Re: Verbatim Copy of Unloaded PDS

2006-09-11 Thread R.S.
Paul Gilmartin wrote: I want to make verbatim copies of some IEBCOPY-unloaded PDSes, verifiable by checksum to satisfy administrative concerns. Since IEBCOPY will copy PDSU-to-PDSU, I thought it was the logical choice, since IEBCOPY understands the format of PDSes, both resident and unloaded.

Re: Mod-9 or Mod-27 for JES2 spool dataset(s).

2006-09-11 Thread R.S.
Richbourg, Claude wrote: Good morning all, I am pondering the difference, (Performance-Disaster Recovery-More/Less volumes), for JES2 spool datasets. We are at z/OS 1.7 in one dev LPAR and I am starting the cloning/building process for our production LPAR. We are a mid-size shop with

Display size of a PDS member

2006-09-11 Thread Jeff Guan
Hi ALL, Use P.3.4 to have a look at member list in PDS. In some PDS, you can see there member size, but some are not. How to add or show all member's size in a PDS? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: ftp time problem

2006-09-11 Thread TISLER Zaromil
skip The STDENV dataset (which has to be a RECFM=VB and possibly LRECL=256). I support a number of systems which are country specific but share the same configuration files so I decided to use an MVS symbol for TZ. The symbols correspond to the military/aviation timezone codes for Central

Re: Display size of a PDS member

2006-09-11 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:05:03 -0500 Jeff Guan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :Hi ALL, :Use P.3.4 to have a look at member list in PDS. In some PDS, you can see :there member size, but some are not. :How to add or show all member's size in a PDS? There ain't nothing native in the PDS directory that

Re: FW: Fatuities (was 'Another BIG mainframe . . . ')

2006-09-11 Thread Phil Smith III
Tom_Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are saying that XP is four orders of magnitude more stable than 3.1? That means on the order of 10,000 times better. It's not. Yeah yeah, ok, not a full order of magnitude but you knew what I meant. Sheesh. ...phsiii

SPC?

2006-09-11 Thread Víctor de la Fuente
Hello! I have just seen in an APAR the term SPC (System Programmer's C). What is it? I'm sure I should know it, I'm sorry... Thank you very much! Víctor. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,

Re: FW: Fatuities (was 'Another BIG mainframe . . . ')

2006-09-11 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:34:48 -0400, Phil Smith III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are saying that XP is four orders of magnitude more stable than 3.1? That means on the order of 10,000 times better. It's not. Yeah yeah, ok, not a full order of magnitude but you knew what I meant. Sheesh. Yeah,

FW: HFS Vs ZFs

2006-09-11 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Multi file system zfses are not going to be supported in a future release of z/OS. Don't go there. Jon Jon L. Veilleux [EMAIL PROTECTED] (860) 636-2683 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Sunday, September

Temporarily Stopping IBM-MAIN E-Mails

2006-09-11 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Is there a way to temporarily suspend getting E-Mails from the list server or do I have to unsubscribe while I am on vacation? Thanks, Jon Jon L. Veilleux [EMAIL PROTECTED] (860) 636-2683 - This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged

Re: Temporarily Stopping IBM-MAIN E-Mails

2006-09-11 Thread Daniel A. McLaughlin
Go to the controlling page and you can turn it off. I did recently, but don't remember exact steps. Daniel McLaughlin ZOS Systems Programmer Crawford Company PH: 770 621 3256 * Veilleux, Jon L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU

Is it possible to prevent a structure into a particular CF (Coupling Facility)?

2006-09-11 Thread Jan Vanbrabant
Hi, We are doing a GDPS pre-study. On Site-1 we have 2 footprints with 2 (I)CFs, running production. Disks are PPRC connected to the disaster recovery (DR) site: Site-2. GDPS requires a K-sys (controlling system) at Site-2, preferably with a CF, and making part of the SAMEe (production) sysplex

Re: Temporarily Stopping IBM-MAIN E-Mails

2006-09-11 Thread Shane
On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 07:33 -0400, Veilleux, Jon L wrote: Is there a way to temporarily suspend getting E-Mails from the list server or do I have to unsubscribe while I am on vacation? Send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: SET IBM-MAIN NOMAIL. When you get back, use MAIL Just

Re: Attends Orlando IBM EXPRO OCT 7

2006-09-11 Thread John P Kalinich
Is the z/OS Expo version of SCIDS 99.% as boring as it was in Baltimore? Pinnacle [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Is it possible to prevent a structure into a particular CF (Coupl ing Facility)?

2006-09-11 Thread R.S.
Jan Vanbrabant wrote: Hi, We are doing a GDPS pre-study. On Site-1 we have 2 footprints with 2 (I)CFs, running production. Disks are PPRC connected to the disaster recovery (DR) site: Site-2. GDPS requires a K-sys (controlling system) at Site-2, preferably with a CF, and making part of the

Re: Is it possible to prevent a structure into a particular CF (C oupl ing Facility)?

2006-09-11 Thread TISLER Zaromil
snip You answered yourself. PREFLIST. In case of further investigation: you can have multiple CFRM policies with different PREFLISTs. snip Assuming it is a GRS star: if he loses site1 with a CFRM policy without a site2 CF, he loses the controlling system, too. That is surely a disadvantage.

Re: Is it possible to prevent a structure into a particular CF (Coupling Facility)?

2006-09-11 Thread Paolo Cacciari
Jan wrote: ...snip Is there a way to *prevent* that structures will be put into this 3-rd CF at DR site-2 in *NORMAL OPERATION mode*, i.e. when the whole production is running in site-1? We think it can't be accomplished with just specifying the PREFLIST, listing the preference order of CFs that

Re: Absolute value packed decimal in SyncSort

2006-09-11 Thread Schneiderwent, Craig
Oh, I forgot about bit notation. To ignore the sign nibble (last 4 bits), you'd want to use 2.4 (2 bytes and 4 bits) instead of 2.5. Thanks for catching my error. Good to have corrections in the archives. And now I'm not likely to make that mistake again.

Re: Display size of a PDS member

2006-09-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:25:16 +0300, Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:05:03 -0500 Jeff Guan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :Hi ALL, :Use P.3.4 to have a look at member list in PDS. In some PDS, you can see :there member size, but some are not. :How to add or show all

Re: Attends Orlando IBM EXPRO OCT 7

2006-09-11 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 09/11/2006 at 06:54 EST, John P Kalinich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the z/OS Expo version of SCIDS 99.% as boring as it was in Baltimore? Since the System z Expo doesn't have the moral equivalent of SCIDS, you can't really compare. Like SHARE it does have a couple of

Re: HFS Vs ZFs

2006-09-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:37:01 -0500, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:40:18 -0400, Bruce Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HFS datasets hold a single USS file system, while zFS can hold multiple file systems. Didn't I see a recommendation from IBM a year or two ago not

Re: Move VSAM DS w/ 8 Components or more

2006-09-11 Thread Greg Shirey
Mark, In ISMF, page 5 of the Data Set Selection Entry Panel will allow for selecting only clusters. The prompt is Entry Type - put EQ for Rel Op and CLUSTER for the value. Of course, this list will be limited by the values chosen on the first panel (Volume or Catalog Name). HTH, Greg Shirey

Re: Is it possible to prevent a structure into a particular CF (Coupling Facility)?

2006-09-11 Thread Jan Vanbrabant
Re. Paolo Cacciari saying: Obviously, I assume that your Data Centers are not involved in a Dispersed Parallel Sysplex. It *IS* about a GDPS config, Paolo, with the K-sys controlling system in the C/R site. Jan - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: Paolo Cacciari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: How to find source of JES2 change

2006-09-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 20:01:56 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:32 -0500 on 09/08/2006, Tom Marchant wrote about Re: How to find source of JES2 change: On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 12:36:31 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look like an idea for a JES Mod or

Re: Is it possible to prevent a structure into a particular CF (Coupling Facility)?

2006-09-11 Thread Paolo Cacciari
Jan wrote: It *IS* about a GDPS config, Paolo, with the K-sys controlling system in the C/R site. Jan ...snip Jan, in this case, assuming that the only active system in the D/R site is K-sys, what I suggested is still applicable .

Re: FW: Fatuities (was 'Another BIG mainframe . . . ')

2006-09-11 Thread Robert Lawrence
BINARY order of magnitude? :) Bob Lawrence DBA Boscovs Dept Stores LLC -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FW: Fatuities (was 'Another

Is no one reading the article?

2006-09-11 Thread Phil Payne
MVS runs on the bare metal. Wanna buy a bridge? -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the

Re: zFS Performance - Working as designed?

2006-09-11 Thread Bruce Black
As the underlying access method for HFS is PDSE, No longer true. At one time, PDSE and HFS shared a lot of code, but they were separated quite a few years ago. But it is probably true that a bug in PDSE could show up in HFS, and vice versa. -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for

Re: HFS Vs ZFs

2006-09-11 Thread John Eells
Tom Marchant wrote: On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:40:18 -0400, Bruce Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HFS datasets hold a single USS file system, while zFS can hold multiple file systems. Didn't I see a recommendation from IBM a year or two ago not to put multiple file systems into a zFS? A

SET IBM-MAIN NOMAIL

2006-09-11 Thread Rick Combest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/11/06 7:43 AM On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 07:33 -0400, Veilleux, Jon L wrote: Is there a way to temporarily suspend getting E-Mails from the list server or do I have to unsubscribe while I am on vacation? Send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: SET IBM-MAIN NOMAIL.

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

2006-09-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/10/2006 at 09:09 AM, Clark F Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: What models and was it other than just data and instruction? Burroughs: B6500, B6700, B7500, B7800, etc. The tag bits constrained how a word was interpreted for both data and instructions. RCA: CDP, 601.

Re: Display size of a PDS member

2006-09-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/11/2006 at 04:05 AM, Jeff Guan [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Use P.3.4 to have a look at member list in PDS. In some PDS, you can see there member size, but some are not. You can display ISPF statistics and load module directory information, but not the actual module

Re: HFS Vs ZFs

2006-09-11 Thread Brian France
Okay, I know (hope) I'll see this in the manual, but would like to ask ahead of time. IF HFS is indeed going away and zFS is the way to go, does that mean there is a shared zFS ala HFS? At 11:47 AM 9/11/2006, you wrote: Tom Marchant wrote: On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:40:18 -0400, Bruce Black

Re: Are posts from Annie and Leon Wheeler a bot or something?

2006-09-11 Thread Jon Brock
Gee, in one of his replies to Phil Payne, he mentions one of your articles and links to the Isham Research web site. Seems human enough to me. If it's a bot, it's good enough to pass a Turing test. Jon snip However Anne or Lynn could answer us confirm or deny. Lynn ? Can you answer us,

Re: P series Vs Z9-109 series

2006-09-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/09/2006 at 06:37 PM, Tommy Tsui [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Is it possible to consolidate all P-series machine into a single Z9-109 machine .. ... how about i-series You'd have to rewrite your workload. Each platform supports unique instruction architectures and unique

Re: Storage Tags (was: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust)

2006-09-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/10/2006 at 01:04 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Didn't such tagging extend to data types, fixed vs. floating, so an attempt to perform a floating point operation on a fixed point field was detected as an error? For the B6500 and descendants in

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

2006-09-11 Thread Clark F Morris
On 11 Sep 2006 09:01:16 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/10/2006 at 09:09 AM, Clark F Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: What models and was it other than just data and instruction? Burroughs: B6500, B6700, B7500, B7800, etc. The tag bits constrained how a

Re: Storage Tags (was: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust)

2006-09-11 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:38:03 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... For the B6500 and descendants in distinguished among, e.g., single precision, double precision, code and various types of descriptors. ... Requires a paradigm shift Much more than just that

Re: zFS Performance - Working as designed?

2006-09-11 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 07:45:00 +0200, Barbara Nitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, Are you using UNIX System Services heavily ?? Yes. What for ?? Corporate email (Lotus Domino), some websphere - application server, business integration message broker,... Thanks Barbara, I'm going to go with

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

2006-09-11 Thread Eric N. Bielefeld
Uh Oh! The dreaded ancient computer history thread has evolved again. And to think that I started it too. Eric Bielefeld Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer Milwaukee Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Clark F Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Burroughs: B6500, B6700, B7500, B7800,

Re: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust

2006-09-11 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
Telefunken TR4 and TR440, which had two tag bits for each 48 bit word of storage. The bits where represented in the registers, too. The meaning was 0 - binary floating point 1 - binary fixed point 2 - instructions 3 - other, like decimal or char Some instructions, like Load (in German: B =

Re: Storage Tags (was: Another BIG Mainframe Bites the Dust)

2006-09-11 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
The Telefunken machines I mentioned in the other post also were designed with ALGOL in mind. Someone once called the TR4 a hardware representation of ALGOL. I wouldn't go this far, but indeed there are lots of machine instructions inspired by ALGOL logic (and ALGOL compiler's needs). I have a

Re: zFS Performance - Working as designed?

2006-09-11 Thread Ken Porowski
IIRC if you install via ServerPac you have the option of specifying HFS or ZFS only for those files that will allow it. I just installed z/OS 1.6 and went with zFS on everything except a COBOL filesystem. User filesystems are still HFS but I'll tackle that later. Ken Porowski AVP Systems

Re: Are posts from Annie and Leon Wheeler a bot or something?

2006-09-11 Thread tony babonas
Whatever their site is I'm deeply envious of how comprehensive its contents are. The design must be such that: 1. It's readily update-able. 2. It's readily search-able, in that a reference to the 1978 version of the ABC Frammis get quoted rather instantly. 3. Seeming non-redundant, though I

Re: Jeers: KEY8 CSA storage still using

2006-09-11 Thread Peter Gooley
and.. nope.. my mistake.. that was for a different issue with CSA.. should have double checked with the person who told me... This fix is still in the works... Sorry Sam... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: zFS Performance - Working as designed?

2006-09-11 Thread Len Rugen
I use a sysres cloning process for service. For HFS style root I use the 2 step DFDSS copy and restore. Can I just repro the ZFS VSAM files? If not, what is the process? I manually converted a root using the dialog process, but I don't want to have to do that each time. Thanks --- [This

Re: zFS Performance - Working as designed?

2006-09-11 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:47:00 -0400, Ken Porowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: User filesystems are still HFS but I'll tackle that later. Assuming your automount policy creates an HFS for new users, you can simply change it to create a zFS. Automount will figure out which it is and mount

Re: HFS Vs ZFs

2006-09-11 Thread Edward Jaffe
Brian France wrote: Okay, I know (hope) I'll see this in the manual, but would like to ask ahead of time. IF HFS is indeed going away and zFS is the way to go, does that mean there is a shared zFS ala HFS? Who said HFS was going away? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc

Re: SPC?

2006-09-11 Thread Edward Jaffe
Víctor de la Fuente wrote: I have just seen in an APAR the term SPC (System Programmer's C). What is it? http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/CBCPG170/1.1.11 -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045

Re: HFS Vs ZFs

2006-09-11 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 9/11/2006 10:04:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who said HFS was going away? You did! Not true. zFS is the replacement for HFS, which has been stabilized. -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: HFS Vs ZFs

2006-09-11 Thread Edward Jaffe
Ed Finnell wrote: In a message dated 9/11/2006 10:04:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who said HFS was going away? You did! Not true. zFS is the replacement for HFS, which has been stabilized. I might very well have accurately stated that HFS has been

SHARE attendance

2006-09-11 Thread Ed Gould
Anyone have the number for attendance of SHARE in Baltimore? Someone emailed me offline and said it was low. Can anyone confirm/ clarify the numbers? Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send

Jcl

2006-09-11 Thread Brain
Hello I have a requirement in which based on the day we need to execute the step ie for eg if it is monday then we need to execute the sep2 or else or other days we need to skip this step and execute the other step/ Please any one how this can be coded in the jcl

Fw: Non-SMP/e packaging

2006-09-11 Thread Shane Ginnane
Forwarded to the list - Russ, can you change you return address please ???. I would think my opinions on non-SMP delivery should be well known. IMHO CA-1 has been very good with regard to SMP for quite a while now. Somewhat of a beacon in that corporation. If it (unloaded, non-SMP delivery)

Non-SMP/e packaging

2006-09-11 Thread Russell Witt
I had a request from a client today, asking when CA-1 would stop being delivered in SMP/e format and would be a simple library-download. From my other talks with clients, I thought everyone wanted products delivered in SMP/e format. And this was the first time I had seen a request to go backwards

Re: Jcl

2006-09-11 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Write your self a program (rexx, clist, asm etc.) that will run as step-1 and will generate a return code based on the day of week. the rest of the job will be conditioned on this step RC. Itschak -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On