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From: "Bill Fairchild"
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Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: JES2 vs. JES3
One of the other two was Dick Hitt, who also played the piano during the
Esprit de Corps sessions a
List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 8:08 PM
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Subject: Re: JES2 vs. JES3
In <20100909135157.e41821a...@mail.ase.com.au>, on 09/09/2010
at 11:26 PM, Graeme Gibson said:
>ISTR hearing, c
In <20100909135157.e41821a...@mail.ase.com.au>, on 09/09/2010
at 11:26 PM, Graeme Gibson said:
>ISTR hearing, circa 1967, that ASP had its roots in the 7xxx world,
>with a 1440 or some other 14xx series machine(s) used as the
>"Attached Support Processors" effectively doing the card and prin
WalterR wrote:
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In <1792f2.291be9b9.39b92...@aol.com>, on 09/08/2010
at 01:30 PM, Ed Finnell said:
Huh? HASP was the efforts of NASA Houston and came out as Half ASP.
Do you have a citation for that? I never saw the term before I
suggested "HASP is
previous ibm-main (at google) references were direct couple at la
science center and ucla (that morphed into ASP on 360)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#3
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#7
ibm 7090 wiki page mentions two 7094/7044 direct couple systems at
caltech/jpl
http://en.wikipe
ISTR hearing, circa 1967, that ASP had its roots in the 7xxx world,
with a 1440 or some other 14xx series machine(s) used as the
"Attached Support Processors" effectively doing the card and printer
I/O to relieve the main processor(s?) of these I/O intensive tasks.
I also most definitely heard
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In <1792f2.291be9b9.39b92...@aol.com>, on 09/08/2010
at 01:30 PM, Ed Finnell said:
Huh? HASP was the efforts of NASA Houston and came out as Half ASP.
Do you have a citation for that? I never saw the term before I
suggested "HASP is Half ASP" for a
Hi Ed,
A dogpile search for "half asp" +NASA turned this up -
http://nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu/~schudel/JES2/history.html
Linda
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From: "Ed Finnell"
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Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2010 2:56:41 PM
Subject: Re: JES
In a message dated 9/8/2010 5:08:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
linda.lst...@comcast.net writes:
A dogpile search for "half asp" +NASA turned this up -
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Thanks, should have known Mr. JES2 would have it handy.
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In a message dated 9/8/2010 3:52:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net writes:
Do you have a citation for that? I never saw the term before I
suggested "HASP is Half ASP" for a project button.
>>
I first heard it from Sperry contractor back in the 70's.
Tried googling
This has been an interesting thread, though it seems to pop up from time to
time here, I always seem to learn some new piece of history or functionality.
As a shop that runs both JES', not because we sell software that must
operate equally well with either, but out of acqusistions and consolidat
On 9/7/2010 8:27 PM, Clark Morris wrote:
On 7 Sep 2010 15:19:03 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
Why is JES2 better than JES3?
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Each one has
In <1792f2.291be9b9.39b92...@aol.com>, on 09/08/2010
at 01:30 PM, Ed Finnell said:
>Huh? HASP was the efforts of NASA Houston and came out as Half ASP.
Do you have a citation for that? I never saw the term before I
suggested "HASP is Half ASP" for a project button.
--
Shmuel (Seymour
part of ibmmain thread from 2000 that ASP was some IBM group
that did Direct Couple at the LA Science Center (i.e. ASP
traces back to 7040/7090 direct couple system):
http://www.garli.ccom/~lynn/2000.html#77
predates the archives here (jan2005):
http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
but gatew
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 14:11 -0400, Steve Comstock wrote:
> > > Nobody morphed HASP into ASP or vice versa.
> > Huh? HASP was the efforts of NASA Houston and came out as Half ASP.
> > Renamed to Houston ASP.
>
> I think that's just a story. I recollect HASP came first,
> out of NASA as you say, an
On 9/8/2010 11:30 AM, Ed Finnell wrote:
In a message dated 9/8/2010 11:37:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
edja...@phoenixsoftware.com writes:
Nobody morphed HASP into ASP or vice versa. DCS became
ASP; ASP became JES3. Meanwhile, HASP became JES2.
Huh? HASP was the efforts of NASA Houston
In a message dated 9/8/2010 11:37:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
edja...@phoenixsoftware.com writes:
Nobody morphed HASP into ASP or vice versa. DCS became
ASP; ASP became JES3. Meanwhile, HASP became JES2.
>>
Huh? HASP was the efforts of NASA Houston and came out as Half ASP.
Renamed to
On 9/8/2010 6:04 AM, Tom Marchant wrote:
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 16:04:29 -0400, George Henke wrote:
I was just a lowly applications COBOL programmer at Bankers Trust when Bob
Graham suddenly appeared there, fresh out of Brown with a degree in Computer
Science, and morphed HASP into ASP.
My unders
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:43:22 -0400, Burrell, C. Todd wrote:
>I've worked with both, and
>JES3 can be challenging for JCL and for operators...
I have much more JES2 experience than JES3, but I'd dispute your
conclusion. The two are quite different from an operational
perspective and it can also
W dniu 2010-09-08 17:43, Burrell, C. Todd (CDC/OCOO/ITSO) (CTR) pisze:
I would look into the functions that JES3 offers that JES2 does not
offer, and if you need any of these functions then go with JES3. But
unless you have a VERY compelling reason, then JES2 is probably the
better and easier to
Metz (Seymour J.)
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In <4c86a688.7060...@bremultibank.com.pl>, on 09/07/2010
at 10:54 PM, "R.S." said:
>Theorethical case: If you start from scratch, then you should choose
>JE
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Subject: Re: JES2 vs. JES3
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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Beh
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 16:04:29 -0400, George Henke wrote:
>I was just a lowly applications COBOL programmer at Bankers Trust when Bob
>Graham suddenly appeared there, fresh out of Brown with a degree in Computer
>Science, and morphed HASP into ASP.
My understanding was that ASP and HASP were develop
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Schwab
>
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
> wrote:
> >
> > Why is an airplane better than a submarine? I'd like to know whether
> > you plan to travel under the ice or over it before an
On 7 Sep 2010 15:19:03 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
>
>Why is JES2 better than JES3?
>---
>Each one has its merits and drawbacks. Jes2, in gener
Why is JES2 better than JES3?
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Each one has its merits and drawbacks. Jes2, in general, has more
limited capabilities but a much smaller virtual storage
In <4c86a688.7060...@bremultibank.com.pl>, on 09/07/2010
at 10:54 PM, "R.S." said:
>Theorethical case: If you start from scratch, then you should choose
>JES2.
Nonsense; if you start from scratch, you should analyze which one best
meets your needs.
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
wrote:
>
> Why is an airplane better than a submarine? I'd like to know whether
> you plan to travel under the ice or over it before answering the
> question.
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
> ISO position; see <
W dniu 2010-09-07 21:36, Thompson, Steve pisze:
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Subject: Re: JES2 vs. JES3
In
I was just a lowly applications COBOL programmer at Bankers Trust when Bob
Graham suddenly appeared there, fresh out of Brown with a degree in Computer
Science, and morphed HASP into ASP. He is rightfully regarded as the father
of ASP, if not JES3 as well.
Until recently, when I started my first
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In
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In <201009060837.mll29...@c2beaomr03.btconnect.com>, on 09/06/2010
at 09:37 AM, Terry Sambrooks said:
>Many of the more senior members of the list will know that the two
>Job Entry Systems existed prior to MVS but were developed
>independently for different purposes.
FSVO two, one larger than
In
<45d79eacefba9b428e3d400e924d36b903e59...@iwdubcormsg007.sci.local>,
on 09/05/2010
at 06:13 PM, "Thompson, Steve" said:
>Why is JES2 better than JES3?
Why is an airplane better than a submarine? I'd like to know whether
you plan to travel under the ice or over it before answering the
ques
On 5 September 2010 18:13, Thompson, Steve wrote:
> I created a new thread out of this because I think this is a bit more
> important a topic -- so why let it get lost in O/T IBM blah blah?
>
> Why is JES2 better than JES3? Why is JES3 better than JES2?
>
> Why would JES3 be preferred over JES2?
On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 15:28:50 -0400, Thompson, Steve wrote:
>
>drives/mounts and JES3 requires the data sets to exist before the JOB
>starts (otherwise you get a JCL error -- UNLESS the data set is created
>in the JOB via JCL) is hard for some to get their hands around.
>
And if you code DISP=NEW you
before being con'ed into going to POK to be in charge of loosely-coupled
architecture, my wife did a stint in the JES group ... including working
on spec. for JESUS (JES Unified System) ... taking all the features,
that customers couldn't live w/o, from both JES (slightly earlier, she
had been part
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Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 5:14 PM
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Subject: JES2 vs. JES3
I have worked in both environments, and have migrated between the
environments, and
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Of Lizette Koehler
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 Monday 4:45 AM
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Subject: Re: JES2 vs. JES3
I am sure there will be some opinions on this. But the basic functions of
JES2 and JES3 are different.
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--- On Sun, 5/9/10, Thompson, Steve wrote:
From: Thompson, Steve
Subject: JES2 vs. JES3
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Date: Sunday, 5 September, 2010, 23:13
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Behalf Of Clark Morris
Sent: Sunday
I am sure there will be some opinions on this. But the basic functions of
JES2 and JES3 are different.
I have only used JES2 and know very little of JES3. So I am a little
biased.
JES3 has resource functions where JES2 does not. In JES3, as I understand
it, a job cannot get into the system unl
Hi,
I think the question "Which is better JES2 or JES3?" is one for the bigots,
and is akin to "Which is better z/OS, z/VM or z/VSE?"
Many of the more senior members of the list will know that the two Job Entry
Systems existed prior to MVS but were developed independently for different
purposes.
Thompson, Steve pisze:
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As someone who was in a fie
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As someone who was in a field where you can't get a
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