Re: [IAEP] Logic simulator
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 23:58, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.com wrote: It's a very neat thing. From my point of view, its pedagogical value would very much increase if you could save and share your diagrams. So that one student could build something and give it to others to improve, etc. Or make some classic diagrams, etc. For any activity that produces diagrams, I recommend looking at Gaphas [0]. It's the library used in Gaphor to draw UML diagrams and is very flexible. [0] http://gaphor.devjavu.com/wiki/Subprojects/Gaphas Regards, Tomeu On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Noticed this Flash based logic simulator: http://joshblog.net/projects/logic-gate-simulator/Logicly.html Would be quite a simple sandbox activity to make (python, gtk+, ciaro); but before I burn time (well add to my future todos list), do teachers on this list think it is more than just a geeky play-thing, or does it have educational merit? FWIW: it could do with a few more input/output and processing devices (sensors, buzzers, coloured leds, motors, counters). And, hey if time is no obstacle, perhaps make it a split screen view, holding a physics sandbox with the logic driving/animating simple little motorised constructions. Regards, --Gary ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Cheers, MariaD Make math your own, to make your own math. http://www.naturalmath.com social math site http://www.phenixsolutions.com empowering our innovations ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Logic simulator
At Sun, 3 May 2009 22:09:57 +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Noticed this Flash based logic simulator: http://joshblog.net/projects/logic-gate-simulator/Logicly.html Would be quite a simple sandbox activity to make (python, gtk+, ciaro); but before I burn time (well add to my future todos list), do teachers on this list think it is more than just a geeky play-thing, or does it have educational merit? At that level, it isn't really embarassing to mention that Etoys comes with one of such. The good news with that version is that all the rules are visible to the learner and new parts can be added by themselves. (It is kind of slow on XO, but people can make the graphics small, or just make one on different ideas...) -- Yoshiki ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Logic simulator
Some links to promote exploration: http://www.squeakland.org/download/ - brower plugins are available to run Etoys (Seems to be limited to x86 or i386 for the Linux - Debian download.) With the plugin installed, this link will load the Computer Logic Game project: http://www.squeakland.org/launcher/?http://www.squeakland.org/content/articles/attach/ComputerLogicGame.011.pr --Fred On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima yosh...@vpri.org wrote: At Sun, 3 May 2009 22:09:57 +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Noticed this Flash based logic simulator: http://joshblog.net/projects/logic-gate-simulator/Logicly.html Would be quite a simple sandbox activity to make (python, gtk+, ciaro); but before I burn time (well add to my future todos list), do teachers on this list think it is more than just a geeky play-thing, or does it have educational merit? At that level, it isn't really embarassing to mention that Etoys comes with one of such. The good news with that version is that all the rules are visible to the learner and new parts can be added by themselves. (It is kind of slow on XO, but people can make the graphics small, or just make one on different ideas...) -- Yoshiki ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Logic simulator
On 04.05.2009, at 19:46, Frederick Grose wrote: Some links to promote exploration: http://www.squeakland.org/download/ - brower plugins are available to run Etoys (Seems to be limited to x86 or i386 for the Linux - Debian download.) On the website, yes. Debian has a 64 bit version, too, though it does not yet have the 64 bit sound fix. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Logic simulator
Noticed this Flash based logic simulator: http://joshblog.net/projects/logic-gate-simulator/Logicly.html Would be quite a simple sandbox activity to make (python, gtk+, ciaro); but before I burn time (well add to my future todos list), do teachers on this list think it is more than just a geeky play-thing, or does it have educational merit? FWIW: it could do with a few more input/output and processing devices (sensors, buzzers, coloured leds, motors, counters). And, hey if time is no obstacle, perhaps make it a split screen view, holding a physics sandbox with the logic driving/animating simple little motorised constructions. Regards, --Gary ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Logic simulator
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:39 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Noticed this Flash based logic simulator: http://joshblog.net/projects/logic-gate-simulator/Logicly.html Would be quite a simple sandbox activity to make (python, gtk+, ciaro); but before I burn time (well add to my future todos list), do teachers on this list think it is more than just a geeky play-thing, or does it have educational merit? FWIW: it could do with a few more input/output and processing devices (sensors, buzzers, coloured leds, motors, counters). And, hey if time is no obstacle, perhaps make it a split screen view, holding a physics sandbox with the logic driving/animating simple little motorised constructions. Sounds like a fun project :-) http://sourceforge.net/projects/tlogsim/ is a GTK+ based tool for this - maybe we can reuse it ? Cheers, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Logic simulator
It's a very neat thing. From my point of view, its pedagogical value would very much increase if you could save and share your diagrams. So that one student could build something and give it to others to improve, etc. Or make some classic diagrams, etc. On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Noticed this Flash based logic simulator: http://joshblog.net/projects/logic-gate-simulator/Logicly.html Would be quite a simple sandbox activity to make (python, gtk+, ciaro); but before I burn time (well add to my future todos list), do teachers on this list think it is more than just a geeky play-thing, or does it have educational merit? FWIW: it could do with a few more input/output and processing devices (sensors, buzzers, coloured leds, motors, counters). And, hey if time is no obstacle, perhaps make it a split screen view, holding a physics sandbox with the logic driving/animating simple little motorised constructions. Regards, --Gary ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Cheers, MariaD Make math your own, to make your own math. http://www.naturalmath.com social math site http://www.phenixsolutions.com empowering our innovations ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Logic simulator
Noticed this Flash based logic simulator: http://joshblog.net/projects/logic-gate-simulator/Logicly.html Would be quite a simple sandbox activity to make (python, gtk+, ciaro); but before I burn time (well add to my future todos list), do teachers on this list think it is more than just a geeky play-thing, or does it have educational merit? Gary, thanks for the link, I love it. Yes, I think this simulator does have strong educational merit. It is more than a digital logic simulator, Boolean logic goes further than teaching electronics, it teaches kids to problem solve and to think mathematically. I tried it out on the XO and it works fine (except for the jumpy cursor making wiring tricky) I would question whether it would be worth remaking in Python, the Flash version works well and if internet connectivity was limited, couldn't it just run on a school server? Bill Kerr in his blog, makes the point that the future of educational computing is in thin client netbooks with the smarts at the server end. This idea is reinforced by list discussions on books and book readers, it makes more sense to tap into the world's resources of ebooks than to write books specifically for the sugar platform. Similarly, it makes more sense to tap into the world's resources of simulators and puzzles than to rewrite them for the Sugar platform. If all this is true, then perhaps the focus for Sugar should be on its browser and book reader, making it compatible with the widest range of ebooks and web based simulations as possible. Walter I think has mentioned an unzip activity as a priority, sounds like a good idea, it gives better access to the wealth of educational material already out there on the www. Some more web based simulators, I haven't tried them for Sugar compatibility: http://www.sodaplay.com/constructor/ http://www.biologic.com.au/bugbrain/ http://www.armadillorun.com/ http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/40255643/ http://www.kloonigames.com/crayon/ http://www.acc.umu.se/~emilk/index.html http://www.geogebra.org/cms/ http://mathworld.wolfram.com/topics/AnimatedGIFs.html http://www.fi.uu.nl/wisweb/ Tony ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
