Having recently used a dataset mover we had a few tasks crash, so it was
not transparent. Which caused an unscheduled outage.
Your results may vary.
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:31:51 -0500, Mark Zelden
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Moving the DSNs with DSS/FDR should be easy enough. You shouldn't need
SMS, but hard to image that kind of volume and not SMS. You can tell DSS
to move to a pool of DASD, you specify the VOLSERs and the amount of space
to use. But your scenario seem more like a logical move, and recatalog, of
Yes, they do, but we don't have them. We do have TDMF, though.
Jon
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Innovation Software ( FDR ) has some slick products to do this.
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No, actually I'm looking to move one 3390-3 to one 3390-9. These
particular volumes are pretty much full and it's starting to cause us
application problems. The application in question has its own means of
parceling out which data sets go where. I would much prefer to move
these things a volume
I have used the FDR product. You can get a three month contract with them
to use FDRPAS. The cost is not too high and you can move files while they
are being used.
Pat Mihalec
Rush University Medical Center
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Pat Mihalec wrote:
I have used the FDR product. You can get a three month contract with them
to use FDRPAS. The cost is not too high and you can move files while they
are being used.
If you're moving from say 99 mod-3s to 99 mod 9s, then this software
does what you want. But, what if
: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:06 PM
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Pat Mihalec wrote:
I have used the FDR product. You can get a three month contract with
them
to use FDRPAS. The cost is not too high and you can move files while
they
are being used.
If you're
I know we moved some data from a 3390-3 to a 3390-9 without problems. It
was quick, easy and painless.
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Thanks, John. That's just the ticket.
Jon
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You can move a mod3 to a mod9
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Jon,
I believe there are some restrictions on the use of TDMF's
ICKDSF option. Volumes with OS catalogs for instance. I
highly recommend refering to the Installation and Reference manual.
Um,
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:05:45 -0700, Edward Jaffe
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Pat Mihalec wrote:
I have used the FDR product. You can get a three month contract with them
to use FDRPAS. The cost is not too high and you can move files while they
are being used.
If you're moving from say 99 mod-3s
Mark Zelden wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:05:45 -0700, Edward Jaffe
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If you're moving from say 99 mod-3s to 99 mod 9s, then this software
does what you want. But, what if you're moving from 99 mod-3s to 33 mod-9s?
Ahhh... then you need FDRMOVE (FDRPAS the
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If you're moving from say 99 mod-3s
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LDMF - now known as zDMF(IBM purchased it), is a transparent dataset
level move tool.
They're only transparent
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Jon,
I believe
Jousma, David wrote:
LDMF - now known as zDMF(IBM purchased it), is a transparent dataset
level move tool.
It moves data sets while applications have them OPEN?
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Tom,
Not true. zDMF moves allocated/in use datasets transparently, just like
TDMF moves entire volumes with datasets allocated on it transparently.
Kinda scary actually.
_
Dave Jousma
Assistant Vice
Using FDRPAS I found all movement, except for specific system dataset,
which was only one or two, that I could not move while the system was up.
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This was not true with FDRPAS. I was able move even files for a CICS
region without taking the region down.
Apples
Jousma, David wrote:
Should have added that we have the product here, and it works well.
Here is the link for info for non-believers...
http://www-935.ibm.com/services/us/index.wss/offering/its/a1029927
Pretty slick! I was aware of the FDRPAS approach, which leverages the
operating
It moves data sets while applications have them OPEN?
Yes and No is my understanding.It moves the data so I/O is directed to
the new location, but the move isn't committed until the ENQ is released.
FDRMOVE, which we've used, works the same way. From the LDMF manual...
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Should have added that we have the product here
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It moves data sets while applications have them OPEN?
Yes and No is my understanding.It moves the data so I/O
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Should have added that we have the product here, and it works well.
Here is the link for info
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Tom,
I think we are arguing semantics here. The dataset is moved once LDMF
completes, and new allocations
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Tom,
I think we are arguing semantics here. The dataset is moved once LDMF
completes, and new allocations of the moved datasets go to the new
volume, and those tasks that had it allocated still get it at the old
location
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You say tomayto, I say tomahto... I was actually comparing the transparency
of zDMF and FDRMOVE to FDRPAS and TDMF, which is completely transparent,
even for ENQ'd datasets. Neither FDRMOVE nor zDMF provide the transparency
This was not true with FDRPAS. I was able move even files for a CICS region
without taking the region down.
When I last used FDRPAS (6-7 years ago), we could move everything except page
datasets.
I think even that is resolved, now.
But, don't take my word for it -- check the manual.
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Too busy
I potentially have a need to move -- preferably on the fly -- some
volumes from 3390 model 3 to 3390 model 9 devices. I can use the
wonderful TDMF to move like-to-like volumes, and it seems to me that I
figured out a way to move mod-3s to mod-9s. Unfortunately, I can't
remember what I did, and I
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I potentially have a need to move -- preferably on the fly -- some
volumes from
I stated my question poorly. I know that I would user the REFVTOC
command to refresh the VTOC. What I don't remember is whether that is
what I used to accomplish this when I did it before. I'm not even
completely sure I did it successfully.
Thanks,
Jon
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ICKDSF's REFVTOC command?
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Jon,
I potentially have a need to move -- preferably on the fly -- some
volumes from 3390 model 3 to 3390 model 9 devices. I can use the
wonderful TDMF to move like-to-like volumes, and it seems to me that I
figured out a way to move mod-3s to mod-9s. Unfortunately, I can't
remember what
Thanks, John. That's just the ticket.
Jon
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You can move a mod3 to a mod9 but not three mod3 to one mod9. You need
to
specify ICKDSF on your options statement if you do not have AUTOMATIC
ICKDSF=YES. TDMF will invoke ickdsf to refresh the vtoc to show the
increased capacity on the
We will be going through this same process. 3 M3 to 1 M9. We are looking at
using FDR PAS to do this for us. I am not sure of any other utility that can
do it.
If the M9 is in a pool, you could just copy the datasets to the new volume with
DFDSS.
Did you vary the device offline/online and
You're welcome.
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get moved.
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I had considered that, but there are tons of data sets on these volumes,
some of which rarely get reorged.
The volumes aren't SMS-managed, so I can't use the pool method that
Lizette mentioned, either.
Jon
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I have another possibility that I have used when moving to new dasd.
Just
Unless they are your system volumes, Step 1. Implement SMS (at least for
the new volumes)
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