XO-4 files... while http://wiki.laptop.org/go/13.1.0#XO-1 would seem to indicate there are some XO-1 files somewhere Also, if I look for 12.1 files, here: http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/os12/xo-1/ they are named 31012 while http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/12.1.0#XO-1 points to 21021 ones BTW, the os14 directories /do/ have X0-1 files, but I guess that's trying timetravel :-) http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/os14/ thank you! On 11/30/2012 10:00 AM, Walter Bender wrote: snip 1. Simon Schampijer announced the release of Sugar 0.98. This is a major milestone for Sugar Labs as it is the first release that takes touch seriously. It also incorportates many improvements to the GTK3 port. The Sugar Developer Team deserves a resounding celebatory cheer of thanks for a their effort. Read the release notes here [1]. (Note that OLPC has been incorporating Sugar 0.98 in their 13.1 series of builds, available for download here [2] to run on XO hardware.) [2] http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Turtle Blocks question
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 14:18:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [IAEP] Turtle Blocks question From: walter.ben...@gmail.com To: gerald.ard...@gmail.com CC: alan...@hotmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; support-g...@laptop.org; davidson.i...@gmail.com; fors...@ozonline.com.au On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Walter, I have been testing it out this afternoon. It works really well. I only have one We Do here, so I can't test out if it sees different devices. There is one quirky thing. When the script is running a motor, the Stop icon disappears. Then, if you use ctrl-s to stop the script, the blocks disappear. You could just keep a motor=0 block around... I suppose I could auto-stop the motor when the program stops executing, but I think that might limit the utility somewhat. (The Stop Button is for the Turtle Art program, not the WeDo motor.) In the Nxt Plugin (and the Butia) I add the stop motors in the stop of the Turtle.When the robot is crazy and you want to stop it, the best way (beyond turn off) isclick on the stop button off the Turtle. The WeDo plugin have the stop motors function: when you click on the stopof the turtle, the WeDo motor is stopped?? And a question, how do you reverse the direction of the motor? Should reverse with a negative number. enjoy. -walter Thanks. Gerald On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com wrote: I think that you cannot check what sensor is connected.. Butia have hotplug and show instantly that a sensor is connect. Lego not have that, and the only check possible: get a value, if no gives errors, maybe there are a sensor of that type connected.. The usual approach would be to add a device input to the blocks... device 1, device 2, device 3 That can works, but I don't like it taking into consideration that you have put the port where each sensor/motor is connected. I think in a special block that sets the brick that you want to use. For example: - you have 2 bricks connected -if you want to: read color sensor from brick 1 in port 1 -turn motor in port b of brcik 2 with power 100 The code will be: select brick (1) read sensor (color, port 1) select brcik (2) turn motor (port b, 100) See that all the blocks no have changes, only uses the select brick to set in the system, which brick get the next functions. The important of this change: when you have only 1 brick, the code no have changes! Opinions? Regards! Alan From: gerald.ard...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:45:48 -0400 To: walter.ben...@gmail.com CC: alan...@hotmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; support-g...@laptop.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Turtle Blocks question Walter, Agreed. I am happy to continuing working with you on this. Gerald On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Walter, if we are crossing devices? Egon Spengler: Don't cross the streams. The usual approach would be to add a device input to the blocks... device 1, device 2, device 3... But also, I should do a better job of autodetecting which sensors are available. The whole thing should be more dynamic. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep Attached is a BETA version of a new WeDo plugin that supports multiple devices. It follows a schema similar to what Alan proposes above. I only have one device, so it is not tested for multiple devices, however, it seems to work for one device and includes a new feature which tests for devices before each start, rather than just at launch, so devices and be plugged in and unplugged without having to restart Turtle Art. Feedback greatly appreciated. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Turtle Blocks question
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:00:35 -0400 From: walter.ben...@gmail.com To: gerald.ard...@gmail.com CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; support-g...@laptop.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Turtle Blocks question On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the help last night on the Arduino plugin. I know what I need to do. And now, another question. I have been working with the plugin for We Do robots. The plugin is installed and the palette is where it is supposed to be. But, the We Do does not respond to the program. When I look at the Turtle Arts plugin page (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Turtle_Art/Plugins), I am directed to this link: https://github.com/itdaniher/WeDoMore/tree/master/udev to download directions for setting up permissions. However, there are two files there and I am not sure what to do with them. 99-lego-WeDo.rules are the rules and install_driver.sh is the script to run to install them. The file 99-lego-WeDo.rules needs to be in: /etc/udev/rules.d (in the most linux versions)In the new Fedora changes for: /etc/udev... The Sugar 0.94? and newest have that rule included.I know that in Sugar 0.96 the rule is in place.. -walter I would appreciate any help you can provide. Thanks. Gerald On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Walter, Thanks for the amazingly quick response. I see TurtleBot. I would like to learn how to create my own spin, so please do walk me through it. The easiest thing to do is to: (1) clone the TA project* (2) load the plugins you are interested in (3) run setup.py dist_xo to generate a new .xo bundle * git clone git://git.sugarlabs.org/turtleart/mainline.git It may be useful to change the version number, for example, 160.1 instead of 160 in activity/activity.info I will work more with the Launchpad. So far, it seems very much like the Arduino. Once I know more, I will start to talk to you about requirements for the plugin. OK. No hurry as I have my hands full at the moment. Thanks. Gerald On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. I have been playing with the Turtle Blocks plugins for Follow Me, We Do Robots, Lego Mindstorms, and Arduino. They installed perfectly in Turtle Blocks (as expected). I have two questions: 1. I will need to install Turtle Blocks and these plugins on 25-50 XO-1s. Do I have to do the plugins one by one on each machine? TurtleBot comes with all of the above plugins pre-installed. It is also possible to create a special spin of Turtle Art with just the plugins you want (several deployments do this and I could walk you through the process) 2. How do I go about requesting plug in(s) for the TI Launchpad? I need to know more about how to talk to the TI Launchpad and what sorts of interactions between it and TA you are looking for. -walter Thanks. Gerald ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Turtle Blocks question
That version have the rules.. You only need install the plugin an try! From: gerald.ard...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:09:56 -0400 To: alan...@hotmail.com CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; support-g...@laptop.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Turtle Blocks question Alan, I am using XO-1 build 12.1.0. Thanks.Gerald On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com wrote: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:00:35 -0400 From: walter.ben...@gmail.com To: gerald.ard...@gmail.com CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; support-g...@laptop.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Turtle Blocks question On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the help last night on the Arduino plugin. I know what I need to do. And now, another question. I have been working with the plugin for We Do robots. The plugin is installed and the palette is where it is supposed to be. But, the We Do does not respond to the program. When I look at the Turtle Arts plugin page (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Turtle_Art/Plugins), I am directed to this link: https://github.com/itdaniher/WeDoMore/tree/master/udev to download directions for setting up permissions. However, there are two files there and I am not sure what to do with them. 99-lego-WeDo.rules are the rules and install_driver.sh is the script to run to install them. The file 99-lego-WeDo.rules needs to be in: /etc/udev/rules.d (in the most linux versions) In the new Fedora changes for: /etc/udev... The Sugar 0.94? and newest have that rule included.I know that in Sugar 0.96 the rule is in place.. -walter I would appreciate any help you can provide. Thanks. Gerald On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Walter, Thanks for the amazingly quick response. I see TurtleBot. I would like to learn how to create my own spin, so please do walk me through it. The easiest thing to do is to: (1) clone the TA project* (2) load the plugins you are interested in (3) run setup.py dist_xo to generate a new .xo bundle * git clone git://git.sugarlabs.org/turtleart/mainline.git It may be useful to change the version number, for example, 160.1 instead of 160 in activity/activity.info I will work more with the Launchpad. So far, it seems very much like the Arduino. Once I know more, I will start to talk to you about requirements for the plugin. OK. No hurry as I have my hands full at the moment. Thanks. Gerald On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. I have been playing with the Turtle Blocks plugins for Follow Me, We Do Robots, Lego Mindstorms, and Arduino. They installed perfectly in Turtle Blocks (as expected). I have two questions: 1. I will need to install Turtle Blocks and these plugins on 25-50 XO-1s. Do I have to do the plugins one by one on each machine? TurtleBot comes with all of the above plugins pre-installed. It is also possible to create a special spin of Turtle Art with just the plugins you want (several deployments do this and I could walk you through the process) 2. How do I go about requesting plug in(s) for the TI Launchpad? I need to know more about how to talk to the TI Launchpad and what sorts of interactions between it and TA you are looking for. -walter Thanks. Gerald ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Turtle Blocks question
I think that you cannot check what sensor is connected..Butia have hotplug and show instantly that a sensor is connect.Lego not have that, and the only check possible: get a value, if no gives errors, maybethere are a sensor of that type connected.. The usual approach would be to add a device input to the blocks...device 1, device 2, device 3 That can works, but I don't like it taking into consideration that you have put the portwhere each sensor/motor is connected. I think in a special block that sets the brick that you want to use.For example:- you have 2 bricks connected-if you want to: read color sensor from brick 1 in port 1-turn motor in port b of brcik 2 with power 100 The code will be: select brick (1)read sensor (color, port 1)select brcik (2)turn motor (port b, 100) See that all the blocks no have changes, only uses the select brick to set in the system, whichbrick get the next functions.The important of this change: when you have only 1 brick, the code no have changes! Opinions? Regards! Alan From: gerald.ard...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:45:48 -0400 To: walter.ben...@gmail.com CC: alan...@hotmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; support-g...@laptop.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Turtle Blocks question Walter,Agreed.I am happy to continuing working with you on this.Gerald On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Walter, if we are crossing devices? Egon Spengler: Don't cross the streams. The usual approach would be to add a device input to the blocks... device 1, device 2, device 3... But also, I should do a better job of autodetecting which sensors are available. The whole thing should be more dynamic. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Arduino and XO-1
Hi, The Arduino plugin have some checks. This checks are: 'ERROR: Check the Arduino and the number of port.''ERROR: Value must be a number from 0 to 255.''ERROR: Value must be either HIGH or LOW.''ERROR: The mode must be either INPUT, OUTPUT, PWM or SERVO.' The Arduino board needs have the Firmata firmware [1]. The checks are catched with try/excepts that not allows see what is wrong.I can make a version without it to test.. Regards! Alan [1] http://firmata.org/wiki/Download From: gerald.ard...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 23:09:03 -0400 To: fors...@ozonline.com.au; support-g...@laptop.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: [IAEP] Arduino and XO-1 Tony, I have been trying to get the Arduino to work with the XO-1 laptops.(Thanks to your great blog posts) I have successfully installed the Arduino IDE on the laptop, and it works great. Tonight, I installed the Arduino plugin for Turtle Art and (once again using your blog posts), created my first project. When I click Start, I get an error: Check the Arduino and the number of port. How do I do this with TurtleArt/outside the IDE? Thanks so much. Gerald ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Arduino and XO-1
Replace this file in TurtleArt.activity/plugins/arduino/
This file not have any calidation, if something is wrong, in the log will
appears that.
From: gerald.ard...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 23:36:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Arduino and XO-1
To: alan...@hotmail.com
CC: fors...@ozonline.com.au; support-g...@laptop.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Alan,
I have uploaded the newest version of Firmata to the Arduino board, and still
get the first error in your list.Any thoughts about what I should do next?
Thanks.
Gerald
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Hi,
The Arduino plugin have some checks. This checks are:
'ERROR: Check the Arduino and the number of port.''ERROR: Value must be a
number from 0 to 255.'
'ERROR: Value must be either HIGH or LOW.''ERROR: The mode must be either
INPUT, OUTPUT, PWM or SERVO.'
The Arduino board needs have the Firmata firmware [1].
The checks are catched with try/excepts that not allows see what is wrong.I can
make a version without it to test..
Regards!
Alan
[1] http://firmata.org/wiki/Download
From: gerald.ard...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 23:09:03 -0400
To: fors...@ozonline.com.au; support-g...@laptop.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: [IAEP] Arduino and XO-1
Tony,
I have been trying to get the Arduino to work with the XO-1 laptops.(Thanks to
your great blog posts) I have successfully installed the Arduino IDE on the
laptop, and it works great.
Tonight, I installed the Arduino plugin for Turtle Art and (once again using
your blog posts), created my first project. When I click Start, I get an
error: Check the Arduino and the number of port.
How do I do this with TurtleArt/outside the IDE?
Thanks so much.
Gerald
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#!/usr/bin/env python
# Copyright (c) 2012, Alan Aguiar alan...@hotmail.com
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
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# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
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# Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin St, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301 USA
import os
from time import time
from gettext import gettext as _
from plugins.plugin import Plugin
from TurtleArt.tapalette import make_palette
from TurtleArt.talogo import media_blocks_dictionary, primitive_dictionary, logoerror
import firmata
import commands
VALUE = {_('HIGH'): firmata.HIGH, _('LOW'): firmata.LOW}
MODE = {_('INPUT'): firmata.INPUT, _('OUTPUT'): firmata.OUTPUT,
_('PWM'): firmata.PWM, _('SERVO'): firmata.SERVO}
ERROR = _('ERROR: Check the Arduino and the number of port.')
ERROR_VALUE_A = _('ERROR: Value must be a number from 0 to 255.')
ERROR_VALUE_D = _('ERROR: Value must be either HIGH or LOW.')
ERROR_MODE = _('ERROR: The mode must be either INPUT, OUTPUT, PWM or SERVO.')
class Arduino(Plugin):
def __init__(self, parent):
self.tw = parent
self._dev = '/dev/ttyUSB0'
self._baud = 57600
self._arduino = None
status,output = commands.getstatusoutput(ls /dev/ | grep ttyUSB)
output = output.split('\n')
for i in output:
status,aux=commands.getstatusoutput(udevinfo -a -p /class/tty/%s | grep ftdi_sio /dev/null % i)
if (not status):
self._dev='/dev/%s' % i
break
def setup(self):
self._arduino = firmata.Arduino(port = self._dev, baudrate = self._baud)
palette = make_palette('arduino', [#00,#00A0A0], _('Palette of Arduino blocks'))
primitive_dictionary['pinmode'] = self._prim_pin_mode
palette.add_block('pinmode',
style='basic-style-2arg',
label=[_('pin mode'),_('pin'),_('mode')],
help_string=_('Select the pin function (INPUT, OUTPUT, PWM, SERVO).'),
prim_name='pinmode')
self.tw.lc.def_prim('pinmode', 2,
lambda self, x, y:
primitive_dictionary['pinmode'](x, y))
primitive_dictionary['analogwrite'] = self._prim_analog_write
palette.add_block('analogwrite',
style='basic-style-2arg
Re: [IAEP] Arduino and XO-1
If he have the latest version, the plugin makes a list of the ttyUSB availables
andtry get the first that works.
The header of the Arduino Plugin says:
self._dev = '/dev/ttyUSB0'self._baud = 57600
self._arduino = None
status,output = commands.getstatusoutput(ls /dev/ | grep ttyUSB)
output = output.split('\n')for i in output:
status,aux=commands.getstatusoutput(udevinfo -a -p /class/tty/%s | grep
ftdi_sio /dev/null % i) if (not status):
self._dev='/dev/%s' % i break
I'm not sure if the udevinfo commands exist in the XO.In my Ubuntu 12.10 I
not have it, only the udevadm
Which sugar version you have?
In the Terminal Activity:
check for the N of the arduino:
ls /dev/ | grep ttyUSB
After, check if exist the udevinfo:
See the n, and replace the * in this line:
udevinfo -a -p /class/ttyUSB* | grep ftdi_sio
From: gerald.ard...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 00:14:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Re: [IAEP] Arduino and XO-1
To: fors...@ozonline.com.au
CC: alan...@hotmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Tony,
Thanks. I'll check it out.
Gerald
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 12:09 AM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
Gerald
Maybe the baud rate or the device name do not match.
Somewhere in the Arduino plugin code it searches for ttyusbn where n=1,2,3 ...
Your Arduino board could be ttyusbn or ttyacmn where n increments each time you
replug the Arduino. Somewhere, I think /dev , you can see what your Arduino is.
Somewhere in the Firmata listing the baud rate is set, check its the same in
the plugin code.
Tony
Alan,
I have uploaded the newest version of Firmata to the Arduino board, and
still get the first error in your list.
Any thoughts about what I should do next?
Thanks.
Gerald
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn
alan...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi,
The Arduino plugin have some checks. This checks are:
'ERROR: Check the Arduino and the number of port.'
'ERROR: Value must be a number from 0 to 255.'
'ERROR: Value must be either HIGH or LOW.'
'ERROR: The mode must be either INPUT, OUTPUT, PWM or SERVO.'
The Arduino board needs have the Firmata firmware [1].
The checks are catched with try/excepts that not allows see what is wrong.
I can make a version without it to test..
Regards!
Alan
[1] http://firmata.org/wiki/Download
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From: gerald.ard...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 23:09:03 -0400
To: fors...@ozonline.com.au; support-g...@laptop.org;
iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: [IAEP] Arduino and XO-1
Tony,
I have been trying to get the Arduino to work with the XO-1 laptops.
(Thanks to your great blog posts) I have successfully installed the
Arduino IDE on the laptop, and it works great.
Tonight, I installed the Arduino plugin for Turtle Art and (once again
using your blog posts), created my first project. When I click Start, I
get an error: Check the Arduino and the number of port.
How do I do this with TurtleArt/outside the IDE?
Thanks so much.
Gerald
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Re: [IAEP] [Butia-list] XO robotics
Putting the XO on top of the robot appears to me as a cute photo op thing, not a necessity. It would be amazingly cool if the XO camera would capture images that real time were processed by the XO, or man a sonar sensor, or something. So far I don't think this is happening, and the XO on the platform feels like a pour la gallerie innocent gimmick. In fact, the XO is part of the robot and there is a plugin for TurtleBlocks that allows to use the camera as a sensor color. (see followme plugin) Exist a followme plugin for the TurtleBlocks (TurtleArt) activity: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Turtle_Art#FollowMe And exist a separate activity for the XO: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4368 A video of the activity FollowMe Butia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nnc9Rn9GbY Regards! Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] FW: [Butia-list] XO robotics
2) Some places sold the PIC burned with a especial program: the bootloader. That bootloader allows flash the firmware without the PIC programmer.With a PIC with bootloader, you can use an activity on the XO that makes the update of the firmware! With this system, only with a XO you control all! Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:29:24 -0500 From: yamap...@gmail.com CC: butia-l...@fing.edu.uy; IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org; olpc-...@lists.laptop.org Subject: Re: [Butia-list] [IAEP] XO robotics WOW! Thank you, Jorge 1) I love the connectors for the USBButiá. 8-wire ethernet. Once a standard exists :-), makes compatibility in development by the many a viable option, i.e, I or anyone can develop a motor or sensor, and it will work with the Butiá. VERY powerful! exchangebale parts, the birth of the Industrial Age. Exchangeable circuits, possibly a jumping point (salto cualitativo, decía un otro Jorge) for mechatronics in education, and then in national development! http://www.fing.edu.uy/inco/proyectos/butia/mediawiki/index.php/Usb4butia closeup: http://www.fing.edu.uy/inco/proyectos/butia/mediawiki/index.php/Archivo:Usb4butia2.jpg 1.b) I do not like digital servos, adds enormously to the cost IMHO, *have* to be purchased, but then, they do have advantages. Askjerry gets feedback from a LED/sensor pair. So far I have only used dead reckoning 2) hmmm. I guess that Butiá can run either with an Arduino *or* with a USBButiá, the latter connected direct to an XO? So the USBButiá has an MCU with some pretty good code! aha, a PIC 18F4550. I assume that you falsh them... Could you please point us to more details? Source code seems to be here, I guess I'll have to take a look. How expensive is it to get the stuff (PIC programmer)to flash? Does Eneka sell ready-made PCBs? PCB fab is something that the folks at Kidbot could help, I will check, some of our people seem to have good connections for that sort of stuff (maybe $1.50 for each at this complexity, in smallish quantities). I must admit this is more advanced than where I am right now in my own skills and hacks. I merely can flsh 430s with an XO, and would totally love to be able to have real i/o XO-MCU. Hope we can follow up and I can learn. (of course I can flash arduino with a Linux PC, but I feel that is cheating - anything that needs more than an XO is, an ideology issue for me :-) ) Jorge, could you point me to suitable resources I could learn from? Thanks! Yama On 09/27/2012 01:08 PM, Jorge wrote: On 27/09/12 13:35, Yama Ploskonka wrote: 1) I wouldn't say better... rather, complementary, and certainly cheaper. Visiting the Butiá pages, the only picture I see showing an MCU http://www.fing.edu.uy/inco/proyectos/butia/images/pistaButia.jpg is showing an Arduino. Add a motor driver, and we are well above $30, plus shipping. The USBButiá board is maybe cheaper IF done in quantity by experts (then add labor). Besides the microcontroller the USBButiá board provides standard connectors for attaching sensors. It allows autodetecting what sensor you connected and were (something like the NXT brick, but with a wider spectrum of attacheable stuff, more connectors, easier to hack, and plugplay). We sidestepped the motor driver issue using digital servos. MSP430 + (L293D OR some darlington array) can be free if you get them as samples from TI, or less than $5 when purchased, /plus shipping/, the old bane. the advantage of using a darlington driver is that then you may use plain DC motors, which can be free if lucky with old electronic parts (beautiful gear system available in old CDROM drives) 2) yop - the XO drives the vehicle with the MSP430 option also. Now, I put quote marks as I have no idea - yet - on how to send data direct realtime from the XO to the robot, bypassing the MCU. What seems to be happening is that Butiá depends on sending code/program to the Arduino, and the the 'duino does the brains of the robot. Nop, the control runs fully on the XO. MCU only interfaces sensorsmotors and supports the plugplay functionality. No user logic runs on the MCU. The user programs on the XO access sensors/actuators connected the MCU and whatever the XO provides (mic, cam, accelerometer if there is one) transparently. The most frequent programming environment is TurtleArte (kisds already
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
I've been saying the same things for years, but people take me as a pessimist or worse. The truth hurts.. Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
From: fran...@sugarlabs.org Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:42:37 -0300 To: nices...@gmail.com CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org; walter.ben...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18 2012/9/19 James Simmons nices...@gmail.com: Walter, First, congrats on the grandchild. Second, I am intrigued by the statement that 10% of Sugar Activities were written by children who grew up with Sugar. That is an incredible accomplishment, and it makes me wish that the ASLO website had a Collection of those Activities. If something like that existed I could see what kinds of Activities they were doing, how many were programs written for other environments using a Sugar wrapper, how many are purely Sugar Activities, who the developers are, what Sugar features are they using and not using, how popular the Activities are, etc. Hello James, I feel identified with what Walter described so I dare to answer. I'm from Uruguay and I'm thirteen years old. I'm one of the activity developers in transition to Sugar contributor. I don't know other young Sugar contributors outside Uruguay, so I'll tell you about the situation here. About one year ago, children made activities often as a hobbie, that activities had not a reasonable aim and they weren't very well integrated with Sugar. Some examples: Agubrowser by Agustin Zubiaga: This activity was based on webkit when Browse used python-hulahop (gecko). http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4419 Sugar File Manager by Ignacio Rodríguez and me: Based on Sugar Commander and JAMexplorer, with some improvements. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4494 Actually, we make activities thinking in its utility, but our aim is still learn with what we do. I leave here some of the activities that make us feel proud: TerronesWeeper: A mines game for CeibalJAM!, the Uruguayan OLPC community, which is represented with a Terrón[1]. http://activities.sugarlabs.org//en-US/sugar/addon/4520 Chart: Made with help of adults and now available at the official OLPC build. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4534 Graph Plotter: Mathematical function plotter. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Graph_Plotter JAMath: Other game for CeibalJAM. I'm not sure, but I think this activity is only available in Spanish. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4595 Sorry if I forget other activities. One more of Cristhoper Travieso; Convert: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4597 Cheers, Daniel. [1] http://ceibaljam.org/drupal/?q=node/741 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] sugar digest 2012-09-06
Thank's for share! Alan Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 12:51:06 +0530 From: salil.kon...@gmail.com To: walter.ben...@gmail.com CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] sugar digest 2012-09-06 The video of Walter's talk at the Goa Instutute of Management are available in three parts, at the links given below: Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj6awWWLoN0 Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juaN4El1mC8 Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjcDTuqeBvk Salil. On 6 September 2012 23:28, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: == Sugar Digest == 1. Just back from two exhilarating weeks in India. Along with Harriet Vidyasagar, I visited with Sugar and OLPC aficionados in Delhi, Goa, Mumbai, and Guwahati. It was quite eye-opening. The first stop was Delhi. Harriet had arranged meetings with Sesame Street India, which is using Sugar in an after-school program. They were blown away when I told them the history of the Simple Graph program, one of their favorites. Then we went to JNU where I met with Dr. Ajith Kumar. Kumar works at the inter-university particle accelerator center, but is also the inventor of ExpEyes [1], a peripheral device similar to Arduino (or Lego WeDo) but for more serious EE work (it has a signal generator and a buffer for doing precise sampling of signals). Of course, I could not resist writing a Turtle Art plugin for his device [2]. I also attended a seminar on Digital Literacy sponsored by the Hindustan Times, Intel, and Microsoft. The seminar itself was pretty depressing: a very paternalistic approach to providing government services to the masses. But I met a number of good people there whom I will be following up with. Also in Delhi, I got a chance to see Manusheel Gupta, who had interned for me in the very early days of OLPC. It was very nice to catch up. The next stop was Goa, where there is a small OLPC deployment. One of the highlights of the trip was finally meeting Salil Konkar, who has been maintaining the deployment on a volunteer basis. There are not enough laptops for each child to get their own, so before each class, a selected group of students retrieve then (XO 1.0s) from a charging station (designed at the Homi Bhabha Centre) for use in the class. The students, perhaps seven to eight years old, were using the Numbers activity that day, and although it was somewhat of a traditional class in format--desks in rows facing forward--they were actively engaged and helping each other. I had a prototype of XO Touch with me, so I did a small study with some of the kids to see how they took to it. (Although it is unfair to compare with the erratic touchpad of the first-generation XO 1.0s, it was nonetheless obvious that touch will make a big difference: they interface, which had been getting in the way was suddenly in background; all focus was on the math.) Another highlight in Goa was the opportunity to meet Rita Paes, who directs the Nirmala Institute, a teacher-training college [3]. I got a chance to talk to the students about Sugar (who welcomed me with a lovely ceremony) and with Rita about the potential for establishing a center of excellence for teacher training to support our efforts in India. I saw great potential. Rita also introduced Harriet and me to some locals who have interest in helping with the localization of Sugar into Konkani. It was interesting to me that some people write Konkani using Latin script, while others use Devanagari script. It is somewhat of a political issue, so Chris Leonard has enable both communities to work in pootle ([4], [5]). From there, I went to the University of Goa [6], where I gave a lecture to the engineering students. The next evening, I gave a seminar on how to write a Sugar activity to about seventy students. Clearly there is some latent interest in the project. I also have a lecture at the local meeting of the ACM, which happened to coincide with my visit. Finally, I travelled an hour out of town to the Goa Institute of Management [7], a beautiful campus on a hill top, to talk to the students on the theme of learning to change the world. We discussed strategies for making Sugar (and OLPC) take hold on the Peninsula. From Goa I travelled to Mumbai, where I was hosted by the Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, specifically G Nagarjuna and his students at the Gnowledge Lab [8]. G's students are well versed in Sugar, having been active in supporting the OLPC deployment in Khairat [9]. Their principal project is metastudio.org [10], a peer-to-peer collaborative workspace that utilizes many semantic features. We discussed the possibility of folding some of their work into future School Server designs. Hopefully they will be able to participate (mostly likely on line) in the discussions at the SF summit
Re: [IAEP] XO Sticks and XOrduino
Hi, You know the Butia robot? http://www.fing.edu.uy/inco/proyectos/butia/ First, we use a Arduino Mega baseboard to build our Butia.Now, we use a more inexpensive board: USB4Butia: http://www.fing.edu.uy/inco/proyectos/butia/mediawiki/index.php/Usb4butia That board (USB4Butia) can be make with low cost and with your hands: http://www.fing.edu.uy/inco/proyectos/butia/mediawiki/index.php/USB4buti%C3%A0 All the software/hardware is open!The more expensive component in the board is the micro: PIC 18F4550 We have a TurtleBlocks plugin to control the robot: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt#Butia And we add Lego NxT and Lego WeDo plugins in the TurtleBlocks, making afork called: TurtleBots: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4434 You think make a similar plugin for the XOurduino?Maybe, we can help you.. Regards! Alan Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 03:28:46 -0400 Subject: XO Sticks and XOrduino From: csc...@laptop.org To: de...@lists.laptop.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org I have about 20 XO Sticks and XOrduinos to give away to developers. Details at: http://cananian.livejournal.com/66654.html --scott -- ( http://cscott.net ) ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Lab in Home
Hi, This trailers seems interesting..I want to see the first episode..Learn physics, chemistry et al with XO: https://vimeo.com/28409986 Regards! Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Fwd: [somos-azucar] se necesita jclic sugarizado
Hola! Yo hace mucho hice esta pequeña y rápida sugarización de JClic.Si la XO tiene Java instalado anda bien, de lo contrario, instalen esta actividad: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4285 Luego instalen el JClic.xo: http://www.fing.edu.uy/~aaguiar/files/JClic-1.xo Espero sirva de algo.. prueben.. Saludos! Alan From: la...@somosazucar.org Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:17:10 + To: olpc-...@lists.laptop.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; to...@somosazucar.org Subject: [Sur] Fwd: [somos-azucar] se necesita jclic sugarizado Saludos Alejandro, Retransmito tu solicitud a la comunidad global, en la lista SUR (en español) y la lista IAEP (en inglés) hay muchos entusiastas que nos pueden ayudar con este específico requerimiento. Slds -- Mensaje reenviado -- De: Alejandro Martínez alejandro.martinez.muna...@perueduca.edu.pe Fecha: 17 de julio de 2012 21:56 Asunto: [somos-azucar] se necesita jclic sugarizado Para: to...@somosazucar.org to...@somosazucar.org Saludos a todos, Entiendo que en estos momento la prioridad es la Red Azúcar y Hexoquinasa. Sin embargo, permítanme manifestar lo siguiente: Sugar-clic es un proyecto que pretende (o pretendía) ser un runtime o JClicPlayer para xo En la página: http://code.google.com/p/sugar-clic/ se puede descargar ClicPlayer-1.xo Esta actividad xo incluye el contenido interactivo il conill que se asemeja a los productos de clic 3.0. Pero, buscando por las carpetas, me parece que todo está en python, inclusive il conill (no soy programador) También me da la impresión que es un proyecto que está inactivo buen tiempo. Finalmente, resulta que ClicPlayer-1.xo , no puede abrir los archivos .jclic.zip (de JClic), ni los archivos .PCC (paquete compacto de Clic 3.0) Clic 3.0 es un programa para win3 hasta win98 JClic es la evolución de clic usando Java (winXP, Win Vista, Win7). Consta de JClic Author (generador de contenidos interactivos) y JClic Player (ejecuta los contenidos interactivos creados) JClic Author puede fácilmente abrir los paquetes de clic (.PCC) y luego de abrirlos, los guarda en el formato .jclic.zip (tan sencillo como eso) Sugar no deja copiar los archivos .PCC (algo muy interesante en materia de seguridad) Pero, muchos docentes de primaria a nivel nacional, usan JClic (en PCs desktop) La página de ZONA CLIC http://clic.xtec.cat/db/listact_es.jsp incluye muchos contenidos interactivos, listos para usar. Por ese motivo, transmito a Uds. el clamor de miles de profesores peruanos a nivel nacional: se necesita una herramienta que permita ejecutar los productos .jclic.zip. Es decir un JClic Player sugarizado. Si esto fuera posible, Sugar anotaría un golazo de media cancha, pues por medio de un pequeño programa, facilitaría el acceso a cientos (o miles?) de contenidos interactivos ya preparados. Sugar sería una interfaz mucho más querida e imposible de dejar. Otra alternativa sería una herramienta que permita cambiar el formato .jclic.zip a un formato legible por ClicPlayer-1.xo (tal vez esto sería más complicado) La página de descarga de los productos JClic (zona clic), permite trabajar con el producto de forma ON-LINE. Pero eso es en cierto modo limitante. Además hay que actualizar el motor java en el xo, con java-2.xo El caso de la laptop azul es diferente. En el Perú, no viene con JClic, pero después de mucho buscar, conseguí instalarlo en xo-hs 1.5 (en fedora remix y escritorio gnome). Pronto publicaré esto en uno de mis blogs. Atentamente, Alejandro Martínez alejandro.martinez.muna...@perueduca.edu.pe superd...@gmail.com ___ Cogito ergo sum Linux ___ somosazucar mailing list somosazu...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/somosazucar -- Laura V. ID SomosAZUCAR.Org Skype acaire IRC kaametza ___ Lista olpc-Sur olpc-...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] I know India
Hi, Some time ago, someone ask for a version of Conozco America (I know America)with the map of the region of India.After that, I'm started with it but I can't continued.This weekend, I have a bit of time and decide finish for a very basic first version.The result, here: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4587 The activity needs much more work. This version only have information about thestates and the capital of that states. Now, I want to make the principal cities. Regards! Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] I know India
Hi, Now, I'm making the cities..You seeConozco America ? http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4464 and Conozco Uruguay ? http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4199 At the begin of the activity, appears a basic story that gives to thechildren a challenge to resolve: In Conozco Uuguay: the spaceship of a litlle marcian explotes and theparts of the spaceship falls on diferents points of the map. The idea iscollect all for that the marcian returns to their planet. In Conozco America: a boy will have a test in the next day.. and not studies nothing! The idea is help with it. For Conozco India, I'm not have a excuse to the childrens..You think of anything? Regards! Alan From: outofin...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:27:33 +0530 To: alan...@hotmail.com; sve...@sfsu.edu; kmrfoundat...@gmail.com CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; olpc-in...@googlegroups.com; administra...@kmrfoundation.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] I know India Dear Alan I am from India and will be happy to help you with this. If you tell me what data you need I can help you construct it one data set at a time. I will be in the USA for two months starting July 5th and will have a lot more time too to do this. Also Prof Sameer Verma (copied here) and I along with HBCSE helped start the KMR Foundation's olpc project in Hyderabad and have reached out to Vasanta the coordinator that we could help from here if they need anything. Warm regards Harriet Harriet Vidyasagar www.outofindia.net www.womenofindia.net INDIA: 91-99011 66276 USA: 1-301-649-2240 On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, Some time ago, someone ask for a version of Conozco America (I know America)with the map of the region of India.After that, I'm started with it but I can't continued. This weekend, I have a bit of time and decide finish for a very basic first version.The result, here: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4587 The activity needs much more work. This version only have information about thestates and the capital of that states. Now, I want to make the principal cities. Regards! Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Photos Montevideo: 1.edu and eduJAM!!
Well, I don't even have a FB account because of privacy concerns, so I'll be the one missing the comments on the photos. It would be nice if you added the link :) Ok. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] I know America 4
Hi! After months of changes, this new version comes out.The changes are not visible because the change is within.Changed all .txt with information from each country in .pyThis should improve performance a bit, but I did not try.But this allows for the use gettext strings with allthe names of countries, departments, cities, etc.. With this system,can easily translate the activity into different languages.Nowadays it is in pootle and is being translated into several languages.This version supports English, Spanish and Simplified Chinese! Something important: any error (or suggestion) that are, pleasesend them! It is the way to improve the activity, I test theactivity, but it always happens some detail. Well, it only remains to try it. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4464 Regards! Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Butia 2.0 - Telepresence
Hi, I wanted to share with you some videos of what we are doingwith Butiá 2.0.In the videos you see a XO 1.75, using the accelerometer that it brings,we use it to control the robot. The XO (1.0) which is above therobot receives messages sent to you by the other (connected by the network maya)and uses the camera to send it captures the XO 1.75.With this, you can control the robot to several feet away, somethingthat can be called telepresence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPzQEOUlIbwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONs1ldL5tpAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPj3N17fx94 We make 2 workshops in the Brasil school (in Montevideo) and the childrensplay with the robot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VXsDzvhfC8http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXjbuTdjugM Regards! Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Forbidden words
Hi, I just read this news and perplexes me. Is it true? http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/03/26/war-on-words-nyc-dept-of-education-wants-50-forbidden-words-removed-from-standardized-tests/ Regards! Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Changing paradigms
Hi, I wanted to share this video with you .. Perhaps as many saw it .. Are saying? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z78aaeJR8no Regards! Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Uruguay first to get XO 1.75
Actually, developers have been doing this for many months already. I got my first 1.75 dev machine in August 2011: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahkOIlLL--4 And the Fedora folks have been working on ARM at least since 2010: http://lwn.net/Articles/463506/ So thanks for the encouragement, but it were a bit late if we only started now. Yes, some developers have one, but this news says something like: Uruguay firstcountry in have a big lot of XO 1.75 (60 000) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Uruguay first to get XO 1.75
Hi, This notice begin turn the world: http://blog.laptop.org/2012/03/16/uruguay-is-first-country-to-get-xo-1-75/ Developers: begin to compile for ARM... Regards! Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Butia 2.0 first tests
The most expensive is the motors.. We use Dynamixel AX-12.. The board: use a 18F pic that is relative cheap and the circuit can be made with your hands.. http://www.fing.edu.uy/inco/proyectos/butia/mediawiki/index.php/Usb4butia ---Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 19:22:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [IAEP] Butia 2.0 first tests From: sthom...@gosargon.com To: alan...@hotmail.com CC: olpc-soc...@laptop.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; de...@lists.laptop.org; de...@laptop.org Nice. What is the cost of making one of these and is there a parts list? Stephen On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, We have some progress with the butia 2.0 platform [1], including some related to the new board I / O USB4bot [2] Is working the motors of the robot, an example video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNf2aJUQSfk [1] http://www.fing.edu.uy/inco/proyectos/butia/mediawiki/index.php/Butia2 [2] http://www.fing.edu.uy/inco/proyectos/butia/mediawiki/index.php/Usb4butia Regards! Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Turtle Jumps - A Tale of Determination
Hola, Limpiando mi carpeta de descargas, encontré este libro. Me causó curiosidad y comencé a leerlo.. Me gustaría saber quién hizo la traducción al español? Ya que se ve que el que la hizo, no tenía ni las nociones más básicas de español (porque supongoque alguien que hable español, no pondría frases que ni siquiera tienen sentido..) Ejemplo:Mom and Dad say I should be glad that I am a turtle.Mamá y papá dicen que estaría contento de que soy una tortuga. No sería: Mamá y papá dicen que debería estar contento de ser una tortuga ?? Otro:At school I am often last. I get to class just as the bell rings.En la escuela a menudo soy pasado. Llego a clase como la campana suena. A menudo soy pasado??? y a veces soy futuro? Cómo la campana suena? No sería:..justo cuando la campana suena? Otro:Sometimes I feel like I don't fit in.A veces me siento como que no encajan.No encajan? Los otros o el personaje? No sería: como que no encajo? y asi.. muchas mas..Pido a alguien que sepa del traductor, me mande su mail...Y además pido a alguien que arregle esas barbaridades en las traducciones... No soy unangloparlante experto, pero sé distinguir una buena y una pésima traducción.. Saludos! Alan -- We would like to doniate our educational children's book called Turtle Jumps - A Tale of Determination. Sincerely, -Douglas and Pakaket Alford www.trythai-ketco.com próxima parte Se depuró un adjunto no texto... Nombre: Turtle Jumps Jan 2012 Spanish e-BOOK.pdf Tipo: application/pdf Tamaño: 2397178 bytes Desc: no disponible URL: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/somosazucar/attachments/20120122/0b7115ca/attachment-0001.pdf ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Cómo Hacer Una Actividad Sugar (Spanish Edition) [Paperback] now on Amazon.com
James: You have the printed book? or a photograph of the book? I wonder if it has wonder covers... Regards! Alan Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 08:15:22 -0600 From: nices...@gmail.com To: disc...@lists.flossmanuals.net; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; webch...@invisible.net Subject: [Sugar-devel] Cómo Hacer Una Actividad Sugar (Spanish Edition) [Paperback] now on Amazon.com The book has found its way onto Amazon.com. Eventually the e-book and printed book will be linked together and Search inside the book will be there too. The URL is: http://www.amazon.com/Hacer-Actividad-Sugar-Spanish-Edition/dp/1470125064/ref=sr_1_31?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1330782946sr=1-31 Thanks to all the translation team and to Oceana Rain Fields who drew the cover illustration. James Simmons ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Localization] [Sur] Last string of spanish Honey
Suggestions? - RebotaFracciones No está mal.. si no hay otra.. queda esa.. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Last string of spanish Honey
Hi, The last string for spanish Honey: The name of FractionBounce activity... I don't like any translation... Suggestions? Regards! Alan - Hola, La última cadena de Honey en español: El nombre de la actividad FractionBounce... No me gusta ninguna traducción... Sugerencias? Saludos! Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Video Formats for JukeBox Activity???
Jukebox mime types: video/x-theoraaudio/x-vorbisaudio/x-flacaudio/x-speexapplication/x-ogm-videoapplication/x-ogm-audiovideo/x-mngaudio/x-aiffaudio/x-wavaudio/x-m4avideo/mpeg4video/mpeg-streamvideo/mpegapplication/oggvideo/mpegtsvideo/mpeg2video/mpeg1audio/mpegaudio/x-ac3video/x-cdxaaudio/x-auaudio/mpegurlaudio/x-mpegurlaudio/x-vorbis+oggaudio/x-scplsaudio/oggvideo/oggaudio/x-flac+oggaudio/x-speex+oggvideo/x-theora+oggvideo/x-ogm+oggvideo/x-flv Regards! Alan From: ca...@laptop.org To: support-g...@laptop.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:58:13 -0800 Subject: [IAEP] Video Formats for JukeBox Activity??? Hi Tried irc. Lots of people signed in but must be sleeping... no response after 30 min. Need to know what video formats the JukeBox Activity is capable of playing. Thanks,Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] ASLO Editor Application
Yes.. I can... There are only 39 activities without page...I can make it alone.. there are few... I don't know how to make it in the page.. but searching.. maybe can find the way... Regards! Alan Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 11:51:52 -0300 From: gonz...@laptop.org To: alan...@hotmail.com CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; raf...@activitycentral.com Subject: Re: [IAEP] ASLO Editor Application Alan, Now you are a editor, a great task to do, should be update the screenshots in the activities, and add a link to a page in the wiki for every activity without a website. Is not needed you do all the work, but may be is a good task to coordinate with other volunteers. What you think? Regards, Gonzalo On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Alan. Welcome you are now an ASLO editor. thank you very much! Regards! Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sur] [OT] Se necesitan nuevas aplicaciones
1.- María es:a.- Un nombre bíblico.b.- Un personaje secundario del texto.c.- El personaje principal del texto. a: maría es un nombre bíblibo..y c: no quita lo anterior... 2.- María encuentra la nuez de oro en: el camino. medio del bosque. en su comarca. lectura literal en profundidad (nivel 2) 3.- Los duendes pueden reconocerse gracias a: su tamaño. rasgos de su rostro. su vestimenta. b.. pero sin a y c.. con cara de duende no alcanza... Nivel Inferencial o implícito:4.- El duende entrega la nuez a María porque: ella lo ha vencido en una prueba. comprobó que la niña cumpliría su promesa. tenía muchas y no esa ya no le interesaba. ninguna de las anteriores? 6.- De la lectura del relato se concluye que María es: honesta y generosa. triste y desconfiada. temerosa y amargada. ninguna de las anteriores? si fuese honesta no se hubiera robado la nuez y la hubiera dejado en el suelo.. jaja ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] ASLO Editor Application
Name: Alan Aguiar Mail: alan...@hotmail.com Activities: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/user/418 GIT: http://git.sugarlabs.org/~alanjas SugarLabs activities: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntaXnq4oy2_dFJjNE9TemZUUGtzLVNEQnF4UlIwQkE Test of compatibility with os883 (Sugar 0.94.1): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntaXnq4oy2_dHpvZHhLeGRQYzc1cDlRZU9Mc1NldGc Random thoughts: Viewing the list of activities, I found 82 that are in SandBox. And 38 not public/no page.. When an activity not is aprovved, we must give a feedback to the developer... Because, the developernot have idea for what his activity was rejected.. And when activity is approved, would suggest ideas to improve it.. Another thing that I don't like: trusted activities. That increases the time of a new version of an activitytakes to be public, but it may go against users: a simple bug, error that the developer not see when trythe activity, we can obtain it.. Regards! Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] ASLO Editor Application
Hi Alan. Welcome you are now an ASLO editor. thank you very much! Regards! Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] ASLO Editor Application
Name: Alan Aguiar Mail: alan...@hotmail.com Activities: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/user/418 GIT: http://git.sugarlabs.org/~alanjas SugarLabs activities: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntaXnq4oy2_dFJjNE9TemZUUGtzLVNEQnF4UlIwQkE Test of compatibility with os883 (Sugar 0.94.1): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntaXnq4oy2_dHpvZHhLeGRQYzc1cDlRZU9Mc1NldGc Random thoughts: Viewing the list of activities, I found 82 that are in SandBox. And 38 not public/no page.. When an activity not is aprovved, we must give a feedback to the developer... Because, the developernot have idea for what his activity was rejected.. And when activity is approved, would suggest ideas to improve it.. Another thing that I don't like: trusted activities. That increases the time of a new version of an activitytakes to be public, but it may go against users: a simple bug, error that the developer not see when trythe activity, we can obtain it.. Regards! Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Asimov in 1988 - His vision of the education
In 1988 Isaac Asimov have the idea of personalized education, with a 1 to 1 model.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJAIERgWhZQ Regards! Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Odp: Sugar versions - Activities
I am not sure if it is OK for me to edit your google spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntaXnq4oy2_dHpvZHhLeGRQYzc1cDlRZU9Mc1NldGc#gid=0 I find that a lot of the activities listed do run well on 0.94.1 and 0.92. Is it Ok for me to change the entries for the correct working range? In the spreadheet there are the version that the SugarLabs page says that the activity runs... I don't know who have permissions to change the versions in the SL page... The long way is tryto contact the developer, and say to him: your activity works on 0.94. Please upload a new versionwith compatibility between xx and 0.94. The columns enters and notes is to check if the activities run on 0.94. All my test are in a XO 1.0 with os883 (Sugar 0.94.1). The Soas Pineapple is exactly the os883? Exist a difference between check on XO 1.0 and in other pc with Soas? ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Carlos Rabassa te envió una noticia desde LaRed21
Lamentablemente parece que el artículo enviado directamente desde el diario no salió bien. I never use the share button of the pages... Ever copy and paste the URL in old mood... El tema central del artículo es la acusación de plagio recibida por el Vaticano por haber utilizado textos obtenidos de Wikipedia sin aclarar su origen, dando a entender que eran propios. If SOPA win.. the Vatican would be an inputed by copy copyright content haha ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Carlos Rabassa te envió una noticia desde LaRed21
recuerda que esta lista es de las más activas de SugarLabs y no necesita ruido extra This is the most active? Además, entiendo que el idioma de la lista es el inglés. And why your answer is in spanish?___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Odp: Sugar versions - Activities
Sorry, but.. is not easier to edit a google doc? Make a table in format Wiki I never like it... Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:39:16 -0800 From: satel...@bendbroadband.com To: sdaly...@gmail.com CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; dgran...@frks.pl Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Odp: Sugar versions - Activities I have set up a new wiki page for testing reports of the current Activities on XO-1; SoaS-v5; and SoaS-v6. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Activity_Matrix#Most_Recent-Activity_Test_Results (The older results are also on the same wiki page) feel free to edit the wiki page. Cordially Tom Gilliard satellit_ #sugar IRC On 01/06/2012 07:38 AM, Sean DALY wrote: ps. wouldn't it be sensible to do the same on SoaS? Dominik - see Tom Gilliard's previous work at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Soas_V4/ASLOxo_Activity_Test_Table Sean ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Project/Deployment Videos/Slides Needed
Hi, Robots in Uruguay: Yesterday, I make a crane? to elevate a simple cube of wood: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8HRbDLO7LM This was programmed in TurtleArt, and the robot was a Lego NxT Mindstorm The Butiá robot have all videos on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/proyectobutia An in others channels: http://www.youtube.com/user/AlanJAS10http://www.youtube.com/user/fandrade9 http://www.youtube.com/user/madrugae http://www.youtube.com/user/aguirrea Regards Alan From: cbige...@hotmail.com To: support-g...@lists.laptop.org; iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; olpc-so...@laptop.org Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:42:29 -0800 Subject: [IAEP] Project/Deployment Videos/Slides Needed Hi Folks, Next week I will be putting together a small DVD project to run continuously in the OLPC/Sugar Labs booth at SCaLE 10X (Jan 20-22). I plan to try to use the videos from Talat's project, the XO orchestra in Paraguay, and robots clips from Uruguay. I would love to include lots more! If you have a video clips or a series of slides from a project, anywhere in the world… let me know how I can access them. I'll collect all week and start putting it together next weekend. As an aside, if you can possibly get out to SoCal for SCaLE 10X I can put you to work in the booth for a few hours and get you a complimentary admission (I can use up to 4 more people, at least). This is a really big event and anyone involved in OLPC would enjoy it. Here is a link to more info: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale10x OSSIE (open source software in education) and a new event, SCaLE The Next Generation, will both be on Saturday. Abe Kazemzad and I will both be doing presentations in the OSSIE track on Saturday. We are also hoping that some of the students from the Contributors Program project Abe works with in South Central LA will be able to attend and share their experiences too. Happy New Year!Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sur] consulta a la lista: actualizaciones de Actividades
Firefox utiliza un sistema simple: Al inicio chequea si hay una nueva versión, y en caso afirmativo, hace unos chequeos y actualiza. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Software_Update En una XO no sé que tan viable es este sistema. El chequear por una nueva versión en cadainicio, puede enlentecer mucho el proceso de carga.Se podría hacer un sistema que solo chequee una vez por día.. Otro tema a considerar, es quese debe estar conectado a internet.. El actual sistema funciona bastante bien: el Software update en el Panel de Control... Sería bueno que los usuarios lo usaran mas a menudo.. Aunque actualmente, no sé que tan bien anda.. no lo he probado... Alguien lo ha probado? Realmente descarga la última versión de cada actividad? Saludos! Alan From: car...@mac.com Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:30:11 -0200 To: olpc-...@lists.laptop.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sur] consulta a la lista: actualizaciones de Actividades Alan, ¿sería mucho molestarte pedirte nos expliques cómo se hacen las actualizaciones de Firefox y qué opinas del procedimiento que siguen? Entiendo se trata de software libre/libre. Las puestas al día se hacen con mínima intervención del usuario. Me parece un sistema para informar sobre, repartir e instalar actualizaciones muy similar al que usan las más grandes empresas de software privativo. Por favor confirmar o corregir las tres líneas anteriores. Gracias desde ya. Carlos RabassaVoluntarioRed de Apoyo al Plan CeibalMontevideo, Uruguay On Dec 13, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote:Creo tenés algunos errores de concepto, ya que en algunos momentos hablás del Sistema (Sugar) que no está actualizado perode a ratos hablás de las actividades.. Son cosas distintas... Podés tener el último Windows (Seven) pero con un paquete de Oficce 2003, por decir algo.. Las actualizaciones de Actividades se están haciendo de forma irresponsable, poco profesional. Que querés decir con eso? Que no somos profesionales los que hacemos actividades? Que problema tenés? Me refiero al sistema que seguían antes de lo que hacen ahora, de enviar los cambios en forma automática e instalarlos con mínima intervención del usuario. Los cambios a Sugar o a las actividades? Antes? Cuándo? No publicar cambios al software que no hayan sido extensamente testeados. Cada actividad es probada y testeada un mínimo de veces. Un problema existente es mantener la compatibilidad con las distintas versiones de Sugar.Hay XO (que ya deben ser pocas) que usan Sugar 0.82 y las últimas XO con Dextrosa Sugar 0.88Además.. en Uruguay no tenemos solo XO.. tenemos Olidata, Magallanes.. Que complican aún mas mantener una actividad que funcione en todas esasplataformas. No hablaban de esos cambios hasta que hubiera alguno muy importante o hasta que se hubiesen juntado muchos cambios menores. Esto es software libre: la gente habla de lo que hace, no se mantiene como un secreto de estado y las cosas se hacen colaborativamente y no egoistamente (esas palabras no deben existir). Cuando uno tiene una nueva idea sobre algún cambio en alguna actividad, lo comienza a hacer, pero siempre pide consejo a las listas para ver si ese cambio realmente beneficia al usuario. Entonces anunciaban con bombos y platillos la nueva versión, que tenía un número muy diferente de las anteriores para distinguirla fácilmente y frecuentemente también un nombre. Lo de cambio de números.. pasar de una versión 1.1 a una 2 es un método comercial... Como estos cambios mayores eran pocos, los nombres de las nuevas versiones eran muy diferentes unos de otros y fáciles de recordar Es imposible crear un nombre para cada versión de una actividad (si es que hablás de eso)Si hablás de sugar.. ya tienen nombres.. Por ejemplo los SoaS: Mirabelle.. Blueberry.. Convencían a los usuarios, de que la nueva versión era una mejora importante, lo que frecuentemente era cierto. Tan cierto que solían, con éxito, cobrar la nueva versión. Acá no se cobra. Pero si, tener la última versión de una actividad garantiza tener una mejora importante con respecto a una versión vieja: se corrigen errores que había y se agregan cosas.Un ejemplo reciente: TuxPaint versión 5 tenía un retraso de cerca de 1 minuto en abrir el menú nuevo.. ahora en la versión 6.. solo unos segundos! Nadie me lo ha sabido explicar y, pregunto nuevamente, cuales son los problemas que tiene Ceibal para tener siempre en sus servidores la última versión de Sugar. A que servidores te referís? Los de las escuelas? Yo he preguntado varias veces porque usan Dextrosa (sobre la base de Sugar 0.88.1 y Fedora 11) en lugar de usar Sugar 0.92 (sobre Fedora 14).Sugar 0.92 ya tiene varias mejoras y tampoco estoy pidiendo el último estable: Sugar 0.94.2.Y la razón de usar Sugar viejo = misterio.. nadie sabe / quiere / puede responder.. Imagino que no les alcanza el tiempo de su personal para estar al día con las nuevas versiones. Imagino que no desean publicarlas sin
[IAEP] Web page
Hi, The page (http://activities.sugarlabs.org/) is down.. For maintenance? Regards Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar Digest 2011-12-01
Not true! It requires an Internet connection to load the page. Maybe it can be copied to be used offline? I haven't looked. It requires Adobe Flash to operate. That means it won't work on many computers and devices. Considering that Adobe are discontinuing support for mobile Flash, the number of compatible devices will only shrink. I haven't checked whether it works in Gnash. Any Flash game can be sugarized and work offline... For example: Cat in a pond.. I attach it.. I only test it on Sugar 0.94.1 on a XO 1.0Gnash run it.. Regards Alan CatInAPond.xo Description: Binary data ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2011-12-01
Please do *not* start making Flash based activities! I can, and if I want, I make some of them!Pure games or educationals games.. all... Flash is non-free software, and even if the activities worked on a free player like Gnash, allowing them would encourage authors to use proprietary flash tools to make the activities. If flash is bad, for what exist gnash ?? If flash is too bad, remove gnash from the image of Sugar!!! Activities in Flash there are another tool to develop educational software...And like any tool, it generates its new possibilities, and its drawbacks (non-free software) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2011-12-01
An Activity needs to be able to save to and restore from a Journal entry, at a minimum Yes.. but how many activities make it? If not.. can't be use it? Or not are educational? Just play the Maze activity.. a good game.. funny.. but not save your progress... With an wrapper is possible make a Flash activity that save the progress...A bit of difficult.. but it's possible... ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Sugar Updater
I think the activity updater does not look for the last activity in ASLO,but to a wiki page created to every release. And probably the wiki page is not updated. If the latest activities are in ASLO.. why continue using the wiki and not directly check in ASLO ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Updater
updated applications in ASLO that will not run on older versions of Sugar I think that with all the information that has each activity in ASLO, the developerscan make a better updater... Each activity say: I can work on Sugar xx to xy If the XO is in the range of xx, xy this activity can be update.. easy to make! The manual form, go looking for activity by activity is a bit annoying.. I say this like an user: I like to get the latest versions of activities and more stable, in an easy and fast form ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Contemplating Your SLOBS Vote
English: Though Carlos Rabassa is not a teacher or a coder, he is a regular contributor at Squeakland, and is credited as a translator and tester of Etoys. Español: Aunque Carlos Rabassa no es un maestro o un desarrollador, él es un habitualcontribuyente en Squeakland, y es un acreditado traductor y tester de Etoys. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar tutorial video from Peru - Updater
Hi, Watching the video, I remembered a problem that happens often in multiple versions of Sugar (I have not tried in Sugar 0.94.2) The video XO has several activities outdated ..For example: Jukebox - Version: 19 - Latest: 23Speak - Version: 11 - Latest 34Browse - Version: 108 - Latest: 129TurtleArt - Version: 103 - Latest: 126TamTam Mini - Version: 52 - Latest: 61 and more ... And when to go to Update software .. the updater says: your software is updated !!! Anyone know how is running the updater? Regards Alan From: ber...@sugarlabs.org To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 01:29:46 -0500 CC: market...@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: [IAEP] Sugar tutorial video from Peru A nice introduction to Sugar found in Peru's new image for the XO-1 which is based on OLPC OS 10.2: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team/Tutorials I also uploaded the video to DailyMotion, but I couldn't figure out how to make it work with the HTML5 player and add it to the sugar channel: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmfk2x_presentacion-sugar -- Bernie Innocenti Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Communication from teacher - livescribe.
Not is a livescribe pens... but is a pen... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzKLws6fhy4 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 22:13:06 +1300 From: tabi...@tabitha.net.nz To: dfarn...@activitycentral.com CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Communication from teacher - livescribe. On 18 November 2011 10:35, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: Attached is a link to a live scribe video which one of their teachers created to help parents understand the techniques the school to teach two digit addition. http://www.livescribe.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/LDApp.woa/wa/MLSOverviewPage?sid=VSV4n7ZzgKgp The lady is very clear, nice to give the parents a window into what the students are learning. I have one of those Livescribe pens. Does anyone know how to use it with the XO? It would be neat if we could find a way for the files to be shared via the school server so both kids and teachers can create and share with everyone their ideas, calculations, stories, drawings, etc that they create with the livescribe pen. I know the pen is probably a bit on the expensive side but who knows when something like this could turn up in schools. I guess we could create an activity that uses the stylus mode of the XO-1.0 touchpad and records audio while you draw? Or maybe it is something for the XO-3 touchscreen? Like Khan Academy. Tabitha ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [somos-azucar] Contemplating Your SLOBS Vote
ENGLISH: ...correcting a good percentage of the problems, delivering working computers to the users. You try the latest version of Sugar (0.94.2) ? The Plan Ceibal uses Dextrosa, but the base is Sugar 0.88.1 What problems do you have? Explain it... ESPAÑOL: corrijan un buen porcentaje de los problemas, entregando computadoras que funcionen, a los usuarios. Has probado la última versión de Sugar (0.94.2) ? El Plan Ceibal usa Dextrosa, pero la base es Sugar 0.88.1 Que problemas tienes? Explícalos... From: car...@mac.com Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:36:44 -0200 To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; argent...@lists.laptop.org; olpc-boli...@lists.laptop.org; olpcp...@gmail.com; olpc-...@lists.laptop.org; somosazu...@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [somos-azucar] [IAEP] Contemplating Your SLOBS Vote Traducción al Español sigue al original en Inglés Gonzalo, The teacher I met was not just any teacher. He/she was a most influential education professional who could, if introduced to the meeting, have added important feedback. I didn´t say teachers are not welcome. I said my personal feeling is they are not welcome. I will go back to this subject in a message I promised Mr. Bender, with a list of the many suggestions I made in the past to improve this situation. Gonzalo, I admire your energy and willingness to work. I´m afraid I disagree however with your definition of work. It seems to me the only thing I could do for you to feel I am working, would be to have unquestionable faith in Sugar and blindly obey its leader. Most people would probably agree if I say taking breaks in our work to look back and forward, to adjust our course, is a good practice within any activity. I have done that and I have told you what my conclusion was. I believe Sugar is doing serious damage to Plan Ceibal, to the uruguayan teachers, children, and to us all. As Mr. Bender expressed in one of his presentations Sugar is software under construction. You cannot ask teachers and children to start using their new computers by figuring out how to deal with this software under construction which, being so closely related to the operating system, happens to affect all uses of their laptops. My suggestion was and still is that after some years of trying the free software / volunteers route, with unacceptable results, get paid professional developers to swiftly work on correcting a good percentage of the problems, delivering working computers to the users. Some of those developers might well be some of the same working today as volunteers. Carlos On Nov 18, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:Carlos, Because you meet one teacher who was ignored in one event, you say the teachers are not welcomed in the SugarLabs community? This is a complete nonsense. You have your point of view, and is ok, but try to found a constructive way to participate, only rant, is annoying. There are a lot of work to do. Gonzalo Traducción al Español Gonzalo, El maestro que encontré no era un maestro cualquiera. Era un muy influyente profesional de la educación que podría, si hubiese sido presentado/a a la reunión, haber agregado importante información desde el lado de los usuarios. No dije que los maestros no son bienvenidos. Dije que mi opinión personal es que no son bienvenidos. Volveré sobre este tema en un mensaje que prometí al Sr. Bender, con la lista de las muchas sugerencias que hice en el pasado para mejorar esta situación. Gonzalo, admiro tu energía y voluntad para trabajar. Me temo no estoy de acuerdo con tu definición de trabajo. Me parece que lo único que podría hacer para darte la sensación de que estoy trabajando, sería tener fe absoluta en Sugar y obedecer ciegamente a su líder. La mayoría probablemente estaría de acuerdo si digo que hacer pausas en nuestro trabajo para mirar hacia atrás y hacia adelante y ajustar así nuestro curso, es una buena práctica dentro de cualquier actividad. Yo lo he hecho y te he contado mis conclusiones. Creo que Sugar le está causando serios daños al Plan Ceibal, a los maestros y niños uruguayos y a todos nosotros. Tal como lo expresó el Sr. Bender en una de sus presentaciones, Sugar es software en construcción. No puedes pedirle a los maestros y a los niños que comiencen a usar sus nuevas computadoras, descubriendo como arreglarse con este software en construcción, el cual, estando íntimamente relacionado con el sistema operativo, afecta todos los usos de sus laptops. Mi sugerencia fue y todavía es que, después de algunos años de probar la ruta del software libre y voluntarios, sin resultados aceptables, conseguir desarrolladores profesionales pagos para que rápidamente corrijan un buen porcentaje de los problemas, entregando computadoras que funcionen, a los usuarios. Algunos de estos desarrolladores podrían muy bien ser algunos de los mismos que trabajan hoy como voluntarios. Carlos En Nov 18, 2011, a las 9:47 AM, Gonzalo Odiard escribió:
Re: [IAEP] Songs Needed for Tam Tam Mini FLOSS Manual
Hi, this is Ernesto's blogspot, there are some song's... http://musicaenlaescuela-fiesta.blogspot.com/ Regards Alan Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:03:49 -0200 From: ana.cich...@gmail.com To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org CC: nanon...@mediagala.com Subject: Re: [IAEP] Songs Needed for Tam Tam Mini FLOSS Manual Caryl, Here in uruguay there is this old music teacher called Ernesto Baquer, that works among RAP ceibal, and has a collection of songs with tam tam. I think this is his mail ernestobaq...@gmail.com I am sure that you will like his work a lot. He is even able to make grown up people from rap ceibal and other serious groups learn songs and sing aloud. He uses old popular songs ( some in english ) . ( I am cc paolo ( rap ceibal ) in case the mail address is not ok. I think this could be so because when you came 1/1/10 to mvd and asked olpc-uruguay how to meet volunteers, i fwd him your mail but never got an answer) On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:33 AM, Caryl Bigenho ca...@laptop.org wrote: Hi Folks, I'm collecting simple childrens' folk songs from around the world to include in a FLOSS manual about the Tam Tam Mini Activity. Let me know if you have some you can share. Words can be in any language as long as there is an English translation included. If the song has a story too, please include a short version. You can send the notes in any form: musical notation, Do-re-mi, or even a sound recording. Please, no copyrighted material. Thanks! ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org
And... Why not use Adobe Flash? Problems with the license? From: ber...@sugarlabs.org To: sdaly...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 22:08:33 -0500 CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; market...@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 16:07 +0100, Sean DALY wrote: Thanks Bernie The Sugar Labs video channel is here: http://www.dailymotion.com/sugarlabs Ogg-compatible! I tried playing DailyMotion videos on the XO, but the flash player makes Gnash choke. So I tried it on my computer, without the adobe flash plugin installed: it attempts to start an HTML5 player, but it fails immediately with Media Not Supported on Firefox 7 and no explanation on Chromium 15. Moreover, there's no discoverable way to download the video file (probably it's so by design). Even if these issues were fixed, I still see some value in playing videos directly from our wiki, alongside with images and text, to create lesson plans for example. -- Bernie Innocenti Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org
Another way.. Download it... http://ceibaljam.org/drupal/sites/default/files/tmpYlc-pn.xo From: ber...@sugarlabs.org To: alan...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 22:45:58 -0500 CC: market...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 03:12 +, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote: And... Why not use Adobe Flash? Problems with the license? Yes, it's not even redistributable. Besides, there's no ARM version for the XO-1.75. And even if both problems were solved, flash is typically too slow to play videos on hardware as the XO-1. On the XO-1.5 it's barely acceptable for low resolution videos. -- Bernie Innocenti Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] I know India
I received another thing: uses the idea of the book ok Emilio Salgari La montaña de la luz (The mountain of light While starring San-cycle Dokan and Yanez, one of whose most ce-Lebre episodes isMompracem Tigers is the best known part of the extensive production of Emilio Salgari, The mountain of light is an excellent example of the inventive colorist the narrative agilityand taste for exoticism of popular Italian writer. The plot unfolds in a mythical world that alternate descriptions of the sects, customs and religious rites in India with behaviors thatillustrate the virtues of courage, loyalty, friendship and sense of justice. SIPNOSIS:At the center of the plot is 'The Mountain of Light', a huge diamond of immense value and greed is admired throughout India. The protagonist Indri Sagar, advisor guicowar ofBaroda, fell into disgrace because of a palace intrigue, moved by the Minister Parvati. To be able to rehabilitate Indri have to steal the Rajah of Pannah the fabulous 'Mountain of Light' and it asks for help in English Toby Randall, the most famous and respected hunter of tigers in northern India. The search for a treasure is an interesting idea .. no?the search for a treasure is an interesting idea .. no? Alan Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:04:32 -0400 From: kevin.m...@verizon.net To: alan...@hotmail.com CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; administra...@kmrfoundation.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] I know India On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:56:59AM +, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote: Hi, When I received the email, I started working! This is the background of the game .. and the political divide there are... and the names of the states .. In the other Conozco the excuse of the game is important ... In the Conozco Uruguay, a Martian spaceship comes in and suffers a breakdown and spacecraft parts fall into different parts of the country... The game is based on finding the parts of the ship... In the Conozco America a boy has a test the next day and has not studied for it.. The idea is based on helping he to go exploring and learning .. For know India a new story should be invented, to don't make so repetitive games .. Someone comes up with something? maybe the directory of a (bollywood) film has to visit the actor of her upcomming film? -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux ==.| http://kevix.myopenid.com..| | : :' : The Universal OS| mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/.| | `. `' http://www.debian.org/.| http://counter.li.org [#238656]| |___`-Unless I ask to be CCd,.assume I am subscribed._| First there was Dial-A-Prayer, then Dial-A-Recipe, and even Dial-A-Footballer. But the south-east Victorian town of Sale has produced one to top them all. Dial-A-Wombat. It all began early yesterday when Sale police received a telephone call: You won't believe this, and I'm not drunk, but there's a wombat in the phone booth outside the town hall, the caller said. Not firmly convinced about the caller's claim to sobriety, members of the constabulary drove to the scene, expecting to pick up a drunk. But there it was, an annoyed wombat, trapped in a telephone booth. The wombat, determined not to be had the better of again, threw its bulk into the fray. It was eventually lassoed and released in a nearby scrub. Then the officers received another message ... another wombat in another phone booth. There it was: *Another* angry wombat trapped in a telephone booth. The constables took the miffed marsupial into temporary custody and released it, too, in the scrub. But on their way back to the station they happened to pass another telephone booth, and -- you guessed it -- another imprisoned wombat. After some serious detective work, the lads in blue found a suspect, and after questioning, released him to be charged on summons. Their problem ... they cannot find a law against placing wombats in telephone booths. -- Newcastle Morning Herald, NSW Australia, Aug 1980. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Version 3 of I know America
Hi, Of course! I can do an I know India... A first version is possible in 3 weeks.. with the general map of India..make each state (there are 28?) has more work ... This is a good map to make the activity??? Or you have a better one? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/India-states-numbered.svg Regards! Alan Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:54:24 +0530 Subject: Re: Version 3 of I know America From: administra...@kmrfoundation.org To: alan...@hotmail.com CC: alan...@gmail.com; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; somosazu...@lists.sugarlabs.org; olpc-boli...@lists.laptop.org; grassro...@lists.laptop.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; de...@lists.laptop.org; boli...@lists.ole.org; support-g...@laptop.org; olpc-soc...@googlegroups.com; olpc-in...@googlegroups.com; olpc-o...@laptop.org; i...@laptop.org.au; volunt...@laptop.org.au; olpc-urug...@lists.laptop.org; olpc-...@lists.laptop.org; olpcp...@gmail.com; squeakfest2...@googlegroups.com Hi fantastic work!!! just I would like to know if you could help us with the map of India and other related area just like what you have done with the flags etc--if we provide you with all necesary basic data. vasantha KMRF On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 2:22 AM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com wrote: ENGLISH: (Español abajo) Hi, I just uploaded version 3 I know America.This version adds to the 29 countries (now there are 30), Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, which recently launched an OLPC deployment: http://education.gov.vc/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=125Itemid=107 Anyone know anything more about that? Also fixes a translation. There are more mistakes to be corrected, but they will be fixing over time. The activity page is: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4464 And the direct link: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/27679/conozco_america-3.xo Any suggestions, critical, error, please send me a email... Regards Alan - ESPAÑOL: (English up) Hola, Acabo de subir la versión 3 de Conozco América.Esta versión agrega a los 29 países (ahora son 30), San Vicente y Granadinas, que recientemente inició una implementación de OLPC: http://education.gov.vc/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=125Itemid=107 Alguien sabe algo mas acerca de eso? Además corrige una traducción. Hay mas errores que corregir, pero se irán arreglando con el tiempo. La página de la actividad es: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4464 El link directo: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/27679/conozco_america-3.xo Cualquier sugerencia, crítica, error, por favor envienme un email.. Saludos Alan -- Vasantha Srinivasan Administrator KMR Foundation 9951532000. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Labyrinth - Maze
Hi, Yesterday, trying out some new activities I found a little matter of translation: The activity Maze, is correct translated in spanish: Laberinto.. the game is resolvean labyrinth.. The activity Labyrinth (that I don't like the name :-) is also translated as: Laberinto... This not make any bug.. but.. generates a few of confusion.. What you think? Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Abacus suggestions
Hi, The touch scrren allows manipulate the abacus activity like an real abacus... And when you have some practice with your fingers.. you can will be more quick than a calculator! I see the Japanesse children make it with incredible speed! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj7XbnYrIk0feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwY9oazPqGgfeature=related Regards Alan Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 11:20:07 -0700 From: yosh...@vpri.org To: walter.ben...@gmail.com CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Abacus suggestions Hi, Walter, At Sun, 9 Oct 2011 08:57:51 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: - As you can see, the default 1's digit (the big white dots) is in the middle, not the far right. That makes sense to tell that there are numbers smaller than 1 and for the idea of power of 10. (It is often a good technique to slide the decimal point, so I first thought the red triangle to mean this, but it is something else.) The red triangle is a mark found on many Chinese abaci. It is useful for to keeping track of place while doing multiplication and division. Ok. The scheme on the wiki is different from what I know. Which clears the used digits of multiplier as you go and that serves as the tracker. But I see that if you have it there, it can be used for such a purpose. - For a non-5 and 4 abacus, this is not simple, but then why kids in the 21st century need to learn Mayan arithmetic... My goal with the abacus was primarily to introduce the idea of multiple representations. Ok... It seems to me that these different traditional ones are tied to the way they say or write numbers. In other words, the abacus in that culture feels natural, but once we try to map the numberto base 10 arabic notation, it requires some extra mind work. Which may be about this multiple representations. - So, there are some 90 combinations of two one digit number additions. Some require 5's compliment arithmetic (adding 4 to 2 is subtracting 1 but then adding 5, etc.) or 10's (if it is the right terminlogy.) Abacus was about building the muscle memory for these 90 patterns of additions. Some of these require you to move both index finger and thumb at the same time. After acquiring this muscle memory, you can do any additions without thinking, and that is the point of abacus. But now, doing additions without thining is easier with electronic calculators. At the same time, the Abacus activity is not set up for learning about this part of idea (and XO is not multi touch, so you can't build the muscle memory). I haven't played with the abacus on the touch-screen XO yet... but it is not multitouch. Muscle memory is not something we can do much with on that hardware :P Hmm, too bad. The real abacus as an artifact feels good. We ride on it like a skate board, too. - There is a bug when I tried to make my own abacus. If there is a number already on abacus, changing the board made some beads stuck outside. I thought I fixed that bug in a recent release. What version are you using? It is from 508dx Dextrose 2 International. -- Yoshiki ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] reporting simple error on pippy 42
since when? Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 23:42:48 -0300 From: gonz...@laptop.org To: ana.cich...@gmail.com CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] reporting simple error on pippy 42 This is not a bug, is a feature.I don't know why, but Pippy is translated Peppy in spanish. Gonzalo On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:37 PM, ana.cichero ana.cich...@gmail.com wrote: When using the Activity in spanish the word Peppy appears with mouse over on the home view, and when saving on Journal it is also shown as Peppy. ( I had forgotten to use reply to all , sending this twice to Walter, apologizing then ) On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:11 PM, ana.cichero ana.cich...@gmail.com wrote: Please resend to whom corresponds. When installing on spanish the name of the activity changes to Peppy Inside localees file activity.linfo shows [Activity] name = Peppy While localeen shows Pippy so I think name has not changed. What you are describing sounds correct: the English name will not change. But I assume that the Spanish name does not appear translated in Sugar? -walter I did not check for other languages. Regards. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] OLPC no se usa por falta de capacitación docente
ESPAÑOL: Hola! Recién veo esta noticia: http://www.rpp.com.pe/2011-09-29-una-laptop-por-nino-no-se-usa-por-falta-de-capacitacion-docente-noticia_408337.html Lo que pasa en Perú, pasa en Uruguay, y me atrevo a decir, que en todos los despliegues OLPC del mundo! La capacitación de los maestros es decisivo a la hora de obtener mejores resultados en el aprendizajede los niños. Algo en lo que no concuerdo totalmente es: “Si no hay conectividad, estas computadoras tienen una gran limitación técnica y los alumnos no podrán beneficiarse con su uso”Es cierto que internet ayuda en gran medida al acceso a ciertos recursos y opera como un fuerte atractivopara fomentar el uso de las XO; pero internet no es todo... Existen (por suerte) miles de actividades pararealizar con las XO que NO usan internet.. Otra vez volvemos al tópico del mensaje: depende de los maestros:si hay internet - ponemos a los niños que se diviertan en internet..si no hay - la XO no tiene ningún uso... Espero no haber sido muy duro con mi opinión, pero es lo que pienso... Saludos! Alan ENGLISH: Hello! Just see this article: http://www.rpp.com.pe/2011-09-29-una-laptop-por-nino-no-se-usa-por-falta-de-capacitacion-docente-noticia_408337.html What happened in Peru, Uruguay happens, and I dare say that in all OLPC deployments in the world! The training of teachers is decisive in obtaining better results in learningof children. Something is not totally agree: If there is no connectivity, these computers have a great technical limitation and students may not benefit from their use It is true that the Internet helps greatly to access resources and operates as a strong appealto encourage the use of the XO, but internet is not all ... There are (hopefully) thousands of activities toperformed with the XO NOT use the internet .. Again we return to the topic of the message: it depends on teachers:if there is internet - put the children to have fun on the internet ..if no - the XO has no use ... I hope I have been very hard with my opinion, but what I think ... Greetings! Alan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Cursos Creados Por Mentores y Por Voluntarios
The LATU uses Dextrosa, based on Sugar 0.88.1 With the Sugar 0.93 some problem can be avoided... To: car...@mac.com From: fors...@ozonline.com.au Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 08:36:27 +1000 CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Cursos Creados Por Mentores y Por Voluntarios Carlos Thanks for your comments. It is very useful to get feedback such as this. Please forgive me if I have misunderstood the translation. Today in Uruguay many of the computers distributed to children without allowing use Sugar alternatives. Sugarlabs are producing operating system images with an alternate Gnome desktop. This, I believe, is important. Sugar is good but some things can be done better in Gnome. (A new feature: The latest OS allows transfer of files from the Journal to Gnome's Documents directory, this is good!) Perhaps Ceibal has decided to distribute OS's without Gnome, if so, it would be good to take this issue up with them. I see no connection with high-level educators as was the case of Mr. Papert in the original scheme, or with active Uruguayan teachers in classrooms who are the only ones who can provide valid re-feeding on the success or the problems of Sugar and applications If no human teachers with experience in today's primary, the result will be applications created by very intelligent people, well versed in computers, with very good intentions, who work hard but do not have the foundation required to teach . This is a problem. Sugarlabs would benefit from a closer relationship with teachers and education researchers. Sugarlabs would welcome such contact. The difficulty is how to arrange it. Teachers have little spare time. They often speak a different language to software developers. Anything that you can do to increase cooperation would be greatly appreciated. most of the Uruguayan teachers lose large amounts of time and energy making computers work Children need to learn and teachers need time to teach with computers running without problems. The problems created by using this software in construction waste time teachers and students. Yes, it is frustrating when you get software bugs. Are you using one of the later Sugar versions? Its now 0.93. The software is improving and is a lot less buggy than it used to be. Sugarlabs runs almost completely on unpaid volunteer labour, its a remarkable achievement by these unpaid volunteers. I would like to see more attention to fixing bugs rather than to developing new features. Thanks for the comments, sorry for the translation errors Tony Si te gusta la obra Waveplace, por favor, contribuir a su traducci�n. La obra de Waveplace me gusta, puse un poco de esfuerzo y aprend� algo. Con lo que aprend� pude ayudar a otros que reci�n empezaban. Como lecciones, pasan muy bien la prueba, los alumnos aprendemos. La obra de Sugar Labs lamentablemente me disgusta mucho. Espero el disgusto se deba a mi ignorancia sobre Sugar y SugarLabs. Lamentablemente he hecho much�simas preguntas y son muy pocas las respuestas que recibo. Me entusiasm� much�simo con las ideas de Plan Ceibal cuando se anunci� que estaban adoptando el sistema de OLPC que consist�a en entrega de computadoras y promoci�n de nuevas ideas sobre ense�anza para aprovechar las computadoras al m�ximo. En ese momento OLPC explicaba sus or�genes en el trabajo conjunto de un emprendedor, el Sr. Negroponte, con s�lidos v�nculos a M.I.T., y de un experto en educaci�n, el Sr. Papert. Luego hubo algunos cambios que parece nadie desea recordar o explicar. Actualmente en Uruguay muchas de las computadoras repartidas a los ni�os usan Sugar sin permitir alternativas. Sugar se nos dice que est� mantenido por SugarLabs. Se rumorea que el Sr. Bender es algo importante dentro de SugarLabs pero nadie lo explica claro, todos hablan de que es una organizaci�n horizontal. No veo ninguna conexi�n con educadores de alto nivel como era el caso del Sr. Papert en el esquema original, ni con maestros uruguayos activos en las aulas que son los �nicos que pueden ofrecer re-alimentaci�n v�lida sobre el �xito o los problemas de Sugar y las aplicaciones. Parecer�a que la conexi�n con M.I.T. se debilit� mucho o ya no existe. Entiendo no hay Sugar Labs Uruguay. CeibalJAM parece ocuparse de esas funciones. �De donde salen los conocimientos de CeibalJAM? No veo maestros activos en primaria uruguaya participando en sus labores. Todos me hablan de que es un sistema cooperativo tipo wiki. Muy bien, los wikis sirven para comunicarse eficientemente pero no para crear conocimientos. Si no hay maestros humanos con experiencia del d�a de hoy en primaria, el resultado ser�n aplicaciones creadas por gente muy inteligente, muy versada en inform�tica, con muy buenas intenciones, que trabajan mucho pero que no cuentan con la base fundamental que se requiere para ense�ar.
[IAEP] Waweplace - Pootle
Hablando de Waweplace... En la página de Pootle, si vemos la parte de traducciones en español, está terminada en un 99%,pero la parte de Waweplace, aún tiene mucho que traducir...Si se animan a traducir al menos una cadena, entre todos las terminamos antes :-) http://pootle.sugarlabs.org/es Alan From: car...@mac.com Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 14:56:01 -0300 To: olpcp...@gmail.com; olpc-...@lists.laptop.org; olpc-boli...@lists.laptop.org; somosazu...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; america-lat...@squeakland.org Subject: [Sur] Cursos Creados Por Mentores y Por Voluntarios Me pareció muy interesante la entrada T-7) del 10 de Junio último, de Tim Falconer, en el blog de Waveplace: http://waveplace.org/news/blog/category/courseware/ Muchos de nosotros dimos nuestros primeros pasos en Etoys usando los videos de Tim Falconer que aparecen en el sitio de Waveplace. Tim tiene mucha experiencia entrenando mentores y ofreciendo talleres en lugares bastante remotos, donde las XO han llegado por primera vez, junto con Tim, sus cursos y sus talleres. A continuación ofrezco traducción al Español: = Cursos [creados] por Mentores Waveplace hace, básicamente, tres cosas: entrena nuevos mentores, apoya proyectos laptop y crea cursos. Casi todo nuestro tiempo se usa en las dos primeras [actividades], principalmente porque esas son las tareas para las cuales resulta más fácil conseguir apoyo financiero. La creación de cursos siempre parece que se considera una actividad auxiliar, principalmente debido a la falta de tiempo y dinero. Los cursos que hemos creado han sido o auto-financiados o hechos por voluntarios. El trabajo de los voluntarios tiende a ser poco frecuente y desenfocado, sin mayor conexión con la enseñanza en aulas reales en los lugares [geográficos] donde se desea enseñar. Esta fue una de nuestras observaciones centrales recogidas en nuestro último taller en St. John [Islas Vírgenes de EEUU]. Los cursos que creamos mientras trabajábamos con los niños resultaron considerablemente mejores que los creados en casa [antes de viajar a St. John]. Simplemente, no hay nada que sustituya el probar las cosas directamente con los niños que las estarán usando. Dado esto [este hecho], estoy pensando en una nueva política: que los cursos sean creados y probados únicamente por mentores certificados. Certificado significa: 1) que participaron en un taller de Waveplace y 2) completaron seis semanas enseñando en uno de nuestros programas de laptops. Esto podría impedir que un gran número de educadores talentosos se ofrezcan como voluntarios para crear cursos. La verdad es que simplemente es mucho lo que hay que esperar que alguien ajeno [a nuestra organización] entienda. Casi todo esto es impartir el ritmo, guiar y fijar metas. Los temas a enseñar y las ideas interactivas elegantes, son, comparablemente, puntos menores. A menos que hayas estado en esto, frecuentemente, no lo podrás imaginar. No lo podrás anticipar.Los cursos creados por voluntarios son siempre, hechos para ser dictados por ese educador específico (o alguien muy parecido), en ambientes con los que ellos están familiarizados. Rara vez están hechos para ser usados por Maestros Muy Diferentes en Ambientes Muy Diferentes, generalmente con gente que usa computadoras por primera vez. Este es un problema esencial con las comunidades Etoys y Sugar: Están formadas principalmente por innovadores que crean material para otros innovadores.= Carlos RabassaVoluntarioRed de Apoyo al Plan CeibalMontevideo, Uruguay ___ Lista olpc-Sur olpc-...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] FW: [Olpc-uruguay] Carita triste
I can change a simple battery, but I have no access to the system, ie the okthe machine is security-enabled, but the olpc developer key not works unless lease.sig Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 13:16:57 +1000 From: qu...@laptop.org To: support-g...@lists.laptop.org CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; alan...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] FW: [Olpc-uruguay] Carita triste Nothing I said really changes the situation; I only observed that an RTC battery can be charged easily. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Fix_Clock and the exacting flowchart there by Kevin Mark still applies. Please follow it. Ask each question in turn, and make sure you follow the path. You wrote: Is there a way to fix it without sending it in for repairs? No. (Unless Alan is capable of repairs.) -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SD Card Expert Needed
Hello! When you use an activity from an USB or SD card..The activity is copied to the system.. (to the flash memory)When you use an activity from the journal.. the activity don't copy.. the activity is installed with the files fromthe journal.. a simbolic link's... When you remove the entry from the journal.. it remove the activity...That was happend on old sugar.. in the new.. I don't know.. but I think that is equal... The work's can be saved on the SD without problem.. and I think that is a good form to get some space forthe activitys.. Alan From: cbige...@hotmail.com To: support-g...@lists.laptop.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:47:29 -0700 Subject: [IAEP] SD Card Expert Needed Hi All I'm looking for an SD card expert... not just theoretical, but someone who has actually done what I want to be able to do. I am re-locating 10 XO-1 laptops from a CP project that has stalled to a K-8 school in rural Montana. They have some very enthusiastic teachers who really want to do all sorts of neat things with the XOs and tell us about them, plus their principal is very supportive of the project. Because they will be using the laptops for elementary music and middle school science, along with lots of other things... they could really use more than 1 GB memory. What I was hoping to do is use an SD card (2GB to 4GB) as auxiliary memory. I would like to be able to add science Activities like Star Chart and Constellation Flash Cards on the SD card, have them stay there, and the journal entries for those Activities stay there too. I tried it today on an XO-1 running 11.2.0 (os874) and it seemed to be working fine... until... I ejected and removed the SD card to see what was going on and the Activities (still on the card) were also on the XO! Not what I am looking for! I don't want them to live on the XO, I want them to live on the SD card only. The card won't need to be removed... that was just to test where the Activities were. Students will probably be asked to save their work on usb drives too... that is really up to the teachers, but I will strongly suggest it. So... who has experience with this? Can it be done? Caryl (aka GrannieB) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] FW: 11.2.0 release notes ready for review
Hi, I'm down the new version ... When you leave an activity, a window appears that asks the name of the journal entry.. Is like this? (capture01.png) Why is not this? (capture02.png) Some activities don't save any relevant information in the journal... All the time, I used an activity, exit of it, click on the 'tick' button tosave the entry in the journal and need to delete it... Give to the users the freedom to save or not the entry, as in any system... I think in this... It's possible? A very small change... Alan Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:32:50 +0100 Subject: 11.2.0 release notes ready for review From: d...@laptop.org To: de...@lists.laptop.org Hi, The 11.2.0 release notes are now ready for review by the OLPC team and by any other interested contributors: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/11.2.0 Feedback needed quickly, as the release is imminent. cheers Daniel ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel attachment: capture01.pngattachment: capture02.png___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Conozco America
ENGLISH: (SPANISH version below) Hello! Yesterday I went to a new activity SugarLabs .. I know America ... I have long working on this .. Yesterday I got a version 1 ... What is it? A 32-fold know ... There are 29 countries in America (the continent are all: Argentina, Belize, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, United States, Guatemala, French Guiana, Guyana, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Surinam, Venezuela and island: Cuba, Haiti, Jamaica, Puerto Rico, Trinidad and Tobago). It also has 3 general maps of North America, Central and South ... In all countries can explore and play on: departments (or provinces, States, etc.), departmental capitals (or ...), Cities and Rios Province. There are some countries that do not have all the information, but for version 2 complete. The activity includes internationalization, that is available in English and Spanish (For if a single file, which when installed is shown in the respective language version of the XO, not that they are 2 different packages.) The default language is English, that is, for all languages except Spanish, the activity is displayed in English. In Spanish it is Conozco America and in English: I know America. The part of Spanish is pretty good, but in English has many details in terms of names, since many changes (but most remain unchanged: for example, but Brasil is Brazil Montevideo Montevideo). A change with respect to other I know, is that insists with a question and again until you hit the result has a progress bar ... It is a question, if successful, add 10 points. If it fails, is a little help, if correct, 5 points, if misses .. next question. For each level are 7 questions, hence, that score being perfect are achieved 7x10 points = 70 points. If achieving that score, is a greeting otherwise, it calls back to play ... This version includes a compass rose with the cardinal points. It is well known the maps, it has long been oriented in the same way: the north up and the south down (if a geography teacher read this hit me) .. But it's good familiar with it ... Also included is the scale at which the map. This gives an idea of how big or Small is a country, zone. Like most of the maps are made with Conformal Conic projection Labert (keep your distance, but not the angles and has 2 parallel which deformation is zero) is possible to measure distances on the map and see, making a simple rule of 3, what is the distance in reality. To facilitate the reading of the scale from 0 at the right end of the scale, the last value is an exact distance in millimeters on the screen of an XO. This add avoids measurement uncertainty and improve accuracy of calculations. For example, the map of Brazil, the scale is 0 to 600 miles and the distance between these points is exactly 13 mm. On the accuracy? All maps are based on good quality maps and some are based on one that stole the United Nations (Department of Geography ...) Well, that's for download: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4464 I hope comet, suggestions and above all: ERROR ... Everything that makes man is imperfect, everything is perfect ... Mistakes are the basics for something better ... And the best way to test something I think, except the lab is in daily use, and end users to report their cases failure ... Alan ESPAÑOL:Hola!Ayer una subí a SugarLabs una nueva actividad.. Conozco América...Hace tiempo vengo trabajando en esto.. Ayer logré una versión 1...Que es? Un Conozco multiplicado por 32...Son 29 paises de América (los continentales están todos: Argentina, Belice,Bolivia, Brasil, Canadá, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominicana, Ecuador,El Salvador, Estados Unidos, Guatemala, Guayana Francesa, Guyana, Honduras,México, Nicaragua, Panamá, Paraguay, Perú, Surinam, Venezuela; y losinsulares de: Cuba, Haiti, Jamaica, Puerto Rico, Trinidad y Tobago).También tiene 3 mapas generales de América del Norte, Central y del Sur...En todos los países se puede Explorar o Jugar sobre: Departamentos (o Provincias,Estados, etc), Capitales departamentales (o de la Provincia...), Ciudades y Rios.Hay algunos paises que no tienen toda la información, pero para una versión 2se completará.La actividad incluye internacionalización, es decir, está disponible en Inglés yEspañol (En si es un solo archivo, que al instalarse se muestra en el respectivoidioma en que está la XO, no es que sean 2 paquetes distintos.)El idioma por defecto es el inglés, es decir, para todos los idiomas a no serespañol, la actividad se muestra en inglés.En español es: Conozco América y en inglés: I know America.La parte de español está bastante bien, pero en inglés tiene muchos detallesen cuanto a los nombres, ya que muchos cambian (pero la mayoría permaneceinvariable: por ejemplo, Brasil es Brazil pero Montevideo es Montevideo).Un cambio con respecto a otros Conozco, es que no insiste con la
Re: [IAEP] Historian David McCullough endorses constructionism?
in all the world, the story is told by those who won the war ...Slavery and Civil War? It has to do?Activity Library should bring: Uncle Tom's Cabin ... Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:34:23 -0500 From: nices...@gmail.com To: sve...@sfsu.edu CC: ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu; gonz...@laptop.org; yamap...@gmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; support-g...@lists.laptop.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Historian David McCullough endorses constructionism? In the United States teaching History is very political. A little less than half the country believes that our civil war had nothing to do with slavery, that our founding fathers were deeply religious and wanted to create a Christian nation, and many other things that are not true. School boards may require children to be taught these things, and they will not approve textbooks that have anything negative to say about our history. As a result the approved textbooks of U.S. History are very dull reading. If someone was foolish enough to allow me to teach a History class to impressionable children there is a wealth of good material in Project Gutenberg and the Internet Archive that I could have them do reports on. Thomas Paine, for instance, is considered a hero to the conservatives here for writing the pamphlet Common Sense. Their heads would explode if they read some of his later writings, and PG has them. I do think that a U.S. History class could be valuable and enjoyable for children if it was allowed to be. James Simmons On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:05 AM, Yamandu Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com wrote: It is a nagging feeling I have that in the lack of understanding of cause and effect lies a lot of what is wrong everywhere, especially in countries that do not seem to be able ever to get out of the subdesarrollo (underdevelopment) - and also help us to avoid debt ... I see History and Science as venues where cause and effect can be learned, understood, and hopefully become part of what people are empowered with. Interactive History can make that subject be useful, beyond the traditional memorizing of dates and events, and actually start reflections of the what if? type Yama, The are very good observations indeed. Not only does interactive history provide context, it provides a flow that explains how the world came about to being what it is today (not good or bad, but just how it is). Growing up in India, we were told how Sanskrit is the mother of all languages worldwide and nothing was ever before it. This is of course a very ethnocentric view, and is quite common around the world, but we were not allowed to question it. We also did not get to ask the how or why. For instance, learning about the origins of Brahmi script, which is considered to be the root of many South Asian languages, is very interesting because it connects Brahmi to Phoenecian and/or Aramaic (not to be confused with the language Amharic). Brahmi did not happen in a vacuum! Languages travel, and the world is a lot more fluid than a political map :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmi_script I also find that learning about cause and effect helps in understanding the difference between causality and correlation - perhaps the most important lesson I learned in my doctoral program :-) cheers, Sameer On 06/19/2011 11:19 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: Good reading, thanks. Gonzalo On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Nicholas Doiron ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu wrote: This interview in the Wall Street Journal discusses history education and a couple of interesting, interactive lessons which could be programmed. We don't have many history activities in Sugar http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304432304576369421525987128.html?mod=WSJ_hps_sections_opinion -- Nick Doiron ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a
