Re: Can STGINDEX have secondary allocations?

2008-07-15 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip BTW Why are you still doing VIO at all? ---unsnip It still avoids the overhead of allocating and deleting a dataset on real disk. For small datasets that go away at the end of the

Re: Can STGINDEX have secondary allocations?

2008-07-11 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Staller, Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... snip Can SYS1.STGINDEX (VIO journaling) have secondary allocations? /snip AFAIK, No. BTW Why are you still doing VIO at all? It made a lot of sense when disk access times were 17-30 ms, but not with 3-4ms

Re: Can STGINDEX have secondary allocations?

2008-07-11 Thread Barbara Nitz
The fastest I/O is the I/O you don't do. I agree completely. BUT: Eliminating sys1.stgindex does NOT mean that you cannot use VIO anymore. The SYS1.STGINDEX is used for checkpoint-restart of a VIO dataset. How many installations do checkpoint-restart for VIO? (We certainly don't. I eliminated

Re: Can STGINDEX have secondary allocations?

2008-07-11 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Is this that simple? The fastest I/O is the I/O you don't do. With VIO you have a good chance to keep all data in storage, depending on the amount of real storege, your UIC and your paging. But in modern systems I think you have a good chance to eliminate all I/O with VIO datasets. Remember,

Re: Can STGINDEX have secondary allocations?

2008-07-11 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:1866030885-1215768126-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-186 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Is this that simple? The fastest I/O is the I/O you don't do. With VIO you have a good chance to keep all data in storage, depending on the amount of real

Re: Can STGINDEX have secondary allocations?

2008-07-11 Thread Ted MacNEIL
But even so: the ROT is(was) if an instruction takes a second, an I/O takes 2 weeks. Could 1 ms I/O responsetime even come near the break-even piont? Considering that there is more than one instruction in the I/O path. Considering that VIO's CPU requirement is larger. Considering buffering. The

Re: Can STGINDEX have secondary allocations?

2008-07-11 Thread Staller, Allan
Kees wrote: snip AFAIK, No. BTW Why are you still doing VIO at all? It made a lot of sense when disk access times were 17-30 ms, but not with 3-4ms (Escon/Cache) or 1 ms (FICON/Cache) Is this that simple? The fastest I/O is the I/O you don't do. With VIO you have a good chance to keep

Re: Can STGINDEX have secondary allocations?

2008-07-11 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Staller, Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Kees wrote: snip AFAIK, No. BTW Why are you still doing VIO at all? It made a lot of sense when disk access times were 17-30 ms, but not with 3-4ms (Escon/Cache) or 1 ms (FICON/Cache) Is this that

Re: Can STGINDEX have secondary allocations?

2008-07-11 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:21:23 +, Jan Vanbrabant wrote: Can SYS1.STGINDEX (VIO journaling) have secondary allocations? No.

Re: Can STGINDEX have secondary allocations?

2008-07-11 Thread John Kington
Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Staller, Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Kees wrote: snip AFAIK, No. BTW Why are you still doing VIO at all? It made a lot of sense when disk access times were 17-30 ms, but not with 3-4ms

Re: Can STGINDEX have secondary allocations?

2008-07-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:13:04 -0400, John Kington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No numbers but a story from personal experience. When I first implemented SMS, I setup a VIO storage group with a limit of about 10 cylinders on a 3390 and made any requests over 10 cylinders go to dasd. About six years

Re: Can STGINDEX have secondary allocations?

2008-07-11 Thread John Kington
Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 07/11/2008 12:04:33 PM: On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:13:04 -0400, John Kington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No numbers but a story from personal experience. When I first implemented SMS, I setup a VIO

Re: Can STGINDEX have secondary allocations?

2008-07-10 Thread Staller, Allan
snip Can SYS1.STGINDEX (VIO journaling) have secondary allocations? /snip AFAIK, No. BTW Why are you still doing VIO at all? It made a lot of sense when disk access times were 17-30 ms, but not with 3-4ms (Escon/Cache) or 1 ms (FICON/Cache) When I found that we were doing a CLPA at every

Can STGINDEX have secondary allocations?

2008-07-09 Thread Jan Vanbrabant
Hi listers , Can SYS1.STGINDEX (VIO journaling) have secondary allocations? Jan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the