On 05/17/2011 03:42 AM, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
How can XOs copy files to/from their Journal with a server?
The simplest solution is probably HTTP. Set up a little local website
with an upload/download form. Moodle, or even a generic CMS like Drupal
or Wordpress, would work, but the very
On 05/08/2011 05:56 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
As part of my attempt to simplify bureaucracy within Sugar Labs, I felt
that Decision Panels were a redundant mechanism to find consensus within
the community. The existing paragraph on Referenda offers a better way
to make democratic decisions.
On 04/17/2011 01:29 AM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
exactly what language should I check out? What is being used to develop Sugar?
Sugar and its Activities are mostly written in Python. They run in the
standard python interpreter, which runs on Linux.
--Ben
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On 02/16/2011 10:01 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:31 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote:
Stepping back for a moment, the key question is: how can we get Sugar
out of the window manager and network manager and activity update and
UI toolkit business, where it's
On 12/17/2010 03:39 AM, Carlos Rabassa wrote:
creo haber leído algo de 15 a 18 años como edad de los participantes que
buscan.
Estudiantes en universidades pueden participar. No hay limites de edad.
Yo participé a la edad de 24 como estudiante en un programa Ph.D..
--Ben
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On 12/10/2010 04:13 PM, Chris Ball wrote:
I still think it's an debate with
compelling arguments in both directions, but changing the decision
now would probably be too counter-intuitive to everyone, even if we
decided that public-by-default wins on the merits.
I think that we are in the
On 07/13/2010 08:05 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
I can't
think of one good example of an educator or a businessman who came to
our community with a good proposal and could make it happen successfully
within Sugar Labs.
I think Sean Daly might be such a businessman. He has definitely
succeeded
On 06/03/2010 01:45 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
My suggestion would be to first convene a ground up rethink of what
a touch-based Sugar could be.
...
The result should be a
*book*, which describes the ideal UI. That will be the long term
(think, next decade!) goals for Sugar.
That's a
On 06/03/2010 04:57 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
As soon as I heard that OLPC was moving to ARM, I winced slightly. This
is going to make life much more difficult, because of our longstanding
Linux, Python and recent GNOME heritage.
For the record, Sugar runs perfectly fine on ARM, and has for
William Schaub wrote:
The idea is basically a decentralized discussion forum that
automatically propagates itself amongst all XO laptops that are in
range.
That's a great project! This is definitely something that OLPC and Sugar
Labs are interested in. You should mention it on
Chris Ball wrote:
If we continue with the policy that was voted on, I think it would be
important not to have anything inside .sugarlabs.org endorse or offer
non-free activities, which would suggest choice 3 in your list above.
Agreed. Personally, I regard using legal threats to deter people
Parichay Parivesh wrote:
I am developing an activity for XO laptop. Through which child can learn
about the various mode of transpiration. Can any body suggest me which
software I can use to develop the activity.
Instead of Flash, I recommend that you try Karma:
http://karma.sugarlabs.org/
Manusheel Gupta wrote:
Dear friends,
6 developers working at SEETA http://seeta.in will be spearheading the
design and development of video chat, video editing and VOIP activities in
Sugar starting Feb. 15.
Great!
1. Video Chat - Pidgin (http://www.pidgin.im/)
3. VOIP activity - Shtoom
Aleksey Lim wrote:
So, the question is should we have special place to treat such issues
in convenient and casual developer/requester friendly manner.
-1
1. Fragmentation is bad. We should instead attempt to unify our
development sites under an interface that is both friendly to novices and
http://www.cherrypal.com/openstore/product_info.php?products_id=5osCsid=5e0681c68d095b9a275cbef2f77e6e2c
$99. 400 MHz ARM. Slower than an XO-1, but with more (flash) disk.
Claims to have already working linux support. Appears to be available for
sale already.
If you buy one to test, let us
Aleksey Lim wrote:
So, I have
strong intension to switching development focus from core team,
which develops sucrose - glucose(core) and fructose(some core
activities) to wide range of developers/doers thus some kind of
decentralization of development process.
I agree. I think this has been
Dave Bauer wrote:
Do you happen to know what the mime type should be for Etoys to open it?
The list of mime types that the eToys activity will open is at
http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/etoys/tree/activity.info.in
I'm sure one of the eToys expert can give you better advice than I on
which
Samuel Klein wrote:
[ADD UNSTAR]
VNC Launcher
Not sure what this category is for, but I feel like I need to put in a
plug for Watch Me [1]. VNC Launcher lets an XO copy its screen to a
non-Sugar client with VNC software. Watch Me, wraps this process into a
pure Sugar form, so that XOs
I'd suggest Stopwatch
http://dev.laptop.org/~bemasc/StopWatchActivity-3.xo
--Ben
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Deborah Boatwright wrote:
My question is I found this site and wondered if I can use Sugar as an
application on my thin clients.
Yes. Sugar will definitely run as an application on the server, visible
on the thin clients. If you want more detailed instructions, we will be
happy to provide.
Walter Bender wrote:
if you are using the OLPC hardware, you can use vncserver to
replicate your display onto another computer attached to a projector.
If the computer attached to the projector is also running Sugar, then this
can be done automatically using the Watch Me activity [1].
[1]
Caryl Bigenho wrote:
So I have a question for you folks. I am in discussion with a college CS prof
who
would like to teach beginning programming with XOs. He is interested in trying
several different languages, but I am interested in pointing him toward the
one
that would result in the
Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 15:37, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
I presume there's a defined amount of people on this panel. When and
where is the chosen panel announced?
It's being discussed right now in the SLOBS meeting in #sugar-meeting.
Oops. I seem to
Bernie Innocenti wrote:
What could be achieved with the .xo bundles that couldn't be achieved
with an rpm?
Let's not talk about .xo. .xo is just the JAR bundle format.
What can you do with JAR that you can't do with RPM?
1. Produce them easily on any platform.
2. Tell the unpacked manifest
Bernie Innocenti wrote:
El Mon, 21-09-2009 a las 19:13 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz escribió:
1. Produce them easily on any platform.
At OLPC, I head this argument made many times, but it's moot:
(1) one could create a bundle on Windows, but not test it.
I'm not thinking about Windows
Bernie Innocenti wrote:
The use cases that work now would continue to work with any package
format.
That's definitely not true.
One option (the one I thought you were advocating) is to make Activities
just like any other software installed by the distribution package
manager. That means
Bernie Innocenti wrote:
A fixed platform with infinite backwards compatibility is a dream even
for an interpreted language.
Java.
Right now, we're just closing our eyes pretending that we are immune
from the dependency problems and that the .xo package format will
suffice. Do you really
Bernie Innocenti wrote:
Either we declare that there exists only One True Sugar Distribution
running on One True Hardware Platform -- which is exactly the opposite
of expanding the base for Sugar -- or we accept the increased complexity
that comes from a real multiplatform scenario.
Or, we
Bernie Innocenti wrote:
It's still too restrictive for external developers who would like to do
more ambitious things, like Karma and Physics. Those would have to come
and beg us to approve their dependencies.
Karma is HTML+Javascript, for which we have an approved interpreter on the
list, so
Yamandu Ploskonka wrote:
I for one had hoped that the utterly painful performance
problems with Sugar were a price we were paying for total cross-platform
compatibility though Python. I'm having my innocence crushed as I
follow this thread...
We would do well to clarify this. For the
Bernie Innocenti wrote:
Why would we care to have concurrent versions of the same activity for
different user accounts? Our computing model is inherently single-user.
LTSP. NFS with shared clients. Our computing model is not just OLPC.
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Bernie Innocenti wrote:
How does, for instance, Gimp manage to work perfectly on *all* Linux
distributions? And how do all the other 19K packages in my distro
manage to find *exactly* all the dynamic libraries they need when they
are installed?
By having distinct packages built separately
Philippe Clérié wrote:
I don't quite understand this decision panel stuff.
Is a different decision panel elected every time there is an undecided
issue at hand? Or do we elect one group that remains in place for all
unanswered questions, present and future?
I sympathize since I'm also a
Yamandu Ploskonka wrote:
It's so funny, this thing about Sugar and the XO being for elementary
children, and then we go around serependitiously messing things up.
In Bolivia Primary goes up to 8th grade... So it's OK to use them for
8th grade there and not elsewhere?
Around OLPC, we
Mel Chua wrote:
Friendly.
Is there a one-stop shop I can go to where my problems will be fixed
immediately?
...
Consistent.
...
And the support experience needs to be consistent. As explained above,
teachers need to know that no matter what their problem is, if they
spend 2 minutes
Walter Bender wrote:
I am not sure that generally enabling all activities to have net
access is a good idea... too easy to exploit. But there is a mechanism
in the Log Activity to send logs with just one mouse click. (Not sure
what is sent and to where. Maybe adding an optional field for
Peter Robinson wrote:
2009/9/16 Philippe Clérié phili...@gcal.net:
1) You need a product to market. The comparison with Gnome does not hold.
There have always been distributions that made Gnome their official desktop
environment, even very early on. That is not the case for Sugar. Whether in
Edward Cherlin wrote:
http://wiki.olpc.org/go/Academic_papers,
You want http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Academic_papers
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Sebastian Dziallas wrote:
So my vision is that this SoaS is actually *the* way of distributing
Sugar, as a SL product. If Sugar Labs doesn't think so, I'd have
preferred to be informed much earlier.
I don't think you're likely to find much support for that vision as
phrased. I think this
Philippe Clérié wrote:
SoaS is a great way to distribute Sugar, but it will certainly never be
*the* way, as long as all these other people are around, working hard
on other distribution mechanisms.
But, it could *the* way SugarLabs does it. As you correctly point out, other
people will
Caroline Meeks wrote:
I wonder if an advantage of Sugar is that it doesn't
make it as easy for students to multitask and since we are focusing on
a younger audience this is appropriate.
It's not an accident. The GUI is designed so that once you're working in
an activity, that activity is all
Dennis Daniels wrote:
That's one of the reasons I was initially attracted to Sugar in that
the peer networking was built in... please tell me that one station
monitoring of all students is built in as well.
Nope. No monitoring built in. However, I have recently implemented it as
an Activity
Edward Cherlin wrote:
Is there a Free Software OCR engine of adequate quality?
http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/
The question is: adequate for what? (A question likely to be answered
only by testing.)
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Caroline Meeks wrote:
italic looks very interesting! Can it be Sugarized? how does it
relate/compare to Show'n'Tell or any other solutions we have in the pipeline
to this type need.
Thanks!
You might enjoy Watch Me:
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4205/
It provides a
Daniel Drake wrote:
What you are saying makes sense -- it is indeed a nice idea to keep
SugarLabs as more of a loose structure, as a place for collaboration
on anything that might further the general mission.
It is a sensible idea to keep SugarLabs away from doing too much work
on the OS
Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
* there seems to be quite an issue with syncing collaboration because
initially the activities on both virtual machines were off by maybe half a
second or so but after leaving them running for 10 minutes the difference
had increased to more than 6 seconds.
Hmm...
Dennis Daniels wrote:
I also wanted to note that in the report Speak broke... well, it
totally crashed my system today and hard. Fedora11 stopped responding
at all after it knee-jerked back to Fedora log in. Serious crash. Not
seen anything like that on a unix machine in a long time. Got some
Dear Educators and Engineers,
To educators:
How concerned are you about a feature that allows one student to invite
others to play on their computer? Remote access is only granted if the
user chooses to share a specific activity. The effect is similar to
letting someone walk over and type on
Luke Faraone wrote:
A malicious attacker can type at speeds which would allow malicious commands
to be injected without the user noticing until it is too late.
Certainly. Also, the system is implemented using GNU Screen, which
permits multiple parallel terminals. This is a very useful
Gary C Martin wrote:
How are two (or more!) remote individuals expected to co-operate and
share the same command line and not mess up?
1. Out of band.
1a. That can mean, for example, a pre-existing understanding of the
purpose of the session. If it's an expert connecting to perform an
Lucian Branescu wrote:
Could you let the invited user in a chroot by default and only allow
full access if the inviting user explicitly allows it?
1. What sort of interface do you have in mind? What is more explicit than
Share with: My Neighborhood?
2. Why a chroot, and not Rainbow?
3. How
Lucian Branescu wrote:
Share with: My Neighborhood is too broad to allow full access. But
Share with: John should be enough to assume that you trust John. Or
instead have a separate option Share with: John (full acces).
Sugar does support direct Invitations for private sharing. I like the
Dennis Daniels wrote:
All my efforts with SoaS, avec et sans screencasting, have been
_disappointing_.
Please report your problems on sugar-devel, so that we can try to figure
out why Strawberry isn't working on your machines.
I think screencasting is a neat idea but the hardware most likely
Luke Faraone wrote:
We were planning to have our second annual board election, and were
wondering if SPI would be willing to hold/host it as a neutral third party.
We would be able to provide SPI with a list of member email addresses, as
well as a list of candidates, and would ideally like a
Russell Brown wrote:
My question is: am I allowed to make money from this?
Yes! The only restriction is the software licenses, which are all GPL or
less, and should have absolutely no impact on a
distribution/support/training business.*
We actively encourage people to start business
Caryl Bigenho wrote:
I'd also like to know if we have an Activity that allows collaborative video
editing?
We do not have any Activity to edit video. However, the obvious starting
point is the PiTiVi video editor, which is still alpha but is very very
close to beta, at which point it will be
Jim Simmons wrote:
I found that when I tried to use my icon with the fill_style variable
in Sugar it displays with no fill whatsoever, so you just see a jumble
of lines instead of an image.
One mistake that I made many times was replacing the fill color with
fill_color. In fact, it must be
Laura Johns wrote:
The idea of running Sugar on the local network is very appealing. The
idea of setting up a server is a pretty daunting prospect. Can I do it?
Would I be allowed to do it? etc.. I would have 16 students max
running Sugar but there could be another 16 or so in the next
Caroline Meeks wrote:
What can she do for a Jabber server.
Does she need one? Sugar has serverless collaboration that works very
well... as long as there isn't too much collaboration traffic for the
network to handle. The maximum number of students seems to vary between
20 and 40, depending on
David Farning wrote:
A couple of time over the last several weeks, there have been some
high level discussions about Sugar Labs technical issues. The most
recent one has been about differing needs of distributors and core
developers.
I don't recall any discussion that matches that
This is just a naming problem. Sugar on a Stick is a generic
descriptive phrase that has been repurposed as a proper noun. This
inevitably leads to confusion, because the two meanings do not agree.
I encourage the developers of the Fedora-derived image to adopt a new
name, to solve this
Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Basically calling Fructose demo activities was just a way to chicken
out. Nobody wanted to impose a fixed set of activities on anyone, or
label non-Fructose activities as less important. All the long-timers
still understand that this is the basic set of activities
Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 06:15, Benjamin M.
Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:
One programming project that would help us is described in
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=495727
Essentially, Firefox 3.5 will ship with beautiful support for Ogg
One programming project that would help us is described in
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=495727
Essentially, Firefox 3.5 will ship with beautiful support for Ogg
Theora+Vorbis video in every webpage, using the HTML5 video tag.
Unfortunately, it will almost certainly be deadly slow
Eben Eliason wrote:
Something we have talked about in the past is a way for individuals to
share content they've created with others, and an obvious means of
accomplishing this task is to provide functionality of a View Alice's
Journal nature, by which Bob could view Alice's shared content.
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Lucian Branescu wrote:
WebDAV is very nice at a first look, but its implementations are so
radically different, that using it across OSes is often hopeless (from
my limited experience).
- From what I've read, Windows's built-in WebDAV support
Martin Dengler wrote:
A killer app might be an App Store for books, with the ability to
access multiple stores. Project Gutenberg could be a store, for
example. Even just Project Gutenberg support in Read would be cool
(Apologies if this is already available and I don't know about it -
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Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
Am 06.04.2009 um 23:28 schrieb David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org:
Last week, I set the rather abstract goal of raising $100,000US for
Sugar Labs. $100,000 seems like a reasonable number for a project in
its second
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício wrote:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2009/Oficina
Could you give an example of a programmable brush? I don't think I know
what you have in mind. Perhaps you could give a Python code example.
This is a good proposal, but you should be aware that
Caroline Meeks wrote:
The good news is FOSSVT isn't all that big. They are expecting about 80
people.
I never operated a jabber server, but from hearsay the problematic
threshold seemed to be closer to 150 or 200 (for the shared roster mode,
which is what we are talking about).
There also
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Jameson Quinn wrote:
Proposal 1: home view: Filtered ring w/ side panels
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Homunq/activity_ring_filters_and_sidepanes
I'm glad that you're thinking about tagging. For all of our talk about
tags, we have yet to
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Jameson Quinn wrote:
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:
The purpose of the Home view is to allow users to launch new, empty
Activity instances in a convenient way. Are you proposing a change
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Luke Faraone wrote:
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Martin Dengler
mar...@martindengler.comwrote:
Interesting but you'd need an X server running on Windows, according
to http://colinux.wikia.com/wiki/XCoLinux (IIUC). So you're still
going to
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Sascha Silbe wrote:
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 09:26:59PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote:
So, the principal difficulty with using coLinux with Sugar is that it
uses
a Windows-side X server, which provides its own window manager. We need
to use
David Farning wrote:
Sorry there was a typo in my last email the site is actually
http://www-testing.sugarlabs.org/
I forcefully object to everything about this website. It is ugly,
off-putting, unnavigable, unreadable, buggy, empty of any helpful
information, and in many other ways among the
Wade Brainerd wrote:
I think the template should be built into and supported by the Sugar
dev team, rather than something that has to be copied around.
I strongly disagree. We should send the clearest possible message that
SWF, a language with no good free spec and no good free interpreter,
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Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
Add Fedora logo to Sugar
This is, I think, a misunderstanding. Kim says Sugar is supposed to
include a fedora logo (they will provide), on the home screen and in the
boot up text. If you look at the Visibility Guidelines
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Gary C Martin wrote:
Just a nit pick, SciPy is much replaced by Numpy though SciPy still
overlaps enough the documentation seems pretty useful.
This is a typo. You mean that Numeric and Numarray are replaced by NumPy.
SciPy is NumPy's sister
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David Farning wrote:
| Would it be feasible for Sugar Labs to set up jabber servers so that
| individual deployments have a zero cost mechanism to collaborate among
| themselves.
Are you referring to Sugar-compatible collaboration servers or generic
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