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at 02:11 PM, Lionel B Dyck [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Come on folks - CA like any company has an obligation to protect its
assets.
Assuming that those are it's assets. If RS actually stole the source
code[1] then the suit is amply justified. If, however, RS
And they still haven't learned!
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.But that was typical of CA of that era.
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This has been an interesting discussion. Two observations I'd like to add to
the solera are:
1: This is a nearly identical suit to the one CA filed against Quest two or
three years ago just as Quest was gaining momentum in the DB2 space. After the
appropriate money got spent on legal fees
Sent: Friday, 10 August, 2007 07:39
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: CA Sues Rocket Software
This has been an interesting discussion. Two observations I'd like to add to
the solera are:
1: This is a nearly identical suit to the one CA filed against Quest two
or three years ago just as Quest
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CA is suing because someone *might* have re-coded an interface for
Rocket,
initially coded while in the employ of CA. This is (IMO) perfectly
legal
as long as code listings were not taken.
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I believe the issue is that the source code was stolen.
In particular, CA claims that
Binyamin Dissen wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:57:32 -0500 Staller, Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
:I am saying Rocket Software is (most likely) more highly regarded than
:CA
:on this list! The individual CA contributors notwithstanding, CA has
:IMO a deservedly poor reputation with regards to
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I take no position on whether CA has a case or not.
However, your proposal to address the problem of frivolous lawsuits doesn't
go far enough.
If it is determined that a lawsuit was filed in order to stifle competition
then not only should
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You might not want to hear this - America is the most litigious
country on the planet.
I gave a talk to the Theosophical Society on Beliefs, and why America
is at is is. It is only 3 pages, and you might find it fascinating to
read. I lived
On 9 Aug 2007 13:17:29 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rick Fochtman) wrote:
Clem, the name of the game is Money and Power.
Money is just a subset of power. The name of the game is what it
always has been Who has the power, uses it.
The modern American
Golden Rule is Whoever has the gold makes
CA sues over mainframe software copyright infringement
[Mark Fontecchio, News Writer]
Software giant CA has filed a $200 million lawsuit against Rocket Software,
claiming the company stole its source code to build IBM DB2 management
software.
http://tinyurl.com/yuo3xc
Not a good way to win more friends (or customers) on this list!
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CA sues over mainframe software copyright infringement
[Mark Fontecchio, News Writer]
Software giant CA has filed a $200 million lawsuit against Rocket
Software,
claiming the company stole its source code to build IBM DB2
So, are you saying that this is not true? Or that the news article is
incorrect? I found this same information on the CA Website.
We have posted other lawsuits on this list before.
Lizette
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Not a good way to win more friends (or customers) on this list!
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, August 08, 2007 3:29 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CA Sues Rocket Software
Not a good way to win more friends (or customers) on this list!
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CA sues over mainframe software copyright infringement
[Mark Fontecchio, News Writer]
Software giant CA has filed a $200 million lawsuit against
I am saying Rocket Software is (most likely) more highly regarded than
CA
on this list! The individual CA contributors notwithstanding, CA has
IMO a deservedly poor reputation with regards to customer relations.
Witness the number of shops that have attempted to eliminate all CA
software.
CA
CA for suing. Just another (IMO) episode in CA's history of poor
customer relations.
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I'm not sure I understand you. Or you upset with CA for suing or Rocket
for
the possible infringement of copyrights if the charges are proven in
court?
Tom
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Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:58 PM
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Subject: Re: CA Sues Rocket Software
I am saying Rocket Software is (most likely) more highly regarded
Come on folks - CA like any company has an obligation to protect its
assets. I don't know if their suit is valid or not and will not comment on
the merits of the suit. However CA would be doing a disservice to its
share holders if they did not pursue any/all actions to protect this
Also ref. Apple v. Microsoft
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Ref: SCO vs. IBM
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Come on folks - CA like any company has an obligation to protect its
assets. I don't know if their suit is valid or not and will not comment
on
the merits of the suit. However CA would be doing a disservice to its
share holders if they did not pursue any/all actions to protect this
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:17:50 -0500 Staller, Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
:CA is suing because someone *might* have re-coded an interface for
:Rocket,
:initially coded while in the employ of CA. This is (IMO) perfectly legal
:as long as code listings were not taken. i.e. I've done this before and
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... as long as code listings were not taken.
/snip
Not listing - but actual source code
Direct from the web site - sounds like the *may* not have coded from
memory. - Your right - the courts will decide.
They allegedly downloaded source code from CA's DB2 software tools onto
their own
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:57:32 -0500 Staller, Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
:I am saying Rocket Software is (most likely) more highly regarded than
:CA
:on this list! The individual CA contributors notwithstanding, CA has
:IMO a deservedly poor reputation with regards to customer relations.
it.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:58 PM
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Subject: Re: CA Sues Rocket Software
I am saying Rocket Software is (most likely) more highly regarded than
CA on this list! The individual CA
On Aug 8, 2007, at 4:08 PM, McKown, John wrote:
--SNIP-
However, if CA in all good faith truly believes (for whatever reason)
that Rocket Software has improperly acquired their source code, then
they must do something. For all we know, CA __may__ have
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Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:03 PM
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Subject: Re: CA Sues Rocket Software
CA for suing. Just another (IMO) episode in CA's history of poor
customer
The problem here is that CA has deservedly gained a reputation for
being litigious even when they had absolutely no case. I had signed
UCC contracts they refused to recognize, and they threatened to sue
the company I was with over us stealing their software. Like an
insurance case, our
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The problem here is that CA has deservedly gained a reputation for being
litigious even when they had absolutely no case. I had signed UCC
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Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:15 PM
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The easy way to stop that nonsense is when it is proven that the case is a
crock, is to make the losers in the case pay the winner's legal fees
A few executives spending 20+ years in the slammer will bring a screeching
halt to such crookedness.
John P Baker
agreed, but a few executives need to spend 20+ years in prison for other
things too, might also stop some of this corporate greed
Let's remember where Sandy Kumar is right now.
At 09:49 PM 8/8/2007, you wrote:
A few executives spending 20+ years in the slammer will bring a screeching
halt to such crookedness.
John P Baker
agreed, but a few executives need to spend 20+ years in prison for
other things too, might
://tinyurl.com/yuo3xc
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From: Doug Fuerst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:05 AM
Subject: Re: CA Sues Rocket Software
The problem here is that CA has deservedly gained a reputation for being
On Aug 8, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Robert Justice wrote:
A few executives spending 20+ years in the slammer will bring a
screeching
halt to such crookedness.
John P Baker
agreed, but a few executives need to spend 20+ years in prison for
other things too, might also stop some of this corporate
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Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:05 AM
Subject: Re: CA Sues Rocket Software
The problem here is that CA has deservedly gained a reputation for
being litigious even when they had absolutely no case. ...
Doug
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