Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] SLOB meeting reminder

[devin]

Hi Martin,

If Walter gave you the GNU Cash file I sent him before my leaving the 
board, that has most things properly accounted for up until ~mid-Nov 
2020.


It should not be surprising that "legal" is so high as SL had a large 
expense to become its own organization and then apply for NPO status.


As for receipts, Alex Perez should have access to those. (I never 
received them myself).


I am sorry you are having a bad experience. Thanks for your help thus 
far.


Devin

On 2021-02-17 10:46, Martin Guy wrote:

OK, I thought I'd make this official, hoping that someone may be able
to act better given correct information.

I'm not working on Sugar any more because Cameron first invited me so
enthusiastically and was so helpful, then when I started working (and
I smash rocks) he would never approve any of the working solutions I
found, always raising the bar; at the third iteration, when he was
saying "find and fix the bug in the Xorg's DRI2 nouveau driver and get
it included in Debian and backported to current stable" I gave up.

On another front, there are no accounts for SugarLabs. Walter is
holding the horses but presents accounts with no detail, among which
the major outgoung is "legal", $7000, more than was spent for
developers, and he says "I have no receipts for some of the payments".

At this point, after so many bad awakenings, I dump SugarLabs as an
organization corrupted by ambition (like alsmost all of them!)

I hope the Constructionist vision will survive, but as it depends on
githib.com/* maybe it would be better to make backup and fork

Good luck!

   M

On 16/02/2021, Walter Bender  wrote:

The next meeting of the Sugar Labs oversight board is on Wednesday, 17
February at 19:30 UTC (2:30 PM on the US East Coast).

We agreed to meet in the #sugar room of matrix.org so please be sure
to have a matrix client available. (I use element, which is available
at element.io.)

Please contact me if you have any questions.

regards.

-walter

--
Walter Bender
Sugar Labs
http://www.sugarlabs.org
___
Sugar-devel mailing list
sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel


___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] SLOB meeting reminder

[Martin Guy]

OK, I thought I'd make this official, hoping that someone may be able
to act better given correct information.

I'm not working on Sugar any more because Cameron first invited me so
enthusiastically and was so helpful, then when I started working (and
I smash rocks) he would never approve any of the working solutions I
found, always raising the bar; at the third iteration, when he was
saying "find and fix the bug in the Xorg's DRI2 nouveau driver and get
it included in Debian and backported to current stable" I gave up.

On another front, there are no accounts for SugarLabs. Walter is
holding the horses but presents accounts with no detail, among which
the major outgoung is "legal", $7000, more than was spent for
developers, and he says "I have no receipts for some of the payments".

At this point, after so many bad awakenings, I dump SugarLabs as an
organization corrupted by ambition (like alsmost all of them!)

I hope the Constructionist vision will survive, but as it depends on
githib.com/* maybe it would be better to make backup and fork

Good luck!

   M

On 16/02/2021, Walter Bender  wrote:
> The next meeting of the Sugar Labs oversight board is on Wednesday, 17
> February at 19:30 UTC (2:30 PM on the US East Coast).
>
> We agreed to meet in the #sugar room of matrix.org so please be sure
> to have a matrix client available. (I use element, which is available
> at element.io.)
>
> Please contact me if you have any questions.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> ___
> Sugar-devel mailing list
> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Meeting Reminder

[Dave Crossland]

I've set that up. Thanks for the instructions :)
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Meeting Reminder

[James Cameron]

On Sun, Dec 09, 2018 at 06:35:56PM -0500, Dave Crossland wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 at 09:09, Walter Bender  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 8:04 PM Dave Crossland  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for sharing the logs!
> 
> FWIW, the logs from every meeting are available in the wiki: https://
> wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Minutes
> 
> Thanks for the reminder! 
> 
> However, I don't read them, unless they come across my inbox :) 

Agreed.  Many people are inbox fixated.  When working with those who
aren't willing to satisfy your fixation, there are alternatives.

Add a Wiki account, add e-mail address to it [1], set "Email me when a
page or a file on my watchlist is changed" then add the Minutes page
to your Watchlist [2].

Yeah, too hard.

References:

1.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:Preferences

2.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:EditWatchlist

-- 
James Cameron
http://quozl.netrek.org/
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Meeting Reminder

[Dave Crossland]

On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 at 09:09, Walter Bender  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 8:04 PM Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing the logs!
>>
>
> FWIW, the logs from every meeting are available in the wiki:
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Minutes
>

Thanks for the reminder!

However, I don't read them, unless they come across my inbox :)
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Meeting Reminder

[Jaskirat Singh]

Thanks for it

On Sat, 8 Dec 2018, 19:40 Walter Bender,  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 8:04 PM Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing the logs!
>>
>
> FWIW, the logs from every meeting are available in the wiki:
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Minutes
>
> enjoy.
>
> -walter
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
> ___
> Sugar-devel mailing list
> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Meeting Reminder

[Walter Bender]

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 8:04 PM Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Thanks for sharing the logs!
>

FWIW, the logs from every meeting are available in the wiki:
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Minutes

enjoy.

-walter
-- 
Walter Bender
Sugar Labs
http://www.sugarlabs.org

___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Meeting Reminder

[Dave Crossland]

Thanks for sharing the logs!
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Meeting reminder

[Anmol Mishra]

Acknowledged

On Fri, 2 Nov, 2018, 02:46 Walter Bender  We have our regular meeting of the Sugar Labs oversight board tomorrow
> (Friday), 2 November at 20:00 UTC (4PM on the US East Coast).
>
> Please join us on irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting
> Recall that you must be registered on Freenode in order to attend the
> meeting. See [1] for details.
>
> Among other topics, we will discuss:
> * Google Code In
> * Elections for new board seats
> * Marketing team update
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> [1]
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Google_Code_In_2018/background#Getting_set_up_on_IRC
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
> ___
> Sugar-devel mailing list
> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Jaskirat Singh]

Would be happy to be there.

On Thu, 6 Sep 2018, 5:41 pm Walter Bender,  wrote:

> We will be meeting Friday, 7 September at 20UTC [1] (4PM in Boston) on
> irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting.
>
> Note that there has been a SPAM issue on Freenode of late so you will need
> to register your account if you want to participate. Please see [2].
>
> Among the discussion topics on the agenda:
>
> * GSoC wrap up
> * Music Blocks in Japan
> * GCI particpation
> * Time for a design team meeting?
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> [1] https://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx
> [2] h 
> *https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
> *
>
> First time users:
> /nick YOURNICKNAME
> /msg NickServ REGISTER password yourem...@example.com
>
> Returning users:
> /nick YOURNICKNAME
> /msg nickserv identify YOURPASSWORD
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
> ___
> Sugar-devel mailing list
> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Meeting reminder

[Tony Anderson]

AFAIK there are no proposed motions to be considered at this meeting. 
This should leave ample time for a
financial report and a report from the Translations Community Manager - 
specifically providing an update on the status
of the Yoruba project. Last meeting we gave ourselves the task to 
appoint a Financial Manager. We need to discuss how this

is to be accomplished.

Tony

On 08/05/2016 04:16 AM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:

Hi Guys…

I'll probably have to miss the meeting tomorrow as we are in the 
middle of "Camp Grandma and Grandpa." Our 5-year-old granddaughter is 
keeping us busy (_really_ busy).


See you all next month (if not tomorrow),
Caryl


From: walter.ben...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 18:20:27 -0400
To: sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: [IAEP] [SLOB] Meeting reminder
CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; 
olpc-...@lists.laptop.org


We have a Sugar Labs oversight board meeting on Friday, 5 August at 
19UTC *. Please join us on irc.freenode.net  
#sugar-meeting


Among the discussion topics: Turtle Art Days in Abuja, Asuncion, and 
Montevideo


regards.

-walter

--
Walter Bender
Sugar Labs
http://www.sugarlabs.org

* 
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160805T15=43=Sugar+Labs+oversight+board+meeting=cursive


___ IAEP -- It's An 
Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org 
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep



___
Sugar-devel mailing list
sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel


___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Dave Crossland]

On 30 June 2016 at 06:56, Tony Anderson  wrote:
> I hope Chris Leonard's report will include the present status of his
> arrangements with the Conservancy (is he officially on board, has he been
> paid his stipend for May or for June? I would also like the report to
> include the present status of the Nigerian project. In particular was the
> first milestone met (setup) and payment made?

Chris, I would also like to see any and all material you have prepared
for the blog :)

> I hope that Adam or someone will be able to report on our financial 'month'
> with starting balance, revenue and expenses during the period, and ending
> balance.

Me too :)

> I am opposed to the second motion in the agenda.
>
> My objections are:
>
> (1) The only method to implement a donation is to write a paper check and
> send it to the Conservancy. There is an attempt to provide a 'donate' option
> to the Sugar Labs website, but I believe it has not been implemented.

I do not think that SLOB should be bothered with motions about which
methods of donation are permitted, and which are currently
implemented. That is a matter for Conservancy to decide and its Member
Projects should allow for funds to be accepted to their earmarked
funds with any of those methods; and it is up to the project's members
to implement the methods.

> (2) Such a fund-raising activity should have a target amount. As far as know
> this goal has not been set.

I agree that  fund-raising activity should have a target amount.

You posted a motion on June 4th:

"to undertake a fund raising drive. Arrangements will be made to
enable on-line contributions by PayPal, debit or credit card or other
means. Once the means to make contributions is in place, the Financial
Manager will initiate and lead the drive. The Sugar Labs web site will
show progress in donations toward the goal."

This was not seconded.

Lionel then called for motions to be minimised.

I therefore expect to carry out fund raising activities without making
motions to SLOBs for approval, and without a Finance Manager
appointed, since it seems no one at SLOBs is interested in giving
meaningful feedback on either motions about fund raising or about the
FM position.

I will take into account feedback offered to me by other members.

> (3) I have no problem requesting each member to make a donation in an amount
> they can afford. However, I strongly object asking members to identify
> themselves as not having the means to make a donation of a specfied amount.
> A statement like 'In order to meet our financial goal for the year, members
> should try to donate at least $50 although donations in any amount are
> welcome' would be acceptable.

Sounds good!

> (4) We could identify donors of say $100 or more as sponsors or partners or
> associates or sustaining members, There are many such designations
> available.

Sure

> The 'prominent placement' and 'release codename' are not acceptable without
> clarification.

Cool, when I get there I'll let the community know

> According to Dave Crossland, Caryl Bigenho wants the motion on the Financial
> Manager to be on the agenda. Has she withdrawn her propsoed motion.

No, we haven't heard from her. I have now taken the liberty of posting
the 2 motions with my suggestions which she did not review.
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Walter Bender]

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Tony Anderson 
wrote:

> Hi, Walter
>
> I hope Chris Leonard's report will include the present status of his
> arrangements with the Conservancy (is he officially on board, has he been
> paid his stipend for May or for June? I would also like the report to
> include the present status of the Nigerian project. In particular was the
> first milestone met (setup) and payment made?
>

I've not heard directly from Chris, but I am assuming he'll give an update.

>
> I am opposed to the second motion in the agenda.
>

I am not sure what is going on here. We already voted on the GSoC Stipend
motion and it passed. The membership motion has not been voted on.

I hope that Adam or someone will be able to report on our financial 'month'
> with starting balance, revenue and expenses during the period, and ending
> balance.
>

Me too.

>
> My objections are:
>
> (1) The only method to implement a donation is to write a paper check and
> send it to the Conservancy. There is an attempt to provide a 'donate'
> option to the Sugar Labs website, but I believe it has not been implemented.
>
> (2) Such a fund-raising activity should have a target amount. As far as
> know this goal has not been set.
>
> (3) I have no problem requesting each member to make a donation in an
> amount they can afford. However, I strongly object asking members to
> identify themselves as not having the means to make a donation of a
> specfied amount. A statement like 'In order to meet our financial goal for
> the year, members should try to donate at least $50 although donations in
> any amount are welcome' would be acceptable.
>
> (4) We could identify donors of say $100 or more as sponsors or partners
> or associates or sustaining members, There are many such designations
> available.
> The 'prominent placement' and 'release codename' are not acceptable
> without clarification.
>
> According to Dave Crossland, Caryl Bigenho wants the motion on the
> Financial Manager to be on the agenda. Has she withdrawn her propsoed
> motion.
>

I have heard nothing further from Caryl (or Adam, who was the one objecting
to some of the reporting language in the version of the proposal we
discussed last month).

There are a few other "motions" kicking around that I am trying to get a
handle on before tomorrow.

regards.


> Tony
>
> We have a Sugar Labs oversight meeting on Friday, 1 July at 19:00 UTC (See
> [1]). Please join us on 1rc.freenode.net #sugar-meetring
>
> See [2] for the current list of agenda items.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
>
> [1]
> http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160701T15=43=Sugar+Labs+oversight+board+meeting=sanserif
> [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board#Agenda_items
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>
>
>
> ___
> Sugar-devel mailing 
> listSugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.orghttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>
>
>
> ___
> Sugar-devel mailing list
> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>
>


-- 
Walter Bender
Sugar Labs
http://www.sugarlabs.org

___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[Dave Crossland]

Sorry, I meant the GSOC motion, which Walter said was via private email

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16jIFuZ9bX-Bv675BpA1KmcEcRcX4PRCOUEX0ICRUkOc/edit?usp=asogm
is Caryl's
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[Caryl Bigenho]

I have published the link to this list several times. Am traveling at the 
moment but can send it out again when I get home this evening.

Caryl

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 29 April 2016 at 14:29, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>> Could not see the proposal. Is there a public link?
> 
> I agree, all motions ought to be public :)
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[Dave Crossland]

On 29 April 2016 at 14:29, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> Could not see the proposal. Is there a public link?
>

I agree, all motions ought to be public :)
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[Laura Vargas]

2016-04-30 1:42 GMT+08:00 Caryl Bigenho :

> Please add my motions regarding finances under new business. They will be
> finalized at least 72 hours before the meeting.
> Thanks,
> Caryl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 29, 2016, at 7:35 AM, samson goddy  wrote:
>
>
> Perfect timing!
> --
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:29:23 -0400
> From: walter.ben...@gmail.com
> To: sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org;
> olpc-...@lists.laptop.org
> Subject: [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to
> discuss
>
> Our next meeting will be Friday, 6 May, at 16 UTC.
>
> We have a few outstanding motions and topics of discussion:
>
> * Samson Goody's i18n proposal for Yoruba (See the proposal circulated by
> CJL [1]);
> * Updating to GPL3 license (See discussion thread [2]);
> * GSoC mentor payments: it has been proposed (in a private email) to let
> mentors have access to the stipend paid by Google. We had decided in 2009
> to pool these stipends into the general Sugar Labs funds and had not
> revisited this decision in the ensuing years. At least one mentor has
> mentioned that the money would make a big difference. It seems we could
> accommodate individual decisions on behalf of each mentor as to whether or
> not they keep the stipend or pool it in the general funds, but we should
> discuss it.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/private/slobs/2016-April/003442.html
>
> Could not see the proposal. Is there a public link?

Thanks in advance.

>
>
> [2] https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/685
>
>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
>
> ___ Sugar-devel mailing list
> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
>
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>



-- 
Laura V.
I SomosAZUCAR.Org

Identi.ca/Skype acaire
IRC kaametza

Happy Learning!
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[Caryl Bigenho]

Please add my motions regarding finances under new business. They will be 
finalized at least 72 hours before the meeting.
Thanks,
Caryl

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2016, at 7:35 AM, samson goddy  wrote:
> 
> 
> Perfect timing! 
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:29:23 -0400
> From: walter.ben...@gmail.com
> To: sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; 
> olpc-...@lists.laptop.org
> Subject: [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to
> discuss
> 
> Our next meeting will be Friday, 6 May, at 16 UTC.
> 
> We have a few outstanding motions and topics of discussion:
> 
> * Samson Goody's i18n proposal for Yoruba (See the proposal circulated by CJL 
> [1]);
> * Updating to GPL3 license (See discussion thread [2]);
> * GSoC mentor payments: it has been proposed (in a private email) to let 
> mentors have access to the stipend paid by Google. We had decided in 2009 to 
> pool these stipends into the general Sugar Labs funds and had not revisited 
> this decision in the ensuing years. At least one mentor has mentioned that 
> the money would make a big difference. It seems we could accommodate 
> individual decisions on behalf of each mentor as to whether or not they keep 
> the stipend or pool it in the general funds, but we should discuss it.
> 
> regards.
> 
> -walter
> 
> [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/private/slobs/2016-April/003442.html
> [2] https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/685
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
> 
> ___ Sugar-devel mailing list 
> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[samson goddy]

Perfect timing! 
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:29:23 -0400
From: walter.ben...@gmail.com
To: sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org
CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; 
olpc-...@lists.laptop.org
Subject: [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to  discuss

Our next meeting will be Friday, 6 May, at 16 UTC.
We have a few outstanding motions and topics of discussion:
* Samson Goody's i18n proposal for Yoruba (See the proposal circulated by CJL 
[1]);* Updating to GPL3 license (See discussion thread [2]);* GSoC mentor 
payments: it has been proposed (in a private email) to let mentors have access 
to the stipend paid by Google. We had decided in 2009 to pool these stipends 
into the general Sugar Labs funds and had not revisited this decision in the 
ensuing years. At least one mentor has mentioned that the money would make a 
big difference. It seems we could accommodate individual decisions on behalf of 
each mentor as to whether or not they keep the stipend or pool it in the 
general funds, but we should discuss it.
regards.
-walter
[1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/private/slobs/2016-April/003442.html[2] 
https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/685


-- 
Walter Bender
Sugar Labshttp://www.sugarlabs.org




___
Sugar-devel mailing list
sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel 
  ___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Chris Leonard]

On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 6:03 AM, Sebastian Silva
 wrote:
> Hi Chris,
> I will try to be succinct in answering the questions you raise.

I'm afraid I might have to go on in length to debunk your errors.

> By Walter's apparent vote of no confidence in me and your insistence of
> having done no wrong I realize I will have to work with you if I want to
> get things done.

You certainly don't make easy by continuing to attack people.  One
alternative (as I will lay out below), is to actually do things
yourself rather than complain about others not doing them for you.

> I like to work openly. My problem with your nomination is that you
> already have insisted to set yourself up as a bottleneck, and blocked
> for six months the efforts of Awajún language locale (look for my emails
> to you from Nov and Dec 2014 here):
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2014-November/017104.html
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2014-December/017115.html

Let's talk about me "setting myself as a bottleneck", how exactly is
that possible when the GNU Library of C functions (glibc) and it's
locale effort are open source projects to which anyone can contribute.
Write an agr_PE locale file and submit it according to their community
process.  I will tell you it is not necessarily an easy community to
join actively or to get action from, which is why I have spent a great
deal of my own time gaining their trust through contribution, so that
I might be able to work effectively on behalf of the new language
efforts we encounter with some frequency at Sugar Labs.

Ok, you cite a message from Nov 2014 and one from Dec 2014 to a high
volume list, one that, by the way, is not the "home" of the
localization effort.  You do not replicate my private reply to you in
Feb 2015

"Sorry it has taken so long.  New job.

Let me work on this and I'll get back to you.  I will definitely work
with you to get this submitted in good form to glibc."

Or my delivery of a draft agr_PE glibc locale in another message later
on, followed by your testing and improvement, etc. etc.

I am quite sorry that I was not available at your beck and call when
you wanted me to do something for you, but in no way could I be
interpreted as a bottleneck to you doing it for yourself, and in time,
I actually provided you with the benefit of my expertise (without
cost), purely for the good of the community.  So your major complaint
is that I was not fast enough to do a favor for you.  Somehow, you
think I owed it to you to do work that you assigned to me more
quickly.

Life outside of Sugar does happen. Sometimes it can take more than a
message to a high-volume maiiling list to get someone's attention.
Actually getting someone's cooperation can involve not treating them
poorly on a regular basis until you need something from them.

I will be happy to assist anyone with matters of L10n/i18n as they
relate to Sugar Labs, but I'm not going to pretend that I do not find
some people more challenging to work with than others.  Nonetheless,
the work is the important thing.

cjl
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Sebastian Silva]

Hi Chris,
I will try to be succinct in answering the questions you raise.

By Walter's apparent vote of no confidence in me and your insistence of
having done no wrong I realize I will have to work with you if I want to
get things done.

I like to work openly. My problem with your nomination is that you
already have insisted to set yourself up as a bottleneck, and blocked
for six months the efforts of Awajún language locale (look for my emails
to you from Nov and Dec 2014 here):
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2014-November/017104.html
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2014-December/017115.html

I suppose paying you would warrant we get from you a quality timely
service because it is perceived a paid manager is required to submit
reports on work done.
Perhaps. I don't read you'll quit your day job for this position.
Central control has not worked very well for Sugar Labs and this seems
to me like more of the same. The translation workflow itself (pootle
etc) replicates a centralized mental model.

Sincerely I appreciate every bit of energy you put into Sugar Labs and
would not want to undermine the tremendous contributions you have put
forward in the past and continue to do. Being paid, or not, is
independent of being a volunteer. Even paid, I believe we are all
volunteers here because we do what we love, and every bit counts.

After all these years I know better than to try to go against Walter's
wishes. I hereby withdraw my candidacy for the Translation Manager
position. I look forward to working with you on the aspects of the
position which I have the possibility and inclination to impact the
most, such as revamping our translation pipeline (fixing our tools,
removing bottlenecks), to get Pootle into shape and documenting a fully
offline scenario that will benefit native language efforts the most.

Hopefully we'll see a motion and a vote in this direction soon, and we
can put our differences aside. Apologies for any excess of passion.
Regards,

Sebastian
PS: Please don't read sarcasm in my words, I actively try to avoid it.



On 30/03/16 13:47, Chris Leonard wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Sebastian Silva
>  wrote:
>>
>> On 30/03/16 10:57, Chris Leonard wrote:
>>> Walter put it on the agenda for discussion at the SLOB meeting,
>>> obviously he plans to explain, I don't see why you would expect him
>>> reply to your widely broadcast message at this time, simply attend the
>>> SLOB meeting or read the transcript after and then raise further
>>> questions if you have them.  Two days is not too long to wait and
>>> Walter is a busy guy.
>> After how she was ignored in the last meeting [1] and the fact that the
>> proposal still is NOT in the agenda, I think she has a good reason to be
>> concerned.
>>
>> [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2016-03-04#i_2862389
>
> Sebastian, to quote your wife's e-mail "After a long talk with Edgar,
> I am very worried that you keep asking for funds on his name.".   In
> rhetorical terms, what you are doing is known as misdirection.  I was
> speaking to her expressed concerns about Edgar, not about her  "Sugar
> Translation Projects Fund" proposal.  I did not feel it necessary to
> address that point as Walter's agenda:
>
> Agenda:
> 1. Google Summer of Code status
> 2. Wiki Cleanup Party planning
> 3. Request from Edgar Quispe to attend Traducción e interpretación en
> las lenguas originarias del Perú meeting in Lima
> 4. I18n manager discussion
> 5. Proposal from Samson Goddy re i18n in Nigeria
> 6. YOUR TOPIC HERE
>
> includes an invitation for additional topic to be added (i.e. YOUR
> TOPIC HERE), but perhaps that was lost in translation.
>
>>> As for your speaking on Edgar's behalf about his plans, I think we can
>>> let Edgar speak for himself, he is a long standing member of the Sugar
>>> Labs L10n community and although it is unfortunate that some of the
>>> automated history of his contributions was lost in the Pootle
>>> migration, I can attest for the fact that he has submitted in excess
>>> of 20,000 words of Aymara L10n to Sugar.  The work he has done in
>>> Aymara provides the best model we have of how further funding of L10n
>>> should be done.  The exact terms under which Sugar Labs funded his
>>> work have been widely distributed.
>> Your long email is filled with errors.
> Please be specific, I welcome the opportunity to address any mistakes
> I may have made.
>
>> Please read the following emails (use an autotranslator and ask if you don't 
>> understand, sorry,
>> sugar-devel is supposed to be bilingual) in order to get an idea about
>> the issues surrounding the Aymara translation in Peru. Those emails had
>> Roger Gonzalo the translator hired by the Ministry of Education in copy.
>>
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-June/050416.html
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-June/050449.html
>>
>> In short, no, the Aymara work done last year from Sugar Labs 

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Laura Vargas]

I really hope the proposal for the "Sugar Projects translation fund"
creation makes it to the meeting. All we want is to start working with
clear rules.

Yo realmente espero que la propuesta de creación del "Fondo para traducir
proyectos de Sugar" logre estar en la reunión. Todo lo que queremos es
empezar a trabajar con reglas claras.


Here a peace message for all:
Aqui un mensaje de paz para todos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE-4-CVbmQ4

Blessings

2016-03-31 2:47 GMT+08:00 Chris Leonard :

> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Sebastian Silva
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 30/03/16 10:57, Chris Leonard wrote:
> >> Walter put it on the agenda for discussion at the SLOB meeting,
> >> obviously he plans to explain, I don't see why you would expect him
> >> reply to your widely broadcast message at this time, simply attend the
> >> SLOB meeting or read the transcript after and then raise further
> >> questions if you have them.  Two days is not too long to wait and
> >> Walter is a busy guy.
> >
> > After how she was ignored in the last meeting [1] and the fact that the
> > proposal still is NOT in the agenda, I think she has a good reason to be
> > concerned.
> >
> > [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2016-03-04#i_2862389
>
>
> Sebastian, to quote your wife's e-mail "After a long talk with Edgar,
> I am very worried that you keep asking for funds on his name.".   In
> rhetorical terms, what you are doing is known as misdirection.  I was
> speaking to her expressed concerns about Edgar, not about her  "Sugar
> Translation Projects Fund" proposal.  I did not feel it necessary to
> address that point as Walter's agenda:
>
> Agenda:
> 1. Google Summer of Code status
> 2. Wiki Cleanup Party planning
> 3. Request from Edgar Quispe to attend Traducción e interpretación en
> las lenguas originarias del Perú meeting in Lima
> 4. I18n manager discussion
> 5. Proposal from Samson Goddy re i18n in Nigeria
> 6. YOUR TOPIC HERE
>
> includes an invitation for additional topic to be added (i.e. YOUR
> TOPIC HERE), but perhaps that was lost in translation.
>
> >> As for your speaking on Edgar's behalf about his plans, I think we can
> >> let Edgar speak for himself, he is a long standing member of the Sugar
> >> Labs L10n community and although it is unfortunate that some of the
> >> automated history of his contributions was lost in the Pootle
> >> migration, I can attest for the fact that he has submitted in excess
> >> of 20,000 words of Aymara L10n to Sugar.  The work he has done in
> >> Aymara provides the best model we have of how further funding of L10n
> >> should be done.  The exact terms under which Sugar Labs funded his
> >> work have been widely distributed.
>
> > Your long email is filled with errors.
>
> Please be specific, I welcome the opportunity to address any mistakes
> I may have made.
>
> > Please read the following emails (use an autotranslator and ask if you
> don't understand, sorry,
> > sugar-devel is supposed to be bilingual) in order to get an idea about
> > the issues surrounding the Aymara translation in Peru. Those emails had
> > Roger Gonzalo the translator hired by the Ministry of Education in copy.
> >
> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-June/050416.html
> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-June/050449.html
> >
> > In short, no, the Aymara work done last year from Sugar Labs is not
> > exemplary at all.
>
> Do I detect an attempt at sarcasm in that autotranslator comment?
> That's not at all collegial,  My Spanish is indeed a bit rusty, but I
> muddle through.  When one works in i18n/L10n one must be aware of (and
> sensitive to) the role of language and culture, as well as the fact
> that some things, like sarcasm, do not translate well.
>
> Yes, in June of 2015, I did miss reading two messages posted to
> sugar-devel that had no further on-list follow-up.  I'm afraid my only
> defense to that accusation is that there were 132 messages from that
> list in that month and these two escaped my notice.  In retrospect,
> I'm sorry I missed the opportunity to comment in a more timely manner.
> This doesn't seem to be the right place for it, but the issues you
> raise in those messages do not seem to be either egregious in number
> or all that unexpected to someone with broader L10n project management
> experience, it is part and parcel of the task.  I'm glad that you
> addressed them, but they in no way tarnish the value of the extensive
> work done by Edgar.
>
> > Seeing so many misconceptions from your part and an unwillingness to
> > engage with the actual local community, I am concerned that you may not
> > be the ideal candidate for a Localization Team leader if this will be a
> > paid position. I am passionate about the subject and knowledgeable about
> > its intricacies and have been underfunded for a long time to engage in
> > this work, therefore I hereby announce that I will ask for 

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Chris Leonard]

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Sebastian Silva
 wrote:
>
>
> On 30/03/16 10:57, Chris Leonard wrote:
>> Walter put it on the agenda for discussion at the SLOB meeting,
>> obviously he plans to explain, I don't see why you would expect him
>> reply to your widely broadcast message at this time, simply attend the
>> SLOB meeting or read the transcript after and then raise further
>> questions if you have them.  Two days is not too long to wait and
>> Walter is a busy guy.
>
> After how she was ignored in the last meeting [1] and the fact that the
> proposal still is NOT in the agenda, I think she has a good reason to be
> concerned.
>
> [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2016-03-04#i_2862389


Sebastian, to quote your wife's e-mail "After a long talk with Edgar,
I am very worried that you keep asking for funds on his name.".   In
rhetorical terms, what you are doing is known as misdirection.  I was
speaking to her expressed concerns about Edgar, not about her  "Sugar
Translation Projects Fund" proposal.  I did not feel it necessary to
address that point as Walter's agenda:

Agenda:
1. Google Summer of Code status
2. Wiki Cleanup Party planning
3. Request from Edgar Quispe to attend Traducción e interpretación en
las lenguas originarias del Perú meeting in Lima
4. I18n manager discussion
5. Proposal from Samson Goddy re i18n in Nigeria
6. YOUR TOPIC HERE

includes an invitation for additional topic to be added (i.e. YOUR
TOPIC HERE), but perhaps that was lost in translation.

>> As for your speaking on Edgar's behalf about his plans, I think we can
>> let Edgar speak for himself, he is a long standing member of the Sugar
>> Labs L10n community and although it is unfortunate that some of the
>> automated history of his contributions was lost in the Pootle
>> migration, I can attest for the fact that he has submitted in excess
>> of 20,000 words of Aymara L10n to Sugar.  The work he has done in
>> Aymara provides the best model we have of how further funding of L10n
>> should be done.  The exact terms under which Sugar Labs funded his
>> work have been widely distributed.

> Your long email is filled with errors.

Please be specific, I welcome the opportunity to address any mistakes
I may have made.

> Please read the following emails (use an autotranslator and ask if you don't 
> understand, sorry,
> sugar-devel is supposed to be bilingual) in order to get an idea about
> the issues surrounding the Aymara translation in Peru. Those emails had
> Roger Gonzalo the translator hired by the Ministry of Education in copy.
>
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-June/050416.html
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-June/050449.html
>
> In short, no, the Aymara work done last year from Sugar Labs is not
> exemplary at all.

Do I detect an attempt at sarcasm in that autotranslator comment?
That's not at all collegial,  My Spanish is indeed a bit rusty, but I
muddle through.  When one works in i18n/L10n one must be aware of (and
sensitive to) the role of language and culture, as well as the fact
that some things, like sarcasm, do not translate well.

Yes, in June of 2015, I did miss reading two messages posted to
sugar-devel that had no further on-list follow-up.  I'm afraid my only
defense to that accusation is that there were 132 messages from that
list in that month and these two escaped my notice.  In retrospect,
I'm sorry I missed the opportunity to comment in a more timely manner.
This doesn't seem to be the right place for it, but the issues you
raise in those messages do not seem to be either egregious in number
or all that unexpected to someone with broader L10n project management
experience, it is part and parcel of the task.  I'm glad that you
addressed them, but they in no way tarnish the value of the extensive
work done by Edgar.

> Seeing so many misconceptions from your part and an unwillingness to
> engage with the actual local community, I am concerned that you may not
> be the ideal candidate for a Localization Team leader if this will be a
> paid position. I am passionate about the subject and knowledgeable about
> its intricacies and have been underfunded for a long time to engage in
> this work, therefore I hereby announce that I will ask for this position
> in opposition to you.

Please be specific about any misconceptions on my part.

I must strenuously object to this statement "unwillingness to engage
with the actual local community"  It is entirely unsubstantiated and
frankly offensive.  Is this how you would treat all volunteers to
Sugar Labs if given a funded position?  I feel no particular need to
defend my record of interactions with local language communities
against your entirely unwarranted and self-serving attack.  Shame on
you, you know better, you seem to have let your "passion" get the
better of you.

> For transparency I have been paid ~3300 US dollars by the Ministry of
> Education of Peru for integrating 

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Sebastian Silva]

On 30/03/16 10:57, Chris Leonard wrote:
> Walter put it on the agenda for discussion at the SLOB meeting,
> obviously he plans to explain, I don't see why you would expect him
> reply to your widely broadcast message at this time, simply attend the
> SLOB meeting or read the transcript after and then raise further
> questions if you have them.  Two days is not too long to wait and
> Walter is a busy guy.

After how she was ignored in the last meeting [1] and the fact that the
proposal still is NOT in the agenda, I think she has a good reason to be
concerned.

[1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2016-03-04#i_2862389

> As for your speaking on Edgar's behalf about his plans, I think we can
> let Edgar speak for himself, he is a long standing member of the Sugar
> Labs L10n community and although it is unfortunate that some of the
> automated history of his contributions was lost in the Pootle
> migration, I can attest for the fact that he has submitted in excess
> of 20,000 words of Aymara L10n to Sugar.  The work he has done in
> Aymara provides the best model we have of how further funding of L10n
> should be done.  The exact terms under which Sugar Labs funded his
> work have been widely distributed.
Your long email is filled with errors. Please read the following emails
(use an autotranslator and ask if you don't understand, sorry,
sugar-devel is supposed to be bilingual) in order to get an idea about
the issues surrounding the Aymara translation in Peru. Those emails had
Roger Gonzalo the translator hired by the Ministry of Education in copy.

http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-June/050416.html
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-June/050449.html

In short, no, the Aymara work done last year from Sugar Labs is not
exemplary at all.

Seeing so many misconceptions from your part and an unwillingness to
engage with the actual local community, I am concerned that you may not
be the ideal candidate for a Localization Team leader if this will be a
paid position. I am passionate about the subject and knowledgeable about
its intricacies and have been underfunded for a long time to engage in
this work, therefore I hereby announce that I will ask for this position
in opposition to you.

For transparency I have been paid ~3300 US dollars by the Ministry of
Education of Peru for integrating translations, writing patches for
Sugar, training translators, writing a manual, maintaining Pootle, and
releasing a localized OLPC OS build from Nov 2014 to Jan 2016. The fact
that you take credit for some of this work, is lamentable too.

Any further question from the SLOBs or the translation committee are
more than welcome as transparency is indeed very important.

I will write a proposal and share it publicly as everything in Sugar
Labs should be in the first place.
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Walter Bender]

Hope you are on the mend soon.

FYI,
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2016-03-04

-walter

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Sameer Verma  wrote:

> Apologies for missing the meeting. I came down with the flu. Lost my
> voice as well. Still loopy on meds, but will try to catch up soon.
>
> Sameer
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:
> > We have a Sugar Labs oversight board meeting tomorrow (Friday), 4 March,
> at
> > 16:00 UTC. Please join us on irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting (you can
> > connect through chat.sugarlabs.org). Among the topics of discussion
> will be
> > Google Summer of Code [1] and a report [2] regarding the Translation
> Team.
> >
> > regards.
> >
> > -walter
> >
> > [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2016
> > [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Proposal
> >
> > --
> > Walter Bender
> > Sugar Labs
> > http://www.sugarlabs.org
> >
> >
> > ___
> > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> >
>



-- 
Walter Bender
Sugar Labs
http://www.sugarlabs.org

___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Meeting reminder

[Bert Freudenberg]

On 05.10.2015, at 16:23, Adam Holt  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 7:05 PM, James Cameron  > wrote:
> G'day Walter,
> 
> It has emerged that 23 UTC is not 6pm Boston.
> 
> Could meetings be called using only UTC please?  ;-)
> 
> If so use:
> http://google.com/search?q=utc+time 
> 
> I like Bert Freudenberg prefer to pick 1 real city where many of us Actually 
> Live, whichever one does not matter -- but including that 1 single link 
> (whichever) keeps everyone honest:
> http://google.com/search?q=nyc+time 
> http://google.com/search?q=lima+time 
> http://google.com/search?q=boston+time 
> 
> http://google.com/search?q=montevideo+time 
> 
I’m pretty sure that as an ombudsperson I should step in only when there is a 
conflict ;)

But I’ll say that we have had good experience sending meeting announcements 
with a link to the time web site, showing the desired time as local plus a 
gazillion other time zones. Here’s what it would have looked like for Boston 
6pm:

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=SLOBs+Meeting=20151005T18=43
 


At the bottom it even lists the time in UTC for James ;) 

- Bert -

> On Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 11:00:29AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
> > Tomorrow (5 October) is the first Monday of the month. We will have a
> > meeting at 23:00 UTC (6PM in Boston; 4PM in Managua; 6PM in
> > Port-au-Prince; 7PM in Asuncion; 8PM in Montevideo; 8PM in BA;
> > midnight in Paris; 4:30 AM in Dehli; 10AM (+1) in Sydney).
> >
> > Please join us.
> >
> > regards.
> >
> > -walter
> > --
> > Walter Bender
> > Sugar Labs
> > http://www.sugarlabs.org 
> > ___
> > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel 
> > 
> 
> --
> James Cameron
> http://quozl.linux.org.au/ 
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org 
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> 
> -- 
>   
> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed 
> live @  http://unleashkids.org 
>  !
> ___
> Sugar-devel mailing list
> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel






smime.p7s
Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Meeting reminder

[Caryl Bigenho]

Bert's suggestion is an excellent one. It would eliminate problems with 
daylight saving time as well.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2015, at 12:04 AM, Bert Freudenberg  wrote:
> 
>> On 05.10.2015, at 16:23, Adam Holt  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 7:05 PM, James Cameron  wrote:
>>> G'day Walter,
>>> 
>>> It has emerged that 23 UTC is not 6pm Boston.
>>> 
>>> Could meetings be called using only UTC please?  ;-)
>> 
>> If so use:
>> http://google.com/search?q=utc+time
>> 
>> I like Bert Freudenberg prefer to pick 1 real city where many of us Actually 
>> Live, whichever one does not matter -- but including that 1 single link 
>> (whichever) keeps everyone honest:
>> http://google.com/search?q=nyc+time
>> http://google.com/search?q=lima+time
>> http://google.com/search?q=boston+time
>> http://google.com/search?q=montevideo+time
> 
> I’m pretty sure that as an ombudsperson I should step in only when there is a 
> conflict ;)
> 
> But I’ll say that we have had good experience sending meeting announcements 
> with a link to the time web site, showing the desired time as local plus 
> a gazillion other time zones. Here’s what it would have looked like for 
> Boston 6pm:
> 
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=SLOBs+Meeting=20151005T18=43
> 
> At the bottom it even lists the time in UTC for James ;) 
> 
> - Bert -
> 
>>> On Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 11:00:29AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
>>> > Tomorrow (5 October) is the first Monday of the month. We will have a
>>> > meeting at 23:00 UTC (6PM in Boston; 4PM in Managua; 6PM in
>>> > Port-au-Prince; 7PM in Asuncion; 8PM in Montevideo; 8PM in BA;
>>> > midnight in Paris; 4:30 AM in Dehli; 10AM (+1) in Sydney).
>>> >
>>> > Please join us.
>>> >
>>> > regards.
>>> >
>>> > -walter
>>> > --
>>> > Walter Bender
>>> > Sugar Labs
>>> > http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>> > ___
>>> > Sugar-devel mailing list
>>> > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>> 
>>> --
>>> James Cameron
>>> http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>>> ___
>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org !
>> ___
>> Sugar-devel mailing list
>> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Meeting reminder

[Sebastian Silva]

On 06/10/15 16:51, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
> Bert's suggestion is an excellent one. It would eliminate problems
> with daylight saving time as well.
+1 I've missed slobs meetings at least twice because of this.

-- 
I+D SomosAzucar.Org
"icarito" #somosazucar en Freenode IRC
"Nadie libera a nadie, nadie se libera solo. Los seres humanos se liberan en 
comunión" - P. Freire

___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Meeting reminder

[James Cameron]

On Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 12:03:47AM -0700, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> At the bottom it even lists the time in UTC for James ;) 

Heh.  It wasn't me.  I'm only observing.  I had used the Boston time,
because I'm used to it.  It was someone else who came late, at 23 UTC,
after people had left the meeting room.

-- 
James Cameron
http://quozl.linux.org.au/
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Meeting reminder

[James Cameron]

G'day Walter,

It has emerged that 23 UTC is not 6pm Boston.

Could meetings be called using only UTC please?  ;-)

On Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 11:00:29AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
> Tomorrow (5 October) is the first Monday of the month. We will have a
> meeting at 23:00 UTC (6PM in Boston; 4PM in Managua; 6PM in
> Port-au-Prince; 7PM in Asuncion; 8PM in Montevideo; 8PM in BA;
> midnight in Paris; 4:30 AM in Dehli; 10AM (+1) in Sydney).
> 
> Please join us.
> 
> regards.
> 
> -walter
> -- 
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> ___
> Sugar-devel mailing list
> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

-- 
James Cameron
http://quozl.linux.org.au/
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Meeting reminder

[Adam Holt]

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 7:05 PM, James Cameron  wrote:

> G'day Walter,
>
> It has emerged that 23 UTC is not 6pm Boston.
>
> Could meetings be called using only UTC please?  ;-)
>

If so use:
http://google.com/search?q=utc+time

I like Bert Freudenberg prefer to pick 1 real city where many of us
Actually Live, whichever one does not matter -- but including that 1 single
link (whichever) keeps everyone honest:
http://google.com/search?q=nyc+time
http://google.com/search?q=lima+time
http://google.com/search?q=boston+time
http://google.com/search?q=montevideo+time

On Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 11:00:29AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
> > Tomorrow (5 October) is the first Monday of the month. We will have a
> > meeting at 23:00 UTC (6PM in Boston; 4PM in Managua; 6PM in
> > Port-au-Prince; 7PM in Asuncion; 8PM in Montevideo; 8PM in BA;
> > midnight in Paris; 4:30 AM in Dehli; 10AM (+1) in Sydney).
> >
> > Please join us.
> >
> > regards.
> >
> > -walter
> > --
> > Walter Bender
> > Sugar Labs
> > http://www.sugarlabs.org
> > ___
> > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>
> --
> James Cameron
> http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
> --
> 
> 
> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @
> http://unleashkids.org !
>
___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[samson goddy]

I can't make it due to my time But i will view the logs tomorrow.

 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 11:52:19 -0400
 From: walter.ben...@gmail.com
 To: sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org
 CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; 
 olpc-...@lists.laptop.org
 Subject: [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder
 
 We meet today at 24:00 (UTC); 20:00 (BOSTON, ASUNCION); 10:00+1
 (SIDNEY); 21:00 (MONTEVIDEO, BUENOS AIRES), 19:00 (BOGOTA); 18:00
 (MANAGUA)
 
 To discuss, among other topics:
 * board election
 * liaison to SFC
 * website
 
 Looking forward to seeing you these.
 
 regards.
 
 -walter
 
 -- 
 Walter Bender
 Sugar Labs
 http://www.sugarlabs.org
 ___
 Sugar-devel mailing list
 sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
  ___
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep