Re: Customizing TSOPROC

2011-06-16 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Any idea or suggestions would be much appreciated. I've noticed that you have a tendency to ask some pretty basic questions. And, it appears that you never crack a manual before asking. IBM-Main is not here to give lessons. Rather, it's here to help those who've done their homework, and/or do not

Re: Customizing TSOPROC

2011-06-16 Thread jagadishan perumal
I agree my mistake for not being effective on homework. Thanks for your suggestion. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: Any idea or suggestions would be much appreciated. I've noticed that you have a tendency to ask some pretty basic questions. And, it

Re: RES: BatchPipes/MVS

2011-06-16 Thread Ravi Gaur
we use it very heavily as well on 11 way sysplex.. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at

MFNetDisk PRO version. More fix and much better performance.

2011-06-16 Thread shai hess
HI, I uploaded new MFNetDisk PRO version today which improves dramatically the MFNetDisk performance. The new MFNetDisk PRO support stacked CCWS, this enable to send many CCW in one TCP request. This reduce the load on TCP and reduce the CPU utilizaion and increase the IO per second by factor

Re: UTC offset for dates in the past?

2011-06-16 Thread Jan MOEYERSONS
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:27:34 -0500, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: Is Shane's suggestion practical? (And John G. frequently suggests this should be in a common service, not reinvented by each individual programmer.) Well, given the fact that I only have one or two timezones to deal

Re: UTC offset for dates in the past?

2011-06-16 Thread Dale Miller
I forgot to respond to an assertion made on this thread to the effect that operating systems other than Z/OS gets this right. My daughter audits chemical tests where the audit trail requirements are pretty stringent with regard to timing and sequencing. She observed that with their

Re: How to verify if Secured FTP is being used

2011-06-16 Thread Marco Gianfranco Indaco
* That is, the process may go on and pick a 'security mechanism'. *Depends on ftpd configuration and what you mean with secure transfer(still talking about ftp and not network tricks) If you need a secure login that is often used for secure transfer you cannot pick a security mechanism after

Re: UTC offset for dates in the past?

2011-06-16 Thread Shane Ginnane
Windoze runs in time=local. Yep, you read that right ... Causes all sorts of issues in multi-boot systems for folks that aren't aware, and choose to install their Linux systems in the default time=UTC. Every re-boot can cause the (hardware) clock to be reset. And NTP is no help, because the

Re: An upbeat story

2011-06-16 Thread Dale Miller
zMan on 15 June told about two clueless CS PhD's. A few years ago, my friend an I were getting a lot of chuckles out the cluelessness of a CS textbook, but we were reduced to uncontrollable laughter when the author showed an example of doing a payroll using an array, and concluded the

Re: An upbeat story

2011-06-16 Thread Dale Miller
Regarding my mention of the Anchorage ATC programmers using Fortran and the Commercial Subroutine Package, Tom Simons wrote: That Commercial Subroutine Package must have been IDEAL. Since I've made a few mistakes lately by misremembering things, I checked back with Google and found

Re: DFSORT

2011-06-16 Thread Matan Cohen
Thanks you for this , I'll use it for the future. In this time for a quick solution I used REXX for building the appropriate steps accordingly to the datasets list. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Frank Yaeger yae...@us.ibm.com wrote: matan cohen on IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Chacteristics of HOME ASC mode

2011-06-16 Thread Peter Relson
What if you Have a ss pc rtn and want to access data and inst from the program that issued the ss pc rtn Home is not where the issuer of a ss pc came from necessarily. Consider if home PC'd to ASID P which then PC's to you. The data from the issuer of your PC is not in home but in P. As has

Sysplex Enabled z/OS Unix File System Question

2011-06-16 Thread Mark Jacobs
We're beginning our conversion process to a sysplex enabled file system environment and was wondering if there's any real value in adding the SYSNAME() option to application related file system mount commands in our shared BPXPRMxx member or just accept IBM's recommendation to use the

Re: Rocket Software's MXI

2011-06-16 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Jim, Perhaps Eric was think of the freebie version of MXI. Perhaps not. Regardless, the why question has validity, for the reasons you noted *and* to gain an understanding as to the driving force behind the question. When someone asks me for advice like this, my first question would also be

Re: Rocket Software's MXI

2011-06-16 Thread Gregg Kimbrough
Thanks Jim. I would like to say it's business and I am the one who justified bringing it into BCBSFL. Thanks, Gregg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu

Re: Rocket Software's MXI

2011-06-16 Thread Gregg Kimbrough
Yes, you are also right. I'm trying to be tactful and polite. This is just for a possible replacement. We also have the freebies in house, ShOWMVS, TASID AND IPLINFO. Which I generally use MXI and IPLINFO. We have a license to use MXI and looking at my options.

Re: An upbeat story

2011-06-16 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Dale Miller zMan on 15 June told about two clueless CS PhD's. A few years ago, my friend an I were getting a lot of chuckles out the cluelessness of a CS textbook, but we were reduced to uncontrollable laughter when

Re: Sysplex Enabled z/OS Unix File System Question

2011-06-16 Thread Staller, Allan
snip We're beginning our conversion process to a sysplex enabled file system environment and was wondering if there's any real value in adding the SYSNAME() option to application related file system mount commands in our shared BPXPRMxx member or just accept IBM's recommendation to use the

Re: An upbeat story

2011-06-16 Thread Bill Fairchild
A long time ago a friend of mine told me that the mental abilities to do computer programming, music, and foreign languages are probably linked genetically. Since then I have noticed a lot of anecdotal evidence to support this theory, including myself. But I have also found a lot of people

Re: An upbeat story

2011-06-16 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
bi...@mainstar.com (Bill Fairchild) writes: A long time ago a friend of mine told me that the mental abilities to do computer programming, music, and foreign languages are probably linked genetically. Since then I have noticed a lot of anecdotal evidence to support this theory, including

Antwort: Sysplex Enabled z/OS Unix File System Question

2011-06-16 Thread Michael Klaeschen
One point is, that all access to the physical file system has to be coordinated by the owning system. So when the task is executing on the owning system then no problem. But when it execs on another system, then there will be some overhead in communicating (literature reads about function

Re: Antwort: Sysplex Enabled z/OS Unix File System Question

2011-06-16 Thread Mark Zelden
One point is, that all access to the physical file system has to be coordinated by the owning system. So when the task is executing on the owning system then no problem. But when it execs on another system, then there will be some overhead in communicating (literature reads about function

Re: Antwort: Sysplex Enabled z/OS Unix File System Question

2011-06-16 Thread Mark Jacobs
I am planning to mount the version (and sysplex root) file systems as read only as per IBM's recommendations. I was curious about the expected benefits on assigning read/write application related file systems to specific systems or just accept the default and let the system reassign ownership

Re: UTC offset for dates in the past?

2011-06-16 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:41:31 +1000, Shane Ginnane wrote: Windoze runs in time=local. Yep, you read that right ... Oh, heck. I would be only slightly surprised if even some z/OS sites did that. It's a shortcut taken by developers in the early versions of a new OS. Usually they intend to

Re: An upbeat story

2011-06-16 Thread Scott Ford
I think everyone's observations are very true on the subject of what makes good sysprog etc. I wanted to pass on something else interesting. People with ADD and ADHD hyperfocus ..sort like locking in on a problem until solved and cant see anything else. The ability to hyperfocus makes a person

RACF and TSS in the Parallel Sysplex

2011-06-16 Thread Perry Mayes
Good day: We are running a 3 system parallel sysplex secured with TSS. We want to introduce a 4th machine into the plex which will essentially be a DB2 server. In order to keep costs manageable we will be running our IBM software using the zNALC license model including RACF. Has anyone

Re: An upbeat story

2011-06-16 Thread Scott Rowe
I resemble that remark. Being one of the afflicted, I can tell you that there are several attributes of ADD/ADHD that can be a real advantage in this profession. However, there are several different flavors of ADD/ADHD, so it is not universal by any means. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:19 AM,

Re: RACF and TSS in the Parallel Sysplex

2011-06-16 Thread Scott Rowe
I know there is an issue with console security in a sysplex with mixed security products. I think it can be manageable, but you have to understand it fully to be sure you avoid exposures. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Perry Mayes perry.ma...@rcmp-grc.gc.cawrote: Good day: We are running

Re: An upbeat story

2011-06-16 Thread Scott Ford
I have it too, she thinks. Your right   Scott J Ford Scott, I have it too, she thinks. Your right   Scott J Ford   From: Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thu, June 16, 2011 10:49:23 AM Subject: Re: An upbeat story I resemble

Shark configuration

2011-06-16 Thread Mike Myers
I'm looking for some help configuring some storage on an F20 model ESS box. We have just been given a substantial amount of disk space in one of our sharks. The storage had previously been configured as open system storage. Now we want to convert it to S/390 storage and use it for our z/OS

XCF storage available

2011-06-16 Thread Ken Hynes
Hi, I am trying to make some adjustements to the Coupling Facility based on some recent performance issues, but have a concern that I cannot seem to find a display to provide me with the total storage available. I can get a lot of information about the various structures, but I would like

Re: RACF and TSS in the Parallel Sysplex

2011-06-16 Thread Hal Merritt
Define 'success' :-) I'd be very concerned about the administration of such a multi headed beast. If there is shared DASD, then all would have to be kept in sync, a near impossibility. And, oh my, the passwords. You'd want some sort of common password management scheme or your users may form

Re: Shark configuration

2011-06-16 Thread Hal Merritt
I'm not sure I remember correctly (it's been a long time), but I seem to recall that the LCU is defined in the IOCDS/IODF. That is, you define the logical construct in the host, and then create units and assign space in the Shark to match the IOCDS/IODF. IIRC, defining/assigning space was

Re: XCF storage available

2011-06-16 Thread Mark Jacobs
The RMF SYSRPTS(CF) report will have that information. On 06/16/11 11:32, Ken Hynes wrote: Hi, I am trying to make some adjustements to the Coupling Facility based on some recent performance issues, but have a concern that I cannot seem to find a display to provide me with the total storage

Re: XCF storage available

2011-06-16 Thread Dennis Trojak
Ken, Console command D CF,CFNAME=xx to see total defined structures and free space within your CF. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ken Hynes Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 10:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: XCF

Re: XCF storage available

2011-06-16 Thread Field, Alan C.
Try a /D CF command. Here's one of ours: COUPLING FACILITY SPACE UTILIZ ALLOCATED SPACE STRUCTURES:2520 M DUMP SPACE: 32 M FREE SPACE: 5199 M TOTAL SPACE: 7751 M -- This CF is defined with 8192M in the hardware. Can you log on opt

Re: RACF and TSS in the Parallel Sysplex

2011-06-16 Thread Dana Mitchell
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:33:48 -0400, Perry Mayes PERRY.MAYES@RCMP- GRC.GC.CA wrote: Has anyone done this with success? Thanks I worked with a previous installation that had a mixture of RACF and TSS systems in a sysplex with no problems. Granted, this was a 'Bronzeplex' by IBM's

Re: RACF and TSS in the Parallel Sysplex

2011-06-16 Thread Rob Schramm
Hal, I think I would both respectively disagree and agree. Dang there I go hanging out on both sides of the fence. As a general matter of keeping things simple, sure going with just one security product would be a good idea. But in this case, the zNALC is going to have a very limited user base

IBM 100th today - a thank you

2011-06-16 Thread Pamela Christina on a sunny day in Endicott
Hi, Today we're celebrating IBM's 100th anniversary. The Endicott celebration for IBMers/IBM retirees is at Binghamton University Events center. Going over there shortly. But before I go, I just wanted to say THANK YOU to you to IBM customers --- for without you, we would not be celebrating

IBM turns 100.

2011-06-16 Thread Ian
Today IBM is celebrating its 100th Anniversary. To celebrate I have created a page where you can let IBM know how it influenced your life, the world and what IBM should do to last another 100 years. http://www.cicsworld.com/node/3978 Ian http://www.cicsworld.com

Re: An upbeat story

2011-06-16 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I've played guitar since I've been a sophomore in high school. I once was at an event in Chicago, and at lunch playing an instrument came up. I think everyone except maybe one played an instrument, if not then, in the past. At least 2 of them still played in bands. I havent' played in a

Re: An upbeat story

2011-06-16 Thread Darth Keller
I think we're getting pretty OT here, but I'll throw my hat in the ring too. I was a German linguist with the USArmy for about 5 years in a past life. And I've sung in choirs pretty much my whole life. Currently I sing in a S.Gospel quartet and a couple of choirs. Although I took some

Re: Shark configuration

2011-06-16 Thread Mike Schwab
I think they did not delete the volumes on the Open System side. Click on the Storage button on the left. Click on the Open system button at the bottom. You have to go through and set the disk groups back to undefined to delete the volumes / raid arrays. It then takes quite a while to format the

Re: RACF and TSS in the Parallel Sysplex

2011-06-16 Thread Schumacher, Otto
We used the Vanguard Corporation to help with a project to convert one site's CA-TSS security to RACF. We also used the same corporation to convert another site from CA-ACF2 to RACF. We also use the Vanguard Security Administration and Reporting products to enhance the RACF security

Happy 100th Birthday to IBM

2011-06-16 Thread Norman Hollander on DesertWiz
Honk if you use computer technology... zNorman -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at

Re: An upbeat story

2011-06-16 Thread Mike Schwab
http://www.aspergerresources.com/famous_people_with_aspergers.html Issac Newton, Albert Einstein, Bill Gates, Paul Allen, Henry Ford, Alexander Grahm Bell, Thomas Alva Edison, They forgot Nikola Telsa. Beat Edison's short range DC power with long range AC power. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:19

Re: Shark configuration

2011-06-16 Thread Mike Myers
Mike: That did get rid of the disk groups and volumes. Thank you very much. Now comes part 2, which is to configure the disk groups as CKD and to assign volumes and PAVs. The one problem I am seeing now is that there still seems to be no mechanism for creating a new LCU. I am only seeing

Re: Shark configuration

2011-06-16 Thread Linda Mooney
Hi Mike, The field engineer released the prior open configuration and set up the new configuration based on the volume sizes and and device address ranges that I wanted to use.  He set that that up at the hardware.  It took quite a while for the hardware processes to run.  That was all done

Re: Shark configuration

2011-06-16 Thread Ted MacNEIL
we don't do dynamic here Out of curiosity, why not? We implemented it as soon as we could, after it came along. As a 7/24, we found another way to reduce IPL. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For

Re: Customizing TSOPROC

2011-06-16 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
jagadishan perumal wrote: I agree my mistake for not being effective on homework. Thanks for your suggestion. You don't need to apologize, because asking questions is the only way to learn. And only wise guys ask questions, mind you! :-) Ted is a very nice and experienced guy with nearly a

Re: Happy 100th Birthday to IBM

2011-06-16 Thread Scott Ford
Honk Honk   Paid my bills for 40 yrs   Scott J Ford   From: Norman Hollander on DesertWiz norman.hollan...@desertwiz.biz To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thu, June 16, 2011 1:20:29 PM Subject: Happy 100th Birthday to IBM Honk if you use computer

Re: Shark configuration

2011-06-16 Thread Mike Schwab
It takes HOURS for the individual DDMs to be erased. Have you waited the required HOURS? Once the DDMs are erased, they should become visible through the S/390 screen, not until then. I did a session where I took very terse notes on every click and key stroke. Oh, and wait for the boxes to go

Re: Shark configuration

2011-06-16 Thread Mike Myers
Mike: Many more thanks!!! No, I have not waited hours yet. I asked for a gift of patience, but I got tired of waiting for it. So I will wait the required time and then pick up later. I appreciate your help. Mike Myers Pitt County Memorial Hospital Greenville, NC Mike Schwab

Re: 1.12 upgrade, required PTFs I missed.

2011-06-16 Thread Ken Klein
z/OS V1R10.0 MVS Planning Operations SA22-7601-09 z/OS® console support can be operated in one of two modes: shared mode |and distributed mode. | IPL option | IEASYSxx and IPL prompt CON= parameter: | | CON=(...,DISTRIBUTED) to operate in DISTRIBUTED mode | CON=(...,SHARED) to continue to

Re: IBM 100th today - a thank you

2011-06-16 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Pamela Christina wrote: Today we're celebrating IBM's 100th anniversary. Makes me feel young and envious... ;-D Thanks for posting this. Send us some sun here, it is winter here and is getting cool, colder and freezing here... ;-) I like your reporting of the weather... ;-D Be a sunshine and

Re: An upbeat story

2011-06-16 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Dale Miller kindly wrote: zMan on 15 June told about two clueless CS PhD's. A few years ago, my friend an I were getting a lot of chuckles out the cluelessness of a CS textbook, but we were reduced to uncontrollable laughter when the author showed an example of doing a payroll using an array,

Re: An upbeat story

2011-06-16 Thread Mike Schwab
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote: Dale Miller kindly wrote: zMan on 15 June told about two clueless CS PhD's. A few years ago, my friend an I were getting a lot of chuckles out the cluelessness of a CS textbook, but we were reduced to

Re: Shark configuration

2011-06-16 Thread Linda Mooney
Hi Ted, Until fairly recently, we still had some very old equipment with below the line UCBs. Linda   - Original Message - From: Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:17:31 PM Subject: Re: Shark configuration we don't do

Re: Shark configuration

2011-06-16 Thread Scott Rowe
OK, but that doesn't prevent one from using dynamic. PORs are so last century ;-) On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Linda Mooney linda.lst...@comcast.netwrote: Hi Ted, Until fairly recently, we still had some very old equipment with below the line UCBs. Linda - Original Message

Re: UTC offset for dates in the past?

2011-06-16 Thread Mark Post
On 6/16/2011 at 10:04 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:41:31 +1000, Shane Ginnane wrote: Windoze runs in time=local. Yep, you read that right ... Oh, heck. I would be only slightly surprised if even some z/OS sites did that. They do, trust me. I've

Re: Shark configuration

2011-06-16 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Until fairly recently, we still had some very old equipment with below the line UCBs. Our UCBs were below the line, when we implemented dynamic IODF. We did after converting our disk to ESCON. And, that was pressures. IIRC, it was 3990-6. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL

Re: Shark configuration

2011-06-16 Thread Donnelly, John P
Resident San Jose, California... Home of the Sharks... You know, the NHL franchise... Reconfiguration is a must... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the

Re: Antwort: Sysplex Enabled z/OS Unix File System Question

2011-06-16 Thread Patrick Loftus
I HIGHLY recommend setting romount_recovery=on as per the following link: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r10/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.zos.r10.e0za100/dfsmroa.htm Otherwise, you can end up in the situation where you're trying to recover a system from a failure and your ZFS

Re: Inoperative Path

2011-06-16 Thread Mike Schwab
Since some paths are online, the CHIPID and fiber are working. Do you have cascading FICON switches? That can easily exceed the 256 paths. If you have 4 cables between mainframe and switch, and 4 cables between 2 CPU-fiber-SW1-fiber-SW2-fiber-DASD 4 fiber * 4 fiber * 4 fiber = 64 (all work) 6

Re: Shark configuration

2011-06-16 Thread Linda Mooney
The squawk message about the 3420 type tape drives the last time I tried dynamic  is what I remember - it has been a couple of years since the last IODF .  We do still have some printers and and a couple of console controllers running on ESCON converters. Linda - Original Message

Re: Shark configuration

2011-06-16 Thread Scott Rowe
Some devices can't use dynamic UCBs, and some can't be above the line, but neither of these cases is any reason not to use dynamic reconfiguration. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Linda Mooney linda.lst...@comcast.netwrote: The squawk message about the 3420 type tape drives the last time I

Re: Antwort: Sysplex Enabled z/OS Unix File System Question

2011-06-16 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 6/16/2011 1:47 PM, Patrick Loftus wrote: I HIGHLY recommend setting romount_recovery=on as per the following link: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r10/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.zos.r10.e0za100/dfsmroa.htm Agreed. Of course, this should be the default. :-( -- Edward E Jaffe

Re: IBM 100th today - a thank you

2011-06-16 Thread Matthew Stitt
On similar vein the birthday is being noted in the new media: http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2011/technology/1106/gallery.ibm_100/?source=cnn_binhpt=hp_bn3 One of the stories I found interesting. (watch for wrap) On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:43:35 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht

Re: CAMLST MACRO question

2011-06-16 Thread Dan D
You might want to consider calling IDCAMS to perform a DELETE. Dan Scott Ford wrote: I have a quick process / CAMLST macro question after readi Hi All: I have a quick process / CAMLST macro question after reading thru the DFHsmsdfp manual. My situation is that I want to find a catalog QSAM

Re: Antwort: Sysplex Enabled z/OS Unix File System Question

2011-06-16 Thread Doug Henry
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:07:21 -0700, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: On 6/16/2011 1:47 PM, Patrick Loftus wrote: I HIGHLY recommend setting romount_recovery=on as per the following link: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r10/index.jsp?

mainframe color-blindness software: a query

2011-06-16 Thread john gilmore
I am familiar with the Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop features that permit one to simulate the way a display will look to a color-blind (protanope- or deuteranope-afflicted) viewer, but I don't know of anything analogous to them that is available for screening mainframe-generated displays

Re: Antwort: Sysplex Enabled z/OS Unix File System Question

2011-06-16 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:31:52 -0500, Doug Henry doug_he...@usbank.com wrote: On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:07:21 -0700, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: On 6/16/2011 1:47 PM, Patrick Loftus wrote: I HIGHLY recommend setting romount_recovery=on as per the following link:

Re: Customizing TSOPROC

2011-06-16 Thread jagadishan perumal
Elardus , Danke Schon ! I was able to customize. The changes was just creating a new TSO proc in CPAC.PROCLIB. Creating a new ISPPDF without ISP@MSTR and including only ISPF related CLIST in CPAC.CMDPROC. Now I can make a user to land on to ISPF not in Master application menu. Thanks again, Jags

Re: UTC offset for dates in the past?

2011-06-16 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:04:28 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Sauce for the goose. In the recent DCBE thread, several contributors (particularly IBM employees) lauded z/OS for steadfastly maintaining compatibility with previous incorrect behavior. Apply the same standard when judging Windows and