Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?

2009-10-20 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:49:14 -0500, Rick Fochtman wrote: ---snip- Would refusing to license your software on machines other than what you produce go toward malicious actions? Would refusing to license your software for running on

Re: IBM C header files

2009-10-20 Thread Don Poitras
des...@verizon.net wrote: sas...@sas.com (Don Poitras) writes: Try: #include sys/types.h If you look inside the EDC4H031 member, you see this as the comment. * sys/types.h header file Note that to get hold of something in sys/ you really should not be defining the location

Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?

2009-10-20 Thread Hadaway, John
It is not malicious...just common sense business practices in a capitalist society. Although others might think otherwise. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:58 AM To:

Re: IBM C header files

2009-10-20 Thread David Waldman
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:47:51 -0400, Don Poitras sas...@sas.com wrote: des...@verizon.net wrote: sas...@sas.com (Don Poitras) writes: Try: #include sys/types.h If you look inside the EDC4H031 member, you see this as the comment. * sys/types.h header file Note that to get hold of

Re: U.S. house decommissions its last mainframe, saves $730,000

2009-10-20 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
It seems to me that if they have a 12 year old mainframe, they've probably been working on the 'modernization' or 'migration off of' for 10 years. Something tells me that wasn't what they were planning on. (Insert your favorite vendors proposal to 'get off the mainframe in 9 months' here). MA

Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?

2009-10-20 Thread Edward Jaffe
Hadaway, John wrote: It is not malicious...just common sense business practices in a capitalist society. Although others might think otherwise. This capitalist society has anti-trust laws. Hopefully, they will be applied fairly before it's too late. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software

wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works.

2009-10-20 Thread Bonno, Tuco
environment here is z/os 1.9 am getting (jes) wto buffer shortages. last time this happened, 5 or so years ago , I was able to clean things but by issueing a series of “k q” commands. now when I do so, I’m getting iee847 error messages: “K not valid for extended mcs console”. research of

Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?

2009-10-20 Thread Scott Rowe
I think it's time to get the horse back in front of the cart. IANAL, but I think the first thing that need to be done is define the market that has allegedly been monopolized. I don't know if (legally) it is proper to define the market as IBM compatible mainframes, that sounds a little too

Re: wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works.

2009-10-20 Thread Edward Jaffe
Bonno, Tuco wrote: environment here is z/os 1.9 am getting (jes) wto buffer shortages. last time this happened, 5 or so years ago , I was able to clean things but by issueing a series of “k q” commands. now when I do so, I’m getting iee847 error messages: “K not valid for extended mcs

Re: wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works.

2009-10-20 Thread Bonno, Tuco
K Q still works for MCS and SMCS consoles. It never worked for MCS extended consoles. ok then when I used it last 5 years ago, it was obviously not on an MCS extended console . how does one deal with the problem when it's showing up on an MCS extended console ? -- Edward E Jaffe

Re: wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works.

2009-10-20 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 10/20/2009 9:09:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, edja...@phoenixsoftware.com writes: K Q still works for MCS and SMCS consoles. It never worked for MCS extended consoles. Lacking that, motor over to HMC and ACTIVATE CN(*)?

Re: wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works.

2009-10-20 Thread David Waldman
Tuco, The 'K Q' command is no longer suported for EMCS consoles on 1.9. This is explained in the z/OS V1R9.0 MVS Planning: Operations manual. Regards, Dave Waldman -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: cpu upgrade

2009-10-20 Thread Jim Marshall
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:23:05 +, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: CBU is for events which are one step below a Declared Disaster but has only taken out one of the IBM 2096's. That's a pretty restrictive definition for CBU. It can/has been used for declared disasters, as well. That's

Shop zSeries Ordering

2009-10-20 Thread Dazzo, Matt
Just wondering if anyone else was having a problem ordering on shop zseries. When ordering maintenance I get to 'Step 4 of 5 Specify delivery options' where you use the drop down menu for 'preferred media', I usually select internet. The drop down menu yesterday and today is empty so I cannot

Re: Back to Work

2009-10-20 Thread Howard Brazee
On 19 Oct 2009 12:59:31 -0700, ps2...@yahoo.com (Ed Gould) wrote: Congratulations!Sorry to hear about Dubuque placement. I used to visit there once a year in Jan-Feb for a weekend years ago skiing.On the positive side I heard that it is going to get train service to Chicago soon (the ride is

Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?

2009-10-20 Thread Howard Brazee
On 20 Oct 2009 06:45:04 -0700, edja...@phoenixsoftware.com (Edward Jaffe) wrote: This capitalist society has anti-trust laws. Hopefully, they will be applied fairly before it's too late. What would you expect this enforcement to mandate?How will our society benefit? As I mentioned earlier

Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers

2009-10-20 Thread Kirk Talman
How many Mainframe engines = 1500 x86 boxes? IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 10/19/2009 12:51:38 PM: Fairly nice article. Rather nicely balanced about the pluses of either environment. It's a slide show.

Re: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?

2009-10-20 Thread Don Williams
I have no idea about the legal requirements for a monopoly, but it seems fair to me that the test of a mainframe monopoly should involve criteria like: 1. Do most companies have more than one reasonable competing vendor/supplier able to satisfy their needs? Some companies might be able to convert

Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?

2009-10-20 Thread Scott
In some ways, this makes me think of Apple's OS X. The EULA states that you cannot install it on non-Apple hardware. But that's about it. You can't easily install OS X on a regular PC because PC's use BIOS and all Macs use a much more modern EFI. Simply emulating an EFI layer on top of your

Re: Back to Work

2009-10-20 Thread Hal Merritt
Having had all of cable, satellite, 'air card', and DSL Internet service, I'd put satellite fourth on that list. The speed is there, but the latency is an issue. Something to consider is if you have a business need for the service and your employer does not reimburse you, then the service may

Re: PSF SAPI

2009-10-20 Thread Howard Turetzky
PSF uses the JES FSI, not SAPI (Infoprint Server in Extended Mode uses SAPI). Using the Functional Subsystem, PSF can behave like a JES-managed printer. Howard Turetzky Advanced Technical Support howard.turet...@infoprint.com

Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers

2009-10-20 Thread Scott
That's a lot of hood ornaments. On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:13 AM, David Andrews d...@lists.duda.com wrote: How many Mainframe engines = 1500 x86 boxes? How many moving vans = 1500 motorcycles? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers

2009-10-20 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kirk Talman How many Mainframe engines = 1500 x86 boxes? It depends. Could be as few as one. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?

2009-10-20 Thread Howard Brazee
On 19 Oct 2009 13:47:18 -0700, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson, Steve) wrote: Please tell me what you consider to be malicious actions. Would suing a company and then buying them out to keep from losing the case meet your definition? Not mine.You can't buy a company that doesn't

Re: IBM C header files

2009-10-20 Thread Don Poitras
David Waldman wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:47:51 -0400, Don Poitras sas...@sas.com wrote: des...@verizon.net wrote: sas...@sas.com (Don Poitras) writes: Try: #include sys/types.h If you look inside the EDC4H031 member, you see this as the comment. * sys/types.h

Re: wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works.

2009-10-20 Thread Bonno, Tuco
The 'K Q' command is no longer suported for EMCS consoles on 1.9. This is explained in the z/OS V1R9.0 MVS Planning: Operations manual. thank you. i'm onto it. Regards, Dave Waldman -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: Shop zSeries Ordering

2009-10-20 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Matt, I just ordered 7 PTFs without difficulty. Try clearing your cache, try Firefox or IE (whichever you are not currently using) Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Dazzo, Matt Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:46 AM

Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?

2009-10-20 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Rowe Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly? I think it's time to get the horse back

Re: wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works.

2009-10-20 Thread Clark, Kevin
Bonno, Fortunately the systems stay up now...I think to can do a K S, and change the roll time and DEL=D to optimized the messages scrolling. You can still use a MPF to suppress if this occurs regularly and you want to automate it. Kevin -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Shop zSeries Ordering

2009-10-20 Thread Al Sherkow
I had numerous problems with IBM.COM yesterday. I was searching for information on the products added to SCRT V18 and could not find them. For example 5655-V60 is WebSphere Message Broker for z/OS V71 (actually only V7, not 71) and the only hit on IBM.COM is the SCRT What's New Page. Fortunately a

Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers

2009-10-20 Thread Hal Merritt
Interesting. I'd think the number could be less than one. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers

Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers

2009-10-20 Thread David Andrews
How many Mainframe engines = 1500 x86 boxes? How many moving vans = 1500 motorcycles? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO

Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?

2009-10-20 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly? On 19 Oct 2009 13:47:18 -0700,

Re: Back to Work

2009-10-20 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Thanks for all the good wishes, everyone. I have to go back to class. Hopefully, I'll read the rest of my messages tonight. Eric -- Eric Bielefeld Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote: Congratulations, Eric! I've spent as much as 19 months straight looking for a new job, I know

Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers

2009-10-20 Thread P S
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Kirk Talman rkueb...@tsys.com wrote: How many Mainframe engines = 1500 x86 boxes? How many Kenworth rigs = 1500 motorcycles? Depends on what you're trying to do. Hint: if it's February in Minneapolis, the number is a lot smaller than if it's August.

Re: PSF SAPI

2009-10-20 Thread Frank Swarbrick
On 10/20/2009 at 12:05 PM, in message listserv%200910201305289369.0...@bama.ua.edu, Howard Turetzky howard.turet...@infoprint.com wrote: PSF uses the JES FSI, not SAPI (Infoprint Server in Extended Mode uses SAPI). Using the Functional Subsystem, PSF can behave like a JES-managed printer.

Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers

2009-10-20 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hal Merritt Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers Interesting. I'd think the number could be less than one.

Re: wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works.

2009-10-20 Thread Edward Jaffe
Ed Finnell wrote: Lacking that, motor over to HMC and ACTIVATE CN(*)? That activates an MCS extended console. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com

Re: cpu upgrade

2009-10-20 Thread Marian Gasparovic
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: So, for a specific example, will they let you go from a T03 to a Z03, or do you have to also buy an engine and go to a Z04? Ted, on z9 and z10 you can do exactly that, T03-Z03. You can add engines or increase speed, or

Daylight Saving Time changes effect on CICS Transaction Server

2009-10-20 Thread Ken Porowski
1. CICS Transaction Server: Flashes Daylight Saving Time changes effect on CICS Transaction Server For many countries Daylight Saving Time (DST) changes the last Sunday in October or the first Sunday in November. You would like to understand the impact that the DST time change has on CICS

Re: IBM C header files

2009-10-20 Thread Kirk Wolf
FWIW, we do alot of C/C++ development on z/OS, and find it *much* easier to put source files and a Makefile in a zFS filesystem and then use make to build everything from a z/OS Unix shell. You can still target your load modules to a PDS or PDS/E when running the compiler and/or linker from the

Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?

2009-10-20 Thread Mark Post
On 10/20/2009 at 2:48 PM, Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote: -snip- So, one last thing that has not been discussed in this thread to this point (that I've read at least: Consent Degrees and the possible violation of same -snip- If IBM were found to be violating these...

Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers

2009-10-20 Thread Kirk Talman
I asked because the pretty slide show linked to by the original post I replied to used that number (1500) on the 13th and last slide with no indication of scale factor or context. After 48 yrs in IT I have an appreciation for the issues raised by the replies, both explicit and implicit. I was

Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?

2009-10-20 Thread Edward Jaffe
Mark Post wrote: IBM has not been subject to any Consent Decrees for (probably) decades. Decades??? Don't you work for IBM??? Don't all IBM employees know this history? The provisions of the consent decree were lifted in stages, over a five-year period, from 1996 through 2001.

Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?

2009-10-20 Thread Edward Jaffe
Edward Jaffe wrote: Mark Post wrote: IBM has not been subject to any Consent Decrees for (probably) decades. Decades??? Don't you work for IBM??? Don't all IBM employees know this history? Sorry, Mark. I see you work for Novell. The provisions of the consent decree were lifted in

Re: IBM C header files

2009-10-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:48:00 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote: FWIW, we do alot of C/C++ development on z/OS, and find it *much* easier to put source files and a Makefile in a zFS filesystem and then use make to build everything from a z/OS Unix shell. You can still target your load modules to a PDS or

Re: Daylight Saving Time changes effect on CICS Transaction Server

2009-10-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:02:32 -0400, Ken Porowski wrote: 1. CICS Transaction Server: Flashes Daylight Saving Time changes effect on CICS Transaction Server For many countries Daylight Saving Time (DST) changes the last Sunday in October or the first Sunday in November. You would like to

Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers

2009-10-20 Thread Clark Morris
On 20 Oct 2009 12:55:20 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: I asked because the pretty slide show linked to by the original post I replied to used that number (1500) on the 13th and last slide with no indication of scale factor or context. After 48 yrs in IT I have an appreciation for

Re: wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works.

2009-10-20 Thread W. Kevin Kelley
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:17:26 -0500, David Waldman david.p.wald...@lmco.com wrote: Tuco, The 'K Q' command is no longer suported for EMCS consoles on 1.9. This is explained in the z/OS V1R9.0 MVS Planning: Operations manual. Dave, Control (K) commands have never applied to EMCS consoles as

Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers

2009-10-20 Thread Graeme Gibson
Um, the 13-slide show left me waiting for the information to start. I found it gossamer-thin, so lite that I believe it would struggle even to get into an airline magazine. take care all, Graeme At 02:51 AM 20/10/2009, you wrote: Fairly nice article. Rather nicely balanced about the pluses

David M Briars is out of the office.

2009-10-20 Thread David M Briars
I will be out of the office starting October 20, 2009 and will not return until October 26, 2009. I will respond to your message when I return. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Looking for a job

2009-10-20 Thread Reach Me
Hello All, I never quite found a good mainframe jobs website, so I am trying this route. I am currently looking for a full time Mainframe System Programmer job in New York/New jersey, San Jose, Dallas area. I am open to other locations. I have about 10+ years of experience in Mainframes. My

Re: Looking for a job

2009-10-20 Thread Scott
I suggest looking at indeed.com, as they are just a google-esque index of various other job sites. Scott On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Reach Me reachme...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, I never quite found a good mainframe jobs website, so I am trying this route. I am currently looking for