In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/09/2007
at 08:58 AM, David J. Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Withdrawn From Marketing means we will no longer ship new media for
the program,
However, in the past IBM has acted as a conduit for old media between
existing customers. That was, of course, on a use at
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/08/2007
at 06:41 AM, Charles Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
When a customer has hundreds of not recently touched
business-critical programs, and no one who knows how they work, and
no budget for conversion, and typical corporate tolerance for risk
(i.e., near zero)
on licensing obsolete IBM products
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/08/2007
at 06:41 AM, Charles Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
When a customer has hundreds of not recently touched
business-critical programs, and no one who knows how they work, and no
budget for conversion, and typical corporate tolerance
Re posting from: Timothy Sipples
Getting media is another question. IBM may not be able to supply
it, so you'll have to find it from another source. As long as you
have a valid license this is apparently OK. Most IBM software
doesn't have license keys, so no obstacle there.
The rest of
Please bear in mind this isn't an official answer. Check with your
friendly local IBM representative.
Withdrawn from marketing means that IBM no longer accepts new orders for
the product. This is pretty straightforward for most hardware: IBM just
won't ship you a particular (new) box. Software
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills
Does anyone have an answer to the question what does IBM
mean by 'withdrawn from marketing'?
It generally means you can no longer order the product.
That said, everything is negotiable.
-jc-
Thanks, Tim.
Charles
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Timothy Sipples
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 4:29 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: General question on licensing obsolete IBM products
Please bear in mind
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Subject: General question on licensing obsolete IBM products
I think that 97% compatible is GROSSLY underestimated. Although this may
not have always been true, but today, there are ALMOST no cases where the
BEHAVIOR is different.
I suppose that if you are
A) still using ISAM
Charles Mills wrote:
The current LE COBOL Migration manual lists a fair amount of analysis and
work to determine and or provide for upward compatibility. I believe them.
When a customer has hundreds of not recently touched business-critical
programs, and no one who knows how they work, and no
On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:41 AM, Charles Mills wrote:
The current LE COBOL Migration manual lists a fair amount of
analysis and
work to determine and or provide for upward compatibility. I
believe them.
When a customer has hundreds of not recently touched business-
critical
programs, and no
, March 07, 2007 9:50 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: General question on licensing obsolete IBM products
I think that 97% compatible is GROSSLY underestimated. Although this may
not have always been true, but today, there are ALMOST no cases where the
BEHAVIOR is different.
I suppose
Getting media is another question. IBM may not be able to supply it, so
you'll have to find it from another source. As long as you have a valid
license this is apparently OK. Most IBM software doesn't have license
keys, so no obstacle there.
It has since been pointed out to me that not all IBM
Does anyone have an answer to the question what does IBM mean by 'withdrawn
from marketing'?
Lots of long-withdrawn from marketing products are still in widespread use
-- OS/VS COBOL is a great example -- and I am sure IBM is happily cashing
the license checks every month. So withdrawn from
No. IBM won't sell a product that has been withdrawn from marketing. If
you copy OS/VS COBOL to another system you are obliged to inform IBM.
IBM will charge for the use of the product, but you cannot order another
copy from IBM.
Bob Shannon (who has tried)
IIRC 'Withdrawn from Marketing' means the product is no longer orderable
but may still be supported.
'Withdrawn from Service' means no new service will be created for the
product and no APARs will be taken for it.
AFAIK if a product has been withdrawn from marketing and service you
could still
I don't know what IBM would do with a PRPQ type request for a NEW order
for the OS/VS COBOL compiler, but I don't think it would receive a warm
welcome. (Do you remember how to install a product with SMP4? OS/VS COBOL
was never delivered with SMP/E support)
As far as a shop getting a new
: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 2:45 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: General question on licensing obsolete IBM products
I don't know what IBM would do with a PRPQ type request for a NEW order
for the OS/VS COBOL compiler, but I don't think it would receive a warm
welcome. (Do you remember how
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Of Bill Klein
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 2:45 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: General question on licensing obsolete IBM products
I don't know what IBM would do with a PRPQ type request for a NEW
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