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on 07/23/2010
at 11:35 AM, Don Williams donb...@gmail.com said:
PCP - MFT - MVT - MVS... IBM sales was changing the name even when
it was free
Those weren't name changes; PCP, MFT and MVT were
In snt113-w2ee4931f166abc115310bc6...@phx.gbl, on 07/22/2010
at 03:53 PM, john gilmore john_w_gilm...@msn.com said:
Why not PROP instead?
Tradition, and there's more than one.
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In
!!aaayaih+nruo4exaufaxntnnphscxbiaepsobmmnbc5iokofrquva9yba...@gmail.com,
on 07/23/2010
at 12:00 PM, Don Williams donb...@gmail.com said:
Not in 1988.
MVS/XA was available well before 1988.
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07/23/2010
at 05:57 PM, - Tibish Mathew tibish.mat...@wipro.com said:
Can someone please get my email-ID out of this mailing list ?
Yes.
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on 07/23/2010
at 03:48 PM, Kelman, Tom thomas.kel...@commercebank.com said:
I believe that the KICKS you're talking about is designed to run on
Hercules an MVS/zOS emulator
No, Hercules is not an MVS/zOS emulator; it is a
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The see-eye-see-ess vs. kicks pronunciation wars
I have also heard it called sissy.
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On 23 July
, is Kaliningrad, and the
German name means King's Mountain.
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Another way to pronounce the acronym as a single word
Bill Fairchild pisze:
Bob,
You left out the other in syllable in Kaliningrad. The easiest way to
remember how to spell it correctly is to use either of the two words for it in the native languages
of people that have ruled it - Калининград or Königsberg. :-)
The Russian name, when
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Bill Fairchild pisze:
Bob,
You left out the other in syllable in Kaliningrad. The easiest way
to remember how to spell it correctly is to use either of the two words
for it in the native languages of people that have
On Monday 26 July 2010 11:28, Peter Nuttall wrote:
My German might be a bit rusty, but isn't Burg - Castle and Berg -
Mountain ?
Ganz richtig.
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On Monday 26 July 2010 10:17, Bill Fairchild wrote:
Bob,
You left out the other in syllable in Kaliningrad.
Finger check in the banana problem algorithm.
I probably should have just written Königsberg.
Cheers,
Bob
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On Monday 26 July 2010 11:23, R.S. wrote:
Bill Fairchild pisze:
The Russian name, when transliterated into English, is Kaliningrad,
and the German name means King's Mountain.
Just to complement this off-topic thread:
OT, yes, but entertaining.
Kaliningrad can be
translated as City
W dniu 2010-07-24 07:15, Ted MacNEIL pisze:
Last kicks conference I went to, the Brits all said zed-oh-ess.
Canadians do for the most part, too.
In Poland we say KICKS and zed-oh-ess.
I think in Europe people use KICKS.
BTW: KICKS in polish is jargon name for futball shot that horribly
On 07/23/2010 10:07 PM, Bob Woodside wrote:
On Friday 23 July 2010 11:52, zMan wrote:
It's always appeared to me to be:
Americans: see-eye-see-ess
Others: kicks
I think you might occasionally hear cheeks in Italy. :-)
Among Americans, I think it depends on how much contact the staff of
On Saturday 24 July 2010 09:40, R.S. wrote:
BTW: KICKS in polish is jargon name for futball shot that horribly
misses the target (or squint).
Well, I have heard a couple of criticisms of CICS that weren't too far
removed. Not from me, mind you.
BTW2: We have no problem to pronounce
snip---
But it's still a Green Card isn't it?
--unsnip---
:-) Hasn't been green in over thirty years! :-)
Latest version is white and it's a 70-page booklet. Sorry to
disappoint
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snip---
But it's still a Green Card isn't it?
--unsnip---
:-) Hasn't been green in over thirty years
peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com (Hunkeler Peter , KIUP 4) writes:
Isn't IBM nice? Being white when delivered, everybody can paint it the
way he/she likes it most..
i've done a qd conversion of the old (internal) greencard ios3270 file
to html.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/gcard.html
i've
Hi,
Can someone please get my email-ID out of this mailing list ?
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Hi,
Can someone please get my email-ID out
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But it's still a Green Card isn't it?
--unsnip-
:-) Hasn't been green in over thirty years! :-)
Mine's still green.
It's was already referred to as POPS when I started in 1968.
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But it's still a Green Card isn't it?
SNIPPAGE
Aren't Green Cards
Engelbrecht
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john gilmore wrote:
Why not PROP instead?
You are a good PROPonent to PROPerly PROPose a good name change! ;-D
but one standard term that was accurate and innocuous
,
runs like CICS, I'm going to call it kicks.
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Thanks CICS and DB2
MacNEIL
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Thanks CICS and DB2 are still the same... ;-D
CICS used to be CICS, now it's TS.
DB2 is UDB!
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Thanks CICS and DB2 are still the same... ;-D
CICS used to be CICS, now it's TS.
DB2 is UDB!
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Not in 1988.
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Ted MacNEIL wrote:
I even drew up a comic
Since before my hair was grey.
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Thanks CICS and DB2 are still the same... ;-D
CICS used to be CICS, now it's TS.
DB2 is UDB!
-
I'm
donb...@gmail.com (Don Williams) writes:
PCP - MFT - MVT - MVS... IBM sales was changing the name even when it was
pcp, mft/mft-ii, mvt were all sysgen options for os/360 (as opposed to
dos/360)
for 370 virtual memory there was DOS-DOS/VS; MFT-OS/VS1 and
MVT-OS/VS2 (and cp67-vm37).
initial
On 23 Jul 2010 08:52:54 -0700, zedgarhoo...@gmail.com (zMan) wrote:
It's always appeared to me to be:
Americans: see-eye-see-ess
Others: kicks
My brother said kicks. I don't know where he got that, he lived in
California. Wherever I've worked it was see-eye-see-ess, including
trips to
On 23 Jul 2010 08:25:57 -0700, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson,
Steve) wrote:
SNIPPAGE
Aren't Green Cards purple now?
zShields up
Green blackberries are red.
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On 23 Jul 2010 08:52:54 -0700, zedgarhoo...@gmail.com (zMan) wrote:
It's always appeared to me to be:
Americans: see-eye-see-ess
Others: kicks
My brother said kicks. I don't know where he got that, he lived in
California
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On 23 Jul 2010 08:52:54 -0700, zedgarhoo...@gmail.com (zMan) wrote:
It's
Agreed.
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 12:42 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually I do know folks who say zohss. It grates on me.
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On 23 Jul 2010 08:52:54 -0700, zedgarhoo...@gmail.com (zMan) wrote:
It's always appeared to me to be:
Americans: see-eye-see-ess
Others: kicks
My brother said kicks. I don't know where he got
Don Williams wrote:
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Ted MacNEIL wrote:
I even drew up a comic, in 1988 -- the dialogue was something like:
Six to swap in, Mr Scott.
Start I/O!
houldn't that have been
Now there is another twist to that - someone is writing a CICS clone for
MVS3.8 and has named it KICKS :) It's already running some simple CICS
COBOL applications.
Mohammad
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:50:46 -0400, Don Williams donb...@gmail.com
wrote:
Early in my career, I started pronouncing
On 23 July 2010 13:33, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote:
It's interesting. Everyone seems to say rack-eff and vee-tam and vee-sam but
no one says zoss.
I sometimes say zoss, but only when talking to a mixed group of
Americans and rest of the world people, where either standard
Last kicks conference I went to, the Brits all said zed-oh-ess.
Greg
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I sometimes say zoss, but only when talking
I always say zoss, and I used to say eeesa for ESA.
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Charles, that's interesting. I worked in shops in the Southeast,
specifically Atlanta, for almost 30 years and there is was always kicks.
It's when I moved to the Midwest in 2005 that I got into a shop where
they said
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Now there is another twist to that - someone is writing
On 7/23/2010 4:48 PM, Kelman, Tom wrote:
I believe that the KICKS you're talking about is designed to run on
Hercules an MVS/zOS emulator that will run on Linux, various version of
UNIX, Windows, or Mac OS.
Hercules is a hardware emulator (S/370 to fairly current). The
OS is distinct. The
Early in my career, I started pronouncing CICS - kicks. Others sysprogs
tried correcting me: C-I-C-S. Then I went to a class and found that I was not
the only one pronouncing it - kicks. I polled my classmates and kicks won. I
felt good. So no matter what IBM renames it; if it looks like CICS,
You mean to say that MVS/XA hadn't taken over the world by then?
In 1988, I had just left an organisation that was still oon 1.3.4(ish).
It was one of the reasons I left.
The new (to me) organisation was on 2.1.7, about to go to 2.2.0.
Back then, you were supposed to jump from 2.2-something to
Last kicks conference I went to, the Brits all said zed-oh-ess.
We Canadians do, as well.
There is only one country that pronounces it zee.
And, I've heard many Americans call it zee-oss.
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Kimota!
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Kelman, Tom thomas.kel...@commercebank.com
wrote:
I believe that the KICKS you're talking about is designed to run on
Hercules an MVS/zOS emulator that will run on Linux, various version of
UNIX, Windows, or Mac OS.
On Friday 23 July 2010 11:52, zMan wrote:
It's always appeared to me to be:
Americans: see-eye-see-ess
Others: kicks
I think you might occasionally hear cheeks in Italy. :-)
Among Americans, I think it depends on how much contact the staff of a
particular shop have with European users of
On 23 July 2010 23:07, Bob Woodside ibm...@woodsway.com wrote:
the UK pronunciation.
I used to hear see-eye-see-ess in Houston ages ago. But
as others have pointed out, the phenomenon seems to defy
regionalization within the US.
There's also the not-yet-mentioned see-ah-see-ess... The
I say zoss...
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It seemed to me
Oh, they pronounced it correctly did they?
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Last kicks conference I went to, the Brits all said zed-oh-ess.
Canadians do for the most part, too.
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Why not PROP instead?
The publication is now and for long has been called just PRinciples of
OPeration.
PROP has the merits that 1) it contains no otiose [or misplaced] 's' and 2) it
is not reminiscent of nursery scatology in English.
Someone may well be able to think of a better
Why not PROP instead?
It has been called POPS at least since 1976, when I took my first assembler
course.
Why change a name everybody understands?
IBM has done that over the years and confused everybody.
Look at the recent posts regarding z, i, p, x, z (etc.) Series.
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Why change a name everybody understands?
I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation!
Kimota!
Indeed, but then, when all else fails, re-name, re-organize:
We trained hard, but it seemed every time we were beginning to form up into
teams, we would be reorganised. I was to learn later in
for such
purpose.
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Date:
07/22/2010 11:54 AM
Subject:
PROP instead of POPS, PoO, et al.
Why not PROP instead?
The publication is now and for long has been called just PRinciples of
OPeration.
PROP has the merits that 1
john gilmore wrote:
Why not PROP instead?
You are a good PROPonent to PROPerly PROPose a good name change! ;-D
but one standard term that was accurate and innocuous would certainly be
useful.
What standards? There are a lot of gripes on this very list about the big
blue's
products name
Thanks CICS and DB2 are still the same... ;-D
CICS used to be CICS, now it's TS.
DB2 is UDB!
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Ted MacNEIL wrote:
CICS used to be CICS, now it's TS.
DB2 is UDB!
Ok. Ok. Ok. I give up in this name change game! ;-D
Next time, you're going break my brain... ;-[
zPS: zI zliked zyour zpost zin zthe zthread 'zEnterprise' ;-Z
Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht
zI zliked zyour zpost zin zthe zthread 'zEnterprise'
As a Sci-Fi geek I've been making jokes about Enterprise in IBM product names
since ESA was announced.
I even drew up a comic, in 1988 -- the dialogue was something like:
Red alert! Red alert!
8 Terabyte core dump!
Can you fix it Bones?
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za (Elardus Engelbrecht) writes:
From ADSM to TSM
RACF to Security Server
MVS/XA - MVS/ESA - OS/390 - z/OS
etc... (can't remember now what ... )
ADSM goes back to CMSBACK I did in the late 70s ... was distributed
internally ... it was finally released as
W dniu 2010-07-22 20:56, Elardus Engelbrecht pisze:
john gilmore wrote:
Why not PROP instead?
You are a good PROPonent to PROPerly PROPose a good name change! ;-D
but one standard term that was accurate and innocuous would certainly be
useful.
What standards? There are a lot of gripes on
But it's still a Green Card isn't it?
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But it's still a Green Card isn't it?
--unsnip-
:-) Hasn't been green in over thirty years! :-)
Latest version is white and it's a 70-page booklet.
P
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But it's still a Green Card isn't
Ted MacNEIL wrote:
I even drew up a comic, in 1988 -- the dialogue was something like:
Six to swap in, Mr Scott.
Start I/O!
Shouldn't that have been Start Subchannel???
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On Friday 23 July 2010 01:18, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
Shouldn't that have been Start Subchannel???
This errant pedantry up with I shall not put!
s/errant/arrant/
But I think we could suspend this rule in the case of a knight
arrant. :-)
Cheers,
Bob
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