Re: [IAEP] OpenID

2008-08-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:57 AM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a volunteer who runs a small openID business who is willing to help us migrate our logins to openID. This migration has been on our infrastructure todo list for a couple of months. I've been doing quite a bit of

Re: [IAEP] OpenID

2008-08-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO, the XS OpenID work would be very valuable; the others are not really important. Note that all the OpenID discussions around the XS are based on the XO having a modded Browse.xo that does authentication against

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] Fragmenting or providing a foothold?

2008-09-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:13 AM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With this in mind, the goal of creating new mailing lists is not to fragment the existing community. It is to create footholds for other communities to develop around the central learning platform. It's about economies of

Re: [IAEP] Teacher in Uruguay enchanted to see his ideas integrated into global Sugar update [pr mockup]

2008-09-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reactions to my post remind me of the story of the lumberjacks Fantastic story. However, in practice a CMS is often inferior to a wiki in that it appoints keepers. The cook amongst the lumberjacks has to cook daily and

Re: [IAEP] Sad

2008-09-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually have serious doubt about the learning value of some of these activities, even ignoring the problems with ease of use. Facts and real-life practice are a great way to sort these things out. Do get involved in

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] Narrative.

2008-10-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sugar offers an excellent mode for discovery but no excellent way to manipulate narratives. Both discovery and narrative are essential for learning. [1] I am catching up with this. What Bryan writes is correct, but I

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] Sugar Camp Cambridge 17-21 Nov

2008-11-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Brendan R. Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to propose a discussion on making the collaboration a bit more standards compliant. The idea would be to get sugar to function more

Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19

2008-11-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:07 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... lots of interesting things... I'm very happy that the Sugar folks are in town -- under whatever alibi -- and I'm keen on meeting, having a beer together and perhaps talking a few technical things too ;-) After all,

Re: [IAEP] Fwd: [sugar] Closing this list

2008-11-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Should we have a list for each team? per-team lists are IME not so good in the long term. Even splitting users and devel lists usually works against efforts to build a positive community. Organising it by focus topic

Re: [IAEP] Fwd: [sugar] Closing this list

2008-11-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Luke Faraone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We should be careful, however, to avoid conflicts with OLPC lists. I'd rather not have to disambiguate which devel list I am talking about. There are often such overlaps. In cases whether that's prevalent people add a

Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs school server

2008-12-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Bernie Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert is ready to setup a VM and was asking if there's an image we could unpack to bootstrap it. Martin, what would you suggest? Should we just install the 0.5 install ISO?

Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs school server

2008-12-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know what is needed to get the server software to Debian and Ubuntu? Is anybody interested in doing it? I've outlined it several times on server-devel - use the power of the archive... m -- [EMAIL

Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs or Sugar Daddy

2008-12-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
*Big Bold Disclaimer - these opinions are strictly Martin's. No statement here is formal, I'm just waiting for a timing-bug to rear its ugly head.* On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:25 AM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org

Re: [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.83.4 Development Release

2009-01-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: === Journal === Tomeu Vizoso has been doing a wonderful work of bringing the journal implementation closer to it's design.The Object chooser can now be filtered by data type. Cool, between this and the note

Re: [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.83.4 Development Release

2009-01-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Yeah, I recommend rsync'ing the ~/.sugar/default/datastore dir, maybe skipping the index subdir. You have the layout explained here: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/DatastoreRewrite Uhmmm. Ok, then I'll have to

Re: [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.83.4 Development Release

2009-01-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I actually would have appreciated more feedback when I asked for it some months ago. Anyway, I trust this layout change will simplify things for you at the end. Sorry, I probably hid at the sight of Journal rewrite

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.83.4 Development Release

2009-01-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: I meant it should have been optional, but if we switch to using the Closes: header in the body, where we have no size constraints, then we could has well use the prefix consistently. One important note WRT 'Closes'...

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.83.4 Development Release

2009-01-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Well, it's customary to introduce an additional state where the bug is fixed in the developer's intentions, but not yet QA'd: NEW - ASSIGNED - FIXED - CLOSED Bernie, 99% of my commits are working on it, mate ;-)

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, IMO the *only* stable Sugar OS is OLPC XO Software 8.2.0 running on XO or emulator. As far as I know, none of the other distributions has caught up in terms of activity support. FWIW, I am keeping an eye on

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: I am dogfooding a bit with the Fedora SoaS. My Thinkpad X40 ... Excellent news. Here's to more SL'ers doing the same :-) Wearing my XSA hat, I want to get my hands on that second Sugar platform and test interop

Re: [IAEP] RFC: Supporting olpc-ish Deployments - Draft 1

2009-02-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: 6. Questions: * Does this analysis hold water? Seems to make sense, and looks like the strategies are quite rational. * Is there anything we could spend our time on which would yield a greater return on investment?

Re: [IAEP] Adults and Sugar

2009-02-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: Monkey see, monkey do? Heh! That's how *I* learn program! Perl by reading cpan modules, php by working on moodle, bash by hacking on git, erlang by working on ejabberd, etc, etc. -- martin.maca...@gmail.com

Re: [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.84.0 Final Release

2009-03-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: this is the Final Release in our 0.84 development cycle [1]! Thanks to W ho! tomorrow morn - in some 12hs - the Welly testers team will be playing with the latest SoaS, which I understand is the best place to see

Re: [IAEP] format for lessons/content

2009-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: I ran into Jason Cole I know Jason fairly well ;-) and MoaS too. the problem of creating content/lessons for Moodle. Ah, the drama. In an XS/Moodle centric world, just create them in Moodle, and if needed trade moodle course

Re: [IAEP] branding usbdrives == Re: Topics deliverables from Marketing IRC meeting 03-10-2009: Countdown to 0.84 launch! Exceptional meeting today (Friday) at 1600 UTC

2009-04-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:49 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: This will require some degree of control to limit the mis-use of sugar in substandard products. That's a reasonable move. The trick w brands is to show that you control the brands and logos... This means that you are

Re: [IAEP] Planing for Mini Camp

2009-04-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Well, it looks like the Paris MiniCamp is a go for the weekend of May 17 -18, 2009. ... If it's a general (programming and other matters) event, I'll be keen on attending. But the wikipage linked is under

Re: [IAEP] Planing for Mini Camp

2009-04-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 1:11 AM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: It is an event for all!    The original idea for the event was that the developers would have some face to face time to hash out a road map for 0.86. Fantastic. I'll try to be there. I want to make the XS (and

Re: [IAEP] Anyone gotten a 4GB or greater USB stick to work for Sugar on a Stick?

2009-04-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: trying to tease out what all the different failure mechanisms are One failure mode I know of: Most USB sticks come pre-formatted from factory in a funny FAT-16 LBA partition mode and fs format. If you remove the

Re: [IAEP] Anyone gotten a 4GB or greater USB stick to work for Sugar on a Stick?

2009-04-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:06 AM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Ahh, this maybe where some of the confusing behavior we were seeing comes from.  Let me repeat what I think I understand so I can see if I have it right. Pretty close :-) FAT is the same thing as FAT16 Yes...

Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-04-21

2009-04-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Do note though that me and David spent 3 hours on Friday afternoon just to get ejabberd running on a vanilla Ubuntu installation. Your millage may vary but just be aware that it's definitely not a 1-click

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] The User experience/interface for Printing

2009-05-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Albert Cahalan acaha...@gmail.com wrote: That sounds like a printer that students aren't allowed to use. Correct! But may be used seldom, as a special case, prize, etc. And teachers _are_ allowed to print -- while there's a good chance, the computers there are

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] versus, not

2009-05-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 3:03 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Fair enough. I agree that *most* people on the list agree that there is not just one right way. And to use a metaphor that has been oft-spoken in the US news of late, Sugar Labs has to have a big tent. Sugar itself

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] versus, not

2009-05-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Bill Kerr billk...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure what is meant by a big tent Personally, I am building tools so... ... when I look at minsky's theory of mind I see that he supports multiple models of thinking but also argues against models of thinking that he

Re: [IAEP] I have booked a space for Sunday May 16th Sugar Labs meeting

2009-05-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: La Ruche 84 quai de Jemmapes 75010 Paris Tél.:+33 (0)1 48 03 92 00 http://www.la-ruche.net Hmmm. I am a bit lost. Where will the camp be? I thought OLPC-France or someone else there was offering rooms Sat/Sun and maybe even

Re: [IAEP] VIA C3 based laptop

2009-05-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: SoaS boots on the XO, which is also not a i686. The kernel rpm name says i586 IIRC. I think it has a reasonable chance of working on C3s. Actually, I'm probably wrong on this one. Wad reminds me that XS images

Re: [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Bug tracker housekeeping

2009-05-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Submitters: Please go through all the open bugs you have submitted. If BTW, if there's any guidance for the test team in Bxl on how to tag the bugs found against latest SoaS, we'll be happy to follow... This search

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Getting data about the upgrading older machines and SoaS responsiveness.

2009-06-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 7:24 PM, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: When it come to older pcs, it really makes sense to try and use LTSP. We LTSP is an excellent path. Note that a happy LTSP adventure is conditional on a good network infra and a decent TS machine. Wireless won't do.

Re: [IAEP] Which is better for the environment recycling computers or LTSP?

2009-06-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: But we can still think about environmental efficiency.  I think Sugar on a HW is wildly over the map in environmental efficiency and risks. The software is almost incidental -- at its best it can help HW designed to

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: Reading the docs, I think that jidgo will allow the user to download (say) a .iso and a .img (NAND) file by downloading the files that are contained in them and then re-assembling the .iso and .img files? You might

Re: [IAEP] Fwd: An interesting project I stumbled across

2009-06-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Caroline Meekssolutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: We can take this as a specific example.  Lets say we had someone in this thread who though wizzy was awesome and wanted to help? What should that person do? A good start: google for mentions of wizzy in

Re: [IAEP] Who is at LinuxTag this week?

2009-06-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Greg, I will try to be there Saturday/Sunday (ie: after LT, but in time for Fudcon). When is your presentation on education and foss? Will you mention the wild success of Moodle? (Hint! hint!) Educators rave about it, but the geek world doesn't see it as sexy. It doesn't have to be sexy -- it

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] picked up by Gizmodo off of TechRadar: Sugar On a Stick Turns Any Netbook Into Your Very Own OLPC

2009-06-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: http://gizmodo.com/5301939/sugar-on-a-stick-turns-any-netbook-into-your-very-own-olpc 100 views in the first few minutes... The marketing team @ SL is the stuff of legends. Congrats. (I am sure there are significant

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] release is out on eReleases and PR Newswire

2009-06-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hey, it talks about a School Server too :-D (does that mean that Hamilton's patches for registration backup made it into SoaS? m On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Reuters and Yahoo, and a number of print and TV station websites in the US have published from

Re: [IAEP] 3700 download

2009-06-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:30 PM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: The only problem was some slowdowns and a bit a disk churn as the use of swap memory increased. That's usually bad news on a webserver -- if the working set gets too large for ram and apache gets swapped out, your

Re: [IAEP] changes in outlook with Sugar (was Re: Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW)

2009-07-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Alan Kayalan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: We can see this with the XO and OLPC also. Much is made about getting Hi Alan, your answer is very humbling, and talks about solving a huge problem. One that OLPC, Sugar and related projects are just one part of a wider

Re: [IAEP] changes in outlook with Sugar (was Re: Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW)

2009-07-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Martin Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: My preference -- as you can guess now -- is to understand how can we aim for wider tools and approaches that take advantage of social dynamics. These will be perhaps less directly effective in their feedback loop

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] netbook as terminology

2009-07-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Bill Kerrbillk...@gmail.com wrote: Also noticed recently that NN reacted against the netbook terminology: http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2009/07/xo-is-not-netbook.html Negroponte: Kids in Ethiopia don't have the internet in a nearby cloud ... I like the phrase.

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] An Opportunity to bring vital content to the Sugar/XO world - Needs technical help.

2009-07-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Caroline Meekssolutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Or, is this something you think our volunteer programmers should try to reverse-engineer and create for Sugar and the XO? Yes, or more likely for the XS.  My first thought on how to approach it is to rewrite the

[IAEP] Talking about Moodle use in the school

2009-07-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
Sorry for the crosspost. I am hoping to drag people's attention towards an interesting thread in the k-12 forum, about exemplary and interesting use of moodle in high school. It is of course different from our scenarios, but some patterns stand out, and I think they are worth our attention...

Re: [IAEP] The Next Wave of Activity Sharing

2009-07-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: That's what I was trying to explain ;) Though I do see some value in It's a fantastic idea, but I have to concur with Tomeu -- make it work _local_ (with the XS for example, though it doesn't have to be), and from there

Re: [IAEP] The Next Wave of Activity Sharing

2009-07-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Michael Stone michael.r.st...@gmail.com wrote: Could you post a link to that thread or better search terms? It seems rather relevant to my ongoing work... The whole EduBlog: Teacher Review Options thread is informative. Within the search below try - edublog

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] SoaS with SD cards irregularities

2009-08-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Bill Kerrbillk...@gmail.com wrote: Variables include: ... - what is the partition table as printed by fdisk -p /dev/sdX ? - for the main partition on the USB, where the SoaS is stored (a FAT variant?) what are the fs options? (we need the moral equivalent of

Re: [IAEP] Get Satisfaction

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: One of their features is the ability to do single sign to gather more information about the user.  F Here is my idea of how it might work. Once Sugar is registered with an XS we could create a single sign on that

Re: [IAEP] Get Satisfaction

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Luke Faraonel...@faraone.cc wrote: I think it would be useful to expose a (optionally disableable by the school) option within the UI to report a problem, which (after gaining the - If the user can connect to the XS and Moodle (via the AP! using DNS!) - and

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access

2009-08-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: The idea is that the journal would have an actions view that would be closer to what you refer to. Would contain actions that the user carried and events that happened around the user. The Journal as Sugar's documents view

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access

2009-08-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I don't see where we disagree any of us, so maybe I'm explaining badly myself. Let me try again. I agree that the journal should be a journal, thus primarily about actions and events and not about static pieces of data or

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Assessment in Karma

2009-08-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Bryan Berrybr...@olenepal.org wrote: I agree that automatic assessment is no magic cure-all but it does free teachers from a lot of drudgery in grading worksheets. I understand your point, and respect your good intentions. I worry -- quite a bit -- about the

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Assessment in Karma

2009-08-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:14 AM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: We mostly assess that which can easily be measured rather than that which relates to the important education outcomes. Yes. We mostly assess that which can be easily measured _by humans_. Imagine how it goes when we narrow that to

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:22 PM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Eclipse and Apache both have criteria for becoming a official Note that Apache's reason to run this Apache Projects is to _extend the legal protection shield to other projects_. If doesn't care one zot about what the

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Bernie Innocentiber...@codewiz.org wrote: My initial reaction was that community projects work by employing maintainers rather than project managers. Exactly. A PM can only fire you. A maintainer/leader can show his/her priorities in showing areas of focus,

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I don't think we really expect to be repaid, at least my opinion is that it's sad to see so much duplicated work and wasted effort because knowledge is not where it's actually needed. Just that. Completely agree with you.

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Michael Stonemich...@laptop.org wrote: but, unfortunately, I'm now reassured that I'm right that most of the really big interesting Sugar-defining stuff like networking, collaboration, hackability, customizablility, performance, simplicity, security, etc. was

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Bernie Innocentiber...@codewiz.org wrote: +1.  And after dinner we could get a laptop and write down some notes on workable management practices for blessed projects like SoaS. Get onto some coding -- it's more fun and productive than policy-ing :-) m --

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I have interviewed Mr. Stallman several times in the past and will brief him on the current situation. I don't know if he wrote the actual copy in question. It may be more effective to talk with Mako Hill. He is well known by

Re: [IAEP] student guidelines _very_ rough draft

2009-09-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
FWIW, Helen Foster @ Moodle handles that -- according to Google's SoC ppl -- is one of the best-run GSoCs. What I hear from students is that the explicit 'expectations' document is very good guidance. All the docs are -- I think -- interesting: http://docs.moodle.org/en/Category:GSOC as a

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] DB module for moodle in XS server serously coool and needed addittion

2009-09-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 2:56 AM, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: To create a easy reference for linux commands, the best way was to use the Moodle database module. You can create quite elaborate databases which are then easily edited and added to by users.

Re: [IAEP] Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki?

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
What David is saying is true. Current situation - For ease of integration - use Moodle itself, and linux-for-education.org is a good place to do it. There is no other curriki-like moodle instance that I know of. Moodle.org is building an index of such resources though. - IME Curriki is mainly

Re: [IAEP] Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki?

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
Some notes I think may be interesting. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.comwrote: For the Moodle advocates. I am a big Moodle fan. But I don't think its our right now solution for the work we are talking about doing. 1. Our target, elementary school

Re: [IAEP] Where should we put Lesson Plans? Currwiki?

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Thank Martin! Your email really helped me. No prob. I generally agree w your notes, except that reuse is heavily crossed by - languages and dialects - local culture, mores and MoE study programme not sure what

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: Short Term Action Items: * We create a SoaS mailing list. * We establish the SoaS development team. if you split off sugar-dev, to reach the involved people you either have to crosspost all the time, or get everyone

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: We already have de...@lists.laptop.org for OLPC, fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com and others for Fedora, debian-olpc-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org for Debian, ubuntu-sugart...@lists.ubuntu.com for Ubuntu. Why SoaS would be

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: Personally i would just get on with it and let the code do the talking... Produce the best distribution that you can and people will use, respect and protect it. +1. Sebastian -- you have unending respect from both

Re: [IAEP] XO Special interest group at Sugar Labs

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: Seems completely redundant with F11-on-XO and SoaS-on-XO (not to mention debxo and probably others).  I don't see how this is going to do anything but cause fragmentation and confusion. Maybe it is just a new name

Re: [IAEP] XO Special interest group at Sugar Labs

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:06 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: The goal is to provide a place where the various people working But there _are_ people working on this already, and they probably have plans, priorities, etc. Why don't we just let them do their thing? Are they asking

Re: [IAEP] Montessori madness...

2009-10-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: I've been reading Montessori Madness for a few hours now, and I find Another good one is Montessori Today http://www.amazon.com/Montessori-Today-Comprehensive-Education-Adulthood/dp/080521061X The funny thing is that since

Re: [IAEP] Montessori madness...

2009-10-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Martin, can you point to Bryan's theory or give me a hint on search terms to find it? I googled for it too, don't think he's posted anything google-readable. He mentioned it in a couple of presentations at OLPC. Boils

Re: [IAEP] Montessori madness...

2009-10-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Yama Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com wrote: Let me go a step further than Martin.  Anything, including the bestest and newest computer thingie, will fail when the expected enabler is an unenthusiastic teacher. Sometimes. And sometimes it will make an

Re: [IAEP] Some Questions About Setting Up A School Server

2009-10-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Jim needs help setting up a school server. For starters, I referred him to: He has the following questions. what's missing at least in part is network topology and possibilities, especially on the LAN side of the xs.

Re: [IAEP] The Guardian: PlayPower: 1980s computing for the 21st century

2009-11-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/04/playpower-80s-computing-21st-century Interesting. Though the challenge they have -- localising closed src binaries... to non ASCII-using locales -- is rather hard. Hard not to

Re: [IAEP] The Guardian: PlayPower: 1980s computing for the 21st century

2009-11-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr je...@merlintec.com wrote: The non ASCII is a complication, but changing binaries was very popular in Brazil in the 1980s (the copyright law here was only extended to software in 1987). I am argentine, and grew up patching binaries on the

Re: [IAEP] The Guardian: PlayPower: 1980s computing for the 21st century

2009-11-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Yama Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com wrote: Elonex One clones are available right now for about $75 USD in quantities over 100.  They were released original well after the XO 1, and have about similar hardware.  Originally they sold for about $300. Again, probably

Re: [IAEP] The Guardian: PlayPower: 1980s computing for the 21st century

2009-11-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Yamandu Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com wrote: ROFL!!! żte tragaste un payasito? This is not a forum for trolling. And do take note that this work... is serious work for a lot of us. Not for you clearly. I don't think you know much about the strange dynamics of

Re: [IAEP] Sharing EToys projects

2009-12-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: I am working with 140 5th grade students who are using XOs (mostly) and netbooks with SOAS. About 50 of them are using Etoys to create projects. I am trying to find a way to share them with their teachers and each

Re: [IAEP] Sharing work between XOs/SOAS devices

2009-12-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: As our 5th graders are doing more and more work with their XOs, their being able to turn in and share their work products (as opposed to collaborating with others) is becoming more and more important. This is very

Re: [IAEP] hearing impaired education and Sugar

2009-12-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi David, I think the Ceibal / LATU team has also been looking at various accesibility tools for Sugar. I've been talking with them recently about a 'Zoom' tool for kids with limited vision (hoping to post about this soonish) , and I think they've done some work with a screen reader. CC'ing

Re: [IAEP] Need Live CD to take to Argentina

2009-12-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: You got some good replies already, but you may want to consider contacting Gustavo Ibarra or Gonzalo Odiard (cc'ed) who are pushing Sugar in Argentina. My thoughts exactly. Also -- if you're going to be in Buenos Aires,

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Mockup for collab.sugarlabs.org

2010-01-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Collab_mockup I see that you are pointing to Ubuntu's brainstorm, which has a huge overlap with the wiki-ish blueprints and tasks/bugs as tracked in launchpad/malone. Comparing Ubuntu's

Re: [IAEP] dealing with mailing lists

2010-01-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote: Your mail client doesn't collate mails with similiar content and identical Message-IDs? Maybe Gmail has me spoiled, but I'm sure there are ways in other clients... Same here on the gmail spoilage. But naturally not everyone

Re: [IAEP] Video Chat, Video Editing and VOIP activities for Sugar

2010-02-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:33 AM, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.com wrote: Old one http://cinelerra.org/about.php still , also can look at the distros like ubuntu studio . Cinelerra is a quirky beast, designed for high end hw, with lots of UI complexity, abundant unexplained segfaults and

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 08:33 -0500, Gerald Ardito wrote: By the way, how do you upgrade the XOs (we have XO-1s) to .84? This is a very big deal for us. We use a local variant of the F11-XO1 images by Stephen Parrish,

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: If you ask me: our recent F11-XO1 builds have reached equal or better quality than build 801, provided you disable automatic power management. Are all activities working, including collaboration? In Gnome, can you

Re: [IAEP] US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton praises OLPC in South America

2010-03-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima yosh...@vpri.org wrote:  And if she gave an impression to think that giving laptops to children in the disaster-hit country will solve their problems, it would be a political suicide. Do read Hillary's speech. It is actually pretty good, and

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] non-free activities on ASLO

2010-03-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Yes.  We ratified at a SLOBS meeting that non-free activities (or content) should *not* be hosted on ASLO, and attempted to specify what we mean by non-free: I personally think it is very good that free are clearly separated

Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: The short version is that instead of include all Activites by default, we're thinking of shipping very few (6) Activities by default - the ones that help users get further Activities and help I read Sebastian's post... and is

Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with this approach is that it renders SoaS ineffective for new tryers of Sugar (i.e. the overwhelming majority of teachers and parents

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: the real intention is this is where you start But... what's the target user for a this is where you start? Someone who can make their own spin... there's only very few of those target users, and they can help

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: the real intention is this is where you start But... what's the target user for a this is where you start? Someone who can make

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists

2010-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: So what do you see that we are missing to be able to do that? I'll assume you're referring to burning the usb disk. I agree with you -- it's hard to point at any single thing that would make it significantly easier (no

Re: [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: New F11 XO-1build 115 Paraguay

2010-03-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Our short-term goal is to meet a release criteria of no regressions against build 801. Once this is done, we'll re-sync with the latest improvements from our upstreams, F11-XO1.5 and F11-XO1. Bravo. To Stephen, to all

Re: [IAEP] Argentina List

2010-03-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@gmail.com wrote: The Decalogue is a proposal about  how a project 1 to 1 should be, to provide to the ministry of education of the city of Buenos Aires. Its interesting remark that we and 12 associations are developing and signing the

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