How Many Mainframes Do You Need?

2009-03-23 Thread Richards, Robert B.
It has been awhile since someone has referenced the Mainframe site: http://mainframe.typepad.com/ Timothy Sipples has placed a nice post out there called How Many Mainframes Do You Need? It is worth the read, even for us old, crusty types who sometime forget we didn't always know

Re: How Many Mainframes Do You Need?

2009-03-23 Thread Bob Shannon
Q: How many telephone poles does it take to reach the moon? A: One if it's long enough. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the

Re: How Many Mainframes Do You Need?

2009-03-23 Thread Daniel McLaughlin
Then there is the server world concept: How many chickens does it take to run your business. Daniel McLaughlin Z-Series Systems Programmer Information Communications Technology Crawford Company 4680 N. Royal Atlanta Tucker GA 30084 phone: 770-621-3256 fax: 770-621-3237 cell:

Re: How Many Mainframes Do You Need?

2009-03-23 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Daniel McLaughlin Then there is the server world concept: How many chickens does it take to run your business. Turkeys might have more impact :-) -jc-

Re: How Many Mainframes Do You Need?

2009-03-23 Thread Shane
The more the better ... Unfortunately a shrinking pond is ultimately going to do none of us any good. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the

New free technical paper: The Arc of DB2 - Using DB2 to work the World Wide Web

2009-03-23 Thread Steve Comstock
This free technical paper discusses LOBs, Unicode, and XML as they apply to DB2 V9.1, and how you might use these facilities in conjunction with serving Web pages from your z/OS system. Brief highlights of other features of DB2 V9.1 are also mentioned in passing. You can find this paper (and

Question on creating a maint pack

2009-03-23 Thread larry macioce
I want to copy my sysres pack to an empty vol. I know I need to clip itthe new pack, but can I then just do a pack to pack copy or will I have to dump the sysres pack then restore to the new pack?Also if I have to dump it, will I need to do a logical dump so I can preserve the volser of the maint

IEE252I MSG's

2009-03-23 Thread Matt Dazzo
z1.9 is up and running in our sandbox, currently using all HFS and no zFS files systems. I noticed that every hour on the hour I get msg's below on the system log. I searched IBM and found APAR Identifier .. OA17269 but that relates to zFS files systems. Anyone else getting these msg's with

Re: IEE252I MSG's

2009-03-23 Thread Lizette Koehler
On my z/OS V1.9 system I only see these messages at IPL time. They are not there any other time. You may need to talk to IBM about this. Unless you have some automation in place refreshing your Unix envrionment that often. Lizette z1.9 is up and running in our sandbox, currently using

Question on creating a maint pack

2009-03-23 Thread larry macioce
I want to copy my sysres pack to an empty vol. I know I need to clip it, but can I then just do a pack to pack copy to will I have to dump it then restore to the new pack?Also if I have to dump it, will I need to do a logical dump so I can preserve the volser? thanks In advance

Re: IEE252I MSG's

2009-03-23 Thread Jousma, David
Matt, Can you paste the entire message including all the data that is to the left of the message ID from SYSLOG? Might help to determine what is generating that message. Could be Health Checker, or something else. _ Dave Jousma

Re: Screen size (was 3270 emulator cost)

2009-03-23 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:16:03 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: Mark Zelden wrote: From the ISPF User Guide Vol II, this is the official support statement: 2.1.2 Terminal characteristics 1. ISPF supports screen sizes from 24 x 80 characters to 62 x 160 characters. That's not an official support

Re: IEE252I MSG's

2009-03-23 Thread Matt Dazzo
Dave, here you go. At this time there is no automation up and running. Thanks N 000 SYS1 09082 10:41:45.91 0290 IEE252I MEMBER BPXPRMZ9 FOUND IN SYS1.PARMLIB N 000 SYS1 09082 10:41:46.04 0290 IEE252I MEMBER BPXPRM00 FOUND IN SYS1.PARMLIB Jousma,

question about creating a maint pack

2009-03-23 Thread larry macioce
I want to copy my sysres pack to an empty vol. I know I need to clip it, but can I then just do a pack to pack copy to will I have to dump it then restore to the new pack? Also if I have to dump it, will I need to do a logical dump so I can preserve the volser? thanks In advance

Re: How Many Mainframes Do You Need?

2009-03-23 Thread Skip Robinson
The thrust of my z10 User Experience segment in Austin is that it's time to rethink the 'classic' mainframe configuration. Insistence on multiple CECs to provide 'adjacent' failover in case of planned or unplanned outages leads to chronic problems of load balancing. A single machine that (1) you

Re: Question on creating a maint pack

2009-03-23 Thread Kevin Mckenzie
You can do a pack-to-pack copy. We do it all the time. If you want to IPL off of it, you'll need to make sure your catalog will allow that. --- Kevin McKenzie External Phone: 845-435-8282, Tie-line: 8-295-8282 z/OS BCP SVT, Dept FXKA, Bldg 706/2D38 larry macioce mace1...@gmail.com Sent

Re: IEE252I MSG's

2009-03-23 Thread John Kelly
Just so you don't think that you're crazy, I get the BPX Parmlib messages every hour too IEE252I MEMBER BPXPRMFS FOUND IN SYS1.PARMLIB.V1R9 IEE252I MEMBER BPXPRM00 FOUND IN SYS1.PARMLIB.V1R9 I was going to submit a PMR to find out who's issuing it. The MessCode implies it's the Master Scheduler

Re: How Many Mainframes Do You Need?

2009-03-23 Thread Schlueter, Edward
As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly! - Arthur Carlson, WKRP in Cincinnati sorry, but somebody had to say it. e.s. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:22 AM To:

Re: Screen size (was 3270 emulator cost)

2009-03-23 Thread Edward Jaffe
Tom Marchant wrote: FWIW, I have been happily using 90x142 since you mentioned it. I got to wondering how big I could go, so I tried 120x160 and got: ISPI001 Invalid screen size. The width cannot exceed 160 and the depth cannot exceed 62 I have determined that 102x160 works and 103x160 does

Re: Question on creating a maint pack

2009-03-23 Thread larry macioce
I guess I don't understand. If I copy everything,sans the vol ser, and on the HMC put in the new ipl pack vol ser ie(current aa - new bb) then IPL it should be okWhat am I missing? thanks Larry On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Kevin Mckenzie kmcke...@us.ibm.comwrote: You can do a

Re: IEE252I MSG's

2009-03-23 Thread Matt Dazzo
It appears that an old parameter SHRLIBMAXPAGES in BPXPARMxx was set causing an exception with check USS_PARMLIB. I corrected the member, did a refresh on the BPX member and the check. I will monitor the console but looks like the check was doing it. thanks all Jousma, David

Re: Question on creating a maint pack

2009-03-23 Thread larry macioce
Another question. If I do a pack to pack copy do I still need to put the ipl record on the new pack or will those copy too?thanks On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Kevin Mckenzie kmcke...@us.ibm.comwrote: You can do a pack-to-pack copy. We do it all the time. If you want to IPL off of it,

Re: Question on creating a maint pack

2009-03-23 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:43:12 -0400, larry macioce wrote: I guess I don't understand. If I copy everything,sans the vol ser, and on the HMC put in the new ipl pack vol ser ie(current aa - new bb) then IPL it should be okWhat am I missing? thanks Larry On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:28 AM,

Re: Question on creating a maint pack

2009-03-23 Thread larry macioce
O they are... forgot about that part..just like the iplrecsthanks On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.comwrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:43:12 -0400, larry macioce wrote: I guess I don't understand. If I copy everything,sans the vol ser, and on the HMC put

Re: IEE252I MSG's

2009-03-23 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:56:09 -0400, Matt Dazzo mda...@pch.com wrote: z1.9 is up and running in our sandbox, currently using all HFS and no zFS files systems. I noticed that every hour on the hour I get msg's below on the system log. I searched IBM and found APAR Identifier .. OA17269 but that

Re: Question on creating a maint pack

2009-03-23 Thread Kevin Mckenzie
This is the JCL I use to do a pack to pack copy of our IPL pack: //COPY1EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU,REGION=4096K,TIME=(1440 //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=(*,,STD) //DASDIN DD UNIT=SYSALLDA,VOL=SER=D83TL9,DISP=SHR //DASDOUT DD UNIT=3390,VOL=SER=D83RL9,DISP=SHR //SYSINDD * COPY INDD(DASDIN)

Re: question about creating a maint pack

2009-03-23 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:21:47 -0400, larry macioce wrote: I want to copy my sysres pack to an empty vol You will also have to deal with your HFS/zFS system data sets. If they are on your IPL volume and will have the same dsnames as your original IPL volume, you should be able to IPL, but you

Re: Screen size (was 3270 emulator cost)

2009-03-23 Thread Mark T. Regan, K8MTR
Tom, Are you doing this with ISPF on v1.10 or an earlier version of z/OS? I ran into the problem with 1.10 after using 65x200 just fine on 1.9. When I started testing with v1.10, it stopped working. When I backed the screen size down to 65x160, it worked okay with v.10.  Mark T. Regan, K8MTR

Re: Question on creating a maint pack

2009-03-23 Thread Mark Zelden
See the CLONE* examples on the JOBs/DOC section of my web site. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com z/OS Systems Programming expert at

Re: IEE252I MSG's

2009-03-23 Thread Natarajan Mohan
Matt, I believe those messages are generated by Healthchecker during USS_PARMLIB check. Though I have the same issue, I have not found a way to suppress them either. One way is to disable that check. HTH, Natarajan Matt Dazzo mda...@pch.com 3/23/2009 6:56 AM z1.9 is up and running in our

Re: How Many Mainframes Do You Need?(OT)

2009-03-23 Thread Rick Fochtman
Having grown up in farm country, I can tell you that domestic turkeys are the absolute stupidest creatures on God's green Earth! You wouldn't believe it unless you saw it! Schlueter, Edward wrote: As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly! - Arthur Carlson, WKRP in Cincinnati

Re: Question on creating a maint pack

2009-03-23 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip- Another question. If I do a pack to pack copy do I still need to put the ipl record on the new pack or will those copy too?thanks unsnip-- I strongly recommend that you

Re: IEE252I MSG's

2009-03-23 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:57:56 -0700, Natarajan Mohan nmo...@edfund.org wrote: Matt, I believe those messages are generated by Healthchecker during USS_PARMLIB check. Though I have the same issue, I have not found a way to suppress them either. One way is to disable that check. And why would one

Re: Screen size (was 3270 emulator cost)

2009-03-23 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:09:07 -0700, Mark T. Regan wrote: Tom, Are you doing this with ISPF on v1.10 or an earlier version of z/OS? I ran into the problem with 1.10 after using 65x200 just fine on 1.9.  When I started testing with v1.10, it stopped working. When I  backed the screen size down to

Re: Question on creating a maint pack

2009-03-23 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:03:52 -0600, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote: ---snip- Another question. If I do a pack to pack copy do I still need to put the ipl record on the new pack or will those copy too?thanks

Re: IEE252I MSG's

2009-03-23 Thread Ted MacNEIL
And why would one want to do that? To prevent 100 bytes of data from being written to the syslog every hour? IIRC, you used to be able to suppress messages with a combination of MPF NetVIEW, if not other approaches. We caught our VTAM ex-SYSPROG doing that over 20 years ago. Any commands he

Re: IEE252I MSG's

2009-03-23 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:09:36 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:57:56 -0700, Natarajan Mohan wrote: Matt, I believe those messages are generated by Healthchecker during USS_PARMLIB check. Though I have the same issue, I have not found a way to suppress them either. One way is to

Re: IEE252I MSG's

2009-03-23 Thread Natarajan Mohan
I personally don't mind those messages. Natarajan Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com 3/23/2009 10:09 AM On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:57:56 -0700, Natarajan Mohan nmo...@edfund.org wrote: Matt, I believe those messages are generated by Healthchecker during USS_PARMLIB check. Though I have the

Re: Question on creating a maint pack

2009-03-23 Thread larry macioce
Sorry I mis spoke(or is that mistyped) I knew it was the addr not the vol ser. I have been focused on the volser issueMark I will check it out. thanks Mace On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.comwrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:03:52 -0600, Rick Fochtman

Re: Question on creating a maint pack

2009-03-23 Thread larry macioce
Kevin..thanks for the jcl. I am very visual that this helps a ton On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kevin Mckenzie kmcke...@us.ibm.comwrote: This is the JCL I use to do a pack to pack copy of our IPL pack: //COPY1EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU,REGION=4096K,TIME=(1440 //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=(*,,STD)

Re: Question on creating a maint pack

2009-03-23 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
If you are trying to COPY, are you sure you want the PURGE parameter? Dave O'Brien NIH Contractor From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of larry macioce [mace1...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 2:12 PM To:

Re: Question on creating a maint pack

2009-03-23 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Sorry, should have read the manual before posting prior msg. Dave O'Brien NIH Contractor From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 2:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu

IEHDASDR documentation

2009-03-23 Thread Jim Mulder
Does anyone have ancient IEHDASDR documentation? I am trying to find out why Standalone Dump generation goes out of its way to prevent VIO from being used for the data set containing the IPL text it provides to ICKDSF via the IPLDD parameter on REFORMAT. ICKDSF currently has no restriction

Re: IEHDASDR documentation

2009-03-23 Thread Stocker, Herman
Was VIO around when IEHDASDR was in use? Regards, Herman Stocker -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Mulder Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: IEHDASDR documentation Does anyone

Re: IEHDASDR documentation

2009-03-23 Thread John Kelly
Talk about a trip down memory lane. The only thing that I found was the Utilities PLM, circa 1968 (but a tad before VIO), at http://www.textfiles.com/bitsavers/pdf/ibm/360/Y28-6614-4_utilitiesPLM.pdf Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office)

Are IBM-MAIN usage guidelines posted somewhere?

2009-03-23 Thread Gregory Pinkowski
Where are the rules for what subject matter is (or is not) permissible to post to this list? Where are the general conduct guidelines posted? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: IEHDASDR documentation

2009-03-23 Thread Rick Fochtman
Jim, IEHDASDR never KNEW about VIO. If you acquire the OS/360 source from the CBTTAPE web site, IEHDASDR is included. Standalone Dump Generation is, I believe, also present. Perhaps that will give you a clue. IIRC, Stand Alone Dump generation created a complete jobstream that contain IPL text

Re: FTP timeout problem

2009-03-23 Thread Johnston, Robert E
Hello Scott and Hal... thanks for your help. I cut/pasted my ftp job below. It is going to an HFS. I talked to our network people and they said it could be a firewall issue, like Hal said. I have other things to work on this week so I'll be on and off this, but I'll let everyone know if/when I

Re: Are IBM-MAIN usage guidelines posted somewhere?

2009-03-23 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:56:34 -0500, Gregory Pinkowski gregorypinkow...@verizon.net wrote: Where are the rules for what subject matter is (or is not) permissible to post to this list? Where are the general conduct guidelines posted? ... The guidelines are not particularly easy to find. I

Is your installation LNKLSTing datasets in addtion to the system LNKLST?

2009-03-23 Thread John Norgauer
If yes, what are kind of datasets are in your CSVLLAXX member? Source, proclib, loadlibs or? Thanks. John Norgauer Senior Systems Programmer Mainframe Technical Support Services University of California Davis Medical Center 2315 Stockton Blvd ASB 1300 Sacramento, Ca 95817 916-734-0536

Re: IDG306I Error

2009-03-23 Thread Chris Burgess
It does appear to be some type of issue with the catalog. If I run the following JCL on 1.10 I see the errors start to spew and they end when the job does. //LISTCAT JOB (EMC),MSGCLASS=A,CLASS=A,NOTIFY=SYSUID //* //* TEST FOR IGD306I

FTP - EZA1684W Local file not found

2009-03-23 Thread Pat Monk
Problem: Batch Job: Step1 - Create temp dsn=TEMPLOY2,disp=(,pass,delete)(NON-SMS VOLUME) Step2 - FTP can't find the temp file - EZA1736I PUT 'TEMPLOY2' EMPLOY2.TXT EZA1684W Local file not found EZA1735I Std Return Code = 27000, Error Code = 00018 EOJ - system

Fw: How Many Mainframes Do You Need?

2009-03-23 Thread Skip Robinson
(Forwarding an off-list response back to the List) Patrick makes a very good point about the impact on software licensing when moving from multiple CECs to a single large one. In our old configuration, we had two pairs of medium-sized CECs. Because of the work distribution, most software had to

Semi-OT: Turkeys and MVS wasRe: How Many Mainframes Do You Need?(OT)

2009-03-23 Thread Clark Morris
On 23 Mar 2009 10:02:05 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Having grown up in farm country, I can tell you that domestic turkeys are the absolute stupidest creatures on God's green Earth! You wouldn't believe it unless you saw it! The wild turkey is apparently a bird to be reckoned

Re: FTP - EZA1684W Local file not found

2009-03-23 Thread Gibney, Dave
Use a DD to reference the dataset in the PUT or DISP=(,CATLG,DELETE) Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Pat Monk Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009

Re: FTP timeout problem

2009-03-23 Thread Clark, Kevin
Robert, Start a TCP trace on ports 20,21 for the IP address of scftpd.ca.com. If its a firewall issue , there should be a stoppage of traffic during handshaking. Perhaps an unsolicitied RST. Kevin From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of

Re: IEHDASDR documentation

2009-03-23 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Was VIO around when IEHDASDR was in use? Yes. I learned both when I started with MVS, professionally, 28 years ago. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send

Re: Message suppression (was: IEE252I MSG's)

2009-03-23 Thread Ted MacNEIL
You can't use VTAM messages as a model. NetView and VTAM have a very special relationship. The suppression was more than VTAM messages. The only reason I mentioned VTAM was because our VTAM/SNA team was responsible for NetView, as well. What the ex-SYSPROG did was more than manage VTAM

Old discussion about Windows running on a mainframe ( I brought up)

2009-03-23 Thread Ed Gould
Will Big Blue mainframes run Windows? Track this topic Print story Post comment z/VMs get Microsoft rumor By Timothy Prickett Morgan • Get more from this author Posted in Servers, 23rd March 2009 22:34 GMT Whitepaper download - Eight CRM essentials An obscure mainframe software company called

Re: How Many Mainframes Do You Need?

2009-03-23 Thread Timothy Sipples
Bob Richards writes: It has been awhile since someone has referenced the Mainframe site: http://mainframe.typepad.com/ Timothy Sipples has placed a nice post out there called How Many Mainframes Do You Need? It is worth the read, even for us old, crusty types who sometime forget we didn't always