These days it's Port City Java and Bawls soda for me.
Jon
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Long ago and far away, I was at a conference/meeting that had been selected to
be beta-test for Jolt.
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Real Programmers don't eat quiche. They like Twinkies, Coke and
palate-scorching Szechwan food.
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That metallic taste was your bridgework melting down and if you leaned
back in that fancy chair that you
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/15/2007
at 02:55 PM, Gerhard Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
A friend recently stated that the human brain is only capable of
learning one and a half operating systems'. Perhaps that's true.
Can I interest you in a bridge? Or are some of use superhuman?
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(o) Listen to the 1403 Printer Orchestra play your favourites,
including Raindrops Keep Fallin' on My Head, Born Free, Blue
Danube Waltz, and Granma Got Run Over By A Reindeer - With an
animatronic Admiral
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03/16/2007
at 10:40 AM, Craddock, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I think I must be using more than 5% because my brain keeps making
room for new stuff by forgetting old stuff!!!
What's your secret? There's some of the old stuff that I'd *like* to
forget, but it stays
.)
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/16/2007
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(o) Listen to the 1403 Printer Orchestra play your favourites,
including Raindrops Keep Fallin' on My Head, Born Free
Doc Farmer wrote:
(o) See how ancient SysProgs survived in the days before Starbucks and
Dunkin Donuts!
I think the term is yuppi foo-foo drinks
and from old post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001e.html#31 High Level Language Systems was Re:
computer books/authors
Real Programmers Don't Eat
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Doc Farmer wrote:
(o) See how ancient SysProgs survived in the days before Starbucks and
Dunkin Donuts!
I think the term is yuppi foo-foo drinks
and from old post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001e.html#31 High Level Language Systems was
Re: computer books
MVS Experience
When will this be a ride at Disneyland?
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MVS Experience
When will this be a ride
Think of where the *IX systems are now. That's where MVS was 20+ years
ago. Too many really sharp Systems Programmers dug into the source code
and made what they thought were useful modifications. They worked great
until there was an upgrade to that section of code.
Since OCO the OS has been much
Farmer
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those with deep MVS experience helps
us, the empoyer, and and the younger, less experienced newcomers.
(Yup. I'm a dreamer.)
Or did I completely miss the point you were trying to make?
Pat O'Keefe
Sorry. I was at the end of my rant, it was late, and I wanted to sum up.
That phrase was sticking
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What I meant was hiring us MVS veterans is a Win-Win
situation
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A friend recently stated that the human brain is only capable of
learning
one and a half operating systems'. Perhaps that's true.
You mean I don't have a human brain? Eeek!
:-)
Well, if you have moved to the dark side.I guess it could certainly
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 06:28:17 -0500, Doc Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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MVS Experience
When will this be a ride at Disneyland?
No sure, but it WILL no doubt be an E-ticket ride, and I don't mean
Electronic!!
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A friend recently stated that the human brain is only capable of
learning
one and a half operating systems'. Perhaps that's true.
You mean I don't have a human brain? Eeek!
Well, if you have moved to the dark side.I guess it could
certainly
be an EXPANDED human brain, just
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:02:36 -0400, Rob Scott
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I can just see it now.
Enjoy this marvelous ride visiting the MVS discovery zone! (Note :
Minimum age requirement 50)
(o) Listen with rapt awe as old sysprogs regale you with with model
numbers of obsolete devices and
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:14:49 -0500, McKown, John
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, Chris
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A friend recently stated that the human brain is only capable of
learning
one and a half operating systems'. Perhaps that's true.
You mean I don't have a human brain? Eeek
On Mar 16, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Mark H. Young wrote:
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Well, if you have moved to the dark side.I guess it could
certainly
be an EXPANDED human brain, just utilizing lots more than 5 or 10
percent
computing capacity, ay?!
TTFN,
Mark
Unless he ran
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:14:49 -0500, McKown, John
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...
A zero sum game is one in which you neither win nor lose. You come out
no worse or better than you were before. A negative sum game is one in
which you lose. You come out worse off than you were before.
...
Not quite
stuff.
Also, I have to point out that MVS experience is almost always HARD
WON experience. So (being hard won), it is beloved by the experiencer
and it is close to the heart. We do not want to let it go. This is
(really) another one of my main points. The newer guys did not go
through
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[ snip ]
The second part of your interview is to figure out what type
of company you are interviewing with.
That should probably be in pre-interview preparation
-jc-
Sam Golob said:
We don't seem to have too many bright kids here, who
are willing to try anything and learn about the nitty gritty innards of
the MVS system.
Cue the zNextGen crew from SHARE in 3, 2, 1, . . .
IBM and SHARE and a very bright, motivated and enthusiastic crew of
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/14/2007
at 03:48 PM, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I too agree with you Rick. I have seen so called IT Professionals
stuck in a time warp.
So have I. Some of them were young. In fact, I was moved to coin the
phrase young fogies for IT employees who were
I guess what I didn't mention (my forgetful self), is that the MVS core
knowledge that us more experienced and older types have, (I hate that term:
old farts.let's just say seasoned MVS veterans), has a lot to do
with our training and how we acquired that knowledge of MVS. Most of ya’ll
On Mar 15, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Chase, John wrote:
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[ snip ]
The second part of your interview is to figure out what type
of company you are interviewing with.
That should probably be in pre-interview
Sam Golob wrote:
[...]
Also, I have to point out that MVS experience is almost always HARD
WON experience. So (being hard won), it is beloved by the experiencer
and it is close to the heart. We do not want to let it go. This is
(really) another one of my main points
in the
future.
All I meant to say, was that YOU HAVE TO RESPECT
THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE GUY WHO WAS THERE EARLIER (not necessarily from the
VERY beginning).
Are we also prepared to acknowledge this experience in those that started with
PC's, UNIX, etc.?
There are many with MVS experience that seem
A friend recently stated that the human brain is only capable of
learning
one and a half operating systems'. Perhaps that's true.
You mean I don't have a human brain? Eeek!
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Chris,
Like that was ever in doubt?
gdr
Wayne
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A friend recently stated
Sam,
With all the respect - I dare to disagree. Totally disagree.
While knowledge of MVS core is very valuable, it doesn't necessarily
mean the person who knows it had to work with OS/360, had been witness
of virtual storage introduction, etc. The most clever folks I met are
simply to young to
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With all the respect - I dare to disagree. Totally disagree.
While knowledge of MVS core is very valuable, it doesn't necessarily
mean the person who knows it had to work with OS/360, had been witness
of virtual storage introduction, etc. The most
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:47:48 -0500, Rick Fochtman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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With all the respect - I dare to disagree. Totally disagree.
While knowledge of MVS core is very valuable, it doesn't necessarily
mean the person who knows it had to work
Lot's of snippage, but Mark strikes a point that is a major gripe with me...
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On Mar 14, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Rick Fochtman wrote:
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Bosh Sam and Radislav make some excellent points here; I tend to
split the difference. Some of those new add-ons are highly
Hi Folks,
Many of us have, over the years, encountered corporate managers who
do not understand the nature of how MVS experience is acquired. And
therefore, these people cannot (really) tell the difference between an
experienced and an inexperienced MVS person. This often shows, when
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