Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/24/2007 at 11:28 AM, Rick Fochtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Strange. ISTR using TSO under Release 18.6 of MVT. Communications were via TCAM. Well, communications was via TCAM. Wrong, oh how wrong! The Master Scheduler was the boss of allocation and was invoked by

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/24/2007 at 03:28 PM, Kirk Talman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Was SVC 99 the other name for the DAIR (dynamic allocation interface routine(s?)) or did it replace them? No. In S229-3169-3 (1971Jul no release) SVC32 shows parm of R1--UCB list but no mention of DSN,

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-25 Thread John Eells
Paul Gilmartin wrote: In a recent note, Rob Scott said: Subject: Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes Haven't you two guys just re-created the apocryphal IEFBR14 APAR ? I find the word apocryphal well-chosen insofar as the many times I've heard this story I can't

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Clem Clarke
Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote: The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.foklore.comupters as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clem Clarke) writes: In PCP, MFT and MVT, SVC 99 didn't even exist! Nor TSO. Yep. TSO was, as I

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Clem Clarke
Gerhard Adam wrote: In PCP, MFT and MVT, SVC 99 didn't even exist! Nor TSO. I guess one could say, in a round about sort of way, that IEFBR14 was the front end to invoking the DASD allocation, scratch and catalog SVCs? I'm sorry, but you still can't say it no matter how

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Staller, Allan
snip [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clem Clarke) writes: In PCP, MFT and MVT, SVC 99 didn't even exist! Nor TSO. Yep. TSO was, as I recall, *added* to MVT somewhere along the line. And SVC 99 was not used, again, as I recall. That came with MVS or maybe VS2? /snip AFAIK, TSO was always a

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Bill Wilkie
In case anyone lost it, assemble this: BR14 Just hive it a name. Bill From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes Date: Mon, 23

BR14 APAR 1 (was Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes)

2007-04-24 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Wilkie Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes In case anyone lost it, assemble this: BR14

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Staller, Allan
Nope, The actual code is: SR15,15 BRR14 Bill Wilkie wrote: snip In case anyone lost it, assemble this: BR14 Just hive it a name. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes Nope, The actual code is: SR

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Rob Scott
] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: 24 April 2007 09:15 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:14

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Staller, Allan
Yup!!! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Scott Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes Haven't you two guys just re-created

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Clem Clarke
Oops. I think you forgot the SR 15,15 I seem to remember we apared it at Shell, Melbourne, some centuries ago!!! Clem PS: Others probably did the same. Bill Wilkie wrote: In case anyone lost it, assemble this: BR14 Just hive it a name. Bill

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 4/24/2007 8:14:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SR 15,15 BRR14 Plus the eyecatcher and the CNOP for alignment. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Staller, Allan
Nope. Those are not there!! snip In a message dated 4/24/2007 8:14:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SR 15,15 BRR14 Plus the eyecatcher and the CNOP for alignment. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Steve Samson
My recollection is different. SVC 99 (Dynamic Allocation) was a necessary element of the TSO infrastructure. When TSO went GA, SVC 99 had to be there. TSO was available when I moved from New York to Poughkeepsie in 1972. Steve Samson Staller, Allan wrote: snip [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clem

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
BR14 Actually, IBM supplied a PTF (which doubled the programme size): SR 15,15 BR 14 The reason being bad (non-zero) return codes. (I really don't know if this is appocryphal, or not). - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip In PCP, MFT and MVT, SVC 99 didn't even exist! Nor TSO. --unsnip-- Strange. ISTR using TSO under Release 18.6 of MVT. Communications were via TCAM. -snip I

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Rick Fochtman
Subject: Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes Nope, The actual code is: SR15,15 BRR14 Bill Wilkie wrote: snip In case anyone lost it, assemble this: BR14 Just hive it a name. /snip But it is a nice way to get a somewhat indeterminate return code. -- John

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Rob Scott said: Subject: Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes Haven't you two guys just re-created the apocryphal IEFBR14 APAR ? I find the word apocryphal well-chosen insofar as the many times I've heard this story I can't recall the APAR's being

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Bob Halpern
I'd die - application crashes BR14 Actually, IBM supplied a PTF (which doubled the programme size): SR 15,15 BR 14 The reason being bad (non-zero) return codes. (I really don't know if this is appocryphal, or not). - Too busy driving to stop for gas

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Edward Jaffe
Ed Finnell wrote: Plus the eyecatcher and the CNOP for alignment. TCB#7 RB#1 - z/XDC TPUT INTERFACE XDC === _ _00F09000 0s (A.S.userid) --- IEFBR14+0, @R15+0, PLPA+1C _+0 @R15 EQU * _+0

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 4/24/2007 12:25:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Plus the eyecatcher and the CNOP for alignment. Yeah, it went away. Don't know when(used to be corporate standard). We had to put in the CNOP for XA 1.3. Don't know if it was the OEM disks

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Kirk Talman
Was SVC 99 the other name for the DAIR (dynamic allocation interface routine(s?)) or did it replace them? I vaguely remember using DAIR decades ago. Listings trashed/lost two moves ago. In S229-3169-3 (1971Jul no release) SVC32 shows parm of R1--UCB list but no mention of DSN, disp, etc.

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Ed Finnell said: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:34:19 EDT Been so long, don't remember only that it wasn't fullword aligned as we got it. CNOP 0,4 made everything happy. As has been pointed out, relinking might have been all it needed. Also had more fun on the OEM dasd

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/24/2007 at 07:56 AM, Steve Samson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: My recollection is different. SVC 99 (Dynamic Allocation) was a necessary element of the TSO infrastructure. Correct; if you generated OS/360 with the TSO option you got DAIR, which uses SVC 99. Note that

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/24/2007 at 11:45 AM, Clem Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: In PCP, MFT and MVT, SVC 99 didn't even exist! Nor TSO. Try again; DAIR uses SVC 99. You generate OS/360 with TSO, you get SVC 99. The interface to it is different from what you're used to. I guess one

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/16/2007 at 09:22 AM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On the z/OS side, consider that OPEN has (yet, after 4 decades) no way to report an error to the caller other than just crashing. That's wrong; read up on the DCB exit list in general and on the ABEND exit

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/17/2007 at 11:17 AM, Craddock, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: IEFBR14 is a front-end to allocation Wow! Who knew? Snopes. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-23 Thread Clem Clarke
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/16/2007 at 05:45 PM, Kirk Talman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: As IEFBR14 is a frontend to SVC 99 (allocation), It isn't. It does what the name suggests, with a zero return code, and that's all it does. In PCP, MFT and

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-23 Thread Gerhard Adam
In PCP, MFT and MVT, SVC 99 didn't even exist! Nor TSO. I guess one could say, in a round about sort of way, that IEFBR14 was the front end to invoking the DASD allocation, scratch and catalog SVCs? I'm sorry, but you still can't say it no matter how round_about your explanation. IEFBR14

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-23 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.foklore.comupters as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clem Clarke) writes: In PCP, MFT and MVT, SVC 99 didn't even exist! Nor TSO. just for laughs here is the (Hercules) build install procedure for

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-18 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Arthur T. On 17 Apr 2007 09:34:17 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Jeffrey D. Smith) wrote: They all wanted to know whether IBM would continue to support IEFBR14 under the new MVS/XA. At my old company,

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-17 Thread Jeffrey D. Smith
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craddock, Chris Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 9:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes As IEFBR14 is a frontend to SVC 99

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-17 Thread John Eells
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As IEFBR14 is a frontend to SVC 99 (allocation), SVC 13 (abend) is the frontend to RTM. snip I think the Allocation team would be quite surprised to learn that IEFBR14 is a front-end to their component (smile). DD statements, on the other hand... -- John Eells z/OS

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-17 Thread Arthur T.
On 17 Apr 2007 09:34:17 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeffrey D. Smith) wrote: They all wanted to know whether IBM would continue to support IEFBR14 under the new MVS/XA. At my old company, I was required to open a PMR to ask IBM if

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes are features, not bugs!

2007-04-16 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Instead, the application crashes reported as flaws are actually by design. There's no such thing as bad publicity, as long as you spell my name correctly! Good press, bad press; it doesn't matter,

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes are features, not bugs!

2007-04-16 Thread Dave Salt
Instead, the application crashes reported as flaws are actually by design. I just installed Microsofts new security system for home owners. If anyone tries to break in, the house bursts into flames. :-) Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - The easiest, most powerful way to surf a mainframe!

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes are features, not bugs!

2007-04-16 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:38:26 +, Dave Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead, the application crashes reported as flaws are actually by design. I just installed Microsofts new security system for home owners. If anyone tries to break in, the house bursts into flames. :-) Maybe they've

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes are features, not bugs!

2007-04-16 Thread Clark Morris
On 16 Apr 2007 05:38:40 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Instead, the application crashes reported as flaws are actually by design. I just installed Microsofts new security system for home owners. If anyone tries to break in, the house bursts into flames. :-) Before all of carry

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes are features, not bugs!

2007-04-16 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes are features, not bugs! snip Before all

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-16 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, McKown, John said: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:58:48 -0500 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Before all of carry on in our smugness, I have seen a number of applications with

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-16 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin In a recent note, McKown, John said: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:58:48 -0500 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Clark Morris Before all of carry

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-16 Thread Ted MacNEIL
On the z/OS side, consider that OPEN has (yet, after 4 decades) no way to report an error to the caller other than just crashing. And, what would an application after a failed open, that didn't abend? - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-16 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL On the z/OS side, consider that OPEN has (yet, after 4 decades) no way to report an error to the caller other than just crashing. And, what would an application after a failed open, that didn't

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-16 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 10:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes On the z/OS side, consider that OPEN has

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-16 Thread Van Dalsen, Herbie
OPEN failed for file name[, RC=xx, RSN=yy]. 0 records processed. Imagine standing at an auto teller / Auto Bank, and you receive the message... 0 records processed, after it just took a deposit of $1000,00. and swallow your card at the same time... Not a happy customer... Herbie

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes are features, not bugs!

2007-04-16 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Ted MacNEIL said: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:32:42 + On the z/OS side, consider that OPEN has (yet, after 4 decades) no way to report an error to the caller other than just crashing. And, what would an application after a failed open, that didn't abend?

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-16 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Van Dalsen, Herbie OPEN failed for file name[, RC=xx, RSN=yy]. 0 records processed. Imagine standing at an auto teller / Auto Bank, and you receive the message... 0 records processed, after it just took a

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-16 Thread David Andrews
On Mon, 2007-04-16 at 09:22 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On the z/OS side, consider that OPEN has (yet, after 4 decades) no way to report an error to the caller other than just crashing. Oh, I don't know. Think of ABEND/ESTAE as a sort of crippled throw/catch (crippled in the sense that catch

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-16 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 10:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes In a recent note, McKown, John said: Date: Mon

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

2007-04-16 Thread Kirk Talman
As IEFBR14 is a frontend to SVC 99 (allocation), SVC 13 (abend) is the frontend to RTM. It's a way to stop things in their tracks when fubar is detected. In an online program (either cics or vtam) it is a good way to begin to attempt recovery when storage corruption or resource usage out of

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes are features, not bugs!

2007-04-15 Thread Robert Justice
- Original Message - From: McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes are features, not bugs! http://www.computerworld.com/action

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes are features, not bugs!

2007-04-15 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Justice Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes are features, not bugs

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes are features, not bugs!

2007-04-15 Thread Frank I Rosenzweig
I'd die - application crashes are features, not bugs! - Original Message - From: McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes are features, not bugs!

2007-04-13 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Instead, the application crashes reported as flaws are actually by design. There's no such thing as bad publicity, as long as you spell my name correctly! (8-{} - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: Laugh, laugh. I thought I'd die - application crashes are features, not b...

2007-04-13 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 4/13/2007 3:55:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the application crashes reported as flaws are actually by design. Working as coded! ROTFLMAO. Bill Fairchild Plainfield, IL The correct use of language must begin at the very top of