In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
11/21/2005
at 02:29 PM, Kirk Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
IMO, if you really like MVS (z/OS), you had better hope that lots of
people want to run Java on it in the future.
I'm an assembler programmer from way back, but there is still a lot of
code that, from choice, I
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 11/21/2005
at 01:26 PM, Edward E. Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Of course, you're right. I was trying to point out that he was
completely missing the 'L' in the word.
Only the first; he kept the second L ;-)
It's silly to argue over the actual anglicized spelling of
: Saturday, 19 November 2005 2:02 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Performance tools and JAVA
You know there's a deep systemic problem when you have to bookmark the
Java
archive page at sun.com. ;-)
'Schmozzle', if it were in my unabridged dictionary, would fall between
'schmooze
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Subject: Re: Performance tools and JAVA
I assume you're talking about a Windows PC's Java.
It's an issue, Java applet
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:25:15 -0700, Steve Comstock
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The problem is it needs a version of JAVA that is in conflict with the
JAVA we run. We have some older apps that need the version we run. The
slow dance has been around trying this and that to get it to work to no
Ron and Jenny Hawkins wrote:
I think Shane made a typo - he may have meant shemozzle. I always thought
this was an Australian colloquialism, but it appears that it is actually
Yiddish.
It is Yiddish: spelled and pronounced Schlemozzle.
--
Ed Jaffe writes:
It is Yiddish: spelled and pronounced Schlemozzle.
My goyishe understanding is that of the schlemiel-schlemozzle pair the
schlemozzle is the passive victim, the one on whom the active schlemiel
spills the soup.
It was so anyway when I was a graduate student; but that of
john gilmore wrote:
Ed Jaffe writes:
It is Yiddish: spelled and pronounced Schlemozzle.
My goyishe understanding is that of the schlemiel-schlemozzle pair the
schlemozzle is the passive victim, the one on whom the active
schlemiel spills the soup.
Exactly!. A schlemiel is the guy most
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 11/21/2005
at 09:06 AM, Edward E. Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
It is Yiddish: spelled and pronounced Schlemozzle.
Yiddish is written using Hebrew[1] letters; anything that you see
using the Roman alphabet is simply a transliteration and is
intrinsically nonstandard.
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 11/21/2005
at 08:46 PM, Ron and Jenny Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I think Shane made a typo - he may have meant shemozzle.
Neither one is a word in any language with which I am familiar. He
might have been confusing shlemiel with shliemazal and then lost an
Ell
Steve,
I somehow expected this to go better; you would swear devotion to Java
and denounce all-things assembler :-)
Of course, its always easy to make fun of write-once / run
everywhere. But the reality is that, in practical terms, you can
write code that runs everywhere, even though it is also
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 11/19/2005
at 03:15 AM, ibm-main [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Bloody schmozzle ...
Schmozzle? If you mean shliemazal, it just means a person with bad
luck. Perhaps you mean shlemiel?
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
ISO position; see
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
Yiddish is written using Hebrew[1] letters; anything that you see
using the Roman alphabet is simply a transliteration and is
intrinsically nonstandard. I believe that the word is a composit of a
German shlie meaning without and a Hebrew mazal meaning luck.
The mind boggles. I heard and used shemozzle for 40 years, but I've never
heard schmozzle. Must be a Queensland thing Shane!
according to wikipedia:
Shemozzle
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Shemozzle (also known as Schmozzle) is an Australian slang word with
Whoa ... what did I start.
Probably just lazy lingo mate - I spelt it phonetically; never claimed
accuracy.
And for the others who have (futilely) attempted to correct this slang,
there has *NEVER* been an l in any ocker pronunciation I've heard.
Shane ...
From: Ron and Jenny Hawkins
The mind
Duffy, Peter wrote:
Hi, all,
For the past year and a half I have been in a slow dance with a software
company to get their performance analysis tool running in my shop. The
mainframe version is great, I can read reports and page through long
listings, and if I know what to look for I can
I assume you're talking about a Windows PC's Java.
It's an issue, Java applet clashes. (Also sometimes happens with
Internet Explorer itself because it's at least very difficult to run two
IEs on the same system. Firefox doesn't seem to have that restriction.) I
know IBM solved it in Host
The problem is it needs a version of JAVA that is in conflict with the
JAVA we run. We have some older apps that need the version we run. The
slow dance has been around trying this and that to get it to work to no
avail.
We ran into a similar problem with one vendor's code that checked the
Java is a pox.
Two questions:
1) Does anyone have recommendations for a product like this one that is
really JAVA independent?
Better would be independent *of* Java.
2) How often are other sites running into this sort of incompatibility
for JAVA for their various business applications?
You know there's a deep systemic problem when you have to bookmark the Java
archive page at sun.com. ;-)
'Schmozzle', if it were in my unabridged dictionary, would fall between
'schmooze' and 'schmuck'. Somehow I don't feel the need for a precise
definition. ;-)))
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JO.Skip Robinson
Ha ha ha. I'm laughing because I think I know EXACTLY what product of which
you are speaking! We have the same problem. The applet wants somewhere
around Java 1.4.2, and we have an inhouse HR application which is seriously
back level and requires it's own 1.3.0-or-so JRE. You choose to break
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